Ya if only Hillary could change the rules to her advantage, she'd be ahead.

And if only States with the work "NEW" in it counted, Hillary would be cruising.

It would be more telling to show the map of supports, couties that HRC won, compared to counties BO won, in primary states such as Ohio. HRC wiped out BO in Texas and Ohio. BO ended up gaining more delegates in Texas after losing essentially all counties, only because of the fundamentally flawd, undemocratic system of the so-called Democratic party. Thomas Jefferson probably is knocking his grave to come back to life to teach this bunch of idiots what one-person-one-vote means.

This nevertheless tells something about who is elitist, and who is connected to voters. It also shows the so-called delegates won by BO are just as phony as he is.

Lazy makes a point, but let's take it a bit farther.

How about all the states whose borders are formed at right angles be disqualified, excepting of course States with the word "New" in their names.

We should also disqualify states that start with the letter "W". "W" is bad after all because its the nickname of the current occupant of the whitehouse.

Oh ya, Caucus states are bad too, because the candidate that is the most likeable, with the most committed supporters and the best run organization wins.

These factors make Caucuses unfair. And so we should discount the Caucus states as well.

After some caucus states start with "W" and have borders form with right angles. THese states are doubly super bad and should not count.

There are at least things that should be changed.

1. The electoral college is out-dated, and incompatible with every aspect of life and technology of the 21st centuray. The constitution needs be amended.

2. The Democratic party had better get this act together to make its system of primary elections consistent with the general election.

If Obama can't win Penn, it proves again and again, he just can't win big states and just can win over white vote..

All he won so far are most black or red states because of his skin color and street organizor experience for caucus..

Tina, I agree...They are as bad as the worst of the Republicans...they'd fit right in.

Tina - if Clintons were republicans, it would have left the Democratic party with only one one-term president since LBJ. What a pity, it is so easy for you to forget. Perhaps, you are too young to remember.

Why are they always talking about changing the rules? Accept the rules, the Democratic party came up with them and you are Democrats aren't you?
Ridiculous to start talking about "only if...." The Clintons are trying to delegitimize the process and that is a slap in the face to the Democratic party.

AND GOP IS SO STUPID THAT THEY WOULD PREFER HILLARY AS THIER OPPONENT THAN OBAMA?

Bill thinks he was able to fool people once with his infamous lie people can be foold over and over.

Republicans want to run against Hillary because they think they have a better chance of winning. This morning Pat Buchanan said he thinks Obama would win against McCain. Republicans don't really like McCain

I trusted you once when you fooled me with your infamous lie.....but SORRY NOT ANYMORE...specially when you are campaigning for another liar like you.

Commander - Caucuses are fundamentally flawed and undemocratic because they do not allow, literally speaking, and do not give equal chance for all voters to participate, to vote. I have no problem with activists participation and enthusiam. The problem is that there is only this narrow 1 hour window, in the middle of night, such that workers at that shift do not have a chance. Older persons are too afraid to drive in the dark. Parents cannot leave kids home alone, or the police will go after them. and... I can go on to name 10 more reasons.

Obama got a bunch of 18 years old - nothing wrong with it, although they only knew he looks "cool" - to come out. If you can count on them coming out a second time, wait until the general election to see what percentage you will get.

right! I think she is better off in the republican negative ad machine... "If she does not like the heat, she should get out of the kitchen!" If she does not like the rules, move to republicans!

yeah, she'd be ahead by as many pledged delegates as Obama is now! If this is such a huge lead in Bill's hypothetical situation, why is it not such a huge lead in reality. The answer: because any situation where Hillary is losing is obviously incorrect!

Well it's not too late for Hillary to get out and change to the republican party,I hear McCain is looking for a vice president running mate. I think she would be much happier anyway. Please do the Democrats a favor!

McCain/Clinton 08!

I think president Clinton is right. Democrat party should change the rule in 2012 like republican to reflect with the general election. It is good for the party because the winner has more time to prepare for the general election.

If the Clintons are so obsessed with winning under republican rules, why not then just run for office as a republican? She sure sounds like one anyway. These two are unbelievable!

It always sounds funny to hear from the Clintons. If the rules are not in their favor, they are bad. And if they are in their favor they are then the best!

First it was popular vote, then big state then winner takes all, then Electoral Votes, now GOP system.

I have better idea:

Clinton's Enron election math!
1. If you don't count states with caucuses, she is winning almost as many states.

2. If you don't count delegates that were allocated by caucus, she is almost winning in delegates.
3. If you count states where SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE BALLOT, she is winning the popular vote! (Not anymore, She is waiting for PA, and then this claim be reinvented)
4. If you count Electoral Votes ONLY she is winning.
5. if you only count on Saturdays she is winning.
6. If you only count her delegates, she is winning.

So there you see, Hillary Clinton is winning.

Bill needs to stop WHINING about how the Dems do their system.

We've awakened, Mike, and we're turning our backs on you and your party.

The ABC math assumes that Hillary won Texas outright. She did not.

How about, Mr. President, instead of changing Democratic party rules 90% of the way into the contest to make the primaries more like the Electoral College...we just get rid of the Electoral College?

Sound good to everyone?

Ever noticed how at every point along the way, the Clintons have tried to explain their losses on the rules.

And the basketball team that loses by a score of 60 to 100 says it would have won if they had been playing golf.

If the rules had been different, then Obama and Clinton would have campaigned differently. They campiagned according to the rules of the game and Obama won.

If Obama can't win Penn, it proves again and again, he just can't win big states and just can't win over white vote..

All he won so far are most black or red states because of his skin color and street organizor experience for caucus..

WHAT STATES ARE BLACK STATES?? Your statement assumes that everyone who votes for Hillary WILL NOT vote for Obama but somehow those who vote for Obama will vote for Hillary.

How ridiculous! If Bill and Hillary found fault in the Democratic delegate allocation system, then they could have readily addressed that issue during the several years that their hand-picked DNC Head - Terry McCauliffe -- held the post. Of course, they did not address the system because they anticipated a quick end to the nominaiton under the prevaiiling rules. Further, if the rules had been winner-take-all, the Obama campaign would have implemented a strategy built around the w-t-a fromat.

She knew the rules before the campaigning began, and she failed to organize effectively in order to win. Bill Clinton can speak in all the hypotheticals he wants, it doesn't change the fact that his wife's campaign has pretty much been a disaster.

But what if instead of the Democrat OR Republican rules, the primaries had been run according to KLINGON election rules? In that case, Hillary would, indeed be ahead by 45,987 Kapturs, but Obama would have garnered 67.9 Zonal Points, adding significantly to his Worfdor Total!

The truth is if Clinton would have won 30 primaries & caucuses and Obama 14, the Clinton's would have forced him out already! Everyone would be screaming for him to drop out and would be calling him another Huckabee. The only reason this is still going on is because her last name is Clinton.

She's a disgrace!

Why is the story that Obama can't win Pennsylvania when the story should be Hillary can barely hold Pennsylvania. She had a 20 point lead, ffs!

Hillary should run as a Republican, and take tired, Slick Willy with her!
Hillary is a closet Republican anyway! They are both disgusting!

These are the same rules under which Bill Clinton won the Presidency.

MSNBC: Chomping down on sausage and waffles at Glider's Diner in Scranton today, with his Pennsylvania BFF (Sen. Bob Casey) at his side, Obama avoided commenting on former President Jimmy Carter's meeting with Hamas.

Asked by a reporter if he had heard that Carter reported a positive outcome from the meeting, Obama looked sternly at the reporter in question and said, "Why can't I just eat my waffle?"

Asked again by the reporter, Obama bit -- not at the question but into a butter covered bite of Glider's specialty over-size Belgian waffles. With a wink this time he said, "Just let me eat my waffle."

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Can you believe this?! What a boneheaded phony. I need to change my name - cannot be associated with BO any more, by name or by whatever.

The answer is obvious:

THEN LET HER JOIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

To put it bluntly, who cares? These aren't GOP primary rules. And last time I checked, Hillary was a Democrat. Although that's getting harder and harder to discern these days.

Leave it to a Clinton to say Democrats should follow the Republican leadership.

This stuff gets funnier all the time.

The facts:

No one is doubt Obama won black states because of his skin color..

No one is doubt Obama won red states because of his street organizor experience for caucus...

That is just undeniable truth but some obama's fan liked to rebute that...

In another words, if not because of obama's skin, he won't be in the race...

That is undeniable truth..

Maybe if the Dems were under the GOP system, Hillary's campaign would have actually hustled to win those caucuses as well, hmm?

If they want to win so bad, why don't they just "run home to momma" and become Republicans anyway. I'm SURE they can beat McCain who matches Hilliary on foriegn policy gaffes. And she already worships at the altar of corporate, big government over everyones life, so it's not like we'd be seeing that much difference from McCain. I'm sure Bill can make it happen. Just pick up the phone Bill, call your buddy Limbaugh and he'll get rolling on Hilliary for the GOP. I knew there was a reason you went on his show before the last primary; And a reason as to why he encouraged "so-called" Republicans to vote for your "girl". Hilliary will not allow a silly thing like rules or the will of the people to get in the way of her "right" to lord over all of us. How foolish of us, the "mere cattle" to think that we could try to avert such a folly of a world without a BUSH or a CLINTON telling us how to live and what to do. To quote Bill directly: "How DARE we", indeed...

Gee - this reminds me of that self-acclaimed, best in the world poker player Phil Hellmuth, who while good and once upon a time was the youngest champion, now blames every loss on someone else because he "played perfectly".

Oh Bill. Your wife doesn't need to look anymore Republican. Bill Clinton won under these "weird" Democratic rules. Why can't Hillary? Bill did well in caucuses. Why can't Hillary? In fact, why can't Hillary seem to put this away? No one else is whining about the unfair rules. Now she and Bill are blaming "the system" for her failures? Sad, Hillary.

Took me a while to catch on, but we are all being played by the media.

Regardless of who you're for, and even if Hillary wins PA, Barack is going to win the nomination. The numbers are not there for Hillary and the Democratic party will not risk permanently disabling the party by appearing to steal the nomination from him.

Members of the media, however, are having the time of their lives. They are getting tons of face time and raking in advertising dollars hand over fist.

The longer this mess goes on, the happier (and richer) the media will be.

ya if only she didn't have an opponent she would be winning. between the HRC campaign moving goal posts - changing their own rules and the media bias you'd all have had her coronation by now.

Does any body here know what is the difference between Reps and Dems??

Answer is: there is no difference except each one represent different side of interests...

They are the same typical politicans...

Bill and hillary are just two angry guys and their followers are getting contagious...
This is just disgusting.

Marcha Jenkins said:
The answer is obvious:

THEN LET HER JOIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

I may add:
ABC SHOULD MERGE WITH FIX NEWS!!!!!!

Obama is too good for most of us.

In the end we will get what we deserve.

We got Bush/Cheney because we deserved Bush/Cheney.

If we buy into Clinton's crap then we deserve to get Clinton's crap.

If we buy into Obama's hope and optimism then we deserve his hope and optimism.

I invite both Hillary and Bill to join the Republican party where their willingness to do anything, say anything to get elected will be appreciated. Please join NOW and don't let the door hit your backside on the way out!

The democratic primaries are undemocratic.
DNC needs to reform the system.
Winner takes all delegates.
The whole system is corrupt.

November general elections are different ballgame.
McCain will win in November if Obama gets the nomination.

Am I the only one who cringes when Bill calls Sen. Clinton "girl"? Maybe I'm giving away my age here but it seems so condescending and sexist I wonder why no one in the media has ever taken him to task on this.

So.....why don't they both join the GOP so she can run again in 2012? She USED to be a Republican...I'm sure they'd welcome her back with open arms...they KNOW she can run a Republican campaign! and she adores John McCain...she said he's qualified.

The fact is that Hil is losing because she ran a lousy campaign, underestimated her opponents and "stepped in it" a few too many times with stories like Bosnia and 35 years of experience.

Spin it however you want, Bubba, but she has no one to blame but herself -- and maybe Mark Penn.

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

They are leaving one little thing out of their calculations - IF the dems had a winner take all policy, OBAMA WOULD HAVE RUN A DIFFERENT CAMPAIGN - they ran their campaign to win the most delegates under the system that exists, in a different system things would have been done differently AND HE WOULD STILL BE LEADING IN DELGATES BECAUSE HIS CAMPAIGN IS THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS WHAT IT IS DOING!!

Commander -

Caucuses are fundamentally flawed and undemocratic for a host of reasons - Short windows of opportunity to participate - leaving thousands who may want to vote out of the process - working mothers, anyone who works second shift - the elderly, who have no interest in sitting in a gym for 2 hours and enduring a bunch of 20 yrs olds screaming at them - I could go on and on -

The fact is, after Clinton wins tomorrow she will lead in popular vote and will go on to be our nominee.

The Democratic party cannot afford to nominate a man who would sit in that church for 20 years and not show the strength to say something or would nurture a personal and professional relationship with a known and unrepentant domestic terrorist. If Obama is the nominee it will ensure ruin for us in November.

Wow, Bill Clinton thinks Democrats should be more like Republicans--now there's a surprise. President Clinton knows why the Republicans do what they do, and it's not so as to be "more like the electoral college." A front-loaded winner-take-all system such as the Republicans have is designed to quickly annoint whoever the Republicans have decided is the establishment candidate as quickly and painlessly as possible, and to quash all possible insurgencies. I'm sure it's a wonderful system if you are a Republican, Bill (why don't you go join their party?), and it certainly would have benefited his wife. But we aren't Republicans, and Bill Clinton and his wife both knew and accepted the rules going in.

So? So maybe she should run next time as a Republican. She already employs their tactics.

True Truth -- We'll see in Penn -- he isn't rolling over while she attacks...he's fighting back...and you DO know he actually won Texas -- seems like a pretty big state to me...and I'd bet he would've won Ohio if she hadn't blindsided him with her 'winkwink' that was, in actuality, her own.

Democrats vs. Republicans again...

Way to keep up the same old nation-splitting politics.

We are The United States folks...

Republicans and Democrats are equally strong, weak, ugly, pretty, good, bad, honest, and dishonest.

Jeeze...

In Obama We Trust!

I may be wrong but I read somewhere, this super delegates thing was started by Bill? If I am right, is he trying to change the system again? and this time instead of for his benefit, it benefits his wife? what a looser!!

Sounds like a great idea.

Hillary should just join the party and run as McCain's running mate.

We don't want to hear from Hillary in the Democratic party again

nice one JackT51!

Tango

No. Superdelegates were created by the DNC in 1980 "to keep the radical segment of the democratic party from nominating an unviable candidate who would lose the general".

Lawyers making rules to benifit themselves.

Superdelegates were simply created to keep the party leaders in charge and to give them more control over the party.

I guess superdelegates are "more equal" than the rest of us.

Sounds like G. Orwell to me...

Republicans have no such system.

In Obama We Trust!

The Clintons ought to just GO to the GOP... they don't embrace enough democratic principles anyways

Bill Clinton has something in common with George W. Both like to spin, changing the rules of the game after the game is started. For Bush, Iraq was all about WMD, then ridding the world of a dictator, then democracy blooming in the mideast, then fighting Al Quaida, then counter-acting Iran's influence in the region. Pardon me if I got some of these reasons for going to war in Iraq out of order. Spin is king.

Everyone knew the rules of the game when the primary season started. It wasn't winner take all, it was proportional voting, it included caucuses, it had nothing to do with total popular vote or the electoral college, big states versus small states, 'significant' vs. 'insignificant' states. Florida and Michigan won't count; now, we should re-consider (after we failed to close the deal Super Tuesday). Are others as tired of the Clintons as I am?

If this were the GOP primary and Obama by some far stretch of the imagination would be in it... then he would be playing by the GOP rules and would be winning there too.... and, if Floriday and Michigan benefited by his brilliant campaigning, he'd probably be winning there too.... BUT, this is the Democratic party and those rules apply.
Bill needs to just chill, take a nap or something... it's over already, they played the wrong rules, wrong game

Serious answer now:

The Clintons are trying to win the nomination by gaming the system. They signed off on rules that aren't working for them now (Florida, Michigan) because they presumed it would be a cake walk and that she would have had the nomination all sewed up by March. They planned their primary campaign and strategy only for a Super Tuesday win, not expecting to have to still be fighting for the nomination this late.

The Clinton strategy, and their only strategy at this point, is to convince the superdelegates to override the people's votes. That only she is capable of beating McCain. There is no scenario where Hillary Clinton will get out of this race before the convention, EXCEPT if the superdelegates go on the record on June 3rd and enough declare for Obama. That is the earliest because of the other primaries still to take place (delegates are or can be prevented from declaring before their state has held their primary by the state party rules).

I think there is a minor, MINOR, possibility that she might leave the race if she lost Pennsylvania tomorrow. But even that isn't likely. Which brings us to Harold Ickes, just one of the many slimeballs surrounding the king and queen of slimey politics. Part of the convention-win strategy includes getting Florida's and Michigan's delegates seated. Harold Ickes wrote the contest rules and the three chairs of that committee are former Clinton appointees.

Unless the Clinton campaign, which is aggressively trying to sell the acceptance of superdelegates "following their own counsel and ignoring the voters", giving the nomination to Clinton instead of Obama over the popular vote, delegate count and majority of states ("because we know best, Obama's not electable") - unless "The Clinton Show" is shut down tomorrow, this is going to end one of two ways:

1) Hillary Clinton will be the nominee and will lose the general election,

2) After Florida and Michigan delegations are seated, there is a backlash by superdelegates over the Clinton tactics, Obama gets the nomination but has to campaign with Republicans running ads of Hillary Clinton trashing him (with Clinton working against Obama behind the scenes, too, so that she can run again in four years) making it very difficult (if not impossible) for Obama to win the general election.

Bill Clinton is talking nonsense!! If the democrats had the republicans type of primary, obama would have perfected his strategy to suit that and would have defeated clinton as he is doing now.
The mark of a good general is to look at every situation and adopt strategies that best suit them, that's what obama is doing and that's why he is winning. It shows good leadership quality that is lacking in clinton. Bill should stop whinning, after all, he won under the same system that he is now criticizing.

First Hill/Bill was FOR the people's vote (thinking Fl/MI could win it for them), then they dumped the people's vote for the superdelegates (thinking THAT would win it for them) and now, the superdelegates are the problem?! Look Hill/Bill you did know the race you were in right? thank God you won't be taking that 3am call!

Bill Clinton is talking nonsense!! If the democrats had the republicans type of primary, obama would have perfected his strategy to suit that and would have defeated clinton as he is doing now.
The mark of a good general is to look at every situation and adopt strategies that best suit them, that's what obama is doing and that's why he is winning. It shows good leadership quality that is lacking in clinton. Bill should stop whinning, after all, he won under the same system that he is now criticizing.

So, if the Democrats had a winner take all primary, Obama would have more popular votes, but still be behind in delegates.

Well, shades of 2000!

I only read the headline. BUT - these are not the GOP rules, so it does not matter!

Maybe somebody on her staff should have let her know the rules before she started.

Oh look, it's ABC reporting on how desirable a GOP rule book would be for Hillary Clinton. Surprise, surprise!

Why don't Hillary and Bill just switch parties. They fit in so much better on the dark side!

Bill Clinton: Under DNC Primary System, Hillary and I Keep On Whining

In 92 the rules were okay, but now that hillary's losing the rules are flawed...I think it's the clintons that are flawed...the dnc system is beter than the gop's by far...every vote counts and matters...

And what is not true about what Bill Clinton said?

Hillary would be winning under GOP rules! Yeah, and I would be a millionaire if my company paid me what I'm worth over the past ten years. Coulda-woulda-shoulda! Or should I say: do anything, say anything?

then why doesnt she just.........

JOIN THE GOP

duh its obviously her next move
since she cant win in the democratic party because of her lies

The problem is not the procentual allocation of delegates, even though I feel that it would make more sense, because it is more similar to the GE.

Her problem is that too many candidates dropped out too soon. Obama profited most from Edwards dropping out.

Of course, she made mistakes, just like any human being. The "inevitable" sales pitch was one of them. If someone is "inevitable", most people will look for an alternative and they found that alternative in Obama.

It only illustrates how unfair and undemocratic the GOP system is... Obama has a 814,000 lead in the popular vote.

And yes, it also tells us that the Clintons better ride the elephant these days. With their 109 million dollars it might be more appropriate. Last thing they'll say about DEM voters after leaving the race: screw 'em.

truth - jealousy is not a good thing to have. It's the american way to make money and get rich. You can do it too, only need be smart and find your way.

She should have switched parties or she could volunteer for Mc Cain's ticket as VP. She is really a scoundrel.

Interesting he should say that - I believe that if Hilarry thought she could be president by changing to the Republican party she would!!

I love how everyone just discounts the youth vote. Guess what Baby Boomers. Ever thought that we're tired of the prospect of being left with all of your messes? People are voting for Clinton because she is a familiar establishment candidate. Never mind the fact that she will be slaughtered in a general election. At least Obama has a chance at disenfranchised republicans, and a much better chance than Hillary at independents.

P.S.

I voted for Bill Clinton. Twice. My party has been taken over the Democratic Leadership Council, Republicans essentially, and I haven't been happy with who my party's elders have been vetting for many election cycles.

I held my nose when I voted for Clinton and knew we would regret having to trust him. I was right, but I supported him through impeachment and then some. The Clinton supporters were wrong, and we now have in Hillary Clinton a woman with a breathtaking facility for lying. When she's not lying about her own resume and achievements, she's lying about her opponents' record and character. That she would say some of the things she's saying, twisting words and context to mischaracterize gives us a front row seat into a thinking process devoid of integrity and morality. This woman has no ethical or moral compass. I'm blown away by that discovery.

So when do the Clinton supporters shut up, take a back seat so that we can get our country and the world back on track again?

I didn't get to vote for my preferred candidate. He had to drop out of the race before my state (the biggest in the union) got a chance to weigh in. When Florida and Michigan complains, all I can say is, "None of us get it the way we want it!"<