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Clinton Says Obama's 'Bitter' Remark Could Cost Party General Election
April 13, 2008 3:12 PM
ABC News' Eloise Harper Reports: Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., took the opportunity to capitalize on her rivals comments that people in small towns are "bitter" for the third day in a row.
Speaking to reporters outside some homes in Scranton, Pennsylvannia where she has family roots and today was greeted by many supporters holding signs and offering encouragement. She made the argument that Sen. Barack Obama's comments could cost the party the election and that the party has been seen as out of touch by male candidates in the past. Clinton also criticized Obama for not "owning up to his remarks."
Clinton was asked if this moment was her opening in the race – the one that she has been looking for. Clinton responded saying,"I think what’s important about this is that Senator Obama has not owned up to what he said, and taken accountability for it you. You know, first said he was right and attacked me for raising his remarks and referencing them. Then he admitted he may have said what he said in artfully. And now he he’s deeply apologized if he offended anyone. But what people are looking for is an explanation."
Clinton also threatened that these comments could really hurt the Democratic Party – making a veiled comparison to what happened to John Kerry and Al Gore.
"The Democratic party has been unfortunately viewed by many people over the last decades as being elitist and out of touch we have waged elections over that you don’t have to think too far to remember that good men running for president were viewed as being elitist and out of touch with the values and the lives of millions of Americans. So I think this is a very significant concern that people have expressed. You know the front page of the paper today in Scranton is very pointed and the mayor and mayors across Pennsylvanian and people across our country have all reacted," she said.
Clinton repeated the argument she has been making these past days saying, "I do not believe, as Senator Obama apparently does, that Americans in small towns and small cities and rural areas cling to religion and gun ownership out of frustration they embrace them as a matter of faith and a way of life. We are at a point in America where need to be bringing people together."
Clinton also implied that Obama's comments reflect that he does not respect all Americans saying "I believe if you want to be president of all Americans you need to respect all Americans. You need to respect their values and their way of life and that’s exactly what I will do as president."
Clinton has been speaking about her hunting experience recently, but when asked when the last time she fired a gun or went to church – she objected saying "You know what that is not that is not a relevant question for this debate we can answer that another time this is about what people feel is being said about them and you know I went to church on Easter that is not what this is about. This is about how people look at the democratic party and the democratic party leadership."
Clinton also rejected any notion that she was out of touch – due to her not living in a middle class lifestyle and spending so much time living a more privileged life. Clinton said "Well Bill and I have worked very hard our entire lives and I am very grateful for the successes we’ve have had – and I think a lot of the way we live, even today you know my mother lives with us I've met a lot of mothers and aunts who living with people in these houses as we walk down the street. We are obviously very appreciative of the opportunities we have been given we don’t take anything for granted."
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She'd like o think that. She'd like to believe that. She NEEDS it to be true.
Unfortunately, for her -- fortunately for us -- it is NOT TRUE!
Hillabeans is toast, and no manner of firestorm the MSM and Clintonistas try to make out of the "bitter" remark will change that.
Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | Apr 13, 2008 3:20:32 PM
Obama’s apologies only make matters worse.
It’s like his “typical white grandmother comment”. Remember how he compared his “white grandmother” to “Jeremiah Wright”, so he didn’t have to apologize for Wright’s radical remarks in a church of God?
Now he is comparing "BITTER" Pennsylvanians to his home state of IL. He is calling his home state of IL (and several others) “god fearing, gun, toting, racists” like he did with his “typical white grandmother”. Maybe he feels the people will forgive him if he throws his home state under the bus.
That big bang you just heard is the OBAMA BUSMOBILE crashing into the wall of “truth and honesty”.
HILLARY / EDWARDS 2008!
Posted by: RURAL AMERICAN | Apr 13, 2008 3:23:42 PM
Jackt51,
Oh, really, and I supposed you think Obama's remarks helped the Democratic party. Could you please explain how?
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Face it, Obama jumped the shark!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 13, 2008 3:23:54 PM
After seeing Hillary on FOX news today at the news conference, I really think that Hillary is OVERPLAYING her hand.
She needs to back off a little bit. She is starting to look phony with her bragging about guns and taking shots of whiskey and condescending herself.
Hillary is at risk of turning off city voters if she keeps this up.
There is definitely a risk of OVERREACHING here.
Posted by: Maritza | Apr 13, 2008 3:24:22 PM
HRC has to comeout more strongly reagrding this issue than she did with the Rev Wright issue.
We dont much about Obama and these issues - Rev Wright,Bitter-Gate and Race-Gate are an eye openor to what the man is.
Obama said words matter - well his words matter and show his true beliefs.
Posted by: Kuttan | Apr 13, 2008 3:29:30 PM
Bottom line: Obama is not
qualified to be a Senator.
Posted by: ricki | Apr 13, 2008 3:30:04 PM
Well I guess she could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas.
Posted by: Paul | Apr 13, 2008 3:30:15 PM
Maritza,
I guess you'd like Hillary to be demure, and soft, and all namby-pamby, like a subservient woman that knows her place.
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Obama, he's a man's man, because he knows how to cut down small town people!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 13, 2008 3:30:55 PM
Hey Mark,
Right, this is all about Hillary. Your man Obama didn't do anything to raise even and eyebrow. That's why it's headlines on major news channels everywhere. True to form, everytime the Obama zombie nation's man Obama gets himself in trouble the zombie crowd starts chanting Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, evil.
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Obama, the right guy for the Obama zombie nation.
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 13, 2008 3:33:10 PM
WestCoastMessenger,
I don't think that Hillary needs to be demure, etc. I think Hillary struck the right tone yesterday in her remarks but today she kept going on and on. It was starting to turn me off.
The problem that Hillary has is that she tends OVERPLAY her hand in things which gets her into trouble.
Many people are starting to say that Hillary may be taking this a bit too far and she is starting to look phony.
Posted by: Maritza | Apr 13, 2008 3:36:27 PM
Senator Clinton's main problem in this area is that any argument she uses against Senator Obama can be used against her. I don't blame her for saying these things, she has to if she wants to keep her campaign alive. On the other hand, from a tactical standpoint, it seems to be Maggie William's similar style of myopic attack that ignores the general election. It's like playing chess and only thinking about the next move. Or like playing poker and only thinking about the guy/gal to your right.
And it is very disingenuous of those of you outraged over the Bosnia business to be harping on this so noisily.
Posted by: MIguy | Apr 13, 2008 3:36:49 PM
if dem's don't win in november it will be because of the clinton's--if she can't win then the dem's won't win--i would never vote for clinton never never
Posted by: william | Apr 13, 2008 3:37:09 PM
I'm a bitter American and Obama speaks the truth, unlike some other candidates...
Give me a break...American People is not stupid.
Posted by: Lawrence | Apr 13, 2008 3:37:26 PM
Maritza,
The people that are saying that are called Obama supporters.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 13, 2008 3:37:43 PM
WestCoastMessanger, Hill the Bosnain General's campaign was dying and she believes by twisting Obama's words she will get it back alive, a mistake, same lack of judgement. Jumping and twisting words and msrepresenting Obama's words won't make it. Unfortunately for her and for her campaign, again she is overblowing Obama's words as she has overblown her 1996 visit to Bosnia, same Hill the Commander of the Bosnian snipers. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | Apr 13, 2008 3:39:41 PM
Hillary can't win with Obama supporters no matter what she says or does.
However, Obama continues to show himself as a very questionable character who is not fit for any public office. He definitely is not fit for the presidency.
I cannot believe the democratic party did not do their research on this guy - or the question is - did they and they agree with him on small town America, Rev. Wright's view of the government, Rezko, money being funneled into Illinois from Iraq, typical white people, etc. Who and what is backing this guy - don't tell me a grassroots effort raised the kind of money this guy has in campaign fund. FRIGHTENING!!!
I believe Barack Obama is one of the worse candidates I have ever seen in any election. He has divided this country. The truth behind Barack Obama can not be ignored!!!!! This is very serious business.
Wake up America - this is not about you being right or wrong about him - THIS IS OUR FUTURE!!!!!!
Hillary 08
Posted by: disgusted in Illinois | Apr 13, 2008 3:42:38 PM
To tell the truth, there are a lot more non voters then voters, and among my friends, Democratic and Republican, there is a growing sense that niether party has the right idea. Hillary, Obama, and McCain I see a lot of people just shaking their heads.
Posted by: Thinking | Apr 13, 2008 3:44:23 PM
well i guess we rather have a liar in office. than someone that didn't choose the right words obama mad. at least he maned up to his mistake
Posted by: prncssntsoprfct | Apr 13, 2008 3:44:33 PM
The issue is not the word "bitter" the issue is that small town america "clings to guns and religion"
The guns is a rich history in rural America.
The religion reference bothers me the most - this is a statement of someone who obviously does not have FAITH, or understands religion. We have had "OUR RELIGION AND FAITH" long before we had economic problems, and long before this joker came on the scene.
fyi - I am from Illinois, Obama has done nothing in this state.
Posted by: disgusted in Illinois | Apr 13, 2008 3:47:28 PM
Hilliary hasn't picked up a gun in a long time. Can you blame her? The last time she went hunting with her grandfather, she came under sniper fire.
Posted by: hamishdad | Apr 13, 2008 3:48:45 PM
It's clear why the Hillary camp says that Obama is unelectable - because that's the only way for the superdelegates to justify ignoring the popular vote. The Clintons are just showing their elitist colors - trust them, they know that McCain is right for America. Because there's no way in hell that Hillary will win.
Posted by: Terris Linenbach | Apr 13, 2008 3:50:12 PM
Hillary is full of bologna and I hope Obama goes after her during the debate on Wednesday night, and show how she is exploiting this miss wording to something much much bigger then what it is.
Posted by: Stephen | Apr 13, 2008 3:51:28 PM
I think far too much is being made of his comments. Hillary is just upping her negativity ratings again. Keep it up, Hillary, we don't want you for president.
Obama '08
Posted by: barbara | Apr 13, 2008 3:51:58 PM
Maritza,
The people that are saying that are called Obama supporters.
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Lawrence,
The people that are saying that Hillary still has a shot at becoming the nominee are called ignorant.
Posted by: lmao... | Apr 13, 2008 3:52:07 PM
Come on. Are you serious? This is the best Hillary can do to undermine Obama's campaign? Guess what, American's ARE bitter - they are bitter about the economic mess, the war in Iraq, the lack of meaningful opportunities, the housing crisis, the inability of the government to resolve the Katrina disaster, the climate. You name it, we're bitter about it. Does that makes us unAmerican? Does it mean we are sitting in some corner sulking and acting like petulent children? Of course not. It means we're trying our level best to help ourselves since the past eight years of so called leadership has shown that it is inadequate and unconcerned about helping anyone but themselves. And it means we'll be voting for Obama who frankly should not be apologizing to anyone for his remarks because his remarks are correct. We're being force fed the impression that he's somehow committed some huge error of judgement. He didn't. He spoke the truth.
Posted by: Artchers | Apr 13, 2008 3:52:24 PM
Being from a small town in Illinois, I certainly don't appreciate the picture he painted of me clinging to a gun and only going to church because I am frustrated. He's the one frustrated and bitter, because this nomination isn't the cake walk he thought it would be. His true self is just starting to peek through, and he is having trouble keeping it submerged lately. The only thing I am bitter about is having voted for him for Senator 2 years ago. The only response his supporters have is the usual "He's just speaking the truth." Well, if he thinks people from rural America only go to church because they are bitter and frustrated, I don't think he even knows the truth.
Posted by: dwc | Apr 13, 2008 3:53:15 PM
Her staying in will cost the General Election.
Posted by: A Non Name | Apr 13, 2008 3:54:43 PM
Hillary has lost all morals, and is out of contact with the frustration of the people, yes we are bitter, and sick of her desperate divisive tactics, it is sickening, like Bush, She doesn't care who gets hurt, as a democrat I am appalled, Gas Prices, energy cost,She is a millionaire we are suffering and bitter....
Posted by: Jeff Jackson | Apr 13, 2008 3:54:51 PM
Realtiy now strikes the political pundits. Contrast the politico article on the reaction of seasoned operatives to Obama's remarks with comments of the chattering class--seasoned operatives understand Obama likely loses any general election whereas Hillary likely wins. Even now, the pundits try to vidnciate previous judments favoring Obama by suggesting its still his to lose. Bill was right. This is a fairy tale, and voters are about to announce the news that Santa Claus does not exist. Obama is doomed.
Posted by: edfairness | Apr 13, 2008 3:54:55 PM
A fascinating analysis from Senator Clinton, but at what point exactly did Hillary start caring about the fate of the Democratic Party in November?
Senator Clinton sure hasn't ran her campaign like she cares about the party's chances for victory in 2008. Why start now?
Posted by: Richardson | Apr 13, 2008 3:55:43 PM
"You know" (to use Hillary Clinton's favorite arrogant phrase), when I worked for 15 years as a hotel housekeeper at a Marriott in Buffalo, New York, I heard constantly from the management how upbeat we were, and how focused on getting on with our lives. Clinton said something similar in a speech she made while she was on the Board of Directors of Walmart. Walmart employees also hear this constantly. This is Corporate America's mind program for the working class.
Nothing could more specifically reflect the elite point of view. Not that I'm not upbeat, nor that I'm bitter all of the time, nor most people I know, but we're often very concerned, worried, and at times angry. With his background working in Chicago's ghettos, Barack Obama certainly is far more in touch with how working class people feel than is Hillary Clinton, who spent her pre-political life as a successful corporate attorney, a Walmart Board member, and a successful politician's wife. I'm completely fed up it with her extremely arrogant, girl scout leader style of talking to people.
I think that it was a mistake to make the country aware that the people of rural Pennsylvania are backward, and he threw in his own bias against guns. His list of ways people with serious economic problems they can't fix cope was not a list of ignorant ways to act; it included religion. Barack Obama is himself intensely religious. He did think, probably not entirely mistakenly, that he was describing people who care about their lives.
On the other hand, while Senator Obama's customary forethought is well recognized, Clinton rarely thinks before she speaks, and gets into trouble constantly, never by trying to do good. To quote her double on last night's Saturday Night Live, "Is sniper fire sometimes very quiet, so that people have trouble hearing it?" I think the superdelegates will take that into account.
Neither is this what the "firestorm" is about. This is just what occurred to Hillary Clinton to bounce at us today in the hope of convincing someone to vote for her. I'm sure she hopes that people in Pennsylvania are ignorant enough to see the matter as she wants them to. As for Senator McCain, when I grew up, how upbeat people are was the favorite topic of rural political speeches, and the man smells a bloodfest. I remind the media that this is real life and not a reality show.
Posted by: Dora Smith | Apr 13, 2008 3:56:32 PM
Does this woman have no conscience? As an elder female and feminist I am so sorry that this is what we are getting for a first-woman-candidate for president. Is this what it takes for a woman to hold so much power? Is this a commentary on woman in patriarchy, using the competitive dominating qualtiies of patriarchy to gain position? Yee goddess, it's dismaying.
Tonya Harding redux.
Posted by: Gaias Child | Apr 13, 2008 3:56:32 PM
McCain-Clinton vs. Obama-Richardson! I can see it now.
Posted by: Brian Kolstad | Apr 13, 2008 3:56:59 PM
I had read about what he said, but I just actually HEARD him saying it. "Dem rednecks down there, dey's only gonna vote on dems guns and gay marriages and stuff dat's close to home fo' dems" Excellent candor and so eloquently put. Good way to ostracize 40% - 50% of all Americans. I'm from a very up-scale small town--one that is pre-dominantly pro-Obama--but even I and many of my friends took offense. He lost some votes with that comment...
Posted by: Chris Murphy | Apr 13, 2008 3:57:47 PM
This seals the deal for me. I will never vote for Obama. Ever. His wife hates America, he looks down on working-class white people, inlcuding his own grandmother, and his pastor hates Jews. Where on earth did the Democratic leadership get the idea this guy was mainstream and electable? His cult of personality is out of control.
Posted by: 10 | Apr 13, 2008 3:57:49 PM
This article is an example of what lengths both Obama and Hillary will go to to get elected. On one hand you have a man who often shows his lack of experience though smooth he may be; on the other hand you have a woman who will excuse herself from lying and claim it to be a mistake. How could anyone in their right mind vote for either of these characters?
Remember, if you are voting for anyone this election, the United States will get exactly what it has ask for! If you want change don't depend on the three that are running right now!
Posted by: Marv | Apr 13, 2008 3:57:54 PM
This is a sign of how desperate Clinton has become. But it is also the reason saying "I feel your pain" is more effective campaigning than attempting to describe it. There is an undeniable truth in what Obama said, at to any objective observer. But in the hands of Clinton it has somehow become a faux pas. The fact that we are even talking about it, rather than how to restore the faith in the political process and American government for the working class is indicative of the low state to which the campaign process has declined in this country. We should all be ashamed.
Posted by: Harry | Apr 13, 2008 4:02:38 PM
When you see your enemies eating each other, don't speak and pass the salt.
Posted by: tommyd | Apr 13, 2008 4:03:18 PM
The desperate nature of her relentless attack only reveals her recognition that she is finished as a canididate. In her heart she knows what Obama said is truth personified. Pathetic Hillary displays in the endgame her most salient fearure - shear hypocrisy.
Posted by: jefflz | Apr 13, 2008 4:03:33 PM
What did Hillary lie about today? About her middle class $100 million dollar background?? About being pinned down by sniper fire in PA? I heard Bill Clinton corrected her and said it was in Indiana. Sheesh... How can anyone fall for the Hillary snake oil salesman. She will say and do anything to get elected. She is a bigger liar and worse than even Bush. She is part of the Washington elite the status quo. She is a lying hypocritical opportunist. Shame on you Hillary.
Posted by: Larry Vandemeer | Apr 13, 2008 4:03:33 PM
I think if guns and religion did not exist there would be world peace.
Posted by: mieoux | Apr 13, 2008 4:05:45 PM
I find it pretty amusing that somebody who is asking the Obama supporters to do a training session on grammar, can't even spell the word correctly. Perhaps roneida should consult the nearest dictionary before making any further remarks.
Posted by: No Name | Apr 13, 2008 4:08:10 PM
To the person that thinks Hillary is o.k. angering Obama supporters and still win the general election-you are dreaming. The only people who like her are her hard core democratic voters and right now she is getting some republican support that she won't have in the general. Because of the way she is acting she loses Obama supports, Republicans, Indepents-but hey she still has half the democrats or less. Have you see the polls that show how high her negatives are, how unlikeable she is, how many people see her as untrustworthy? Open your eyes. If she wins the nomination by destroying Obama or stealing it somehow, she is finished. Mark my words. She is way, way overplaying her hand right now-big time! Someone who has made over 100 million dollars over the past 6 years doesn't exactly understand small town people who are bitter and angry about losing their jobs or watch jobs go overseas or losing someone in the war that she supports. Obama spoke the truth and she is taking advantage of this to cover up all her and Bill's lies. It is pathetic. What a terrible person she is, absolutely terrible!!
Posted by: Dee | Apr 13, 2008 4:08:32 PM
Apologies to roneida, it was directed at "Mr Bigger"
Posted by: No Name | Apr 13, 2008 4:10:15 PM
Hillary has to stop desperately twisting Obama's words. It was obvious to anyone who listens to Obama's answer that he is far from being "elitist" - he specifically sympathized with the challenges that workers in small towns face, and said that when people face economic hard times, and have lost hope in that ever improving, they take solace in the things that they can rely on, such as their church. Since Obama grew up poor, turned down high-paying jobs in order to do community work, and is a devout church-goer, and whose campaign is funded by many small donations, it's a little odd for him to be attacked as an elitist.
And it's particularly absurd that these attacks come from McCain and Clinton, who are, in fact, in the political "elite". Specifically, McCain is the 9th richest member of congress, and as Clinton's just-released tax returns make clear, she's certainly making a lot of money. There's nothing wrong with making money, but when you have so much more money and power than your opponent, it makes the "elitist" attack less than plausible.
She and McCain may think that twisting people's words to attack them is "how the game is played" but I think that they've lost touch with the american people, who are tired of politicians who "play the game". We are hungry for leaders who respect our intelligence, and who are capable of real change from the old "play the game" mentality, which is why Obama is winning the race for the presidency despite all of Clinton and McCain's advantages.
Posted by: Laird Popkin | Apr 13, 2008 4:11:18 PM
Amen, Mr Bigger! The Obama camp probably raised the Obama-bloggers rate per post to combat their arrogant leaders most recent condescending and specious remarks about small-town-rural voters.
Hillary '08
Posted by: Emily | Apr 13, 2008 4:12:32 PM
I am a an Obama supporter who will support Hillary to the hilt if she is nominated. However, I don't think she's thinking about the overall good for the Democratic party when she makes those remarks. What happens if/when Obama gets the nomination? How will she do the right thing, and take back those remarks so she can support our party? Maybe she will be able to take them back as easily as she is trying to rebuke her vote for the Iraq war. Maybe she can blame it on not having enough sleep. Or maybe she'll go back to being a Republican and support McCain as she did Nixon... and we can suffer through another 4 years of Republican executive power. Please stop, Hillary!
Posted by: bibi | Apr 13, 2008 4:13:07 PM
Senator Clinton is a Steel Magnolia.
I'm not surprised she does well in Iron Beer country. I live in the country and love it. It's not that we didn't understand what Senator Obama said, we
disagree. And, if he'll take a ride, and step out of the SUV A/C he'll find we smile alot, and I for one was glad I had experience with God and guns when I got to The Central Highlands of Vietnam.
Posted by: Louisiana Man | Apr 13, 2008 4:13:42 PM
She is a fine one to tell HIM to own up to remarks! That Woman is UNBELIEVABLE! Miss Sniper-gate herself!
Posted by: sue | Apr 13, 2008 4:14:17 PM
Well, she's right.. it could cost us the election, but unfortunately, the media will somehow make Obama's gaffes, Hillary's fault.
Posted by: An opinion | Apr 13, 2008 4:14:24 PM
Now hold up a sec people, this is stupid
I don’t know why we have pitted Hillary against Obama and vice versa, after all they are both good people, who have good intentions for this country.
Also, may I point out, democratic voters may see a joint ticket between these two eventually, so don’t fling too much mud out there…
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13, 2008 4:14:52 PM
I am a citizen in michigan, and I voted for hillary. obama's and edward's name was not on the ballot. Since the super tuesday, I felt that hillary had lost and should had graciously got out of the race. If obama does not win the primary, I will stay home, because now I am tired of this long drag out fight, that is tearing the democratic party apart.
michigander
Posted by: ladydet8650 | Apr 13, 2008 4:15:26 PM
The best part about the internet is that it is like a huge mirror.
Posted by: sarantx | Apr 13, 2008 4:16:41 PM
Nominating Hillary Clinton will cost the Dems the GE, not a true statement Obama made.Putting crooks like Hill and Bill back in the white house to continue their deceit and corruption would be a big mistake for America. We made two mistakes 8 years ago by electing Bush,please America no more Clintons or republicans.
Obama 08!
Yes We Can!
Posted by: merle7 | Apr 13, 2008 4:18:13 PM
Obama was explaining to his BIG MONEY San Francisco donors why he wasn't closer in the PA polls to Hillary when he is outspending her 5 to 1 in PA!! Obama's explanation that people "cling" to the constitution and their faith rather than vote for him, Obama, the stunning elite Harvard Obama, straight from politically corrupt Chicago, Obama. If Obama loses in PA by less than 10 points, he "wins" according to the Obamanations (including Chris Matthews). Obama's fix for future elections, "rewright the constitution"....
Posted by: rs | Apr 13, 2008 4:18:13 PM
Well I guess Sen.Clinton has no bitterness because they both earned $109. How can she be bitter? I am an averaged citizen with having lost a job. If I am not bitter, I had to earn over hundreds like her. What Sen. Obama had said was very true due to her former President Clinton who orchestrated a free trade benefited the capitalist class. She looks so phony that she has tried to capitalize word by word and dramatize it in the way looks so rediculous. Well guess she is a lawyer with words.
Posted by: christopher | Apr 13, 2008 4:20:39 PM
Hilary Clinton is the epitome of the over-professional always campaigning politician. Regretfully she has yet to offer one convincing reason why should become president other than it satisfying her family's lust for power at any cost - even at that of a democratic victory.
Her latest attempt at sounding indignant about one of Obama's comparatively undiplomatic comments makes her sound, at least to my ears, like little more than a pompous prig. At least, that is until I reflect sufficiently long to realise that it's all just another cynical act of politicking.
How can the media fall every time for her absurd fakery ? They should try and concentrate on the essence of what was set rather than the packaging, that the poor and politically naive are indeed understandably bitter.
If the Clintons pull off the nomination and election with bah-humbug like this, they will deserve at least a fan letter from Robrt Mugabe.
Posted by: Peter | Apr 13, 2008 4:22:22 PM
Emily, Obama does not have 109 million including 800 000 from president Urube of Colombia to be arrogant. He has not a name Clinton to believe that he is entitled to the presdiency, so he cannot be arrogant. He has not a wife former president to help him to visit Bosnia under snipers' fire, he cannot be arrogant. Overblowing words cannot make it, twisting Obama's words will not make Hill electable since she is unelectable and that is known to the DNC and superdelegates. God bless America and God bless Obama.
Posted by: BKMC | Apr 13, 2008 4:22:32 PM
clinton is full of horse apples
Posted by: DT | Apr 13, 2008 4:24:11 PM
I wish the elections were today so we could get this whole circus over with !!
Independent Voter for Obama
Posted by: teisho | Apr 13, 2008 4:24:19 PM
Hillary's overreaction to this non-starter of an issue is to be expected: the actions of a desparate woman whose candidacy is in very deep trouble.
Mr. Obama at least had the guts to call the situation as he sees (even though the truth hurts at times. Quite to the contrary and true to her disingenuous, Hillary, in order to win (even at this late stage) will, albeit malicious and destructive to the Democratic party, say or do anything.
She, as most millionaires do, is out of touch with the economic plight of the poor, disenfranchised and dispossessed.
Anything from Hillary's mouth must be taken with a grain of salt. People must always remember that telling the truth is far removed from her concept of morality.
Posted by: Desdemondo | Apr 13, 2008 4:24:34 PM
Everybody stop arguing. Obama is an anti-American "Manchurian Candidate," Hillary has an Alzheimer's memory, and McCain is an old war-monger.
So whoever wins—we all lose.
Posted by: Britt Spade | Apr 13, 2008 4:25:05 PM
Hillary has already won the nomination, AND the Presidency. Obama is toast. McLaughlin's already called it, and he's ALWAYS right.
ALWAYS. He was the ONLY pundit that forsaw the overthrow election of 2006, when even diehard Democrats were predicting the usual utter failure via Diebold.
Obama has been Rove's Tool to divide the party from the very beginning, and the DNC are onto him.
Give it up MSM. The man never could win. First, because of endemic racism; now, because of his overwhelming arrogance and, to put it bluntly, his remarkable ineptitude.
It doesn't take wisdom OR intelligence to be a great orator. Ronald Reagan pulled it off in the throes of advanced senility and the early stages of Alzenheimer's. No WONDER Obama reveres him.
Posted by: Leslie Bell | Apr 13, 2008 4:25:09 PM
She "misspoke". Again. She is a pathological lier. She went from a hunter to fired it once!
I am an independent, but man, she has no shame. I'm baffled why would anyone support her, regardless of who the other side is.
Posted by: My America | Apr 13, 2008 4:25:36 PM
Hillary, today the popular PA newspapet The Morning Call endorsed OBAMA.
Posted by: herta | Apr 13, 2008 4:26:05 PM
I read what he said. I understood it. I agree with it. The clintons jumped on the remarks, I think they distorted them, and made them appear to be something they were not. I'm just a retired white guy. I worked most of my life doing a job that is now being done in Mexico, by poorly paid people who get very few benefits and do not have many safety standards in place. Their employers (who used to be my employers) do not have to conform to clean air or clean water standards. But their employers surely have made money from clinton’s NAFTA. Money they use for "speaking fees" to thank politicians for taking care of them. My job is gone, the clintons are raking in millions from the people who took my job, And I'm smart enough to make the connection.
Posted by: DWH | Apr 13, 2008 4:26:53 PM
She's right, and she's lying...
Obama is out of touch. But she agrees with him, and doesn't for a second have any sympathy with Christians or 2nd Amendment enthusiasts. She's desperately making points while she tears her party to shreds.
The will to power embodied in WJC/HRC is absolutely amazing; they have no higher purpose than their own aggrandizement. And I'm coming to believe that BHO's ability to "project an image" in the pursuit of an agenda that is hidden from view is almost as breathtaking.
Posted by: OregonEngineer | Apr 13, 2008 4:28:47 PM
Obama comment - Why is it I have only heard once the Obama refusal to salute the American Flag - and reject the National Anthum ???
Bill, is there a good reson for this or is it just polotics as usual?
Posted by: T.Sutton | Apr 13, 2008 4:28:58 PM
Just consider this. The US govt says that central Pennsylvania is part of Appalachia. It is not just because there are mts. It is a depressed place.
The ones that are not bitter are muddling through sorrow and hurt or using beer or prayer to muffle the pain. They still talk about plants that were closed before I even moved there. I lived in Altoona and Pittsburgh. Altoona was depressed. Some families spend all day after work in the bar, and they wondered with amazement when I left a minimum wage job to go to NYC. They said, "there has never been a strike at your plant". Some may not be bitter, but they are without hope.
It takes all kinds. It is a generality to say of some that they are bitter. They are also sad, drunk, and angry, various ones. Obama is not an elitist, to notice that the people of Appalachia are in pain. You can use whatever word you want for it. Pain, hurt, betrayal.
Obama is actually talking about re-building the bridges and putting them back to work.
That is what should matter most, not whether they are bitter, or angry, or sad or using beer to solve the hurt and pain. They are certainly living in the most depressed part of Appalachia. Pitt lost the debate to WV over whether WV or Penn was the more depressed part of Appalachia, when I was at Pitt. You dont win a debate on that topic if every one has a great job and real propects.
Posted by: bruce becker | Apr 13, 2008 4:29:02 PM
Talk about bitterness! How irresponsible is it for Shrillary Clinton to suggest Barack's comments could cost Dems the general election? Totally. She's unlikely to win, but is indicating she'd rather poison the situation for her opponent if he becomes the candidate rather than support him which is the honorable thing to do. This is a woman who's been caught lying so many times in this campaign without apologizing, she ought not dwell on Obama's misstep after he publicly apologized to those he may have offended. How dare she!
Posted by: Jim | Apr 13, 2008 4:29:08 PM
If you generously assume half of the Clinton supporters will come around to BO's side, that is only about 35% of the electorate. Hillary is right, BO cannot win. And I'm a liberal democrat and I'll vote for McCain if the party nominates Obama. Hillary is the party's only chance not to lose again. Republicans will eat this ivy-and-arugula pansy alive.
Posted by: Sam | Apr 13, 2008 4:29:15 PM
When I left for college I remember my grandfather telling me "son whatever you do don't get above your rasin'". For those of you who are not fluent in rural culture, what he was saying was don't get a big head and forget where you came from! Well it looks like Mr. Obama has gotten above his rasin'!!
Posted by: russell | Apr 13, 2008 4:29:58 PM
Ah Hilliary I would be bitter too, if after 8 years of running for the Democratic Nomination, I was denied it. So I understand it if you finally found religion and, hunting as a way to ease your frustration. What's that? Oh you misspoke and only fired it once.
Posted by: Thinking | Apr 13, 2008 4:30:30 PM
I don't see how anyone could vote for Clinton or Obama. Hillary and Bill lie so much they actually believe what they are saying and then Hillary says that Barack can't own up? She went on late night and laughed about the sniper fire comment. Why should we trust her about anything she has to say?
What scares me is that Obama has all these followers and he has no track record of leadership whatsoever. All he has is a gift for speeches. NONE of that tells us how he will accomplish anything he is promising. Raising taxes exorbitantly will pay for almost anything. And of course, the good old reverand will be at the White House counseling him.....need I say more?
Those of you who think medical care in foreign countries is free, think again. In Canada and Denmark 50-70% of income goes to the gov't to pay for all those freebies. So while your kids get "free" education through college and medical is "free", they sit in very small homes/apts because that's all they can afford. As my Grandpa used to say, "ain't nothin' free"
Posted by: DR | Apr 13, 2008 4:30:37 PM
Well Obama's right... he was stating the obvious.
I'm of Asian decent (born in America) and during the summers my work calls me to enter a lot of small towns. The first time doing that, I was honestly surprised at the amount of "looks" I got.
And Yes, the percentage of christians in a small town is MUCH higher than that of a big city.
Posted by: Lisa | Apr 13, 2008 4:30:41 PM
If we believe this disposable Clinton election manipulation, then Obama's comment could cost 'US' the election.
Posted by: david Schell | Apr 13, 2008 4:32:00 PM
I'm still confused on what Obama meant exactly. It seemed to suggest that rich people who are religious are more enlightened than those who are poor and religious, since the religious poor are just practicing because of their economic downturn.
Posted by: jose | Apr 13, 2008 4:32:21 PM
Now Sam, there's NO proof YET that Obama is a "pansy".
Rove has NO intention of putting that all out over the mainstream media until September, AFTER they succeed at winning Obama the nomination.
But have NO fear; the DNC has known about their plan now for MONTHS.
Posted by: xbjllb | Apr 13, 2008 4:32:27 PM
Dont lie. Obama didnt refuse to salute the flag.
Obama is the only candidate speaking of restoring the Constitution. Do you know what habeus corpus means, or is Latin too elite for you?
It means that they have to charge you with something before you are taken away, and right now the law permits you to be taken away, and never charged with a crime and to be kept indefinitely. That is ok with Clinton and McCain, but not Obama. Vote to restore the Constitutional protections.
Posted by: bruce becker | Apr 13, 2008 4:32:59 PM
Hillary flat out lied about things, ie: Bosnia, uninsured mother. Obama at least tried to put what he perceives to be truth into words. He's right. The middle class is clinging to religion and guns because not only are they bitter, they're afraid. There's no need for this and we should rise above it but how? Confront our perception of where we are going wrong and talk about it without the "bitterness."



