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Clinton's New Popular Vote Argument
April 05, 2008 4:49 PM
ABC News' Eloise Harper reports: For a while now, Sen. Hillary Clinton has been saying that the winner of the popular vote should matter.
But if Michigan and Florida don't count in the Democratic nominating process, it might be difficult for Clinton to catch up to Sen. Barack Obama in the popular vote. So during a campaign stop in Hillsboro, Ore., today she offered some new language outlining how she feels like those two states should be added to the official tally.
"The popular vote in Florida and Michigan has already been counted. It was determined by election results. It was certified by election officials in each state. It’s been officially tallied by the secretary of state in each state," she said. "And the question is whether those 2.3 million Democrats will be honored and the delegates seated by the Democratic Party."
She said that she will fight for these votes to count.
"I will also be fighting to make sure that the votes of the people in Florida and Michigan are counted," she said. "2.3 million voters turned out -- the highest turnout in a primary in either state. Now some say their votes should be ignored and the popular vote in Michigan and Florida should just be discounted. Well, I have a different view."
In front of a crowd of about 2,000 people, she placed an emphasis on speaking about the environment and "green-collar" jobs. Clinton also took a subtle jab at her opponent.
"I am a fighter," she said. :I believe this country is worth fighting for. And I also believe that you don’t make difficult consequential change in America merely by wishing for it or hoping for it."
Clinton also told the crowd, how close she thinks this race is and that she is not going anywhere.
"We have 10 contests still to go and those that wanted to end this election which is so close it's historic, closer than we have seen in decades and decades, it is neck and neck," she said. "It would be like saying we have two minutes to go on the clock and let's quit. Well, one thing I hope you know about me is I don’t quit."
April 5, 2008 in Bush, George W. | Permalink | User Comments (170)
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Clinton lost ALL credibility regarding "let all the votes count" when she started her ploy and statements that pledged delegates are not really pledged and basically should vote for her. Delegates are sent to the convention representing the WILL of the votes via the primaries and caucuses in their states. To have them "change" as she has requested gives any argument she puts forth on the subject of voter fairness pointless.
Posted by: sc | Apr 5, 2008 5:25:52 PM
'Pledged delegates are not pledged', as per Senator Hilary Untrustworthy. lol
So Hilary's pledge delegates ARE FREE to desert her campaign for Obama's.
And let's hope that her pledge delegates desert Hilary soon, so that the Dem's national campaign can begin in earnest.
Posted by: New Yorker | Apr 5, 2008 5:29:15 PM
It's amazing how many voters -- not to mention most of the MSM -- have bought into this "popular vote" bs. Don't you all see it is more Clinton alchemy? First it was about delegates. Oops! Your opponent has more than you and you can't catch up. OK, well then, they're not really PLEDGED, you know -- there's no such thing. Besides, it's about the states I've won with the most electoral votes. Oops! History shows there's no correlation between winning states' primaries and winning them in the g.e. Oh, well in that case, it's the popular vote. Oops! Your opponent is ahead by 700,000. Well, yeah, but that's without counting the two states that I agreed in writing wouldn't count. But you can't DISENFRANCHISE those poor voters!! What do you mean I didn't care until I fell behind? Details, details!!
Posted by: jac13 | Apr 5, 2008 5:35:17 PM
WestCoastMessanger, it is good to live with hope, that is what Obama is asking us to do. Hill, the Bosnian Commander in Chief, will not win popular vote or number of pledged or superdelegates. The writing is on the wall, you do not want to see it. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | Apr 5, 2008 5:36:05 PM
Count all the votes. If you don't then Obama is stealing the nomination. WRIGHT! He will do anything to win, even pissing off 2.3million people, he is retarded.
Posted by: D | Apr 5, 2008 5:46:45 PM
I'm EMBARRASSED for her now. This election was over after Texas/Ohio, and I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she was fighting the good fight, but this is pathetic.
Seriously, any day now she's gonna call for the votes on Pluto to count.
Posted by: Texas Voter | Apr 5, 2008 5:58:55 PM
Didn't work for Gore in 2000, and won't work for her now. Of course, she'd have a much, much, more credible argument if she actually LED in the popular vote, OR electoral college. Keep dreamin' Hilliary. You can steal what ISN'T yours!!!
Posted by: hey | Apr 5, 2008 6:01:05 PM
Any worthwhile leader HAS TO HAVE INTEGRITY!
In a large nation of 300 million citizens, no national leader can interact directly with every citizen.
Therefore THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE WORDS OF THE LEADER is vital for meaningful and effective communication about national matters!
(Remember the words about WMD and al kaida being in Iraq, which is costing Americans in lives, limbs, mental health and huge budget deficit?)
Which American would trust the words of ANY Clinton in leadership position?
Hilary Clinton changes her words and position as frequently as she changes her napkins.
No principle!
No integrity!
Untrustworthiness is horrible in a female, especially an older female!
Bad example for the young women of America is Hilary Clinton. For shame!
Posted by: New Yorker | Apr 5, 2008 6:01:46 PM
Obama is stealing this nomination like Bush did Gore and we democrats are letting it happen. This isn't democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: bob | Apr 5, 2008 6:02:09 PM
Obama can never be trusted with in our white house ,because of his background,i think that ill. should be sued for even electing him as a sentor with his back ground, he should be in prison, not in the white house making all of the decisions concerning our country, another man mebe but not obama
Posted by: bob | Apr 5, 2008 6:02:54 PM
WCM>>>>>> hilly stands up herself and her self only....If you think this woman and I use the word carefully is for you , you are mistaken.She only wants POWER and will do ANYTHING to get it.Got all the money she needs now and more to come after the 2007 taxes about 41 mil.....She won't show these yet for the money came for big companies that paid her to shut up about her BIG medical plan.One insurance co. alone gave her over 800.000 ,,,,,,,,,,
Posted by: h | Apr 5, 2008 6:03:15 PM
The popular vote in Florida and Michigan has already been counted. It was determined by election results. It was certified by election officials in each state. It’s been officially tallied by the secretary of state in each state," she said. "And the question is whether those 2.3 million Democrats will be honored and the delegates seated by the Democratic Party."
he needs them so therefore she will fight for them or better yet there numbers
Posted by: lauren | Apr 5, 2008 6:10:49 PM
Thinking: So what!
The bigger issue is that Obama has to outspend her in Pennsylvania as he did in Texas and Ohio - and he still can't win.
Posted by: morningside | Apr 5, 2008 6:22:58 PM
Jay,
I disagree with your assessment. Even if by some DNC Magic those totals were to be included (including MI, where only Clinton's name was on the ballot), the question is moot anyway.
Delegates is how the nominees are chosen, and even Clinton surrogates concede they cannot catch Obama. Their only hope is the Super Delegates, and a growing chorus of them have stated unequivocally they will not overturn the winner of the pledged delegate count.
I know you're spinning so hard that to your point of view everyone else is spinning, but at least try to remember the rules. You DO remember the rules, don't you?
Posted by: Texas Voter | Apr 5, 2008 6:25:33 PM
Morningside
Actually they are some polls now that show Obama ahead in PA, but it is certain he cut her big lead down to single digits.
Second if supporters begin to think that her funds are drying up, then they start to withhold money, nobody wants to put their money into a loosing proposition. Not the big boys anyway.
So the perception of loosing fulfills itself.
Posted by: Thinking | Apr 5, 2008 6:28:41 PM
Neither Hillary nor Obama can be trusted with the safety and security of this nation, and the majority of American voters know it. While the Democratic party implodes into a miasmic quagmire of mutual slime, slam, vituperation and recrimination between two first-term Senators whose only claims to legitimacy are dueling versions of identity politics, John McCain, the only person left in the race with the qualifications and experience to occupy the Oval Office, is running an honest and decent campaign that is worthy of the American people, and they will reward him by choosing him as our next President.
Posted by: Salamantis | Apr 5, 2008 6:31:05 PM
Jackt51
that is so funny i am still laughing
The Queen should abdicate her throne
In history the minions would scream long live the Queen...Her we are yelling say good bye to the Queen
Obama08
Posted by: lauren | Apr 5, 2008 6:35:31 PM
Back the empty suit, flim flam man and watch him get humiliated in the GE. I guess Michelle can then go back to feeling un-proud to be an American.
Posted by: Jack | Apr 5, 2008 6:35:58 PM
Don't fall for the tripe these two candidates are feeding you. Vote for a person who actually cares for the public as much as he cares for himself.
Posted by: Turku Wren | Apr 5, 2008 6:36:48 PM
Boy she just dosen't seem to have a firm grasp of reality does she? She's been screaming the same thing for over a month and nothing has changed because the DNC is going to stand firm that they will not allow a faulty vote to effect the outcome of this race. Her numbers all down all over, she is at her lowest in trust polls and her unlikability is almost off the charts and she does not get it. People want to play fair. They do not want a winner at any cost. The do not want to see someone act like the school yard bully.
FL and MI votes will count if she decides to let them but much like her decision to disenfranchise them a year and half ago, when she thought she would not need them, she is unwilling to let them count unless it benefits her.
No one, and I mean this honestly, no one could say MI was fair. No one though some do try.
She is getting desperate and it is so awful to see.
Posted by: Sam | Apr 5, 2008 6:37:52 PM
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