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Obama: Joint Chief Screening Will Not Include Opposition to 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
April 10, 2008 8:15 AM
ABC News' Sunlen Miller Reports: Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama says that while he's for eliminating the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy that allows gay Americans to serve in the military if they keep quiet about their sexual preference he would not require his Joint Chief of Staff to oppose it as well.
"I would never make this a litmus test for the Joint Chief of Staff," Obama said in a Monday interview with The Advocate. "Obviously, there are so many issues that a member of the Joint Chiefs has to deal with, and my paramount obligation is to get the best possible people to keep America safe.
The interview with the gay and lesbian newsmagazine comes at a time when Obama has been criticized for not speaking to the gay media, most notably not making himself available for an interview with the Philadelphia Gay News, who recently ran a half-blank front page to protest the Illinois senator's continued "disrespect" of LGBT issues by not granting them an interview. (The Philadelphia Gay News ran the blank space next to an interview with Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y.)
In his interview with the The Advocate, Obama continued, "I think there's increasing recognition within the Armed Forces that this is a counterproductive strategy...we're spending large sums of money to kick highly qualified gays or lesbians out of our military, some of whom possess specialties like Arab-language capabilities that we desperately need."
"That doesn't make us more safe," Obama said, "What I want are members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who are making decisions based on what strengthens our military and what is going to make us safer, not ideology."
Obama was also asked about Donnie McClurkin, the formerly gay minis
He was asked about Donnie McClurkin, the formerly gay minister slated to sing the gospel at Obama events in South Carolina last year.
Obama invoked another controversial man of God in his response -- his former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- to say "nobody is going to be perfectly aligned with my views."
Obama says though Wright "offended a whole huge constituency with some of his statements" his longtime spiritual adviser is "very good on gay and lesbian issues."
Wright, Obama said, is "one of the leaders in the African-American community of embracing, speaking out against homophobia, and talking about the importance of AIDS. And so nobody is going to be perfectly aligned with my views."
Obama suggested to Advocate readers to expect a "range of constituencies" on the issues as he reaches out "beyond the traditional Democratic base".
"What I hope is that people take me for who I am, for what I've said and for what I've displayed in terms of my commitment to these issues, but understanding that there's going to be a range of constituencies that I'm reaching out to and working on issues that we have in common, even though I may differ with them on other issues."
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This guy is such a player - what is this guy still quoting "Wright". Down with Obama! He has not addressd the gay community until he got pressed to do so. As a gay professional male - I will not support Obama.
Posted by: Donna | Apr 10, 2008 8:58:59 AM
Everybody remember that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is not just some arbitrary Pentagon Policy. It is Law, passed by a Democratic House, passed by a Democratic Senate, and signed by a Democratic President in 1993.
So, when Nancy Pelosi starts bashing Republicans with it, tell her to pull her head out.
Posted by: DADT | Apr 10, 2008 9:05:06 AM
I agree it should not be a litmus test. But i also belive that DONT ASK DONT TELL SHOULD BE OFF THE BOOKS. WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF ANYONE WHAT YUR SEXUAL PREFRENCE IS? IT SHOULD NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO ANYONE IF YOU ARE STRAIGHT OR HOMOSEXUAL
THAT DOES NOT EFFECT HOW YOU DO YOUR JOB.
I also believe that they ( Gays ) should have every one of the RIGHTS that i have. It should not be illegal for Gays to Marry.
GOD created us all!!!
Posted by: Lauren | Apr 10, 2008 9:05:51 AM
"That doesn't make us more safe," Obama said, "What I want are members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who are making decisions based on what strengthens our military and what is going to make us safer, not ideology."
This is what all Americans should want.
Posted by: Lauren | Apr 10, 2008 9:09:45 AM
CORRECTION TO MY POSTING OF 9:14 THIS MORNING - THE LAST LINE OF MY BLOG SHOULD READ
I AM TOTALLY "OUT" OF HIS CAMP- I WILL NEVER EVER VOTE FOR OBAMA.
Posted by: MIke South Hampton | Apr 10, 2008 9:22:34 AM
I realize that the Clintons have a lot of controversies but they were always there for the gay community and not waited until it was safe to take a stand on these issues
Then explain to me why they did not propose EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL? THERE SHOULD BE NO DONT ASK DONT TELL.
PLEASE ALL AMERICANS SHOULD HAVE
ALL RIGHTS AFFORDED TO THEM INCLUDING GAY MARRIAGE.
DONT TELL HOW WILL THE SERVICE MEMBERS
PUT THEIR INSURANCE TO THEIR PARTNER WITH OUT TELLING? GET REAL
EQUAL RIGHTS.
EQUAL RIGHTS,.
Posted by: Lauren | Apr 10, 2008 9:26:34 AM
Now he is equating a Gospel singer with Wright?
Posted by: geevill | Apr 10, 2008 9:34:01 AM
Barack and Hillarys Camp
we want and deserve equal rights as Americans no more sitting on fences and giving ( little platitudes ) pass an Equal Rights Amendment For ALL.
Stop worrying about your Political Life and worry about all your constituents.
Americans should be according to our Constitution Equal rights For all.
Posted by: Lauren | Apr 10, 2008 9:37:33 AM
I know in the political world especially when out stumping for votes,
you ( politician's ) it is considered dangerous to push for equal rights and Gay Marriage.. afraid of losing votes .
But Make a stand .stop worrying if you will lose a few votes .
have a spine.
even thou people might not agree with you . all people have learned that we do not have to agree with everything our politicians views.
to vote for them.
Posted by: Lauren | Apr 10, 2008 9:46:28 AM
Good answers Obama. Not everybody that is going to be at any candidate's events are going to be perfectly aligned with that candidate's views.
Check out Bill and Hillary. They don't have the same views on everything and people don't expect that.
I also agree that the "Don't ask, don't tell" should not be a litmus test.
Posted by: Maritza | Apr 10, 2008 9:46:41 AM
Michealin Philly
good for you.
I agree Barack all the way to the White house
Posted by: Lauren | Apr 10, 2008 9:48:37 AM
DONT ASK DONT TELL MEANS...BE ASHAMED OF WHO YOUR ARE.
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL AMERICANS
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL AMERICANS
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED FOR YOUR BELEIFS DO NOT HIDE WITH GIVE US A LITTLE.
GIVE US THE SAME RIGHTS STRAIGHTS HAVE.
Posted by: Lauren | Apr 10, 2008 9:52:39 AM
Nice answers, it is none of anyones business what you do behind closed doors.Don't flant it.Do your job.This is like none of your business which church I go to as long as I go what the hey is it of yoursssssssssss.Some of you people hate big time don't you????SAD>>>>>>
Posted by: h | Apr 10, 2008 9:53:51 AM
As a lifelong democrat I am shocked at what our party has become... we have 2 very polarizing and divisive candidates...O bama on race and age and hillary on gender.... Just when I thought that we will finally take the whitehouse back ... I now have my doubts
Posted by: Nick | Apr 10, 2008 10:10:11 AM
Seah, you don't know what you're talking about. Unless you're gay, you can't even argue that you do.
Posted by: emily | Apr 10, 2008 10:11:02 AM
Jordon- "The Clintons Have always supported the gay community." Are you kidding? Bill Clinton is the one who signed the Don't Ask Don't Tell bill in the first place.
Posted by: Lorraine | Apr 10, 2008 10:11:34 AM
LORRAINE,
PLEASE READ UP ON THINGS - READ WHY BILL CLINTON - PUT THE DON'T ASK DON'T TELL POLICY IN PLACE.
HE HAD SO MUCH OPPOSITION FROM THE MILITARY AND THE REPUBLICANS THAT THIS WAS HIS ALTERNATE PLAN - BECAUSE OF THE OF IGNORANCE AND BIGOTORY OF THE EARLY 90'S AND YES NOW MAYBE A TIME TO REVISIT THIS ISSUE - THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT THOUGH.
Posted by: Jordan- | Apr 10, 2008 10:16:14 AM
You know it should be against the law to use that many negatives to describe a single position.
NOT AGAINST OPTING OUT OF DO NOT ASK DO NOT TELL
So is that 4 negatives or 5 negatives because if its 4 then Obama is neutral on pro gay or is it anti gay legislation in the military.
If its five negatives then is he against this legislation and is the legislation pro gay or anti gay?
You see the whole thing is very confusing.
Intentionally no doubt.
It's called subterfuge right! Same old Obama or is it bamboozled.
Posted by: s.b. | Apr 10, 2008 10:28:16 AM
In this day and age, especially with internet technology, there is no excuse for ignorance.
READ PEOPLE, READ.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Apr 10, 2008 10:29:09 AM
I am so tired of the mindless mindset of those jumping on the "Barack Bandwagon". This man OPPOSES gay marriage, his racist and homophobic church OPPOSES gay rights [meaning EQUAL rights, not separate rights], he continues to quote his former pastor and align himself with hatred and bigotry. I do not know of one single gay man or women that plans to vote for Barack Obama - we simply do not trust him or respect his prejudice values. Tell us Senator Obama, if "Separate but Equal" laws were not good enough for blacks in the 1950s and 1960s, then why do you propose these same laws for gays?
Posted by: PhillyPaul | Apr 10, 2008 10:29:34 AM
oh my word PhillyPaul
lol then don't vote for Obama
good grief!
Find Obama's speech in Atlanta, in church recently....I think you'll then know what his view is on gays.
You guys are unbelievable!
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Apr 10, 2008 10:35:36 AM
Oh, & BTW, "Jordan" on this blog is 100% correct. Then President Bill Clinton, in his first act as President only minutes after being sworn in, attempted to lift the ban on gays in the military. Remember the bigoted, ignorant right-wing flak he got for that brave attempt?! He was FORCED into a lame compromise called, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" - a compromise inherently flawed and discriminatory right from the start. But he TRIED!
Posted by: PhillyPaul | Apr 10, 2008 10:35:52 AM
Um, "Oh my word" & "LOL"? Thanks for the incredibly insightful response "LA in Indiana". You must have been President of your high school debate team. BTW, I DID read a transcript of Senator Barack Obama's speech in the Atlanta church - it was BS. The man does not support gay rights, no matter how much he attempts to whitewash his bigoted values. Of COURSE I am not voting for him. Why would I?
Posted by: PhillyPaul | Apr 10, 2008 10:40:34 AM
Hey phillypaul,
I would rather have Bill C on my side that that big earred empty suit you call a candidate. He is so weak. I was comfortable with Bill C's Don't ask dont tell policy at least "we" were able to stay in the military. I think it time to change it now that supposedly we as a nation have grown- many states can't even get gay marrigae passed never mind rights in the military. Our country has so many hang ups.
I am fortunate enough to travel the globe 4-5x a year and it amazes me how backwards our country can be on ceratain issues. I will not vote for Obama just becasue I want to show the world that I am not a racist. I will vote on the candidate who I feel is best for this country based on issues. Obama is so dividing this country. Thanks for all your comments and I done with this blog.
Posted by: Jordan- | Apr 10, 2008 10:48:06 AM
WOW
I'm still trying to figure out how Obama is dividing this country. He can't help the skin he's in....so how is he the one dividing???
The man is white, period. I don't care what anyone says.
As an AA, (or black or whatever you wanna call us these days) and I'll reserve my comments due to DADT, I believe Obama identifies more with white culture than any other. Simply because that is where he was raised. He had to LEARN what its like to be black, only because that is how the world views HIM.
I'm not voting for him to prove I'm not racist, I'm voting for him because I believe he is the best candidate to put this country back on the right track.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Apr 10, 2008 10:53:46 AM
So in other words he is pushing the GLBT community aside because of other MORE important range of constituencies and the rest of the states coming up typically do not have large GLBT populations like California, Florida, Texas, Ohio, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts. Hmmmm, as I recall those are all states Hillary won.
It is my understanding that the President has a choice as to who will be the Joint Chief of Staff. If that President chooses a person that leads our armed forces to over look this discrimination issue then that President is not on the GLBT side. I would like to add that ALL other great nations currently allow gays and lesbians to openly serve in their armed forces.
Posted by: Keith | Apr 10, 2008 11:16:03 AM
I tell you this, Obama is a nice guy, but an empty suit. I sincerely believe he needs more time in the Federal Government to obtain the thinking knowledge. MY GOD, look at our last president!
Posted by: NYCStylez | Apr 10, 2008 12:08:03 PM
Obama has Guts! Hillary runs from non-existent Bullets and answers phones at 3 am that are not even ringing for her!
Posted by: Bill | Apr 10, 2008 12:20:32 PM
Obama has Guts! Hillary runs from non-existent Bullets and answers phones at 3 am that are not even ringing for her!
Posted by: Bill | Apr 10, 2008 12:20:42 PM
aren't you people sick and tired of all these mind-games played by gutter-press and half-baked journalism on you? no wonder George Bush has managed to stay president in this country despite all the mess he has created. just use your heads for a change and stop being so malleable and prejudiced.the man makes perfect sense. all this nit-picking only makes people blind to much larger issues. move on!
Posted by: Realist | Apr 10, 2008 12:22:51 PM
The US military is behind other nations in this respect. The UK, Isreal and Australia, among many others who have served with the US in Iraq and Afghanistan allow openly gay troops to serve. (note Isreal is not involved in Iraq&Afghan.)
The US militray allows dating and married couples to serve openly and women now in combat roles. why not gays?
Quit wasting the taxpayers money by kicking out openly gay soldiers. The military has much bigger concerns or should have.
Posted by: scott jeffries | Apr 10, 2008 12:27:48 PM
Hey LAININDIANA,
OBAMA DIVIDES THE COUNTRY BY USING THE BLACK CARD WHEN IT IS TOO HIS ADVANTAGE. NO THANKS - OPPURTUNIST FOR ME DOESN'T WORK. I SAY OUT OF THE 3 CANDIDATES WE DON'T HAVE GREAT CHOICES. I THINK I WILL WRITE IN FRED FLINTSTONE.
OBAMA HAS GUTS - SOMEONE ABOVE WROTE THAT. HE IS SO WISHY WASHY - HE DOESN'T LIKE TO COMMIT TO ANYTING LOOK HOW MANY TIMES HE HAS VOTED PRESENT IN THE SENATE. GO HOME OBAMA. WE DON'T WANT THAT HATEFUL RACIST AMAZON OF A WOMAN YOU MARRIED IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
Posted by: Frank- South Hampton | Apr 10, 2008 12:29:56 PM
mike-south hampton...Did you miss the part where the article said....... In his interview with the The Advocate, Obama continued, "I think there's increasing recognition within the Armed Forces that this (don't ask, don't tell law) is a counterproductive strategy...we're spending large sums of money to kick highly qualified gays or lesbians out of our military, some of whom possess specialties like Arab-language capabilities that we desperately need." "That doesn't make us more safe," Obama said, "What I want are members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who are making decisions based on what strengthens our military and what is going to make us safer, not ideology." It sounds like Obama opposes it because he'd rather have gays & lesbians serve openly in the military and value everyone's contributions to our national saftey regardless of their sexual orientation. I think you misinderstand the reason that he opposes "don't ask, don't tell."
Posted by: LowB44 | Apr 10, 2008 12:31:21 PM
LOWB44
- THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE. I APPRECIATE THAT - HOWEVER, AS I STATED BEFORE I WAS AND OBAMA SUPPORTER AND AS TIME MARCHES ON I SEE TOO MANY INCONSISTENCIES ARISING - I DON'T SEE THE CHANGE - HE IS A POLITICIAN LIKE ALL THE OTHERS AND I READ MICHELLE OBAMA THESIS AND BOY IS SHE AN ANGRY SCARY PERSON. HAVE A GREAT DAY.
Posted by: MIke South Hampton | Apr 10, 2008 12:38:00 PM
This is nothing but another political move by Barry "the racist radical."
Posted by: typical white dude in PA | Apr 10, 2008 12:38:33 PM
It seems no matter what Obama says, he is wrong. You cannot please everyone. I belong to the United Church of Christ, CT, the same as Obama, and we openly accept gays and lesbians into our fold. We are all God's children. And only He can judge you.
Posted by: cindy | Apr 10, 2008 12:43:32 PM
ONE MORE THING LOWB44-
IF YOU THINK THAT I JOIN THE MILITARY AND I SAY HELLO EVERYONE I AM GAY THE MILITARY WILL RALLY AROUND ME AND REJOICE. I DON'T THINK SO. IF YOU REMEMBER THE GUY WHO GOT HIS HEAD BASHED IN BY ONE OUR OWN MILITARY PERSONEL. I DON'T THINK BARACK LIVES IN A REALISTIC WORLD. THERE IS STILL ALOT OF BIGOTS AND RACIST IN THIS COUNTRY AND PEOPLE IN THIS DAY AND AGE CAN'T EVEN GET MARRIAGE FOR GAYS PASSED IN MOST STATES. BARACK GIVES FALSE PROMISES. ENOUGH SAID.
Posted by: MIke South Hampton | Apr 10, 2008 12:43:46 PM
Lauren - Don't ask - don't tell was passed so gays in the military don't discriminate against them and also for their safety. As for gay marriages it is not the Presidents call - the senate needs to approve it. For it to become a state law the state must vote for it and unfortunately the senate and our state here in Nevada refuses to vote for it. Obama refused to talk to a small gay publication in Pennsylvania and he got the hit on that one. A few days later he gave an interview to the Advocate. That is what he is good at...when he feels the heat on something..he will turn around and would try to fix it. Is this the president you want? He needed to consult with his puppet masters before he makes any decisions...hahahah...What a joke?
Posted by: asianamerican2 | Apr 10, 2008 12:45:55 PM
OBAMA AND JEREMIAH WRIGHT-ONE AND SAME.
OBAMA STILL QUOTES THE BIGOTED REVEREND.
WOW!!!!
Posted by: TJ | Apr 10, 2008 12:46:48 PM
Obama is good at "don't ask dont tell", a practiced liar...doesn't mean others have to lead a covert life! Just rember, IGNORANCE BREEDS FEAR!
Posted by: D | Apr 10, 2008 12:48:18 PM
Donna if is hard to believe that you was once in the Obama camp after the anti Obama post and nothing negative about Hillary and the people she employs about trade with Colombia and the slime Bill hangs around with..you don't have to vote for Obama but voting for McWar is just stupid unless you want the country to go broke and you don't care about future dead soldiers in Iraq.
Posted by: larry | Apr 10, 2008 12:53:30 PM
DOUBLE TALK. FOR ONCE, STAND UP ON AN ISSUE!!!!!!
Posted by: TOM | Apr 10, 2008 12:58:06 PM
I don't believe that people on this blog you call themselves democrats will vote for MCain instead of Obama if Obam becomes the Nominee. I am a Hilary supporter but if she loses I will vote for Obama. They both take the same possitions on the issues that are important to me and 67% of the people in this nation. So for a DEMOCRAT to say that he we vote republican if OBAMA wins the nomination is not a true democrat. We as democrats need to stand behind our nominee whether or not if its the candidate we support. We keep this S*&t up we willhave four more years of the BullS#@t we have endored for the last 8 years. I hope Hillary pulls this out but if she don't. There is no way I'm voting for John Mcain. If you any of you do, then is clearly a racial issue.
Posted by: Omar | Apr 10, 2008 1:02:04 PM
So question for the Obama supporters: What do you think about his friendly relationship with William Ayers? Do you think he can give a great speech about terrorism too so he can cover up for that? Slowly but surely his affiliations with questionable people are being revealed by the media. Who is the real Barack Obama?
Mike - south hampton (how were you able to obtain a copy of Michelle's thesis? - the Obama camp is not making that available until after the primary season - I wonder why. Vote Hillary!!!!!
Posted by: asianamerican2 | Apr 10, 2008 1:05:27 PM
DEMOCRATS MUST SUPPORT THE DEMOCRAT NOMINEE
Posted by: Omar | Apr 10, 2008 1:07:50 PM
OMAR IS IT NOT A RACIAL ISSUE. IT'S FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS. IF IT WERE ANY OTEHR BLACK CANDIDATE SUCH AS COLIN POWELL - I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM IN A FLASH. IT'S ABOUT WHAT OBAMA STANDS FOR - HE IS USER OF HIS OWN RACE - HE PULLS THIS CARD EVERYTIME HE IS BACKED INTO A CORNER. IF HE WAS GREEN WITH ONE EYE BUT HE HAD SUBSTANCE THEN I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM. IF OBAMA IS THE NOMINEE - I WILL JUST TAKE A PASS ON THE GENERAL ELECTION OR WRITE IN MY OWN CANDIDATE.
Posted by: Brian | Apr 10, 2008 1:07:59 PM
To be fair to Bill Clinton -- wow, what a concept -- Don't ask don't tell was an improvement over the previous "policy" which was zero tolerance.
However, I don't think DADT was meant to be a be-all, end-all, but rather a first step in acknowledging the mistake of treating gay soldiers differently. As Senator Obama pointed out, many highly qualified folks are still being discharged today.
So, in spite of my opposition to Hillabean's candidacy, I cannot fault Clinton for DADT. But it's time to bring it to an end, replaced not be returning to pre-1993 policy, but by an attitude of fairness and equality.
Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | Apr 10, 2008 1:10:12 PM
The byline for this article on the front page is misleading. "While Obama is against the policy, he won't require Joint Chiefs to change it."
That is wrong. The task of changing the policy does not fall to the Joint Chiefs, per the 1993 law passed by Congress. To change the law, Obama would have to go to Congress. Congress could amend the law and the Joint Chiefs would be obliged to follow. Thus, screening for opposition to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in Joint Chiefs appointments would be unnecessary and irrelevant.
Obama is knows what he's talking about and such a declaration is smart policy and politics.
Posted by: Erik | Apr 10, 2008 1:11:49 PM
Hillary Clinton is not perfect and so are we. At this point in time we the American people need to get together and nominate the person that will matter in November. Hillary Clinton can turn this country around. I am one of those people that have lost a job and soon will loose a home. My future and my childrens future depends on my democratic parties nominee. I have voted democratic all of my adult life. If Barack Obama is the nominee I will put mine and my childrens future in front of the party. I will vote John Mccain in November. Obama's call for a change is just that a mere call. More and more we see who he truly is. He is nothing like the carefully crafted image him and his camp is portraying. I am calling out to the democrats and independents..More than ever we must all come together and call ourselves Americans and step up to the plate. It's our turn to bat. Vote for Hillary!!!
Posted by: bpatz3 | Apr 10, 2008 1:12:33 PM
Obama is 100% for gays and gay lifestyles, even gay marriage.
His church is a new emergering church.
it is a feel good church. They do not have moral obligations or reasoning.
They do not have any tradition values.
They make it up as they go.
They definitely do not like jews though. Or white people, or the Government of the United States. They love and forgive all except these.
Other than that, they are pretty much into what anyone wants to do.
UCC and all its branches are more Political than religious.
Posted by: seah | Apr 10, 2008 1:12:53 PM
I totally agree with you. But what Im saying is if he does infact win. Why would us democrat vote for John Mcain. Atlease Obama like Hilliary stand on the same side on our issues. Why would democrats talk with so much hate. about another democrat candidate. It does matter how we feel is the majority votes for Obama. It is talks like this, that make us lose.
Posted by: Omar | Apr 10, 2008 1:13:42 PM
WHO CARES...there are people starving in the world (gay and straight), wars killing innocent men and women (gay and straight - bullets and bombs don't discriminate), people losing their homes and going hungry in the good ole US of A (and they are gay and straight). Are you people really this petty? No wonder our country is in trouble....let's all try looking outside of our own self-centered worlds and try to see things from another person's point of view. Unless the next president can cure the seven deadly sins afflicting this country (worst with children who are obese, don't know how to respect adults, have no responsibility whatsoever and have never been told no - we wouldn't want them to feel disappointment) we don't stand a chance.
Posted by: Scott | Apr 10, 2008 1:15:39 PM
My only advice for gays in the military is for you please "Don't tell." I'm not saying that to be mean. I am saying that to protect you. Most of our men and women in the military are fine upstanding people. They might disagree with your lifestyle, but they would never do anything to hurt you. But there are enough homophobes in there to cause you considerable trouble and I don't know that enough will be done to protect you. I am a heterosexual white protestant Rebublican male - yet I see no reason to descriminate. You say its a sin - maybe - read some pretty harsh stuff on it in Leviticus. But, so is glutony. So is cheating. So is lying. So are a lot of these posts. God loves us all and we need to quit bashing leaders for accepting all Americans.
Posted by: Mark | Apr 10, 2008 1:19:53 PM
I'm a straight male, but I too believe that being gay is not a choice (for most). Now I have met people that because they've had bad relationships they decided to become gay (mostly if not all were women). This is my reason for believing this. I don't mean to exclude anyone or single out anyone, however, I find it extremely hard to believe that a MAN would choose to be ridiculed and bashed for the rest of his life. And most people (not just men) that are gay experience it at an early age. I just don't understand how anyone can want to choose a life like that. I have a female friend that told me about her realization of being gay. She was in 5th grade when she found herself attracted to women and not men. She also tried to be straight but she felt disgusting. I have no say so but I think gays should be allowed to marry, and all the benefits that come with it. You know if there's anyone that's discriminated more than anyone in this country is gays. Whomever says that gay marriage hurts the traditional american family give me a good reason how. Straights can raise a messed up child just as much as a gay family could, and vice versa.
Posted by: Jason | Apr 10, 2008 1:21:05 PM
Obama always wants it both ways. I don't trust him!
Posted by: Thomas Mc | Apr 10, 2008 1:21:56 PM
There is a reason the military separates living quarters for the opposite sex: to provide privacy, dignity, and decency. This is one reason why homosexual men and women should not be allowed in the military. It drastically decreases solidarity between people of the same sex.
Men do not want to be viewed as sex objects by other men, especially when they are showering and living in close quarters. The same for women.
Obama and Clinton continually show their lack of intelligence and judgment in very important matters. Obama and Clinton are going to turn the U.S. military into a mockery.
Posted by: Benjamin | Apr 10, 2008 1:22:09 PM
bpatz3, if you are willing to vote for McCain if your first choice, Hillary Clinton, does not get the nomination, then you obviously care nothing about Senator Clinton's politics.
Why are you voting for her? Senator's Clinton and Obama are nearly identically on every major issue. If you then say you're going to vote for McCain if Hillary doesn't get the nomination, her polar opposite ideologically, then you obviously are voting on something other than policy.
Why are you supporting Senator Clinton now and Senator McCain?
Posted by: Erik | Apr 10, 2008 1:24:06 PM
It has been days that the gay/lesbian community has been trying to get a response out of Obama. Only today he comes up with something! Bill Clinton was the first one to start reconising gays. If it always takes Obama days sometimes up to a week to respond to anything- God help America if anything big happens on our turf. He'll probably jump in his helicopter and run for the hills leaving everyone to fend for themselves because he would be forced to take a stand on a issue.
Posted by: Ronda | Apr 10, 2008 1:25:52 PM
Michaelinphily: My son is gay and he supports Hillary? How many years have Obama being in the political scene? How convenient that now for the first time he supports gays. People need to support their words with actions. In the case of Obama, what past actions he has taken on behalf of the gays? His position, as all of his position (when he finally has a position) are finally taken when they are convenient for him and only him.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | Apr 10, 2008 1:26:53 PM
I don't know Bengimin. Having taken a lot of those gang showers, I never worried about who might be looking - I'm being serious - it never occurred to me. But then I had a lot of other issues to worry about - shoes, brass, my platoon seargent killing me. It probably helped that I wouldn't have known if anyone were gay - the don't tell thing. The important thing would have been don't touch.
Posted by: Mark | Apr 10, 2008 1:27:46 PM
Just another position on which Obama has jumped on the bandwagon. Yesterday it was the Olympics, today "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", which both are issues that Clinton has been speaking about throughout her campaign. Instead of saying what other people are going to do and getting ideas from other people, why doesn't he ever come up with his own ideas.
Posted by: What a joke | Apr 10, 2008 1:29:11 PM
Obama can say anything he wants. This should be a litmus of who is intelligent enough to serve as the Joint Chief. Obama is as homophobic as they come. As a gay overly educated professional man (who by the way, served in the military unlike that Ego in a suit) I will not support Obama. if he is the democratic nominee I will break a 30 year streak of supporting only democrats and I will support McCain. I would urge all other Clinton supporters to do the same.
If not Clinotn, McCain in '08
Posted by: AJ | Apr 10, 2008 1:29:16 PM
Erik: The answer to your question is very simple. Even when Hillary and Obama have similar platforms, Obama has not convinced many of us Hillary supporters that he has the "backbone" to implement anything. When you review his past actions and take out of the scene his beautiful words, you will get yourself very surprised that when it comes to stand and support a position in anything Obama has been very evasive. This nation is completely in disarray, so as a responsible US citizen, the interests of my country go beyond the party. Even when we are not republicans, we feel that for 4 years we will be bettern with McCain that with Obama.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | Apr 10, 2008 1:31:56 PM
Saying you believe or don't believe in something, and then being unwilling to back it up is like saying NOTHING at all. Pathetic...
Posted by: DaveM | Apr 10, 2008 1:33:23 PM
AJ - I AM WITH YOU! AND GOOD FOR YOU RHONDAINOREGON.
Posted by: Frank- South Hampton | Apr 10, 2008 1:34:17 PM
Okay, so he's against it, but wouldn't require the army to change it. What kind of leader is that? I oppose it, but won't do anything to fix it. Sounds like a double talker.
Posted by: Amazed | Apr 10, 2008 1:38:00 PM
Some of you people are not happy unless you have something to gripe about. You would say that Obama does not stand up for anything unless he is cornered or forced. Let me see...exactly how many soap boxes are any of you criers asking John McCain or Clinton to get on at every fuction they attend or speech that they give. I do not recall hearing Hillary tout the gay rights speech. I don't see her attending any gay marches. I don't hear any candidate, democratic or republican, saying to much about gay rights on C-span on a regular basis. But for some reason, if Obama is asked a question and he answers it, you pick it apart until you can't find anything wrong and decide to call it empty. Amazing!!!
Posted by: 2iceman2 | Apr 10, 2008 1:38:45 PM
2iceman2: If you don't see something, it does not mean it has not happened. Do your research, and you will find out how the Clintons have supported the gay community throughout the years with words and actions.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | Apr 10, 2008 1:46:58 PM
The Gay Rule is to Protect all the white christian slobs, like that senator for Iowa or kansas or where ever - who tried to get laid in a toilet - the law is to make them feel like men. WHAT CAN I SAY - THIS NATION STILL BELIEVES IT MUST PROTECT THE MALE CAUCASIAN CHRISTIAN SLOBS...
Posted by: NYCStylez | Apr 10, 2008 1:47:05 PM
Eric - Yes they are almost identical with every issues except for health care. The reason why I am not going to support Obama is because of his judgment (Wright, Ayers, Farakhan, Khalidi, Frank Marshall Davis and Larry Sinclair to name a few). He is weak in responding to issues right off the bat (Olympics, Gay interviews, Wright etc). He is arrogant (to say that he has more experience in foreign policies than Mccain and Clinton). His support of black liberation theology (going to a congregation for 20 years with this doctrine). He has run for 4 different positions in the public office in the past 11 years including this presidency (too quick, too fast). Frankly, he scares the life out of me. Clinton might not be perfect but she is the best candidate we have to turn this country around.
Posted by: bpatz3 | Apr 10, 2008 1:48:17 PM
Benjamin
and other men:
If you were serving in the military, as I have, can you handle being in a public shower area with other naked women? You mention extra-terrestrials.....I doubt they handle watching God's most beautiful humans shower naked too....
So, be real about this matter....okay...
Posted by: tony | Apr 10, 2008 1:48:45 PM
This would be a nightmare. Young men would refuse to enlist simply because of the fear they might have to share a tent with one of these people. You think I'm wrong, just go ahead and do it. Yep, that is what we need, an Army full of gay guys. This is sick. How dare this clown tarnish the honor of our fine men and women?
Posted by: Mike | Apr 10, 2008 1:48:53 PM
Hey Mike:
You reveal to me that the senator is being attacked from both sides....calm down dude....
Posted by: tony | Apr 10, 2008 1:50:37 PM
Frank: We already know where Obama stands, and that is anywhere he has to for the moment to win this election. And, if he is busted again with an association with another unsavory character (e.g. Rev. Wright), he will backtrack just enough to fool some into voting for him. Once elected, he will still have the same views which led him to attend a racist and anti-American church for 20 years; and the same views which caused him to ignore the gay community for so long, and find affiliations with anti-gay individuals like Rev. Meek.
Posted by: Fred | Apr 10, 2008 1:50:45 PM
this guy rides the fence and depending on which way the political storm is headed he dodges, runs for cover, rides out the storm, quotes others, votes present, or runs circles around the issues to avoid taking a position. him and his advisors have done one thing really good and that is- fine tuned his marketing strategy to appeal to everyone-especially the desperate for 'change' crowd'. men who cannot phantom the idea of a strong woman in charge, and women who hate their mother's or worse yet women who are so programmed to accept 'the man is the boss line'. appealing to them with pretty words-these simpletons faint and worship at the altar of their messiah. i am starting to see some shocking similarities between the religious right bush fans (past election cycles) and the obama fans. the adoration of the chosen one that has come to save us is scarry folks. and this is as we are often reminded 'the educated crowd' wow! i never thought i would be so proud to be a member of the as we are often referred to, the uneducated blue collar downtrodden crowd-who can smell a rat in the barn. funny how being poor gives you the ability to be cautious, think twice, and don't step on the bullshit.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Apr 10, 2008 1:52:22 PM
Only a coward seeks to use an individual's sexual orientation as a reason to commit the legal prejudice that this insanely stupid don't ask don't tell law advocates. A stupid law used by stupid people (Bush and USGOV) to do stupid things.
If we as Americans had any sort of honour we would have done away with this law years ago.
Posted by: gregory | Apr 10, 2008 1:53:15 PM
I did six years in the United States Army. If I served with any gays, I'm not
aware of it. So, I guess the don't ask, don't tell policy worked for me. As far as I know, I don't ride with any gays. I don't think it would make any difference to me. I'm sure that some of my buddies would think different.
Posted by: BikernAz | Apr 10, 2008 2:02:06 PM
Mark: I agree, I could never vote for Obama. Regarding the Obama supporters, many of them simply cannot face the truth about their candidate, period. They began supporting him when they knew nothing about him, and now that they've invested so much of themselves in the "change" he pretended to represent, there is just no turning back for them. No, they will not let information which does not support their image of this man intrude upon their dreams. I blame Obama for this, more than his supporters. He knew he was perpetrating a terrible hoax on the voters of this country from the start. He knew the kinds of ruthless tactics he had used from the beginning to jumpstart his political career. He knew about his dubious associations and how they flew in the face of his calls for "change" and "unification." He knew about the racist theology to which he subscribed for 20 years, and how destructive such ideas are to the progress of race relations in this country. No, I do not place primary blame for our current unfortunate situation on his supporters; I place it squarely on Obama, who has shown an almost criminal lack of concern about the damage his tactics have done not only to the Democratic Party, but more importantly, to relations between the races about which, ironically, he professes to care so much.
Posted by: Fred | Apr 10, 2008 2:02:24 PM
Obama's attitude seems to be "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Care." Anyone who thinks it won't be politics as usual with this guy in charge is dreaming.
Posted by: JETRout | Apr 10, 2008 2:02:40 PM
Obama's attitude seems to be "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Care." Anyone who thinks it won't be politics as usual with this guy in charge is dreaming.
Posted by: JETrout | Apr 10, 2008 2:06:45 PM



