I know what Hillary is talking about the plan our goverment workers have is tops and the cost is low and with Edwards as her cabinet level poverty person it will be good for all.Obama will leave out people but make Mothers and Fathers insure thier children much mor costlier and manatory and if you have an accident and show up at a hosp. you will be fined and charged xtra cost.

Again the devil is in the details> Give us the details. How much does cost? What will it cover? Will it allow us the drugs of Choice? How affordable? Wage garnishment given to whom, private insurance companies? Any caps on fees to doctors, hospitals, ect.

Too many questions for me to be for it or against it. She promises alot for someone who says it is tough work.

Do and Bill and Hillary really expect their plan to pass? Now we all know that it won't.

Bull Bill? hmmmm...... this whole capaign is bull.

So, Obama's lost his credibility. No longer "transparent", "transcending" and certainly not "transformative".

What does he have left? Oh yeah, he's the black candidate who's trying to bully his way into the presidency.

Bill has to be reasonable, the plan is being implemented in Mass. and it has not worked, this kind of plan will work only under a Communist Regime that is where the HillCare will be implemented but in that case Castro is paying for everybody and Hill wants everybody to pay for him/herself. A state managed health care delivery system in a capitalistic society is a faillure. Hill the Bosnian General has missed it again. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.

Government for all

You seems to miss the point this is about Hillary's mandatory health care plan.

Obama's slander - because that's what it is - reminds me of comments I heard yesterday by that literal and figurative midget Robert Reich full of faux indignation about Clinton. What a creep he is.

For him to sidle up to Obama knowing that this mailer raises false fears - shame on him and Obama. These two creeps deserve each other.

Hillary's healthcare plan makes a lot of sense... and Bill is right that everyone needs to participate to make health insurance more economical. Obama's plan looks like more of the same of what we already have... disfunctional "voluntary" insurance coverage... but with added problems (mandatory insurance for all children into their 20s... and hefty penalties for using the emergency room without having insurance).

John and Elizabeth Edwards support Hillary's proposed plan because it is virtually the same as the one John Edwards proposed... and apparently Obama got into a tiff with Elizabeth over the plan itself. Everytime Obama attacks Hillary's plan, he is attacking the Edwards. An Edwards endorsement for Hillary before North Carolina sure would be nice. He already pushed healthcare again on the Stephen Colbert show where Hillary also appeared.

What slander this is about health care plans. How does one slander a health care plan?

Really lets be sensible here

Obama's health care plan has mandates too..
Every parent of a child under 18 is mandated to cover them.

It's like Elizabeth Edwards says...if you don't make it Universal you can't reduce costs.

I hope the people of PA aren't fooled by this guys massive negative ad campaign......I'm keeping the faith that they stand up to the public relations and marketing campaign....

Fear? HA. Again what does it cost me, and my wife? What does it cover? What are the restrictions on drugs? What does it cover?

I hear how wonderful it is, but what is it?

Lets see the plan. It doesn't matter what these guys say about their plans, Hillary or Obama, they have to get it through congress, the people have to buy into it.

All this talk of plans are ridiculous at this time.

You guys do realize that if Clinton is proposing that premiums be taken out of people paychecks mandatory if they dont have insurance, it works the same as a tax. I understand and appreciate the idea. But the fact of the matter, Republicans will be in arms over this. They will not let this pass the congress.

And im pretty sure some dems will fight this too. It has a high chance of failure. So then what happens?

I wonder what the Edwards think of Obama slandering Clinton's plan.

p.s., I'll use the word slander if I want to. You and everybody else get the point.

Obama's desperate and it seems like he's about to self-immolate.

Well I have done some checking on Mass. Health Plane they have a Gold, Silver Bronz, and young adult plan. I am willing to bet that the poor will have the bronz plan $10,000 decutable. 35% co pay for hospital stays.

Again let us see the plan. In my opinion this isn't going to work.

Her other plan failed too.She has no clue as to what this country needs for she never has to worry about her ,she is covered and has the best of medicine.Now she took from Insurance companies $800.000 for not pushing anymore medical ideas when the one she tried failed $800.000 and this is in her blind trust you have not seen and won't until they win and if they win you will never see it unless someone demands to...

all in all Hillary's plan is so out of touch with the general American public that once again we won't get anything because she is just like GW ...all or nothing and use power to try and force your opponents to succumb...

guess what it hasn't worked and all she is goign to do is give them fodder to go to their corners again.

If she learned from the first time she failed...she would realize many people need help now... it is about cost... bring down the cost and more people will get it ...insurance is a priority...if the cost comes down we get one step closer to universal coverage being able to be adapted into a system that is ready to switch...

To try and force a bureaucracy this size with this system that we have will make costs go up ...positively...and then when it fails we are left worse off then we were.

No the biggest problem will be the ladders of coverage. Great coverage for those who can afford it, and poor coverage for the rest. Again this is a Republican style of legislation, funneling money to a private organization who do not have really compete. In fact it is price fixing sanctioned by the government.

Hillary Clinton blamed George Bush and his tax cuts for the Al Qaeda attacks on America, in an interview with CNN.

As the New York Senator, Hillary Clinton did not visit ANY of the New York funerals of the thousands who died in the attacks, nor did she visit ONE of the thousands of New York families who were devastated by their personal losses.

Unfortunately any country that has mandated health coverage be successful has not for profit insurance companies.
Hillary's plan lets the private insurance industry continue to make large profits - not exactly the way to go.

Sara,

They also have not for profit hospitals, set doctor, and drug fees. In other words they have to compete to stay in business, save their jobs if you will.

Paul

so what?

This about Health Care.

This from the fountain of BS himself !

Supporters of both candidates are, with few exceptions, speaking with what I term "comment rage". This contest needs to continue until either HRC or BO decides to withdraw. They will eventually unite to attempt to defeat John McCain as they are both politicians. The real question is: Will the "rage" continue among supporters or will they also realize that John McCain must be defeated in November?

""I just got a briefing before I came in here on all the radio ads and mailings that Sen. Obama’s sending out in this, uh, positive campaign," said Clinton with a sarcastic chuckle."

Haha.
Obama has alienated so many people through his slander of Hillary, and his arrogance and numerous lies throughout this campaign. The Obama campaign is most negative one out there. Bill is right.

In '92 she took the health care portfolio and as I recall, because of personality, secrecy, and honesty issues, she didn't do well. She did manage to give us HMO's however.
She now has a detailed plan- detailed- based on the Massachusetts plan enacted by Mitt Romney. Unbelievable.

What will her plan do for veterans? Will they have to pay too? She needs to explain the details. If you support her plan without the details I have to challenge your judgement. I personally do not want to be part of any mandatory plan.

THE CLINTONS ARE BULL.

SOCIALIZED MEDICINE ONLY WORKS IN A SOCIALIST ECONOMY.

With universal heathcare, the insurance company can't cancel your plan when you are sick.

Elizabeth Edwards already said publicly that she has more confident in HRC plan than BO.

Elizabeth Edwards says that Clinton's Health Care plan is the best because it covers everyone.
Obama is wrong to actual put lies into mailers and send them to the people of PA. Health Care is about saving people's lives - Obama is acting shameful.

THEY WERE RUN OUT OF ARKANSAS.

WHY?

THE BIGGEST LIARS IN THAT STATE.

NEXT NEW YORK WILL RUN THEM OUT.

THEY'LL PROBABLY END UP IN ENGLAND, NEXT, WHINING.

I don't have faith in any of the plans, I certainly do not want to buy into something I see as a scam. I do not care who is for it Edwards, Clinton, or Obama

Bill Clinton's claim that every expert has signed off on the plan and that it works is a LIE. Nearly 50% of the same experts Clinton mentions argued that the plan would force families to pay higher out of pocket costs as a result of NOT being able to provide universal health coverage because their is no incentive to force people who have good health care coverage to get it, and that there is no mechanism to enforce obtaining it. The Clinton Plan needs EVERYONE to obtain it to keep the cost artifically low. Problem is, not all Americans are going to want to get the plan, in which case, the costs cannot be kept artifically low, and forcing someone to buy something they don't want is...unAmerican.

Bill Clinton's claim that every expert has signed off on the plan and that it works is a LIE. Nearly 50% of the same experts Clinton mentions argued that the plan would force families to pay higher out of pocket costs as a result of NOT being able to provide universal health coverage because their is no incentive to force people who have good health care coverage to get it, and that there is no mechanism to enforce obtaining it. The Clinton Plan needs EVERYONE to obtain it to keep the cost artifically low. Problem is, not all Americans are going to want to get the plan, in which case, the costs cannot be kept artifically low, and forcing someone to buy something they don't want is...unAmerican.

At the end of the day what is bull is the idea that hillary's plan would ever pass. Thats the point. I think the clintons are a little too happy to give us this great plan that would never pass and quietly set the plan once in the white house like the last time. Obama's plan is more realistic. And for Bill to even compare Hillary's plan to the systems in Europe is nonsensical. In fact that would only work on people who have no knowledge of the differences.

I can't wait to see the Clinton campaign bite the dust and get off our daily lives. Not only do we have to listen to Hillary's lies, we are forced to listen to bull from Bill also. He has proved time and again that he is a skirt chaser and a bigtime liar. He lied to his family, he lied to the American people, and he is at it again. Even after Hillary admitted that the sniper fire story was a fabrication and she misspoke, Bill goes around claiming she was actually encountering sniper fire and the opponents are to be blamed for that story. What a crook and a pathological liar. Now he wants people to think that Hillary's healthcare plan is good for them. She couldn't get any healthcare reform for New York while she was a senator for the state for the past 7 years. Do you think she will have any luck in getting anything done with her finger pointing at the republicans for everything wrong with our system? I think not. The Clintons have amassed so much money, most of it by pandering and selling out our government to pharmaceutical companies. How is Hillary oing to disassociate herself from that.

Just the fiasco of the Columbian trade pact should be a warning to voters about the two faces of the Clintons. Hillary wants votes, so she talks as if she does not support the Columbian trade pact. At the same time Bill Clinton is getting an award from the Columbian lobbyists for his service to them in pushing the Columbian trade agreement through the lobbyists to congress. At the same time Chelsea Clinton who is working in the financial institution is probably involved in it too in stashing the lobbying money into safe accounts in the Caymen islands away from the eyes of the American people.

Think about this family getting to run our country again. it will b worse than the way some dictators run other communist countries.

Neither Obama or Clinton can get there plans adpoted unless it is supported by congress. Most people agree that Obama's plan will be the best plan to be able to get approved by congress, which still requires Dems or Reps. Things are about comprimses.

Obama supporters are 'highly educated', 'fund managers', 'latte drikers'. They have plenty money. What do they need to worry about costs or coverages of health care. They only think you 15 million poor bitter people don't get sick and don't need to have health care in his plan.

Carolyn: Good point. Wow, Hillary, that sounds great, I can't wait to go to Walter Reed for my next check-up, they have such a wonderful reputation. You know what? In retrospect, she may be right, everyone will have universal healthcare and it will be cheap because everyone will be scared to death going to the doctor. And how do you think an even distribution of wealth from this plan is going to work? By dealing with insurance companies and hospitals and forcing people to go to hacks who are or have been censured by the same AMA boards that are supposed to protect you. Anyone hear the stories about the CA plastic surgeon that operated while he was drunk...that he had been a chronic alcoholic and that because he was in a treatment program and admitted his addiction he was allowed to continue performing surgeries who ended up with severe scars and open wounds that hadn't healed in years? This was to protect those doctors who have aubstance abuse problems and to encourage doctors to seek treatment and maintain their livelihood. To the detriment of the patients. Anyone really think Hillary's universal healthcare plan is going to exclude these doctors from cashing in?

in response to nicole gina and others, i find it interesting that you would suggest that Hillary has given more details on her plan when she was in fact that last person to even release 'her' plan which was in fact just the edwards plan. Obama's plan is available on the web like everything else if you really want to see it. As much as I think a single payer plan would be better, it would never pass, and neither would the Clinton plan. Interestingly enough no one seems to be addressing the fact that the monstrous system we face today was largely constructed by the Clintons!

Does Hillary's Universal Health Care plan actually means that Hillary cares about the American people?

As the New York Senator, Hillary did not visit ANY of the New York funerals of the thousands who died in the attacks, nor did she visit even ONE of the thousands of New York families who were devastated by their personal losses.

So much for Hillary's care!

My husband recently had an 8 day stay at our local hospital and the bill for JUST the hospital stay was $160,000!!! Now, even with good insurance, what is 20% or 35% of that?!! And, how will any of us pay it? Neither plan means a hill of beans if someone doesn't do something about the outrageous amounts being charged by the hospitals, doctors, technicians, etc. Also, the President won't be implementing anything- only Congress can do that, and I'm sure either candidate would sign a bill for any plan that makes sense and helps Americans get coverage. We need to quit the infighting and concentrate on putting lots of Dems in Congressional seats to back up whichever candidate does make it. Both Clinton's are being very divisive and are ruining any goodwill they had left over from the 90's.

lazy: The Clinton plan needs ALL Americans...not just those without healthcare to enter the system in order to keep costs down, so as you disparage Obama supporters, who you falsely claim are only rich, latte drinkers and ask why they should care -- they should and do care because Hillary's plan needs their participation in the plan to work for everyone who doesn't have coverage.

Carolyn: Get a clue, in the Clinton plan if you dont want to use the plan (the same plan that senators and congressman get) YOU CAN KEEP YOUR OWN! And by the way Hillary Clinton won the Arkansas primary by 28 points - so much for being run out of Arkansas! The did elect Bill to three terms as governor!

No it doesn't make sense none of these plans make sense. The only thing that makes sense is to make all Hospitals Non profit, set limits on doctor fees and drug charges. It works in country after country. I am sick of this can't do attitude in America.

Any other plan is going to benifit those who can best afford it and hurt those who can't.

These plan are just fooling around on the issue.

BJean: sorry to hear about your husband. hope he soon recovers.

Man, this is freshing. Obama is thinking of passing legislations, health care plans. Problem is what makes you think he has any experience od passing any legislation in the congress? the only thing had his name attached was something handed to him by the leadership to help him for his resume. Maybe Hope will get it done.

HRC has the experience and record and ideas to work with both Demo and Rep in the senate. If you want all have health care, HRC has the solution. If you preffer latte and leave alone 15 million uncovered, and eventually paid by you by increased costs you have to pay, BO is you guy.

John in Cape May: I noticed you forgot to mention Bill Clinton also lost his bid for Governor -- while he was the incumbent.

John in Cap may

Same plan as congress gets?

You make me laugh

lazy: Hillary's plan is the same plan she tried to get through when she was First Lady and it didn't work then, how is it going to work now? And by the way I don't think she's exactly the kind of person that works well with others to make anything happen -- just look at her healthcare fiasco in the 1990's and at her campaign management today.

Hillary Clinton's solution to every single problem is handouts.

Her healthcare plan is simply unrealistic, and will never be passed in current form.

But it sure sounds nice to tell voters you're going to give them everything they need, that you're going to fight for them, blah blah blah. If you believe their BS, if you think the Clintons are different from the Bushes, then you deserve what you get when they're elected.

Obama's "positive" campaign ends when he needs to win points in Pennsylvania? LOL I wonder when he isn't winning what else he will do? Is he going to call Hillary and Bill "racist"? Oh wait, he has already done that. Maybe he'll call Hillary a liar and question her character. Wait, he has done that too. Well I just don't believe Mr. Obama has been telling people the tuth about his "uplifting" campaign.

Obama is a far left phony. Now that people know that, he will never win a General Election.

Health care insurance is a scam ,You pay into it for years, but if you get sick they cancel your insurance because you are sick.

Harley: Please provide details on when Sen. Obama called Bill and Hillary Clinton "racists" and when he called her a "liar". I've been following this campaign VERY closely and I've never heard that from him, and I was, until this week going to vote for her in PA. So if you have something that will change my mind, please give me a link.

there is nothing more socialist that making everyone buy ... EVERYONE BUY... a healthcare plan.

i like the idea of making it more affordable...

its not like i don't WANT to buy health insurance..

i just can't afford it.

gayle s.- I am sorry, I apologize. You are absolutely right, I forgot Obama's 90% base of voters who are not latte drinkers. They vote on his race, not his health plan, unless you convince me there is another reason a certain group of people of more than three persons can all agree on the same thing.

s. valenti:

really? i hadn't noticed he was black. i just thought he was someone who had some different ideas than the old ones. good or bad... and they are probably both... i just didn't notice the color thing.

funny thing that you did. isn't it?

Here are some things that may be worth considering:

1. Universal Health Care sounds great - just like Universal Birthday Cakes - but we cannot even afford Medicare and could not even get an increase SCHIP. So how again is this going to be possible? Seriously, are you going to mandate middle-income healthy people to get insurance they don't want to subsidize someone, who may out of their own lifestyle choices, become ill?

2. So, we cannot afford Universal Health Care. We can probably afford Universal Catastrophic Coverage. But maybe not either. Unless health care spending is reduced, eventually we couldn't afford that either. We need a healthier population.

3. But wouldn't Universal Health Care lead to a healthier population? Absolutely not! It might lead to a sicker population as a matter of fact. An interesting study in the Journal of the American Medical Society showed several years ago that with increasing providers of care, increasing amounts of unnecessary care would be given which could lead to more adverse events.

4. Consider that the greatest health benefits in the last century have come from: public sanitation, child labor laws, environmental controls, prenatal care, vaccinations, and smoking cessation programs. Want to save someone's life? Tell them to wear their seatbelt and eat a fruit instead of the Big Mac.

5. The chief beneficiaries of Universal Health Care are businesses. This is an economic issue for businesses, ask the Big 3, and getting healthcare off the books saves an immense amount of money.

Finally, consider that no matter what your stance on the Iraq war is, there is no way anything can be afforded here while we are burning money over there.

I have health care and DO NOT think I should have to pay for more or face a fine. BILL CLINTON is full of BULL and LIES like a rug!

Sorry, a couple typos in my last post: it was the Journal of the American Medical Association...

MIguy:

i wrote and produced a documentary on healthcare when Hilary was pushing her plan.

(i can't even begin to tell you what i found out about Hil when i was in the middle of that.

anyway... you just summed this issue up so much better than almost anyone else i talked to then.. or since.

Hillary believes she is smarter than everyone else, and when she says she'll be ready day one, she means that she is ready to cram her programs down our throats from day one.

Sorry Bill, giving ins cos, docs & pharms a free pass to generate more revenue from everyone won't reduce the cost. It may even raise it. Our system isn't health care, it is slash burn and poison emergency treatment. To actually reduce costs, more emphasis would need to be placed on diet, exercise, lowering stress and alternatives to drugs and surgeries.

gayle s. - I respect your opinion as it is, but if that is indeed what you truly believe or understand HRC's records in the senate, I hope - Hope - you could spend a few moments to check what she has done in the Senate and see how her husband's most vocal critics worked with her and think of her - on thing that demo and rep, for God sake, share common ground. if you really think her current and 1992 plans are the same, please spend some time check and read it. It will help us all avoid another gamble on another unprepared unkonwn. 8 years are enough on a gamble.

@drzoon:

Wow - thanks for the link. It's sad that no one and nothing can seem to control heathcare spending. The 'HMO solution' which was hot 15 years ago now turns out to have been a lark. The US is graded on metrics like life expectancy and child mortality that will not necessarily be improved with universal health care, but by more boring things like lifestyle choices. Doctors are blamed for how sick Americans are, rather than people blaming themselves for not eating right and not exercising enough.

Why did the Clinton's give us a good health care plan? When slick Willie was running the show.

When I checked all the plans from the beginning of the primaries, healthcare was the most important issue. Edwards had a good plan and Hillary's was about an even match. Even Elizabeth Edwards sees this.

During one of the debates, Obama let it slip that it is actually his plan that has the penalty. If you get sick and do not have health care, you will get a penalty in Obama's plan. He won't tell you that, but he subtly admitted it in the debate too. Just end up with an emergency and no health care and you will find out. Hillary's plan is subsidized and with everyone insured it brings the cost down. Not so for the Obama plan

On the issue of health care, repealing the tax would pay for health care. I guess some people think it is better to let the hospitals go bankrupt so nobody gets care. I lived under a system of shared responsibility and you didn’t even know how much was paid into healthcare plans, but everyone got great and fair treatment. They didn’t have to be stressed out about getting sick and losing everything they ever worked for. Also, a fair living wage goes along with the package. When all pay “some” in then the cost really comes down as well as fighting to get the costs down. If you think Obama’s plan is better, maybe you don’t know that he also has a penalty if you don’t buy insurance and end up getting sick and go to the hospital, even the kids. If leave some people out, who should that be? And if you leave some people out, the costs escalate again. The only reason that you don’t know about Obama’s penalty is that he is always vague about his plans. He let it slip in one of the debates. A fair living wage is part of the key. You have to break down the details of the plans, analyze and sythesize the information.

I have news for you, I lived in a country where everyone had access to healthcare. No one was denied and you did not have to worry about cost or losing everything you worked for. The fair living wage was what you took home, not like minimum wage. I mean a fair living wage that a family could live comfortably on without struggling with extra to go out and socialize with friends. Wages were much better and you didn’t even know about the tax structure because that was over and above the wage that you took home.

Pretty well all of Europe, plus Canada have universal health care. Are they all stupid, or are we the ignorant ones?

With all due respect, folks, please I know you feel adamantly about your positions but the name calling is inappropriate and off-topic.

This healthcare topic is really important and it will not be solved with anger. This is an American issue, not a political one. Medicare and Social Security are bankrupting the country (even without the Iraq war) and we must as a nation come up with a solution for our children and their children.

mkreyns:

specifics? you don't have ANY.

@mkreyns:

Without knowing the country you are describing, it is difficult to comment specifically (?one of the Scandinavian countries). Socialized systems of healthcare would probably not be accepted by the US population as a whole because of the inherent delay in diagnosis and treatment and the litigious nature of the US population. I am not saying that the system that you lived is not a good way to do things in that cultural setting, but rather that the US system would need major overhauling on many levels to be similar.

Theamericantaxpayer:

Clinton tried to get universal health care in 1993, but the insurance companies put ads on tv telling everyone that health care in the U.S. would go down hill. Well, we didn't get universal health care, and now the system is broken. Why, because the insurance companies are raking in billions as the middle man, and we, the public are getting the shaft.

It sounds like we got some doctors on this site. Are afraid. That somebody is going to come up with a health plan that will control their over priced billing of their patients. They want be able to rip the poor man off any more. They want be able to live the life of luxury.

Bill and Hillary were first ever to try for universal health care in 1993. Edwards, Obama, etc., are 15 years late. Where is all this hatred for Hillary coming from?

SO TIRED OF HILLARY'S LIES! GET OUT OF MY SIGHT PLEASE!!!!

WG:
I for one finally stayed awake during a debate. It was about time the media asked Obama about Rev. Wright; Bittergate: etc. He's been getting a free pass from the ultra liberal news media for months. I'm really surprised that a liberal network such as ABC finally asked the questions that everyone on the street has been asking. Good for you ABC!!!

@theamericantaxpayer:

A plan to deal with this has to happen. If you want to blame doctors - fine. But consider that Medicare has not really raised what they pay doctors for the last 10 years. In fact, generally reimbursements have decreased and as Medicare sinks further, laws are in place that basically guarantee cuts in reimbursement. There is a scheduled 10-15% cut in the next 6-12 months.

What will happen with these cuts? Healthcare personnel will lose their jobs and you'll have a longer wait to see your doctor and to be treated. So go ahead and blame people who spend 12 years or more after high school in school and training, are now generally in debt by $100,000 or more when they finish that training, and who spend countless nights awake fixing people - including many who will never pay a dime for the care they receive.

This is not about Hillary or Obama, this is about health care neither has the solution. The Us is behind the rest of the western world on this isssue, Time to wake up!

David -
She tried in 1993 and failed miserably. Why in the world would we want the one person who had an opportunity to really doing something - and yet FAILED miserably. She is either incompetent or in on the Big Money Insurance-Health Care Scam. I hate her because she represents everything that is wrong with politics - playing both sides of the fence, saying anything to get elected, lying, dissembling, parsing, pleading the case of the common man while raking in millions and millions of dollars. I hate her because she is a nepotist - the only reason any of us have ever heard her name is because she is married to a second-rate ex-president. I could list many more reasons, but these are big one.

Hillary says she'll make us buy it, but it's OK because she'll make it affordable. Affordable according to who? It would be based on income, but what if your income says you can afford it but your outstanding bills say you can't? What if you already have medical bills or school loans or credit card debt? They tried this in MA and it is he** on some people. There are people there who the state says can afford it, but the people can't pay for it. Now, they not only don't have health insurance, but they are also in hock to the state for a fat fine. And the fine renews itself every few months. If people can afford it, they'll buy it. You don't have to make it a law complete with punishment for non-compliance. Bill knows there will be people who fall through this crack and he's lying about it.

Why isn't ABC writing stories about how Clinton is only running for the votes of super delegates. She admittedly and whole heartedly does not believe that this election should be based on the popular vote of normal non-super-delegate citizens. Moreover, she bluntly states that the votes of ordinary citizens of the United States of America should not amount to any value whatsoever in this election. I heard her interviewed on NPR stating that pledged delegates who were appointed by elections in previous state primaries should ignore the vote of the people and vote for her regardless of percentages.

"Ken Thorpe, a health-policy expert at Emory University who has advised all three major Democrats, said he ran cost estimates for the Clinton plan at the Clinton campaign's request, and found there should be enough money to make insurance affordable for all." [Wall Street Journal, 12/5/07]

2. The advertisement also claims that that Hillary's plan would make people who fail to enroll "pay a penalty." Sen. Obama's own plan would fine parents who fail to enroll their children and he has said he will consider imposing penalties on people who don't enroll.

Hillary would consider a range of ideas, including automatic enrollment, to ensure everyone is covered. Sen. Obama's plan, would, experts agree, leave 15 million people out.

PBS has a special showing healthcare around the world and the only way it will work is if universal.