so let me get this straight, the Obama advisor did NOT contact the Canadian consul, they sought him out, so there was no meeting. Then the memo that was released (I don't think you can call that a leak) is all rhetoric and no actual quotes.
So Obama tells the truth and gets skewered for it. This initial story was front page breakign news, this factual follow-up that completely debunks the original story is buried. Yeah, poor Hillary, the press is a pickin' on her.

I guess it is better than the complete non-reporting of the Obama WIN in Texas, I mean when the delegates are counted he's ahead by 6.

Louis get's it about right.

When people talk about Hillary's experience, it is this type of stunt they are referring to...i.e., political experience. She's good at the Dark Arts, but that's about it as far as her experience goes.

Blame Canada! We can tell where Obama's base is from this report. It's people that watch South Park.

Hey louis. You mean the texas vote where hillary won by 100,000 votes, all to play the stupid 'caucus' game to VOTE TWICE?

Ever consider that there are NO CAUCUS' IN THE GENERAL ELECTION ? That fact alone crushes Obama. Ever consider that in 2004 88% of African Americans voted for Kerry, and it made NO DIFFERENCE. He lost every single african american state.

So what is it again that Obama is hoping to do in the general election again? Besides LOSE in a LANDSLIDE.

You can kiss California goodbye.

As a Canadian to any Americans reading this... I'm sorry.

I saw on the news here that Senator Clinton has made similar comments - Bill Clinton was in fact in Toronto a week ago for a fund raiser - but our government has kept those quiet.

You have to understand that we have our own right wing version of Bush in power here. Steven Harper would do anything to help keep the Republicans in power in the US. That means hurting Obama if he can.

Chris the Canadian apologizes on behalf of the Canadian government. That's good enough for me. Let's move on.

the CBC and Globe and Mail's investigations have exonerated Obama of the accusations today and even turned an eye on Clinton's involvement, and yet the US media have not reported a thing.

I am in Toronto and this story is HUGE here and may result in several high-up resignations - this was a direct attempt to smear and interfere by our pro-NAFTA Conservative Government

Media, do your job! for all this talk of an Obama bais from this Canadian's eyes there has certainly been o proof as such today, as Obama continues to suffer from articles such as this that are out of date with the FACTS!

Obama has created a major mess because he tried to pull of a "I smoked but didn't inhale" defense. He should have just admitted upfront his adviser met with the Canadians and he didn't know about it and that his advisor made a statement that was incorrect and unauthorized and then promptly apologized and fired the adviser. It would have been over in 24 hours. Instead Obama first denied that the meeting ever took place, then when caught in that lie admitted it had but said the Canadians got it wrong, which they didin't, and then finally just said his adviser wasn't authorized to do what he did. His attempt at cover-up has created an ongoing political scandal which hurt him in Ohio and hurts his credibility. When will politicians ever learn?

Actually, the Canadian Government apologized for the leaked memo, but NOT the contents of the memo itself. The memo itself still says exactly that Obama did wink, wink, nod, nod over the NAFTA issue with the Canadians.

wcm, because the attack wasn't against hillary, its ok to quickly move on?

bill clinton was IN Canada before the elections, this story comes out that Obama's campaign said something he didn't say, and we're not supposed to see this crap as a setup? this wasn't done intentionally, right?!?

Are you sure the clintons and karl rove aren't related? If not, it sure sounds like they're all sleeping together.

What a bunch of sleazy, dishonest, deceitful...and she wants to be president of this country. Maybe she should go to Canada and ask them to hire her as president.
What scum.

This is directly from today's Globe and Mail to confirm my point.

Days later, the leak of the internal Canadian diplomatic note revealed that Mr. Obama's adviser, Austan Goolsbee, spoke to Mr. Rioux on Feb. 8.

In a summary of the meeting written by Canadian diplomat Joseph de Mora, Mr. Goolsbee was described as indicating that Mr. Obama's NAFTA stand "should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans." Mr. Goolsbee denied using those terms.

LAGuy, Dogsoldier:
Read the article.
The memo was not a "transcript". Obama and his campaign actually did not know, or sanction what his advisor said. His advisor was wrong for not stepping up and admitting it, but that's a personal mistake of a staff person. How many of Clinton's staff have been caught red handed?
Also, did you note that the initial news circulating in the media didn't list the source of the Obama "leak"? Did you think it was accidental? I bet the guy didn't even know that it was his words that were being twisted. The initial news spoke about a campaign official meeting with the prime minister in Canada and doing the "wink wink".

Instead, it was Bill that did just that. The Canadian press will report it. We'll sit back and enjoy the spectacle.

dogsolider:

read the quote again. the memo was wrong. the wording was wrong. everybody who was present says it doesn't say the truth. how hard is it to make up a memo? the meeting took place, unknown to anybody in the campaign, but now that we know WHICH meeting we are talking about, we can flat out deny everything that is claimed to have been said.

"The memo itself still says exactly that Obama did wink, wink, nod, nod over the NAFTA issue with the Canadians."

which they now admit was a misunderstanding.

Bob I just triple checked with CTV and CBC and they back up the relevant blurb I posted. I grant you AT FIRST the rumor was it was the Clinton camp who were fingered but the memo itself turned out to be the Obama camp was the actual group with the meeting.

dogsoldier:
yes, the memo was about the meeting with obama's advisor, who was there in an unrelated role. but it mis-stated what was said.

where's the beef?

Just stating what's there, Bob. No offense intended. I guess folks will make of it what they will. To be honest with you I'm more concerned with give the republicans a two to nothing lead in FL and ML and the general hasn't even begun.

Should read MI.

Seems Obama is two-stepping again.

He made such a big Theathrical production Denoucning NAFTA

Letting the American people know, he was not for it, and against anyone who was.

Now is for it but wants to re-wrok it.

What a pathetic soul he is.

How many issues has he, done that on so far.

Mr Flip-Flop or is it Mr. Lie to the American people, and play games behind out back.

Up front and honest is something he does not know, but creates a facade for people to think he is.

again Dogsoldier you are incorrect.

the initial CTV report stated that Obama had contacted the embassy and Ambassador Wilson. The new reports indicate that it was Clinton who made those calls and Tom Clark of CTV misreported.

When it turned out Goolsbee had talked to the Consul, they revamped the story and dropped the mention of Wilson.

Wilson denied meeting Clinton OR Obama, however it is clear now that there was a deliberate attempt to misrepresent BOTH candidates by our pro NAFTA government. The point is the heart of this initial affair was centered around allegations against Clinton by Ian Brodie's leak, and Tom Clarks misreporting turned this from an unfair scandal against Clinton to an unfair scandal against Obama - it was only after this misreporting did this memo surface which has now been shown to not be actual quotes and simply Rioux's wording of the events - which witnesses and Goolsbee say are inaccurate.

Dont just check CTV and CBC, also refer to the Globe and Mail articles which have surfaced.

My only anger towards Clinton is that she basically called Obama a liar when it is clear that this could have been her burden, and is entirely possible her campaign actually did the wink wink themselves, depending on whom you believe.

Gion I'm talking about early rumors and not the memo itself. There were earlier rumors the Clinton camp contacted Canadians even before the memo came to light. Then CTV got into picture, Amb. Wilson got into picture and the rest you know. Like I said earlier I'm more concerned with the FL and MI situation.

Even though I dont get a vote, from my view up here I'm simply angry that the Clinton camp has attacked on things they may have done themselves and arent following the rules.

FL and MI deserve a voice however it should be do-overs or nothing - Obama followed the rules, there is no reason to reward Clinton for not doing so.

More disturbing is her continuous Rezko attacks when it is shown today that Rezkos co defendants are all Clinton financial backers and have historically always opposed Obama.

(in addition, the tax returns demand should be taken very seriously - when Hillary ran against Lazio she demanded he release his tax returns and he stalled and stalled. how convenient now that the shoe is on the other foot she stalls herself)

Wow over one million plus people voted for Hillary and here we have some saying Obama won Texas because he has 6 delegates, ok take your 6 delegates in the GE and go run against McCain and lets see the results.

Is'nt it strange when Hillary had more delegates Obama was all over the place saying that the delegates did not count it was the popular vote, and the delegates should not vote their conscience but rather go with what the people wanted, hence the reason for his camp bully some delegates to come on his side because he won the state.

Why is it now so different as Hillary won and is leading in the popular vote and with the registered democrat vote that here we have Obama camp saying its the delegates numbers that count.

So we are now no longer interested in who the registered democrats wants and voted for, under Obama's logic its the delegates, independents and crossover voters that should count even if they may of voted for him just to set the party up for a fall.

I am sure he knows this but he is so power drunk he rather lose this election rather than doing what is best for the party and the democrat voters.

Gion you have a right to be concerned. In the normal world smart governments or camps looking to govern talk with each other behind closed doors on a regular basis. It does appear that someone in your PM office broke an unwritten rule. I have no problem with Obama or Clinton talking with each other, matter of fact I encourage each to do so for the betterment of us all. BTW, my wife is Canadian and that's why I follow your politics up there.

It looks to me like: Obama camp had a meeting and hinted at rhetoric forthcoming which i believe, Obama was not told they did this which i also believe, CTV media (not the govt) provided the report, the source, and the evidence of their report, unknowing Obama continues to deny it and refuses to fire anyone, The Canadian govt panicked and released the memo and is embarrassed about the CTV media because of an accusation of interference, the govt tried to cover for Obama but its politicians read the news, now the govt is trying to apologize on behalf of the country... end result? there is still the fact of a meeting and the warning about rhetoric concerning NAFTA and the Obama camp is not holding its camp accountable... he should have fired him as soon as he the guy admitted to having the meeting and discussion about NAFTA... Obama is not the prez and his people who are not accountable to the American taxpayers have no place having discussions of any kind with foregin governments... they could have upset the balance of existing agreements and national security... Bush was right on that point... he should stick to his race against Hillary and stop interfering in government affairs

Obama is such as liar. The only thing I see him being able to effectively change is his stories - thankfully, half the people aren't buying them, only the followers are.

SJ, at no point in this entire contest has Hillary been ahead in pledged delegates - she has only led in superdelegates all along, and that lead gets slimmer and slimmer. Obama has won more blue states, has won more red states, has won more swing states, has redrawn the electoral map.

Mark Penn has justified superdelegates over and over again saying "its about delegates" - so I dont think you have the right to say Obama cant claim Texas a victory. His caucus win proves to me his organizational team is far superior. dedicated voters and GOTV teams to win in November are needed.

Dogsoldier:
I am kicking and screaming within our own media outlets to have Ian Brodie fired. Rioux may even be in trouble. I am probably most angry at CTV's Tom Clark, whose lazy incorrect reporting started this wave which hurts all Democrats, not just Obama. it is outrageous that our government would interfere in the US' democratic process. Say Obama wins the presidency, how does he work with Harper with something like this behind him?

Rob, lol. That's funny. Exactly DCVoter, the Canadian Government is scrambling to somehow make this thing disappear.

Hillary is just lucky that (if she did call the embassy), the embassy didn't take notes.

Dion - Obama's name was in the opening arguments of the Rezko trial. I am sure we will find out much more soon.

The TX delegates are unfairly apportioned because they are done by number of registered Dems. So a district with fewer registered Dems gets fewer delegates. This gave Obama and huge advantage because he won urban areas. However, the outpouring of voters strongly opposed to Obama still overcame that advantage in the primaries so Clinton's win in TX is much more significant than what delegate counts show. For the caucus delegates, the rampant improprieties are going to cause major problems and I dont think we will know the official delegates awarded for some time since this is now a legal matter. This is not being caused by Clinton... the voters recorded a lots of stuff with the vidcam's on their cell phones and blackberries. The voters are outraged and should be! Clinton and Obama both should be concerned and support the investigations. Obama not being supportive of that just proves he is a sly politician only interested in what he wants not what the voters want.

Who cares who leaked it. We Canadians would like to see NAFTA opened again too. This time we will make you pay more for our gas, water, food, wood, electricity, etc. Do you think you would fair better with a new agreement. Do you feel lucky?

Think about it.:-P

Goon I know it is not the PEOPLE of Canada who released the memo information. Guess I have to leave that where it is otherwise I'd be commenting ON Canadian political events beyond my control.

Even if Obama knew what his camp did would he come out and admit it? I don't think so he is a liar and will try his best to cover his tracks on this,

Maybe he told his church and Farakhen the same thing don't worry too much about what I say on the campaign trial its just political talk to fool the gullible.

has anyone seen the story by NBC's chuck Todd (first read) that they just posted ...they are saying that the Clinton Camp is actually now the one being reported to have started the NAFTA-gate"

and there are several witnesses to what Brodie said...that the initial calls came from Clinton

I guess it is in the toronto globe and mail.

DCVoter - I have seen the Hillary campaign complain over and over that many primaries and caucuses are open to non-democrats

the TX primary is open and the caucuses are closed, and Obama still blew them out. In fact in Dallas if you didnt know, the chair - a Hillary supporter, trying to steal the results and leave when Obama won in a blowout, taking 23 delagetes to 0

face it, selection processes in general are messed up. but in the end if i trust something more than another for what can win in November - i look to who is organized and who wins people win he campaigns - obama was behind over 20 points in TX just weeks ago and he closed the gap. His people were on the ground when the Clintons didnt even know about the caucus/primary breakdown. if you're gonna complain about the way delegates are proportioned, well hell, take a look at the electoral college while you're at it. Thats the math that counts, and again - currently Obama wins states Hillary can't and remains in play if not leading all the other Dem strongholds. I simply want a Dem to win in November, I can ignore who has the better plan because it doesnt affect me THAT much (I'm Canadian) - I just want a Dem to win and by the math and the evidence, its Obama. sorry!

dogsoldier - we dont need to defend ourselves :P - liberals would leave us alone, and Republicans dont want 10 new Democratic states! suckers!

I tease, but theres truth there.

MSNBC has picked up the CBC/Globe and Mail story, and Chuck Todd just covered it on MSNBC.

Hi ABC,

Given all of the attention that ABC and other media outlets have given the leaked Canadian memo, it is important that Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s chief of staff, Ian Brodie’s comments be broadcast. The following article from the Globe and Mail says that it was actually Senator Clinton’s campaign that contacted Canadian officials not to take her comments about NAFTA too seriously. Please be fair and make this story public and give it the same attention that the allegations of a cover up from Senator Obama’s campaign.l

NO Authority - he didnt, the Chicago Consul contacted Goolsbee who met unofficially from the Obama campaign while on his own business.

CBC on the othe rhand, alleges that Clinton called the embassy, which Clinton denies. Choose to believe it or not.

Gion - Obama did not win TX... and the caucus results are in question because of the number of improprieties

Mathematically - neither candidate will get the number of pledged delegates for the nom outright... the superdelegates will factor into the count no matter what because those are the rules

Currently, Obama has not won the necessary states in the primary needed to beat the Republicans in November. Clinton on the other hand has. The superdelegates will take that into consideration and so should the voters. Smart ones who want to beat the Reps will.

Sorry maybe my posting was a little slow on the draw...

Just trying to connect the dots... , honestly I am not stupid but this is getting complicated...

Brodie wrote a memo but the Clintons called them?...wolfson sent out like 15 memos pointing at Obama before the vote on Tuesday?...the memo doesn't match what witnesses say Brodie said?

Chuck Todd and the canadian press is saying that Clinton actually may have started NAFTAgate but what does that mean?

This sounds like a mess for somebody. I'm just having a tough time connecting all the dots... people made such a huge story of this and now...it might not have been true? ...or am I reading these news blurbs that are flying all over the place wrong?

OY.

Garth, more than anything I hope the US media can help pressure Ian Brodie to RESIGN for his interference!

One more time here it is:
“The news agency quoted that source as saying that Mr. Brodie said that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign called and was ‘telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt.’

“The story was followed by CTV's Washington bureau chief, Tom Clark, who reported that the Obama campaign, not the Clinton's, had reassured Canadian diplomats.

“Mr. Clark cited unnamed Canadian sources in his initial report. There was no explanation last night for why Mr. Brodie was said to have referred to the Clinton campaign but the news report was about the Obama campaign.”

what you miss dogsoldier, was that Tom Claks initial report said Obama called Ambassador Wilson, not the vague "Canadian diplomats"

it comes down to a matter of what you believe. Obama camp denied the initial story because it was not what happened, and feel they got a bum rap with what DID happened. Hillary denies altogether and for all we know memos with her will surface tomorrow...

they could both have pulled a wink wink, or they both could have been misrepresented by out government while pushing their agenda.

the fact that the government intervened at all, which they should be ruined for, leads me to believe the latter.

thanks...I think I have it.

I think the Florida Michigan thing is going to get fixed.

From the interviews with all parties involved...especially Florida since it was the republicans that really put them in that situation (all this just to get electronic voting to make sure their votes didn't get messed up).

They are saying 25 million ugh...perhaps in just Florida alone...wow lesson learned ...the funny thing is if those states had just left their primaries where they were they would have gotten the attention they wanted.

I say Democrats should band together if they don't and set up a site to raise money for the election if we have to. If the candidates themselves can do it...why can't the members of the party try and raise the money.

Just an idea.

As I said earlier, if Obama had just been a stand-up guy, admitted his adviser screwed up without his knowledge, and apologized and fired the adviser, this would all have been over long ago. Instead his initial denials followed by mischaracterizing what happened to final admittance has led to lengthy discussions and an ongoing scandal. Don't these two-stepping politicians ever learn from Bill Clinton's "I did not have sex with that woman" fiasco?

I'm with you DL. We can't give republican a complete free shot at FL and MI.

I think Obama was too slow LAGuy, however:

1) Obama apprently didnt know until the memo surfaced
2) Goolsbee denies that context

Either they were really bad at hiding something, or they were legitimately screwed and didn't see the smear coming.

Clinton may have very quickly denies this new report, but again - if the Canadian government was screwing the Dem candidates then who's to say there isnt a memo coming that hurts her as well?

Hey, Happy Canadian, I thought that would get your feathers up and couldn't understand why it took you so long. Health care and other issues are what this election is about. MY wife is Canadian so I do know about universal health Care. She has it, I don't. BTW, don't forget it was indeed us who kept the Soviets from your airspace and don't forget how 911 proved that an ocean meant nothing.

dogsoldier, I apologize for Happy Canadian - you have to understand though (as I'm sure you do) that we have heard enough earnest ignorant Canada bashing from Americans for some people to no longer be able to tell the difference between teasing and sincere hate.

Let's get real! Senator Obama is running his campaign soly on change. This is a good example of the change He will bring after all rhetoric is over.

The most important is he talks one way in the public, but make deals completely differently behind the door. What a hypocritic politician!!! The content of NAFTA-gate is not important. Wake up!

Gion no offense taken.

Looks to me that Obama got caught in a lie, and the Meeting did take place.. His lack of experience shows that he tried to cover-up that meeting, and the wink-an-nod on NAFTA, wont help him with people that work for a living.. There are allot of States left in this fight, and allot of people out of work.. They will show their feelings on this matter at the polls..

I'm dumbfounded why Obama 'talks one way in public and another behind the sceneese' on NAFTA bases on RUMORS about one of his advisors...

when Hillary openly praised NAFTA for over a decade only to switch her positions when she started running for president...

how is Obama's RUMOR based duplicity worse than Clintons bald faced turn?

AFP reports that US presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton's campaign, although chiding rival Barack Obama for telling US voters he is anti-NAFTA while saying otherwise to Canada, tried to reassure Canada too, local media said Thursday.

Gion - I watched the Canadian parliament outbursts in reaction to the initial article by CTV and the politicians were rightfully concerned about the impact to Canadians that this election can have on their economy. I think that is why the government got into the mix.

IN any case, I think neither camp should have discussed anything related to the campaigns with any foreign government... period.

Acting in official capacities unrelated to the campaigns is fine but that does not appear to be the case since it was campaign workers. In the past, whenever Clinton had a campaign worker do anything that was inappropriate, she held them accountable and fired them. if necessary. Obama doesnt seem to be an effective executive since her did not even after they lied to him. That is a major concern of voters and was reflected in the last round of voting.

ITS A SHAME THAT OBAMA FANS ARE JUST MAD BECAUSE OBAMA HAS A HIDDEN AGENDA IN HIS CLOSET. HE PREACHES WELL I ADMIT, BUT HIS EXPERIENCE IS NO COMPARISON TO THE LADY. POLITICS ARE JUST THE SAME AS IT WILL ALWAYS BE. TAKE THE LOSS AND JUZ STEP UP TO THE MIC. IT ALWAYS SEEMS THAT WHEN HILLARY GETS THE FIRST THE QUESTION, OBAMA FAVORITE LINE IS "I AGREE WITH HILLARY, AND EVERYTIME HE PUTS HIS FINGER UP, THEY STOP HERE, HAS THIS GOES ON, SHE WILL BE STEPPING UP HER GAME AS WELL.
NOW HOW WILL YOU ACT, WHEN THEY FIND OUT FOR SURE ABOUT REZKO AND OBAMA. OPRAH CANNOT SAME HIM.

I bet many Hillary supporters will feel buyers' remorse after this. Apparently, Hillary sent one of her advisers to Canada, while Obama's adviser was there on an unofficial visit. I think all of this is a sign of CANADA interfering in the U.S. government! Let's STOP Canadians from trying to control the U.S.
Go Obama!
THis whole thing was initiated by Hillary Rodham Clinton and her pro-NAFTA supporters in Canada. Ohioans, you got hoodwinked by Hillary. Go read the MSNBC article on it. The Clintons are good at deceiving people, just think about when Bill said he did not have sexual relations with Monica... yeah, right.

This firstread story is not new and here is the so called update:

"The Clinton campaign responds: "Unlike the Obama campaign, we can and do flatly deny this report and urge the Canadian government to reveal the name of anyone they think they heard from. The Obama campaign has given a variety of misleading answers to the press and the public about its top economic adviser’s contacts with the Canadian government and should come clean about why they did so," writes campaign spokesman Phil Singer."

The Clinton campaign has asked for the name of who they think they heard from and the Canadians have not provided it. Remember, anyone can make a phone call and pretend to be anyone else. But the meeting between Goulsbee and the Canadians was confirmed. Be careful believing reporters because they are not always reporting facts. In most cases they are reporting information fed to them by press releases and invalid sources.

Obama supporters, a person is allll yours.

"In the past, whenever Clinton had a campaign worker do anything that was inappropriate, she held them accountable and fired them."

and yet she did not reject and denounce Adelfa Callejo, her Texan supporter who said "the problem with Obama is that he is black"

She takes action against her supporters and aides when it is to her benefit. she never denounced Callejo because there was no pressure to. perhaps Obama didnt fire Goolsbee because maybe he was legitimately screwed?
if Clinton turns out to have been screwed with this new news item from the CBC by a Conservative leak misrepresenting her associate - does she fire the associate for being misrepresented?

Why should aides be held responsible for someone else lying about what they said?

"Remember, anyone can make a phone call and pretend to be anyone else."

Just as anyone can take Goolsbee's unofficial meeting with a Consul and change his words. Get the point?
The Goolsbee memo was not a transcript - it comes down to someones word vs another.

If you attack Obama for Goolsbee and forgive allegations against Hillary, you are essentially forfeiting a bias based on what you want to believe. if a name or memo comes out against Hillary, without a transcript or true proof the attack on her will also be unfair. Get the point?

The only thing to be angry about is that if Hillary turns out to have done this, people should be outraged that she'd dare attack Obama for what she herself has done.

She did reject and denounce Callejo's support. Callejo doesnt work for her.

Goulsbee admitted to the meeting after the memo surfaced. He admitted to lying to Obama. Obama should have fired him for not only lying but for interfering in foreign relations between the USA and Canada because he is not authorized to do that on behalf of the taxpayers. Obama is overstepping bounds that can lead to grave results.

I have no doubt that if a staffer contacted the Canadian govt inappropriately, she will fire them. She has asked for the name and the Canadians have not given her an answer for some time now. Perhaps that Brodie person is not being truthful since they havent provided names and details.

(and for the record, as I stated already, the fact that she has flipflopped on NAFTA from the praise she gave it over a course of 10 years makes her 'wink wink ' comments hypocrisy to begin with)

It should be noted that the Obama campaign at first flatly denied that such a conversation had taken place at all between its campaign and Canadian officials. Now Obama acknowledges it and blames the naivete of his economic advisor. Today, his foreign policy advisor says he's not ready for "the 3 a.m. crisis call". Now that the fawning has come under scrutiny, his campaign is imploding. Inexperience really shows under stress.

she absolutely did not. she pulled the same thing McCain did with Hagee, saying that Callejo had 'freedom of speech' and avoiding the issue.

Goolsbee denied the words about NAFTA, and denied meeting with the ambassador, and the Obama campaign parsed using words like 'incorrect' instead of outright denials. Im not forgiving, I'm just saying its not so cut and dried. it comes down to Bill Clinton-esque defition of 'is' denials.

And again, Goolsbee denied saying what he did at the meeting, the Cdn government says it was a misunderstanding, and witnesses at his meeting back Goolsbee. Goolsbee was not visiting on Obama's behalf, that is indisputable - it was his own visit based on his own private work.

I dont suspect Brodie will reveal names regardless at this point sinc he is denying everything now to save his own behind, saying more will only get him in deeper trouble. only the media can uncover a source there if at all.

Actually Gion Hillary did reject and denounce Adelfa Callejo words when she had read the entire TV transcript. Ref: FYI Obama denied meeting, Goolsbee denied meeting, and on and on. Then the memos broke and to make a long story short Goolsbee now admits a meeting but disputes the wink, wink, nod, nod, details. Hard to believe Goolsbee after this.

In 1993, Clinton expressed concern about NAFTA as it was proposed by Bush Sr. Bill Clinton was pressured by republicans in Congress to approve it as a trade for one of his bills. Hillary Clinton did not like it but she was not the President that made that decision.

Because it works well in some areas, both candidates have supported NAFTA concepts but both agree it needs to be revamped. The difference between them now is, Obama voted for the agreement with Peru which is very NAFTA like and Clinton voted against it because it is NAFTA like. So on that issue, Obama is the one misleading the public.

"Inexperience really shows under stress."

With all do respect, Clinton's "experience" hasnt proven she can organize a simple caucus. Experience and inexperience have shown to be a very big give and take this election cycle.

Clinton's "experience" under stress ended up getting her booed loudly on stage during a number of debates. When Penn and Wolfson were asked to describe her foreign policy experience, they blanked out the same way Obamas Texan state senator supporter did. "Experience" cant make up for dumb supporters, who will float and hover around just about everyone.

dogsoldier, i looked up Callejo and you are correct, i missed it.

dcvoter - so her 'experience' taught her to keep quiet on NAFTA if she didnt like it and even praise it after Bill left office, in 2004 saying it was good for NY and America? praise it in her own book?
I'm sorry, this does not fly - she's the one accusing Obama of saying one thing in public and another off the record, and her DEFENCE is that she secretly opposed NAFTA and LIED to protect someone else? theres parsing words and theres LYING, and unless shes saying she simply changed her mind - which she hasnt - she LIED.

Experience is all about learning and knowing and experiencing other nations cultures and customs. As both American and Canadian troops have and are learning in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hard won experience. Hillary has traveled extensively to foreign nations and got herself involved with their peoples and in their customs. Obama experienced customs and culture in the Philippians and in Kenya. Hillary has the edge.

NAFTA is a very controversary case. It is a comprise between international interests and balancing power.. It may be revisited to accomodate the present situation and national interests if it is out of date..

The issue is not whether NAFTA is good or bad...

The issue is some one lied and got caught....too bad..

Dogsoldier - thats an awfully lousy argument if you ask me, by that standard Laura Bush has more political experience than most people

thats just a load of bull.

no Gion, she was not a politician at that time and she did not keep quiet anyway... this is published info... apparently you are misinformed about the details... i tried to provide them but for some reason you dont see them... Bush Sr (former president) is the architect of NAFTA... Bill Clinton (newly elected outsider) agreed to sign the bill in exchange for support of another bill he wanted passed... Hillary Clinton did not like it as written, she voiced her opposition against it but she had no vote in the matter... dont punish her for Bill's mistakes... she has worked hard to get support for NAFTA to be revamped and Obama claims to support that... yet he engineered a bad agreement like NAFTA with Peru and she voted against it... he is misleading the public on this issue and she is not

also dogsoldier and im not accusing you of saying this

if experience was so important how the hell did hillary beat Joe Biden? and how the hell does she expect to win that argument with McCain?

Hillary herself if she is the nominee would have to play the Obama 'judgment' card vs McCain, saying its more important to be right than experienced...