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Bill Clinton Joins Hillary Chorus Reaffirming Call for Two Oregon Debates
April 26, 2008 11:11 AM
ABC News' Sarah Amos reports: In case the people of Oregon weren't entirely sure how badly Sen. Hillary Clinton wants another chance to debate her Democratic opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, President Bill Clinton was in town Friday to remind voters about just that fact. Campaigning in the small coastal community of North Bend, the former commander in chief pointed out how badly Hillary wants not just one, but two Oregon debates.
"I wish that we could have debates on all this," Clinton told the crowd during one of his long policy discussions. "And Hillary has proposed that Oregon should have two debates, one on the issues generally and one on you, on rural life in America today and what should be done. And if you agree you oughta make your feelings known, either on her Web site or some other way," Clinton said.
The push for another debate is just the latest in a long line of subtle, and not so subtle, hints Hillary, Bill and every other surrogate they can find have been laying down on the campaign trail. Sen. Clinton has put forth debate challenges in North Carolina, Indiana and Oregon, for those keeping count.
The former president spoke to a packed high school gymnasium in the coastal Oregon community. It had been more than 40 years since anything related to presidential politics had rolled through their neck of the woods, and the crowd was clearly excited to be a part of the never-ending presidential story line.
Clinton has been accused of many things during the course of this campaign season, but not knowing his audience rarely leads the list of charges. Friday night was a perfect example of why Clinton can connect with almost any American, as he launched into an in-depth discussion on the fishery issues that plague the Northwest.
"Now the administration has taken a curiously hands-off position on this while the salmon population keeps going down. I don't know if you remember this, but this started eight or nine years ago when I was president. There was a weird coalition of salmon fishermen in Washington and Oregon and Canada against Alaska because the population was moving so far north. We gotta bring back the population, it's gotta be the product of a stakeholder decision that you make. If you can get everybody together, which she will try to do, and convene people, she will support whatever comes out of involving all the stakeholders to bring the population back. This is a worldwide problem. Ninety percent of the world's fishing centers are understocked today. And fish are the main source of protein for poor people all over the world. This is a global crisis that you have a bad local case of. And she is determined to work with you to resolve it and reverse it," said Clinton, earning a thunderous applause from the audience.
But perhaps the loudest applause of the night came not from Clinton's words, but from his actions. The combination of Clinton's hour-long speech and a gym packed full of warm bodies was more heat than many in the room could handle -- former president included.
"You won't be offended if I take my coat off, will you?" Clinton asked the crowd as he tossed off his suit coat in the middle of his speech. The audience erupted into a mixture of applause, laughter and inaudible catcalls that only Clinton himself seemed to hear.
"You oughta.... That's not good," a chuckling Clinton said in response.
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NO MORE FREAKING DEBATES!!!!!
Posted by: FOLLOWINGtheRULES | Apr 26, 2008 11:30:24 AM
Wise up ,the reason she wants debates she is out of money and this is FREE air time....Same ole crap lets move on and they each tell their tales by themselves....Billy can go home>>>>>>
Posted by: h | Apr 26, 2008 11:34:46 AM
21 debates I think is more than plenty.
Posted by: CC | Apr 26, 2008 11:36:56 AM
Wishfull thinking on the Clintons part.
there won't be and OR Contest. This thing is over in two weeks, which ever way it goes.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | Apr 26, 2008 11:39:06 AM
She's broke.
Free air time.
Sad.
Posted by: Dann | Apr 26, 2008 11:39:39 AM
There have been a lot of debates, I have watched them all...That being said, there haven't been that many with just Obama and Clinton, the earlier ones didn't really count in my opinion as they were usually just playing nice, and they didn't showcase the ineptitude of Obama. Clinton has put up with endless character assassination, bias, and just mean spirited treatment in debates and interviews. No one was ruder than Chris Matthews and Tim Russert. But Obama gets the gloves off treatment just one time, and he runs away like a scared rabbit. Personally, I want to know how a candidate reacts under pressure and in a hostile environment, I don't want to wait until he is meeting with Iran to see if he is immature enough to show his unease with finger gesturing or platitudes. Mr. Obama needs to grow up, he acts like a petulant child when things don't go his way.
Posted by: dwc | Apr 26, 2008 11:44:09 AM
They have only had three or four debates against each other.
That's not enough.
Debates with ten people in them a year ago don't count.
He is not going to be able to say inthe general he wont debate.
It's another electability issue.
Posted by: s.b. | Apr 26, 2008 11:46:12 AM
FRESH FROM UPI:
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's avoidance of future primary debates shows he wants to engage voters rather than discuss policy, observers say.
Posted by: Aston | Apr 26, 2008 11:50:42 AM
Democrats: Nominate Obama. Please!
Then, let the circus begin.
Posted by: A | Apr 26, 2008 12:12:26 PM
This race has always been Hillary's to lose and she has done well at that since last fall...lost points in every campaign so far. Do you really think this woman can successfully carry on a winning campaign or be an effective leader? The Clintons don't care about the party or the issues. They care about themselves. They will bring down the party. Nod, Nod, Nod.
Why do people who like Hillary always seem to go to non-issues to dis Obama? Talk about Africa or lapel pins. This election is too important for that.
Posted by: Wagthedog1001 | Apr 26, 2008 12:24:27 PM
As an Obama supporter, I wish he would agree to a debate
But I don't fault him for not wanting to
Unless there's an arrangement of sticking to the issues...
Posted by: Vanessa | Apr 26, 2008 12:25:22 PM
Folks are looking to nominate a Leader not a Fighter.
Hillary likes to fight a lot, and this is really typical old politics!
Why can't she use the time and try to eliminate her highest unfavourable ratings of any nominee in a half a century!
Posted by: Peace | Apr 26, 2008 12:29:34 PM
Hillary needs to stop with the negativity. Even PA voters that supported her felt she was taking it too far. Follow Obama's lead and rise above the cheap political shots. If it goes on then McCain and the GOP will waltz into the White House and we will have another 4 years of blatant corporate greed in the White House and 100 years of our troops in Iraq.
Posted by: Kdem | Apr 26, 2008 12:34:25 PM
If he is scared to debate, so be it. It is understandable because Hillary beats Obama every time.
But the electorate does deserve to hear more about plans to turn the economy around. It deserves to hear the rationale for these plans and a chance to evaluate the strength of character of each candidate.
Make no mistake: the next four years will be hard and require tough mindedness from the chief executive. Sober voters should be stepping back and looking critically at the candidates from all sides and asking who the best hire is. It sounds trite but as someone who leads a team and has to make the hiring decisions, I can say with confidence, these are the most important decisions I make. Get it right and my company prospers. Get it wrong and we fail drop by drop.
Get it right.
Posted by: len | Apr 26, 2008 12:37:29 PM
NEVER rule a Clinton out.
Funds might be down, but she has a remarkable ability to raise them back up again.
She's a "never say die" candidate alright.
We need a President like that. Not one that talks to Ahmedinedjad willy-nilly.
Posted by: John Laws | Apr 26, 2008 12:39:30 PM
Why are people so concerned about "the issues"? Don't you realize the all these empty promises by all the candidates will go by the wayside? The world turns on money, and politicians and even laws are powerless to stop it.
Posted by: xray | Apr 26, 2008 12:43:10 PM
I've bad sobering news for you, Peace. We need a fighter who leads from the front. When making a hiring decision, if I detect elitism or 'too smart to work hard for you' in an interview, that person is checked off the list no matter how good their degrees are. An elitist does more damage to the team than any other kind of puffed up loafer. I can find work for the middle guy, but the guy that is too good to work can't be useful in any way.
Two things I look for:
1. When I propose a problem scenario, they come back with a reasonable answer. If they don't have an answer, they tell me that too.
2. When I ask why they are applying if they have a good job, they tell me they can do better. If I know the place they are working is abusive and they say they would rather work more for less money than get more money but put up with abuse, I put them at the top of the list. Nothing is better than a junkyard dog in an alley fight.
So far, nothing Obama has said or done makes me think he can take the pressure, or will fight when the fight is mean and it hurts. He glides. We don't need a glider. We need a slugger.
Posted by: len | Apr 26, 2008 12:43:42 PM
I know Hillary needs the coverage due to money problems, but really people in Oregon have TVs and computers I hope;and have seen enough debates.After 16 months and 21 debates,if you don't know who you support by now then stay home on election day! believe me she will find other ways to continue to try and bloody Obama up.
PLEASE NO MORE DEBATES!
Obama 08!
Posted by: merle7 | Apr 26, 2008 12:56:22 PM
Irrespective of whether Obama is queried about "the issues" or his personal associations and values in a debate, he loses. When asked about issues, he stumbles, stammers, and contradicts himself. In many instances, he flat out doesn't know the answer. If asked about his nefarious friends or family, he dismisses the question or lies. It's no big surprise he doesn't want another debate. He can't handle another debate, and he certainly can't handle the presidency.
There's only one democratic candidate who can, Hillary.
Posted by: Emily | Apr 26, 2008 1:00:45 PM
No more debates! I want to see the candidates in person not answering idiotic questions from the snarky media people with their own agendas! Please spare us Debates- they aren't even real. Wouldn't you rather go to a Town Hall meeting??
Posted by: Lisa | Apr 26, 2008 1:13:51 PM
Debate! What is he afraid of? Looking like a fool AGAIN? He can't handle debates with Hillary because he can't think on his feet, he can't give specifics like she can, and he stumbles over his words and makes a laughingstock of himself. DEBATE!
Posted by: James | Apr 26, 2008 1:18:18 PM
its obvious mr obama lacks confidence in himself, he tries to not look it with his 'chin in the air' pose. lol He does not have what it takes to win the presidency which explains even after outspending Hillary 4-1 he still cannot seal the deal
Posted by: andrea | Apr 26, 2008 1:24:50 PM
Clinton more of the old politics someone noted above? Clinton is a realist people... Obama claims to be above politics as though it's a dirty game. He was called on it yesterday by his spiritual advisor, the racist Reverend Wright. Wright noted that Obama is pandering like a normal politician. And anyone who thinks Obama is nothing more than a Daleyesque Chicago Political player should look closely at a Slate article "No We Can't" which describes in detail all of Obama's backroom dealings to suppress a redo vote in Michigan (you know the one that Governor Corzine, Ed Rendell, and James Carville offered to pay for out of their own pocket.) Obama is not a viable candidate in the big swing states. He will be swift-boated to death. This guy has no street-cred, he can't even knock out a 60 year old woman. GO HILLARY!
Posted by: charles | Apr 26, 2008 1:43:35 PM
meant to say "something more than a Daleyesque Chicago political player"
Posted by: charles | Apr 26, 2008 1:51:17 PM
WHY Obama doesn't want to debate???
The answer is very simple...he is afraid of showing to the American people that he really has nothing, NADA!
but repeating himself on boring speeches, aren't you tired already?
Finally, candidates should debate in every state they run, voters have the right to listen to proposed solutions to their local issues and candidates should take debates as a privilege to make their case before the american people. Don't run away Obama...it would be a shame !
Posted by: John Sutter | Apr 26, 2008 1:52:00 PM
WHY Obama doesn't want to debate???
The answer is very simple...he is afraid of showing to the American people that he really has nothing, NADA!
but repeating himself on boring speeches, aren't you tired already?
Finally, candidates should debate in every state they run, voters have the right to listen to proposed solutions to their local issues and candidates should take debates as a privilege to make their case before the american people. Don't run away Obama...it would be a shame !
Posted by: John Sutter | Apr 26, 2008 1:52:25 PM
So what's all this about seal the deal or delivering a knockout punch? Who was the overwhelming favorite to win the nomination by Super Tuesday? And with all her name recognition and influence why couldn't she deliver a knockout punch to the young senator from Illinois?
Posted by: xray | Apr 26, 2008 1:56:16 PM
Obama is the scariest thing that
every happened to me...
Go Hillary 08!!
Posted by: egg | Apr 26, 2008 2:15:03 PM
Frankly, Obama is not qualified to
be more than a legal assistant...
He is way over his head...
Posted by: eve | Apr 26, 2008 2:16:36 PM
Obama doesnt want debates because is ahead, AND he isnt much good at them.
If Obama thought he could put Clinton away by debating, he would.
If Clinton was ahead, she would try to STALL debates, but Im sorry, she would REJECT debates outright.
I think Obama should agree to 2 more debates and simply act friendly in them. It wont hurt him.
Posted by: tomdavie | Apr 26, 2008 2:25:09 PM
I'm a loyal democrat pledged to campaign against HIllary in november if she manages to win this nomination!
Posted by: Susan | Apr 26, 2008 2:29:54 PM
NO MORE FREE AD FOR THE CLINTONS!
LET THE CLINTONS USE THEIR OWN $100 MILLION TO BUY TV SPOTS! LOL
IF THE CLINTONS DESIRE IT, THEN IT CAN'T BE GOOD FOR ANYONE, CAN'T BE GOOD OR HER OPPONENT!
Posted by: New Yorker | Apr 26, 2008 3:03:01 PM
Cry me a river, she had her chance; We don't need more talking points for John McCain. Jeez, just how much help are the Democrats willing to give the GOP? I mean these are the same fools who gave Bush not one, but TWO terms, with his horrible record. I'm sick and tired of Pelosi, Reid, and all the other DINO's rolling over to the whim of Bush and the GOP. Remember the days when there actually was an oppostiton party!?! And yet, nobody will vote for a third party canidate. That's fine, just waste your vote with these two corrupt ones, and all will be well somehow. (NOT!)
Posted by: Zdnet | Apr 26, 2008 3:32:24 PM
I think that both parties involved should debate ..
We should remember that this is the presidental election people . Not who's most popular in your high school contest !
Remember we have been stuck with the most popular votee for the last 8 years , not the best man/woman for the job but he was popular.
Hillary 08
Posted by: Dan Heinsohn | Apr 26, 2008 6:07:13 PM
Gino... I don't know whether to laugh or cry...So only white people and god can make laws with compassion! The white people know the black's mentality? This is so sad i just don't know what to say.
Posted by: linda anderson | Apr 26, 2008 6:28:58 PM
Obama will be labeled as a big loser if accepted to this free style debates. It is obvious that Obama is not smart enough to debate with Clinton.
Posted by: Danh nguyen | Apr 26, 2008 7:50:01 PM
Who says winning a debate makes you the best leader of the free world? Hillary is a pitbull that will lie, cheat and mix truth with lies like the devil. She may 'win' a debate with a buch of dweebs that think bullies should run the world, but is that what we need? Do we need another paranoid Nixon with a multitude of scores to settle and a meglomanic need to dominate? Obama is the only candidate that can restore America's international image (and hence, economy). Hillary can only make it worse, much, much worse.
Posted by: Rene Caron | Apr 26, 2008 10:11:12 PM
I am an obama fan and I say that I am more interested in the issues than in them pandering to get my vote. Hillary says things to twist the minds of her supporters but she is turning off a lot of people in the process. We need to be unifie sin the end and that cant happen if they are tearing each other down. bullies never win. hillary should learn that.
Posted by: shea | Apr 26, 2008 10:22:00 PM
WHO CARES WHAT BILL CLINTON THINKS
He's a paid spokesman for any man/company/government that will donate six figures to his wallet. Really sick of him and his obnoxious wife
Posted by: John Tolliver | Apr 26, 2008 11:42:16 PM
The Clintons made $109 million and counting. Who said they ar broke!!!
Clinton wants to debate because she wants to show the voters who is the best candidate!!
If Obama thinks he is the best candidate the show up for debate.
Obama is scared of Hillary.
Hillary 08!!
Posted by: jt | Apr 27, 2008 12:07:40 AM
John Mccain has life time experience.
Clinton has very real good experience, but Obama has less exprience. That is why he afraid of.
Bite Obama 08 (no Exprience => huge bite election in 08)
Posted by: bite election 08 | Apr 27, 2008 12:39:35 AM
Hes already said he would do one after may 6th. if the campaign is still going then he'll do one if she loses both primaries then shes gonna be forced out or at least bows out(not likely)
Posted by: Allamr18 | Apr 27, 2008 12:41:56 AM
Amazing how ugly things have gotten in the democratic primary race. Why do we need to hear another debate. Clinton and Obama have basically the same policy positions, so all that's left is the 3 ring circus which has pervaded the last few debates.
Enough is enough!! I wouldn't debate Hillary Clinton if I were him. He can wrap up the nomination with out getting into a fight with her.
Hillary Clinton is the bully in the playground that hits you below the belt and pour salt in your wounds, and then brings here older brother over to finish you off. Haven't you noticed that Bill Clinton has more visibility than her. I really don't understand why Woman and working class people are voting for her. She is the one with the elite back ground and by pushing Bill, the ex-president of the United States at the fore front of her campaign she's saying that she is not a strong enough woman to stand on her own two feet.
She is the one who is not electable. With her Karl Rovian tactics, is she a Republican or Democrat. Because if she's trying to prove that she and John McCain are two peas in a pod, then I guarantee that see will lose, she's not the war hero or a man.
Posted by: Michael | Apr 27, 2008 1:00:33 AM
JT,
I agree with you.
BTW, Mr Clinton is rock today.
Posted by: crisis08 | Apr 27, 2008 2:30:38 AM
Don't give the clintons an inch because they will take a mile = these are some sleazy, crafty, cunning folks and there is something up their sleeve you bet to get more votes by hook or by crook by embarrssomg Obama furthe. There has been enough debates. Debates have lost their honor and integrity thanks to her. The trust is gone.
Posted by: Sherrie | Apr 27, 2008 6:18:39 AM
What is there to debate on. What was there to debate on 21 times. Both have put their plans on all issues and if anyone didn't get it yet in 21 rounds, then there is something wrong in his mind or in the mindset of the individual including Hillary herself. It is in fact an insult to voters to claim that they didn't get it yet. Bad, dirty politics a la Clintons
Posted by: Samy | Apr 27, 2008 7:34:23 AM
JUST REPLAY THE 21 DEBATES AND ALLOW THEM TO GO ON WITH THEIR CAMPAIGNING. MAY THE BEST MAN WIN. THEY ARE JUST REPEATING THE SAME OLD STUFF.
Posted by: john | Apr 27, 2008 7:54:22 AM
Hillary is broke - she need free air time to keep her campaign aflow. Barack please don't give her the time of day. Hillary is dividing the party.
Posted by: Deborah | Apr 27, 2008 2:37:56 PM
Bill Clinton, go back to your hole and don't come out again. Nobody wants to hear from you again. Just like you did way back when, you've ruined the election this cycle around. Give your wife a fighting chance and keep your big trap shut!
Posted by: J. T. Bigglesworth | Apr 27, 2008 4:28:08 PM
Bill is running hard for his third term in the White House.
Posted by: dotheresearch | Apr 27, 2008 4:31:15 PM
Bill and Hillary are looking mighty desperate these days. Bill has been wagging his finger constantly. He's no statesman, that's for sure. He has displayed some of the most unbecoming behavior I've ever seen of a former President.
Posted by: Dee | Apr 27, 2008 5:07:51 PM
Obama could have taken the low road as Hillary did in many of the debates but chose not to. He could have called her on her ties to Norman Hsu, he could have called her on the missing billing records that mysteriously turned up in the WH, he could have embarrassed her on Bosnia two debates ago but had too much class to do so. Hillary is down in the gutter with Carville, Begala, Wolfson and the rest of the Arkansas swamp dwellers.
Posted by: Dee | Apr 27, 2008 5:11:28 PM
I think Senator Obama needs to debate in the moderator free format. He needs to give Senator Clinton supporters reasons to vote for him should he be the nominee. And visa versa. Remember there are large percentages of voters who will move over to McCain if their Democratic candidate isn't the nominee.
Posted by: Christine | Apr 27, 2008 5:24:26 PM
21 debates are more than enough. I agree with Obama, it's better to spend time answering questions from ordinary Americans than from Clinton's surrogates desguised as journalists.
Posted by: May | Apr 27, 2008 7:01:38 PM
whaen i saw obama wipe his shoulders the other day. that showed me how arrogant he was. cocky!! bring bill and hill back to the whitehouse again!!! bill can straighten the foreign policy bush has screwed up.
Posted by: michelle | Apr 27, 2008 8:22:24 PM
NO MORE FREAKING DEBATES! Get on with the issues! Talk to the people! The Clintons are continuing to prove how divisive, dirty and power hungry they are. Hilary wants to win at any cost, een if it destroys the party, but no one person is bigger than the party. It is sad, oh so sad, that they have to sink to such a low form of campaigning to destroy another human being. For What! Hilary has to win at any cost to show and tell the world that she was the one who ran the country for 8 years, not Bill!
Posted by: exatlantic | Apr 28, 2008 2:38:39 AM
We have had 7 years of Government Approved Media Coverage.
We NEED VIGOROUS DEBATES!
KEEP THEM COMING!
The next president must be throughly veted.
Anyone who is tired of debates needs to get some more sleep.
Posted by: Big Bill | Apr 28, 2008 12:10:17 PM
Big Bill;
First of all these are Not Debates!
These are a series of separate
interviews revolving around TV Ads!
A true debate would be what
Hillary Clinton is proposing with
the candidates asking questions of each other and responding!
The moderator should only be there to prevent a candidate from fillibustering
an answer and taking up all of the time!
This should hev been done at the beginning! People are bored now as they should be!
Hopefully the debates in the general election will be one on one with the
networks not choosing the topics or
having their moderators ask the questions!
Posted by: reaganfan | Apr 28, 2008 1:15:52 PM
Am I alone in wishing that Bill would realize that he's already run his races and his time is over and now it's time for him to go home and knit or something?
Funny how he keeps making these major misstatements that are offensive and wrong but yet, he still gets almost as much airtime as his wife.
Are they running as a 2-for-1? I don't see HRC as needing WJC to speak for her so why doesn't she send him home?
Posted by: nynyoutlaw | Apr 28, 2008 9:01:45 PM
dwc- I think you have misspoken, easy to see you have been listening to Hillary too much, Hillary is the one doing the character assassination. She has done nothing to help the democrats and is a selfish bag who cares nothing about anyone other than herself, all the lies she has told and yes, I believe she is out to win any way she can and if that includes crawling thru the grass like the snake that she is, she will do it. Talk about slinging mud, she is a joke. Her husband Billy did nothing to help this country, he opened up the trade agreement which has led to our weak dollar and major losses of jobs. open up your eyes and see the big picture, Hillary has done nothing but whine and complain this whole campaign about how she is being treated unfairly, so who is the real child? Hillary!!
Posted by: Lilcntrydarling | Apr 29, 2008 9:16:55 AM
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