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Clinton's New Popular Vote Argument

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April 05, 2008 4:49 PM

ABC News' Eloise Harper reports: For a while now, Sen. Hillary Clinton has been saying that the winner of the popular vote should matter.

But if Michigan and Florida don't count in the Democratic nominating process, it might be difficult for Clinton to catch up to Sen. Barack Obama in the popular vote. So during a campaign stop in Hillsboro, Ore., today she offered some new language outlining how she feels like those two states should be added to the official tally.

"The popular vote in Florida and Michigan has already been counted. It was determined by election results. It was certified by election officials in each state. It’s been officially tallied by the secretary of state in each state," she said. "And the question is whether those 2.3 million Democrats will be honored and the delegates seated by the Democratic Party."

She said that she will fight for these votes to count.

"I will also be fighting to make sure that the votes of the people in Florida and Michigan are counted," she said. "2.3 million voters turned out -- the highest turnout in a primary in either state. Now some say their votes should be ignored and the popular vote in Michigan and Florida should just be discounted. Well, I have a different view."

In front of a crowd of about 2,000 people, she placed an emphasis on speaking about the environment and "green-collar" jobs. Clinton also took a subtle jab at her opponent.

"I am a fighter," she said. :I believe this country is worth fighting for. And I also believe that you don’t make difficult consequential change in America merely by wishing for it or hoping for it."

Clinton also told the crowd, how close she thinks this race is and that she is not going anywhere.

"We have 10 contests still to go and those that wanted to end this election which is so close it's historic, closer than we have seen in decades and decades, it is neck and neck," she said. "It would be like saying we have two minutes to go on the clock and let's quit. Well, one thing I hope you know about me is I don’t quit."

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He's raised and spent all those millions of dollars and yet Hillary is still right there. Why aren't more people jumping on the "yes we can" express?

Posted by: Mack | Apr 5, 2008 6:38:18 PM

A self proclaimed uniter that belongs to a black separatist church is not going to win too many votes in middle America.

Posted by: Mack | Apr 5, 2008 6:42:49 PM

Tony,

That is correct, but you will notice that Obama id still the choice of the Democratic Party and he still stand favorably with McCain, So either the 56% are either being less then truthful or it don't matter.

Think about that; how could Obama loose 56% of Hillary's supporters, that is roughly 25% of the democratic primary voters, and still be leading or neck to neck with McCain and still be ahead of Hillary in the polls.

Posted by: Thinking | Apr 5, 2008 6:46:50 PM

Last time I looked, the DNC was
outranked by the Constitution of the United States...... and does not have the right nor the power to dis-enfranchise the ability of even ONE citizen to vote!

Here we have a situation wherein the population of two states is effectively
erased from the electorate.....
and that's OK.... WITH WHOM????

Not with HIllary followers!
We don't expect the followers of B O to to do anything to re-establish the rights of these voters; they're too busy working on the rights of races....
(just not election races!!!!)

A funny thing about this dumb situation is that B O was the ONLY candidate who advertised during their early voting... and still didn't win!!!

Oh NO!!!! Could THAT be the reason he won't push for the rights of these citizens???

Wow! What a President he would make...N O T!!!!


GIVE 'EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Posted by: questioner | Apr 5, 2008 6:51:06 PM

Florida is slightly different, as all candidates names were on the ballot, but in Michigan Hillary's was the only name on the ballot. And even in Florida no-one really campaigned in that state, so neither is really a 'fair' election in a way that we would recognise as democratic and fair, and the voters of both states knew at the time they voted that delegates were not going to be seated based on those results. Its really Clinton, not Obama who is acting like Bush, and trying to use any argument possible to win this election, never mind what the popular vote, or even the delegate count says. Honestly I genuinely believe the next president of the USA will be either Barack Obama or John McCain. If Hillary tricks herself to the nomination, it will mean nothing as she will lose, no matter what she said to Bill Richardson.

Posted by: markymark | Apr 5, 2008 6:51:58 PM

If Obama won MI and FL and he was behind on the popular vote, do you honestly think his campaign would not fight to have those votes counted. Do you honestly think that you Obama voters would criticize him? Do you honestly think you wouldn't want those votes counted? Every vote should count.

Posted by: Loretta | Apr 5, 2008 6:53:45 PM

questioner


Primaries do not count as votes. They're simply an arbitrary way for a party to nomonate a candidate. Fact it, a party doesn't need to have primary votes and a candidate doesn't need a party.


Posted by: Surelock Homes | Apr 5, 2008 6:54:19 PM

Desperate, desperate, desperate. It's already over, and Hillary doesn't seem to know. Wonder what her real goal is? Maybe she will write a book (sham deal of course) next year and let us know what she hoped to accomplish.

Posted by: rco | Apr 5, 2008 6:55:18 PM


Tired of playing the game MY CANDIDATE IS LESS DIRTY THAN YOUR CANDIDATE? Make a difference.

Posted by: Turku Wren | Apr 5, 2008 6:59:41 PM

Well she is correct in one thing, that is if she keeps fighting it is doubtful that Obama can gain enough delegates to win outright.

What she realy hopes for is a major screw up by the Obama Campaign. You can bet that her capaign is going to the well to look for something. They are digging.

Posted by: Thinking | Apr 5, 2008 7:03:51 PM

Texas Voter, There is no spin, if she is successful in winning a half million more votes than Obama, the Supers will consider that and who can be stronger in the electoral college vote. Also if she wins by good margins Obama will only be ahead by 50 or so delegates. He cannot get to 2024 without the help of the super delegates, so the race is far from over, so now you can go ahead and spin the Obama win anyway you want. He hasn't won anything YET.

Posted by: Jay | Apr 5, 2008 7:04:47 PM

she won because there was no "real election"

Look at the numbers in the polls before every state primary...Hillary's numbers are the same as in Florida (Michigan is a joke because he was not even on the ballot)...

If it had been a real election those numbers would have moved just like every other state... in fact if Clinton hadn't used this as her own tool for her own benefit...we could have probably had an election.

She played these states and the supers aren't stupid they see what happened... She is manipulating a situation.

Those popular votes don't count because it is imperative that all candidates get to introduce themselves...that is why they call it a "beauty contest" ...

unfortunately the Florida and Michigan democratic parties should have never had those elections in the first place when the democratic national committee (and Hillary Clinton) told them they wouldn't count and Hillary didn't care.

She cares now only because it could help her if she looks like she is fighting for them...when it is obvious to those (even those who won't admit itnefariously) outside she is only fighting for her own position.

Posted by: dl | Apr 5, 2008 7:06:08 PM

Jimmy carters family wants Barack Obama
Murtha says if she doesnt get the numbers Barack will win.
Barack Obama08

Posted by: lauren | Apr 5, 2008 7:06:12 PM


Hillary fans.

The game is up and your candidate was a victim of elitists who have hijacked the democratic party. Someboy said above that she's ok with Obama if Hillary doesn't make it. Such a person doesn't have a good idea about what the party stands for or anything about its history.

So sad.

Posted by: Surelock Homes | Apr 5, 2008 7:09:20 PM

the point is if those states had been a real election just like theothers Obama probably would have either tied her or won...but now she swept in there and immediately started manipulating a situation to make it look like she cared about the "voters"...she cared about the votes...those were not real elections because they did not allow those people to meet all the candidates so they voted for the woman they knew from being the first lady for 8 years.

She did not win a popular vote in either state because it was not a real election and unfortunately because of all this twisting and manipulation (typical and why we need to change) she goes back on what she said.

Sen Clinton does not stand up when it counts ...she stands up when it is good for her personally...

A real leader stands up then not using it to manipulate a system which then tears apart a party.

Posted by: dl | Apr 5, 2008 7:12:13 PM

Jay,

I just don't see the math. Setting aside MI and FL (Because Howard Dean has said time and time again he would not honor those results), I just don't see where she makes up the delegates in the remaining 10 contests. She would have to win each and every single contest by over 65% just to catch up, and as I stated earlier, even if by some miracle she even closes to 100 delegates (almost a mathematical impossibility at this point), the Super Delegates will not back a candidate behind in pledged delegates.

I do agree with you, it is not over. We must play the string out. I suspect rather strongly, however, that come June 3rd, it will be official. This is assuming that the steady stream of Super Delegates already moving toward Obama has not turned into a torrent.

Posted by: Texas Voter | Apr 5, 2008 7:17:31 PM

Ed Randell Says he likes Obama and if he gets it he will support him.

Hillary's support is not as strong as she paints it. That is why she keeps coming back with this and that. I think PA could end it for her. If Obama keeps coming on like he has the last week or so It will finish it for her.

Posted by: Thinking | Apr 5, 2008 7:18:00 PM

by the way does everyone know that superdelegates and the committee that created them were created to make the party "more democratic" and to bring in more of the party to vote... superdelegates and the committee (and you can check this with the official documents in the formation of that committee,,,rather than taking Ferraro's complete twisting of the purpose of them) ...those superdelegates were supposed have reponsibility and "strengthen accountability to the members of the party and voters"...

Superdelegates are there to make sure no one plays switcharoonie with delegates responsibilities to their constituents or someone who twists the numbers ...

that is in the paragraph for why the Hunt Commision (the commission that created the supers)...why it was founded.

Posted by: dl | Apr 5, 2008 7:21:46 PM

WestCoastMessenger -

D-E-L-E-G-A-T-E-S. Nothing else determines the winner. Nothing.

Posted by: Texas Voter | Apr 5, 2008 7:30:09 PM

Michigan and Florida do count. 2.3 million Democrats voted in those states and will vote again in Nov. Any Democrats who think they don't exist are not interested in winning the white house in Nov.

Posted by: s.b. | Apr 5, 2008 7:30:51 PM

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