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April 23, 2008 5:33 PM

ABC News' Sarah Amos Reports: The cloudy skies and impending rain could not dampen President Clinton's good spirits as he campaigned for his wife in Hillsborough, North Carolina this afternoon.

"I am sorry I am a little late, as you might imagine I got in a little late from Pennsylvania last night.  But I just wanna say a couple of words about that.  Hillary was outspent on television, three to one by almost 8 million dollars.  And she won anyways, by 10 points.  She carried, 61 of Pennsylvania's 67 counties because of people like you and places like this," said Clinton as he greeted the crowd that had gathered on a local baseball diamond.   

"And today her opponent's campaign strategist said, 'well we don't really need these working class people to win, half the time they vote for Republicans anyways.  And I will tell you something, America needs you to win and therefore Hillary wants your support and I hope you will help her in this primary in North Carolina," continued the former president.

Clinton may have been referring to comments made by Obama strategist, David Alexrod.   “The white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years. This is not new that Democratic candidates don’t rely solely on those votes," Axelrod told NPR.

Clinton also spoke about the now canceled North Carolina debate between the two candidates.

"I saw the debate in Pennsylvania.  And uh, afterwards, 41 percent of the voters watched it and by 52 to 22 they said Hillary won," said Clinton, as a possible reason why Obama was refusing to commit to the debate.

With five outdoor rallies today across the state, the Bill Clinton's schedule is reminiscent of his time spent campaigning in Texas. The baseball field at the first event was conveniently close to an early polling station - allowing Hillary supporters to both see the former president and vote for Hillary in one swoop.

"I think we're at an early voting site, right? So I'm supposed to remind you to vote early. Unless you haven't made up your mind, in which case, let me talk to you some more," Clinton joked with the crowd.

In a new twist though, Clinton took time to answer questions people had sent in to hillaryclinton.com.  The issues ranged from gas prices to healthcare and Clinton went through his entire list giving in depth answers to all.

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Way to go, Bill! I admire the way you stand beside Hillary and campaign for her!!

Posted by: becky | Apr 23, 2008 5:42:48 PM

Bill speaks the truth, as usual in this campaign. Obama's denigration of President Clinton and what he accomplished has not helped him with middle class Americans. Between that and the arrogant, dismissive attitude he has displayed lately, there should be no wonder why working class people don't like him. He can continue to spin his snobbish PA remarks anyway he likes, but we "uneducated" (apparently anyone who doesn't hold a master's or PhD) voters are smart enough to recognize a slam for what it is. I don't care what these silly poll questions show, Obama's campaign is the one running the dirty tricks and constantly playing victim. I'm totally sick of him and his followers who would overlook anything he does in order not to knock him off of the pedestal they have put him on.

Posted by: dwc | Apr 23, 2008 5:46:29 PM

Clinton is now 100k voters AHEAD in the popular vote.

She is going to win the nomination now. Obama's HYPE show is finally OVER !!!!!!

Yee haw.

She is also doing better than Obama against Mc Cain !!!!

Posted by: tomdavie | Apr 23, 2008 5:58:08 PM

"And today her opponent's campaign strategist said, 'well we don't really need these working class people to win, half the time they vote for Republicans anyways."....finally he got something right. "Meanwhile, Sen. John McCain rolled to a largely uncontested victory in Pennsylvania's Republican primary. McCain (Ariz.), who has had his party's nomination locked up for more than a month, faced no serious opposition, although former foes Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul were still on the ballot."

Posted by: Heidi Preston | Apr 23, 2008 6:16:14 PM

Hey ABC, MSNBC reported "The outdoor rally came to a hurried end when sunny skies made way for a sudden downpour." Did you intentionally leave this part out so nobody could say it rained on Bill's parade in Hillsborough? The man is in plain and simple words a LIAR, he will go down in history as even a bigger LIAR then people ever imagined. His and his wifes legacy will be - say anything...do anything..for the power, the money and the win. He's a pathetic example of a man.

Posted by: bailey | Apr 23, 2008 6:18:43 PM

Hillary has won the battle but lost the war. It's over.

Posted by: rco | Apr 23, 2008 6:19:05 PM

Bill's right. Plain and simple.


Posted by: S | Apr 23, 2008 6:24:45 PM

I know Obama's supporters will deny this, but the truth is that he has not won one large swing state that Democrats need to win in November. He does not do well unless it is a "red" state or caucus where he can hold a public vote with intimidation.

Posted by: Chris | Apr 23, 2008 6:34:09 PM

Oooh, conspiracy theories, Sgt. Gallien!

Well, sometimes the sun is just the sun.

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | Apr 23, 2008 6:53:41 PM

President Clinton was in office when I graduated from college, and economic times were good, so I had no problem getting a job. I am sure students just graduating college are having a hard time finding a job now with President Bush in office, but I can't imagine how HARD it would be for them finding a job with a President Barack Hussein Obama in office. You know though it would serve them right for supporting him in some large numbers instead of Hillary Clinton--but maybe Barack can send them some of his world-famous "change" in the form of the minimum wage job these fools will be forced to take when they can't find a job in their field of study! Karma will get ya every time!

Posted by: T.D. | Apr 23, 2008 6:55:00 PM

Obama supporters continue to reinforce why the rest of us may never vote for him...they can't present an opinion without talking trashy, nasty, or viscious. If this is the best he brings out in his supporters, I want no part of it. And for those who think Obama doesn't lie, wake up. If he gets elected, 4 years later people will be accusing him of the same kinds of things as they do about the Clintons. Just because he says something, you all believe him. He isn't a saint, and he LIES too, the press just hasn't crucified him YET like they do the Clintons and others whom they have cast aside in favor of the new kid on the block.

Posted by: dwc | Apr 23, 2008 7:00:44 PM

About three years ago a well known televangelist, Perry Stone Jr., told his congregation that God spoke to him and said Sen. Clinton will be the next President. This information can been obtained from one his published works on CD entitled “Strange Patterns of Recent American Presidents.” On this CD, track 7, Mr. Perry likens Sen. Clinton to the Jezebel of the Bible and former President Clinton to Ahab, her husband. If this man is a true prophet of the Lord, there is nothing that ABC News or the other networks can do to stop Sen. Clinton from becoming President.

Posted by: brianerickson65 | Apr 23, 2008 7:13:48 PM

damn it - Bill Clinton is NOT "President Clinton" !!!!! He is either Governor Clinton or the FORMER President Clinton.

There's only ONE "President of the United States" at any one time.

This is Journalism 101, guys...

Posted by: bob reilly | Apr 23, 2008 7:21:46 PM

Barack, Michelle, Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Micheal Moore, Bill Maher, the New Black Panthers Party, Move On, Larry Leggis, the Black Nationalist Movement, the Weather Underground and on and on.

Obama is the Trojan horse for hard-left hate in America. Nothing more. He will be defeated by intelligent and decent Americans everywhere.

Posted by: jack | Apr 23, 2008 7:25:09 PM

Is there a hateful, anti-American, anti-Semitic, racist organization out there that Obama doesn't have ties with?

Posted by: Beth | Apr 23, 2008 7:26:18 PM

Everyone get the "people like you" title? another race-spewer. Could have just said "B. Clinton Addresses Crowd in NC"

Posted by: tony | Apr 23, 2008 7:30:10 PM

The comments here, and comments by writers, shows that Hillary's 10% advantage in Pennsylvania is due to their prejudice against people of color - though I am not a person of color, I saw it Pittsburgh for 8 years and longer in Ohio as I was growing up. Almost all of the writers claim that Obama can't do this or that - those are subterfuges reasons. Many older white and Hispanic Americans are too prejudiced against people of color to vote for Obama and hide their feelings by false claims against Obama. I would vote for an honest person of any color, than vote for Hillary who lies whenever she thinks it will help her become the Democratic candidate.

Posted by: 12 | Apr 23, 2008 7:43:20 PM

News flash to BO supporters

This is politics - not a chess match or a bridge tournament

Rules are made to be broken and are broken all the time -

And -- it actually does not matter because the DEMS need MI and FL to win in November so a fair compromise will arise and has started in the more disputed MI

The party will be punished but not the voters

The delegates will be cut in half but the vote will stand as is - as certified

If adopted by the DNC - cut by 50% the ddelegate or party count - but keep the vvote whole - for MI it will be so done ffor FL

At that point it will be by the rules tthat HRC has the most votes

And when we go back to 2000 and Al Gore - if its official chads/delegates vs the popular vote - I think I will bet on the popular vote

Remember we all say HRC win the vote count in TX and lose the delegate count - now which DEMS think that is fair and smart?

The fight is on - and I will vote DEM for HRC or BO - but BO supporters the endgame is here - and BO is NOT ready

In 24 hours
He blamed his lack of connection in PA --this time -- on old people and I guess they can not tell William Jefferson from Hillary Rodham
He cried they do it too - they complain too
And he backed out of a fifth one on one ddebate cause he lost #4

That is not how you do what you need to do - win IN and kill off HRC

Posted by: Ted in Chicago | Apr 23, 2008 7:50:55 PM

DAN A

For sure there are people who did not vote for BO because of color and prejudice

But I think that evened out with BO gaining a 90+ (was it 95%?) percent of the affinity vote from Black people in PA

So based on color - right or wrong - I think we can assume BO got more votes based on race voting vs how many he lost

Not saying right or wrong - just saying tthat is the reality - and I vote HRC but not on color and if I were Black and saw their policies are near identical I just might vote for BO as a fellow Black

But two semi wrongs do not make a right

Posted by: Ted in Chicago | Apr 23, 2008 7:54:15 PM

WHO SAID OBAMA WAS A PRINCIPLED BEACON OF HOPE?

Certainly the facts show anything but. He's a first class mud-slinger and is great at character assignation. He runs from anyone who would call his past to task and simply asserts that his past associations with shady characters was just a little 'mistake'.

Posted by: S | Apr 23, 2008 7:54:41 PM

Hi,

To Trishia's post:

You are off by 100.

1648: Add 151 pledged delegates to her total with ten point wins in
Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky and Puerto Rico

1860: Add another 122 pledged delegates by winning or placing a close second in
Guam, Indiana, North Carolina, Oregon, Montana and South Dakota

1648+122=1760 ...

So from there she would need to secure the votes of 220 of the 330 remaining super delegates (versus 120) to surpass
the 2208 delegates.

Still a mathematical possibility, just a more difficult one than you show.

Keep crunching those numbers...

Posted by: Dan M | Apr 23, 2008 7:59:26 PM

What I like most about Obama is he is so hen pecked it isn't funny and they thought Hillary was mean I can tell Mrs. Obama is ten times the control freak that Hillary is.

Posted by: Bishop | Apr 23, 2008 8:03:17 PM

Gotta Love the former Preesident Clinton. Smart as they come, a great speaker and married to a woman as smart and generous with her time as he is with his. Great spokesmen, both, for middle class America. No one looks out for the working class as well as the Clintons. I hope North Carolina nd Indiana put the final nail in obama's political coffin. Hillary'08

Posted by: Beau | Apr 23, 2008 8:34:41 PM

Axelrod says one thing. Bill hears another. If not that then between Bill's ears and his mouth there is a great gap.

Posted by: kent | Apr 23, 2008 8:49:16 PM

tomdavie ,

WELCOME TO NC!!

YOUR 100K VOTE OVER, WHOM ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL?

OBAMA WAS NOT IN MI, KEEP COUNTING, HILLARY'S CAMPAIGN DATES ARE COUNTED!!

SEE YOU HERE ON MAY 6TH,

IF EVEN TAKING YOUR POINT OF POPULAR VOTES, IF THAT WAS THE WAY TO PRESIDENCY, AL GORE WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT OF US! HE BEAT BUSH BY A WIDE MARGIN IN POPULAR VOTE!!

AFTER NC, WHAT WILL YA SAY PAL?

NC IS READY FOR OBAMA!!
YES WE CAN!! OBAMA08!!

Posted by: RC | Apr 23, 2008 8:58:19 PM

Obama is ahead. Yes, he is. And why? Because voters were deceived by the media and Obama himself, fronting as someone he is not. Had the Wright controversy came out in the beginning, Obama would have been OUT of this race before it started. So STOP with he is ahead. Being ahead whn deceived, and now losing because we know who he is, means he is NOT ahead, not when it comes to being electable NOW and in November. He cannot carry one big state besides his home state of Illinois. The majority of the states he has won are Republican and will still be Republican in November. He is out of this race in a big way. And North Carolina will not save him for the Democrats. he needed Pennsylvania, Florida and Ohio for that. And he lost in a big way. He cannot carry one swing state when we must carry ALL to win in November. Yes, Obama, I heard your Indiana "red and blue does not matter" rhetoric! One more reason to show how inexperienced you really are. Obama has confused winning the Democrat nomination with the General Election. The General is all that matters. And if the Super Delegates and the DNC do not wake up to this fact, he will lose not only the Presidency for the Democrats, but the Senate seats, the House seats, the Governorships and right on down the line. And it is his own fault. He never distanced himself with Anti-American rhetoric, even when he wants to be the American President. Obama must drop out of this race before he destroys this Democrat Party.

Posted by: Jolly Brown | Apr 23, 2008 9:13:58 PM

Hillary Clinton and John McCain have this in common. They have both ticked off the extrements in thier party.

Posted by: geevill | Apr 23, 2008 9:29:48 PM

geevill - I think you're on to something here.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Apr 23, 2008 9:37:50 PM

Good for you, Nancy. Obama will NEVER win over Clinton supporters. The nastier his surrogates, supporters, bloggers, and campaign tactics become, the more determined we will be to vote for anyone other than Obama. The media rationalizes that if Obama gets the nod, Hillary's supporters will change their minds and pledge their votes to him in November. Not going to happen. Not ever.

HILLARY '08

Posted by: Emily | Apr 23, 2008 9:45:16 PM

Dogsolider: Looks like my efforts helped our gal get a big win in PA!! Oh it's SWEET,SWEET,NECTAR!!!

Posted by: russell | Apr 23, 2008 9:53:33 PM

What Bill Clinton will go down in history the only 2 term president since FDR.

Posted by: toby | Apr 23, 2008 9:57:04 PM

I meant 2 term democrat president

Posted by: toby | Apr 23, 2008 9:57:48 PM

Nancy and Emily,
I'm with you. At the beginning of this campaign, maybe. But after all of the underhanded, sneaky, double standard tactics they have used, and then blamed the Clintons, I can never in good conscience vote for him. Many of his supporters on the blogs are just plain mean and hateful. Obama's campaign is a master manipulator of the media, and it has been disgusting to watch. HIs surrogates are so smug, even tonight they were saying Hillary's supporters would come home to the party...but not me, ever.

Posted by: dc | Apr 23, 2008 10:00:13 PM

No negatives. Hillary Clinton is a powerful positive and she doesn't need them. Her speech last night was brilliant, brilliantly given and stunning in tone of complete confidence in the power of America to right its course.

She is going to win this election.

The golden apple is the fight with McCain. Let Obama's campaign fight that if they wish. Last night, Hillary Clinton began her real conversation with Americans about the future of America. It is a bright future.

I want to hear more. Go lady!!

And Bill is answering questions from the list? COOL!!! A Clinton finally *gets* the Internet.

Posted by: len | Apr 23, 2008 10:27:10 PM

E L E C T A B I L I T Y IS THE KEY
ISSUE IN NOVEMBER.
I KNOW I'M AHEAD OF THE GAME BEFORE
THE NOMINATION.
QUESTION:
WHO'S ELECTABLE IN NOVEMBER?????
IF THE DEMOCRATS ARE SERIOUS TO WIN IN
NOVEMBER,THEY BETTER HAVE A WINNING
TEAM TO BEAT McCAIN.

IF HUSSEIN OBAMA GETS THE NOMIMATION
IT'S OVER FOR THE DEMOCRATS.
THEY'RE 2 ISSUES:
1.OBAMA LOST ALL THE BIG STATES WITH THE MOST ELECTORAL VOTES.
2.RACE.LOTS OF WHITE DEMOCRATS WILL VOTE
REPUBLICAN AGAIN OR STAY HOME.
DO YOU REMEMBER THE REAGAN DEMOCRATS???

CONCLUSION:
OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE IN NOVEMBER.

DO YOU REMEMBER THE CLUB OF MONDALE,
DUKAKIS,GORE,KERRY???????THEY WAITING
FOR A NEW MEMBER.

Posted by: NIcholas | Apr 23, 2008 10:28:45 PM

losers Kennedy, Kerry, Tom Daschal, Bill Richardson, Bill Bradley, Chris Dodd are backing a loser. We need a fighter like Hillary.

Posted by: anwar | Apr 23, 2008 11:24:50 PM

Bill Clinton is a Rhode scholar, people. I have a doctorate in clinical psychology and I support Hillary Clinton. I am proud that she has the support of blue collar workers...they are my family, my friends, and my heart.

Go North Carolina!!! THE snake oil salesman has to go...

Posted by: mj | Apr 23, 2008 11:31:56 PM

tomdavie: She is Not ahead of Obama
in the popular vote!
The one candidate non-event in Michigan
and the Illegal Florida Primary do
Not Count! Obama will be the Nominee!
Deal with it!

Posted by: reaganfan | Apr 23, 2008 11:59:37 PM

Either you hate Mr Clinton or you are too young to know him, the truth is when he was the president everything seemed good.
Most of people still remember that and thank him for that.

Posted by: crisis08 | Apr 24, 2008 12:18:22 AM

The young people voting for Barack were probably too young to remember or personally benefit from the Bill Clinton years. He was an excellent president. A lot of your comments about "cheating Bill" and such sound like right wing Republicans. I, too, am tired of the new, young, internet savvy and name calling young people controlling this race. Y'all are very vocal, but naive. Y'all are also quick to throw names and disparage all Clinton supporters as ignorant. We are not. We have been democrats for years. Take over someone else's party, I too like some others here, are tired of you. I just wish we could get the black voters back-- we need you. You are part of us--the base of the democratic party. Wasn't it good under Bill Clinton??? HRC will be good too.

Posted by: lonestarstate | Apr 24, 2008 1:06:45 AM

From the poll above -

"The number of Americans who see Clinton unfavorably overall has risen to a record high in ABC/Post polling, 54 percent -- up 14 points since January. Obama's unfavorable score has reached a new high as well, up 9 points, but to a lower 39 percent. A favorability rating is the most basic measure of any public figure's popularity; it's trouble when unfavorable views outscore favorable ones. That's now the case for Clinton, alone among the current candidates." The article also says Bill Clinton's unfavorable score is up to 51%, the worst it's been since he left office.

Posted by: bailey | Apr 24, 2008 1:34:01 AM

I beg to differ with Mr. Axelrod: working class voters are the heart and soul of the Democratic Party and America. Sen. Obama's inability to connect with the backbone of the Democratic Party is very troubling to say the least. Working class voters have neither the benefit of riches nor the fallback of government aid. They are savvy and hard to fool.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | Apr 24, 2008 1:36:09 AM

Obama has the black vote and the ultra
left wing of the democratic party.
HE IS UNELECTABLE in november.
He lost NEW YORK,NEW JERSEY,CALIFORNIA,
TEXAS,OHIO,PENNSYLVANIA.Those are the biggest states with most of the electoral votes.
The white democrats and independents,at
least half will not vote for Obama in
november.
Democrats cannot win just with the black
vote.
The case with Obama is closed.He is
unelectable.He will lose in november
worst than Dukakis.

Posted by: NIcholas | Apr 24, 2008 1:45:51 AM

For all of your Hillary Clinton Supporters I have news for you
1. What has she done, besides being the wife of Bill Clinton, to warrant that she is qualified to be CEO of the most important company in America?
2. What happened when Mrs Clinton ran the health care reform program (total disaster)
3. Do you really want the CEO of our country to be someone who over 60% of the American population does not trust?


Posted by: bob hayes | Apr 24, 2008 1:52:38 AM

I'm not a democrat.I have voted for democrats
and republicans in the past.
I'm independent.Last 2 elections i voted for Bush.
I don't like none of the candidates.
Obama is black.
Hillary a woman.
McCain,an old man.
I'm going to vote for McCain.At least i know he will be one term president.

Posted by: NIcholas | Apr 24, 2008 2:08:58 AM

Obama wants to talk issues but refuses to debate. He dodges and ducks hard questions. Is this a candidate who will bring change, hope and security at the time we need it most? No. Obama continues to defend Wright with his speech stating that we should look beyond race and look on balance Mr. Wright's service to the Church community. But he slams Ferraro for her comments, never once mentioned that we should look beyond race and recognize Ferraro's service to the country. Is this the candidate who will bring unity? No.

Posted by: digita | Apr 24, 2008 2:09:39 AM

It's a wrap for Hillary. A complete and utter wrap. Curtains. Period. I wish her all the best, but hers and President Clinton's behavior has been absolutely reprehensible, I'm disgusted and so is America, and she has lost my vote. Obama '08

Posted by: CBKrystal | Apr 24, 2008 2:12:07 AM

Hey digita
I agree 100% with your comments.
For all the above reasons and more
Obama is unelectable in november.

Posted by: NIcholas | Apr 24, 2008 2:15:18 AM

I thought Bill Clinton was one of the best presidents that the country has ever had. Sure, the Monica Lewinsky thing was a little gross but he left the country with a surplus, no war, the US was in good shape. Times were prosperous when he was president. I want those good times back!

I care about the economy the most out of all issues and I believe Hillary is the one who can turn this country around.

Posted by: Grant | Apr 24, 2008 2:22:38 AM

I also want to mention that voting for a candidate based on the likeability of their personality is rather foolish. This isn't the prom.

George W. Bush was that likeable guy we could have a beer with and well, just look at what he's done.

Likeability is not as important as who understands the policies and issues the best.

Posted by: Grant | Apr 24, 2008 2:26:08 AM

If Obama gets the nomination he will
lose the general elections in november,because he wouldn't carry at least 2 of the big states he already lost in primaries.
John Kerry lost just the OHIO and lost the elections.
Do the math.state by state.
Obama cannot get 270 electoral votes
to beat McCain.

Posted by: NIcholas | Apr 24, 2008 2:29:27 AM

I just wish the press was objective. It is just too obvious that they want Obama to win. After this is all said and done the networks should probably fire the bulk of them because they are unfit for the job---biased. I mean come on you can spin a story any way you like. How about not trying so hard to spin for Obama. Didn't Clinton get big endorsements, which network made that their top story??? Personally, I am sick of the sexist remarks calling her shrill and emotional and such. HRC should say something that sexist remarks are not okay, not just because of her but for other women who might meet the same treatment if this continues. All of this reminds me of high school. Barack is cool and his minions are bullies who suck up to him and push other people around. Puh--lease with all this one-sided love story.

Posted by: helloamerica | Apr 24, 2008 3:47:13 AM

billiary,
Is over,there is no need of decieving your supporters, it ended after wiscounsin,it is clear that the superdelegates will not ignore the majority vote, the delegate count, the big overwhelming african american vote, young votes, white but not blue collar white vote and give to you, never. UNDERSTAND IT IS OVER.

Posted by: angie | Apr 24, 2008 5:18:35 AM

reaganfan

the votes did count in michigan and florida. They were stripped of their delegates.

DNC made no such stipulation on the vote itself.

Clinton is leading by 100k votes in the popular vote.

Posted by: tomdavie | Apr 24, 2008 6:36:10 AM

Why are there so many illogical posts? I'm really irritated by the spin of politics. Other countries look at our dramas in politics like a joke sometimes. We've dumbed down politics to the point where someone like Bush can be elected over Gore.
First of all, how the heck can you count Michigan's votes for Hillary in the popular vote count? She and Obama both pledged for that election not to count and his name isn't on the ballot. What kind of fair game is that? Don't you people understand basic logic? Would Clinton supporters be ok if it was reversed and he got hundreds of thousands of votes in a state he pledged not to count and Hillary's name wasn't on the ballot? Even Ed Rendell said that Michigan shouldn't factor in, many times, and he's hardly objective. Many of the powers in the democratic party, specifically Dean and Pelosi, have emphatically pointed out that those votes will not be the difference makers, and for good reason. It was a misleading vote, where people didn't know if it would count or whether they should show up or have an alternative to vote for. To make that argument on "popular vote" itself offends me.
Florida has a case, but only on principle. If it was principle that the Clinton campaign was aligned to, then they wouldn't have signed the DNC pledge "disenfranchising" voters there... That's an inflammatory way to say it. For most states in a primary that vote after Super Tuesday, they are usually meaningless, in this case it was Florida and Michigan, and we all know they are important states for sure. The point is that there has to be an informed election where candidates can campaign, otherwise why have a campaign. We could have done all this last October and Hillary would have won in a landslide. She would have won Texas by 20, Penn by 25, Ohio by 20, Connecticut by 20 and so on... I think she would win Florida, but by 10 or so points max... Anyways, they both agreed to the rules, so this is a mute point.

Finally, the popular vote ignores caucuses and that's the point here. The Clinton campaign did a poor job of contesting caucuses, lost most of them, and now wants to ignore them. But they are elections that have fewer vote tallies in general. I think you could argue that caucuses aren't as good as primaries in determining the will of the people, but that's not how things are set up. Just because she's won big primaries and two uncontested states, one of which her opponent wasn't on the ballot, doesn't mean that the delegate count is still not what we're all following. I just worry because people are so bad at math in this country they buy into all this stuff. All the networks say how close the count is though he's mathematically ahead to stay in the delegate count...
Please don't buy into it. And for the sake of argument, you could just also estimate 40% or so of the previous vote in Michigan for Obama, and then he'd be back ahead, but it's a stupid argument.

Posted by: Santosh | Apr 24, 2008 7:07:28 AM

She would have won Texas by 20, Penn by 25, Ohio by 20, Connecticut by 20 and so on... I think she would win Florida, but by 10 or so points max... Anyways, they both agreed to the rules, so this is a mute point.

Finally, the popular vote ignores caucuses and that's the point here. The Clinton campaign did a poor job of contesting caucuses, lost most of them, and now wants to ignore them. But they are elections that have fewer vote tallies in general. I think you could argue that caucuses aren't as good as primaries in determining the will of the people, but that's not how things are set up. Just because she's won big primaries and two uncontested states, one of which her opponent wasn't on the ballot, doesn't mean that the delegate count is still not what we're all following. I just worry because people are so bad at math in this country they buy into all this stuff. All the networks say how close the count is though he's mathematically ahead to stay in the delegate count...
Please don't buy into it. And for the sake of argument, you could just also estimate 40% or so of the previous vote in Michigan for Obama, and then he'd be back ahead, but it's a stupid argument.

Posted by: Santosh | Apr 24, 2008 7:09:08 AM

Bill - Shame on you - You forgot to mention to the Good People of North Carolina the real reasons why Hillary won Pa. and how You, Hillary, & Rendell exploited them.

Vote early? Pretty Slick Trick! Give the People time to celebrate Hillary's win in Pa. before rushing to judgement. These voters are smarter than you give them credit for. It's all about a new generation of voters. Just Chill out!

I've grown up here in Penna. and sad to say that there is a rather intolerant side to the OLD Demo Party to real change & acceptance that is needed in their curriculum of negative polictics. Senator Obama is the change that is needed to be accepted, then this Country & its People will be able to move forward. Out with the Old in with the New! So Sad.....

Hillary, IT'S ALL ABOUT ME. Wheeeeeee this is fun! I'm just warming up. $110,000,000 year is MY money. Show me MORE of YOUR money.

Posted by: That's Why! | Apr 24, 2008 7:53:50 AM

You all seem to forget Obama is going up against 15 years of branding of the Clintons as the only game in town, the only leaders of the Democratic Party. We are brainwashed that they are the great and all pwerful OZ. Well Obama needs a little more than Toto pulling the curtain back.

God knows 50 or so different investigations into various scandals have had hard times getting behind that same curtain... ...a couple of strong winds have given a peek but they quickly throw up that giant bellowing green head and all the followers fall in line.

...but if we can do this we will be free from at least this sales couple.

Just like the story we realize, that the real "fairy tale" was the great and powerful Oz...who turned out to be some two bit (although smart) snake oil salesman pulling the levers and selling the people on fear of himself and the witch to protect his own power rather than getting rid of the problem itself. There will always be flying monkeys and the fear they create until we get rid of the snake oil salesman behind the curtain.
The Clintons need to be sent back to arKansas in the ballon they flew in on.

Posted by: dl | Apr 24, 2008 8:22:09 AM

I don't understand why the Democratics are willing to lose control of the house and senate. McCain will win by a landslide if Obama is on the ticket and he will surely bring down other Democratics. Kennedy, Kerry might be ok, but other Democratics will surely suffer if McCain wins big in November. On the other hand, Hillary will fight McCain with ideas and solutions that will resonant with most Americans.

Posted by: Jake | Apr 24, 2008 9:02:54 AM

Obama and his surrogates blocked revotes in MI and Fl. The cost was not an issue either.Donors would of funded them. Obama denied members of his party the right to be heard. He also backed out of a NC debate. well chickened out just like he won't talk to reporters.

Posted by: geevill | Apr 24, 2008 9:20:19 AM

it is sad but it is the truth, just accept it and it will be business as usual.

Posted by: alexis compton | Apr 24, 2008 9:26:12 AM

Bill is sent to 2 campaign stops for every 1 that Hillary does.

In Ohio, Strickland did the majority of Hillary campaigning.

In Pennsylvania, Rendell and Nutter were the main factors.

As a business women, I'm offended that Hillary is letting men do most of her campaigning.

Posted by: Debbie | Apr 24, 2008 10:04:13 AM

Things must be getting serious for Hillary...she has decided to discuss policy...I thought the main thrust of the Hillary campaign was that Hillary gets to be on TV with her pals in Hollywood, and on the celebrity circuit.....Mind you at least Hillary discusses policy....Even Obama'ssupporters still don't know what he stands for...apart from "hope" and "change"....and then we have Bomb-Iran....no thanks.....the ideal election would have been between the strongest intellectual on the left, John Edwards and the strongest intellectual on the right, Ron Paul....but our media sponsors don't like that....

Posted by: Deco | Apr 24, 2008 11:24:12 AM

Sorry pls am a foreigner studying in US, i used to think Americans are intellectuals, i never knew the illiterates are more than the literates. How can you people be talking about swingstates with contestants in the same party? mind you whoever win will represent the party, the issue of swingstates is suppose to arise when you talk about contestants from different parties. WAKE UP AMERICANS.

Posted by: XYZ, NY | Apr 24, 2008 11:29:16 AM

Everyone talks about how Obama has failed to get greater support among white blue collar workers. Hillary continually boasts about her support among this group. But Hillary's support among African-Americans has been dismal. What makes her tink that if she robs Obama of the nomination they will flock to her side?

Posted by: Marcelino | Apr 24, 2008 1:11:32 PM

The medial has completely ignored Hillary's dismals performance among African-Americans. Why?

Posted by: Marcelino | Apr 24, 2008 1:15:23 PM

Is the media for Barack. Ever one that complaining about Barack got their so-called facts from the media that loves him even the much hyped bitter-gate comments come from his own supporter sounds like an imbeded neo-con to me.
The media has noty reported that Hillarys side also contacted Canada.
They have reported the 900,000 dollars Bill got from the columbian trade deal. The money he got from Black Water the money he got from the current housing crisis. Also they are the Authors of NAFTA. Also they has told many lies misstatements according to the media. In NC we call them LIES.

Posted by: Ronny Pierce | Apr 24, 2008 1:59:47 PM

ronny peirce -- the clintons don't need any money and are not corruptable... idiot

Posted by: voter | Apr 24, 2008 3:40:22 PM

Ronny Pierce,

Ronny you are preaching to the choir. These people can't be THAT stupid. It is selective bull is what it is. Anything negative and the world is about to end. Anything negative Clinton and their turn the other way. I say f them all. Anything she does is ok but not him. Again, they can't be that stupid. I can't wait until that hag fall on her face.

Posted by: IAGREE | Apr 24, 2008 8:29:24 PM

1028jenn,

I read this entire complaint a while back. What shocked me the most was how the Clintons were so blatant in the way they used and trashed Paul. Not nice people at all. Unbelievable!

Hillary's fans should read this to find out who she really is....it ain't pretty!

Posted by: SuziQ | Apr 25, 2008 2:07:30 AM

what do the dems know about this?

Posted by: tony | Apr 26, 2008 7:27:27 AM

I don't believe in Obama's hollywood machinery. I believe facts and Hillary always has worked for the people. She will win over McCain, she will clean the house inside and outside. GO HILLARY GO!!!!

Posted by: MariaL. | Apr 26, 2008 12:28:31 PM

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