The only thing that was agreed to regarding regarding MI and FL was that no one would campaign there. The only one who did campaign in FL was Obama (with television ads that ran constantly, especially on MSNBC). Of course there has to be a way of settling this, in a way that clearly respects the will of the voters of these states.

re: my previous post; correction and my apologies 'some white men'.

Pelosi for queen of the United States!

Be a good democrat -- vote early and vote often.

Calm down, people. Just wait for less than 2 weeks and we will know who is the true winner...

If Obama can win Penn, then he will be the next president no matter you like or not...

But if Obama can't, then it just proves again he cannot win the big states, big white states...

He will be fixed into his own pattern and will lose his MO.....The chance he can convine other half of Dems and unite party will be ZERO......

Can you just imagine if democracy was still in effect....Hillary would be ahead. You have to wonder why the crap with Florida and Michigan. If the tables were turned and Obama was the one wanting the votes, those delegates would count. I am glad Hillary has spoken out on this, she has a right to. Obama made a decision not to have his name on the ballot and the DNC could change their minds and just pay for the recount, but they know that this would help Hillary, why would they do that? I hope Hillary pulls out a win and Obama goes back to the Senate with his racist tail tucked between his legs.

Clearly, a lot of posters here are mislead on what the "pledges" regarding MI and FL were... the only commitment either candidate made was to not campaign in those states. The DNC does not govern the elections in the states and the MI and FL elections have been certified. Both candidates stated the voters should not be disenfranchised and that the nominee will ask that the delegates be seated at the convention.

The only candidate of all the candidates that violated rules was Obama by running ads in FL but one of his cronies at the DNC said he could. He chose to make a national ad buy instead of a state or regional buy which was cheaper to target SC. He clearly made a decision to try to get around the rules since that was way more expensive and a poor executive decision. His campaign encouraged voters in MI to lie or be unethical in their voting by encouraging them to vote in the republican primary. A revote would not have allowed the cheaters to vote in MI so he blocked it even after he said he would agree with whatever the DNC decided. (They authorized the revote along with the state committee and Clinton.) He even refused to put up half the cost even though Clinton agreed to do so.

I agree with her position. The constitutional rights of voters in MI and FL were violated by the DNC not treating all states fairly. (Two other states who moved their primaries up prior to Feb 5 were not punished.) The court cases regarding MI and FL are still in process. Additional ongoing cases include the Texas caucus investigations and now California investigations.

Clearly the DNC is lacking and the RNC is more competent to run elections. Of course this was engineered by the RNC to divide the party as much as possible and hope for crossover votes out of anger at the DNC. The dem voters and the stupid incompetent DNC keep falling for these RNC tactics over and over. It is no surprise most of our Presidents have been Republicans since Kennedy.

The incompetence of the DNC and its wing control are the two reasons I refuse to support/join the Democratic party. I also refuse to support/join the Republican party with all its corruption and wing control. I am a proud Independent who has always supported Democratic and Independent candidates. It will be a sad day in November if I have to vote for McCain.

Man, the Obama racists are in rare form today. It's funny what people say behind a keyboard. Let's look at the facts without all the distractions. All three candidates are good Americans who want the best for the country (in their view). McCain was the default candidate because all the others were truly unpalatable to the Republican establishment. He's going to be forced to run as a classic (Bush) Republican or sacrifice the support of the republican's most loyal and active constituency, christians. Hillary underestimated Obama and has not run a good campaign by most measures. She keeps inflicting damage on herself because of her exaggerations and Bill's big mouth. Obama has run a very good campaign even though he has some racial baggage he's going to have to deal with. He has out-organized Hillary and has beaten her to the punch. If not for the endearment of the Clinton name to the democratic party, this race would have been over months ago. I predict Obama v. McCain in the fall with Obama winning by about 5-10% nationally. I think the country really wants a new direction and McCain won't push away from Bush forcefully enough becasue he's afraid of the conservative backlash. See? That's how you post without insulting, being conspiracy theorists or name calling. I think we should all strive to be more civil.

BKMC,
Why is Hillary unelectable? Because you say so?

According to the headlines on MSNBC right now McCain has erased the 10 point national poll lead that Obama previously held. McCain has barely lifted a finger and he is already giving Obama a crushing blow.

I will totally enjoy the beating that the Obama zombies are in for should Obama prevail in the nomination. In that scenario you will be crushed like crunching cockroaches being walked on by an elephant.
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Obama, stay tuned for the final episode!
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sonio trevino, that is the last part of your losing scenario including Elton John's message who was regurgitating the same spin, accusing people of being sexist. That is seriously a very wrong characterization of the situation. Hill the Bosnian General is nobody's mother here. We respect women but we refuse to see sex when it comes to decide on work or leadership. She is not the best candidate for the job, that is a fair judgement. Look at her campaign and how it was mismanaged. Because of her excellent managerial skills she will not have the possibility to manage a Rhumshop in the Caribbean. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

DCVoter,
My apologies to you. I know you are using logic and rationale to appeal to the better senses of people. I'm not seeing much responsiveness in the better sense domain, so I know I'm taking cheap shots. Keep up the good work though, I admire your steadfastness.
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Hillary stands up for all voters!
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Do your homework. The document she signed stated she wouldn't campaign in MI and FL AND the delegates wouldn't be seated.

This is a primary, the DNC can make what ever rules they want. The Supreme court has ruled on this.

And for those who think Bill taking $800k and agreeing to LOBBY CONGRESS on CAFTA won't effect her decisions is highly deluded.

The Clintons are crooks, selling us ALL out.

In Dec 2000 wasnt all the Democrats yelling COUNT THE VOTES, now 8 years later the Democratic party is disenfranchising 2.5 million voters because of RULZ.

i am a yellow dog democrat but this year if obama is the nominee, i vote mccain. obama frightens this white man and his ferocious wife scares the heck out of me.

mccain wins and we democrats shoot ourselves in the foot again by nominating the most difficult to elect in a national campaign: a woman and an african american.

Travis

Maybe that's a politically correct post but it still shows your bias. A few facts would be needed if you want to make a valid point. No assertions, please.

svsolis, understand the facts.

Obama requested permission to run a national ad. Obama received approval to run that national ad. That 'national' ad was =gasp= national, so therefore it was run in every state!

Running a national ad and campaigning physically in the state....that which he pledged NOT to do in the states of MI and FL, just as hillary pledged not to do....are two entirely different things.

Obama was not permitted to campaign in MI and FL.

I say give the shrill the FL win, just because all names were on the ballot (oh yeah, that's fair). And I say do a 50/50 split on MI (yeah, this one was fair too). Maybe they should just strip the superdelegates who may have had anything to do with this mess, and then call it a day.

Len - the pledge does not state the candidates agree to not seating the delegates... it says they agree not to campaign... I guess you ignore the truth in that both Obama and Clinton stated in 2007 that the MI and FL delegates should be seated at the convention and both would ask for it at that time. The court challenges are ongoing... the credentials committee has yet to decide and Dean has already indicated that at least FL will be seated and has reserved hotel rooms for its delegates... it is always a good idea to do your own research and filter through all the BS of blogs and the MSM.

I'm sorry to hear you're frightened ron, how sad.

Good for you Hillary. It is about time the Democratic Party understands that they cannot violate the rights of the Michigan and Florida voters because of the rules of the Party. Obama did campaign in FL and lost. But as we all know he does not want the Florida and Michigan votes counted because he CAN ONLY WIN BY DEFAULT. Hillary is ahead in most of the states where primaries are going to be run as well as in Puerto Rico. The Democratic Party knows that the people went out to vote and did vote. So, for real purposes, those votes need to be counted because in the real elections those people are real people that will emit real votes and if the party does not count the votes according to the voter's wishes (versus Obama's wishes) the Florida and Michigan voters are going to be very angry. Are any of the bloggers here supporting Obama from Michigan or Florida? If you are, you do not care to count the votes because Obama wins by not counting the votes. So do Obama care about the voters and their wishes or he only cares about his convenience?

Anyone notice that Clinton picked up three more superdelegates over the past week??

BKMC i do not expect you to agree-but the facts are women get paid less promoted less and fundamentally are at a disadvantage not only in the workforce but in society at large. yes we do need to have that discussion-even if it makes you uncomfortable. i also noticed that in your post you use the term we instead of i -suggesting perhaps that you believe you speak for all men-thanks for making my point.