I think that Dean is trying to remain impartial and not put pressure on the superdelegates in terms of who they vote for.

Although I am for Obama, I think the superdelegates should choose who they want.

Ha, finally Dean is talking something that makes sense. It's all about electability. Democrats can't make another mistake as they did with McGovern, Dukakis or Kerry. Obama is not electable!

That should be exactly the dems race about: to pick the best candidate to beat McCain...

SD should exercise their own judgment to make their own choice....

How about investigating that Obama is givng MONEY to the DNC to campaign with.

He is trying to BUY superdelegates and Dean needs to step up and denounce this!

Obama is NOT electable.....the left DEMS can either wise up or lose everything. If they persist in their obstinate pursuit of Barry O, then they must realize that they will lose their own seats next time around.

The people will be heard and Hillary Clinton can WIN and if the superdelegates tank this election, the DEM Party is OVER..........

Yes he says electability, but also says leading delegate count, and popular vote. Translation the super delegates will vote for whoever is leading in the pledge delegate and the popular vote.

Obama08

Finally, I agree with Dean.. SD should look at who is more electable.... Obama is not electable and will be able to withstand the heat... Clinton is a fighter and will fight for us as a President....
Vote Clinton 08

Yes one could say that it what he said but listen to how it is worded and then figure out what question he was ask to elicit that response. What morons making mountains out of molehills or a moleHILL for McCain to take to the barn for a good old fashion whipping.

The race is wide open since the
delegates themselves are not bound...

Finally, I agree with Dean.. SD should look at who is more electable.... Obama is not electable and will be able to withstand the heat... Clinton is a fighter and will fight for us as a President....

Ha, finally Dean is talking something that makes sense. It's all about electability. Democrats can't make another mistake as they did with McGovern, Dukakis or Kerry. Obama is not electable!

The race is wide open since the
delegates themselves are not bound...

The bottom line is that Obama can only win the smaller states. Hillary should be the clear choice since she has won every major state. The major states are what is needed to beat McCain. In all honesty I would like to vote for Al Gore which is what I did when he actually ran. However since he is not running the best person for the American people (black, white or hispanic) is Hillary Clinton

Mr Dean , please keeps your words this time.
The last time you said on tv, MI and FL should re vote again and whoever won Ohio and Texas is representing how the people want for the nominee.

Anyway,this time, I thank you.

Obama was electable until Hillary started acting like a Republican.

Note that Hillary was NEVER electable. Look at her negatives. McCain can't get the neo-cons to the polls, but Clinton sure will raise their ire enough to get there. Plus, you'll lose the African American bloc, the youth-vote and alot of activists which HRC has sh*t all over recently.

Obama is still electable, but the longer HRC commits hari-kari on the Democratic party, the less electable he is.

Consider this - as Rev. Wright appears in the media again, we could stand united and counter with Rev. Hagee's comments about Katrina. Did you know he just said them again?

No? Oh, why is that? Oh yeaaaaah, because HRC is stealing the lime-light yapping about debates in Oregon and some mystical math that gives her the popular vote lead - where hypothetical votes count in FL and MI but conveniently don't count caucus votes.

Seriously, HRC people. SHE HAS LOST. Say it with me,now: SHE HAS LOST. The only thing she's doing now is hanging around like a cat on a curtain, hissing at everything that walks by because she's so annoyed she got herself in this predicament and can't get out.

fin

The superdelagates need to step up an get behind Hillary because that is the reason they were created because of McGovern campaign.
A superdelagate: This pool – elected officials and dedicated Party members – was thought to be able to add a pragmatic and somewhat broader or longer-term perspective to the nominating process. In short, the point of having superdelegates is to make sure that the party does not run nominees who are highly unlikely to win in the general election, or put slightly differently, to consider a candidate’s appeal to the broader voting population that participates in the general election.

Can't wait until Denver! I hope they have a better police force than Chicago did when that riot began.

I say everyone should stay in until then. Why would anyone quit over so few votes. Even Obama would fight to the last if he were only slightly trailing.

Junior,

Obama can escape from Oregon debate this time but he may not able to escape from MCCain if he is the nominee.
Look at the Rev.Wright video ad is going to air on monday.
Nobody can stop it.
So...if you think Hillary is unelectable , you better prepare how to beat Rep.
Anyway,,Hillary is electable from the very first time.
Obama made his own mistakes.
Don't blame Hillary for everything.
He got bitter by his own words.

Where have you been shalab>>>>>>Tax returns are out all but the Clintons they got an extension>>>She don't want people to see her little blind trust in the tune of 41 mil she got from all the big companies...oil insurance wally world medical foreign all the good crap she says she will do away with HA

h --- but, unfortunately, Obama has lost all of his state senate records. How do you think that could have happened?

shalabalaboo --

She's a fighter because she says she's a fighter.

Just like she has 35 years of experience because she says she does.

I don't trust people who repeat people who repeat and don't have any substance to back it up.

She spent like 15 years as a corporate attorney fighting against common folk's interest and fighting FOR the corporation.

she spent like 10 years on Walmart's union-busting board.

OBAMA on the other hand... has been a community organizer fighting for everyday people in chicago. he could have been on the same union-busting boards and fought for the same corporations that hillary did. but he didn't.

Also... a fighter? Obama rose out of nowhere to topple an Ex-President's Wife. He created the most expansive, efficient, powerful grassroots organization this party, na, this country has EVER seen. THAT IS A FIGHTER.

Hillary is more like a petty bar room brawler who gets drunk says something stupid throws some low blows and loses everything.

STOP REPEATING HER PROPOGANDA. Y'all sound like Bush drones in 2000 and 2004. Just because someone says a phrase like "fighter" and "35 years of experience" doesn't make it true.

I think Obama is highly electable. He has energized a whole new generation of dems. And they will still be there voting in Nov. I don't think the superdelegates will go against that.

Nobody can critisize Hillary on her tax returns or what she makes. You don't see Obama or McCain Committed enough to put in their own money. Hillary feels so strongly that she is the best candidate. You have to feel her passion and know that she will do everything she can for the American people no matter what nationality. So Obama and his fans need to stop playing the race card and really start looking at the important issues

Obama doesn't need to use his own money...how much did he raise again. And the only thing Hillary is passionate about is getting back in the white house. It's all about the Clinton legacy, don't be fooled.

Obama is all talk about hope but says nothing about how or what he would deliver. Without his speech-writers, he just stutters and sweats.

Who needs such an inept president?

Even Rush said the other day that he knew some republicans that are voting for Obama. He kept going on and on about how could they do that.

The Republicans are already starting to make mincemeat out of Obama in NC. There is little chance of him beating McCain in the fall. Hillary actually has less ammunition for the Republicans to use.

To Junior2:

Here's something to debate:

1. Why did Obama block a REVOTE in MI? Hillary was ready to go, Obama said no.

I think I know the answer: he was afraid he would be trounced.

2. Why has Obama been running ads in states with open primaries telling Republicans to "vote Democrat for a day"?

I think I know the answer: because he is willfully colluding with Republicans, inviting them to cross-over and inflate his votes in open primaries, so he can defeat Hillary.

These extra Republican votes are not votes for him, they are votes AGAINST Hillary, and will melt away in the general election.

We Dems are going to have egg on our faces in the GE when Obama's "cross-party" support suddenly vaporizes after the Republicans got what they wanted - the defeat of Hillary.

Leaving out MI. and FL. is never going to seem fair to most honest democrats no matter how bad they want thier choice to win this is a plan that Howard Dean and Obama made up before this race started I call it stacking the cards against Hillary from the get go and calling Bill a racist is beyond contemp any respect I had for the Democrtic party is gone I hope they all get voted out.

jkr--

"Hillary actually has less ammunition for the Republicans to use."

seriously?

ROFL.

Seriously???

The electability issue is huge. Howard Dean is facing the reality that they need a strong and fiery opponent against McCain. I think they are slowly coming to the concensus that the person is Clinton. Becoming president is not a beauty contest ie.. popular vote. Obama declines to DEBATE, that is a big no no. It shows them that Obama is weak. They are thinking about November when it comes time to debate McCain. He won't even agree to a face off with Hillary Clinton in Indiana. He will not commit because he knows Hillary will kick his a$$ again.
Dean said the superdelegates have every right to elevate a candidate who is trailing in popular vote. He is gently breaking the news to the Obama campaign.

Oh please, so now you're saying this was fixed from the start. Give me a break. You Hillary supporters are desparate and delusional

kokopelli

Dean also said that it was highly unlikely

Dean's "electability" and "not bound" arguments are essentially Hillary Clinton's current rationale as to ignoing the primary voters.

Dean is politically clever: if Obama wins the nomination, he stood for "electability" as chosen by superdelagates -- not him. He can still approach the Clinton infrastructure and ask for their support.

If Hillary connives her way into the nomination, Dean can still tell Obama supporters his job is to get someone elected.

If the eventual democratic nominee loses, Dean is toast anyway. He cannot seem to be the door closer for wither side, but knows that if the primary voters are enraged he can blame the superdelegates.

The definition of a con artist is someone who can perfectly imitate the actions of an honest person.

The supers are under no obligation to vote according to pledged delegates or popular votes, the original intent of establishing the supers was to prevent red-GOP states and caucus activists from hijacking the party leadership...end then turn around to sabortage us in Nov. Obama is not electable, period. You cannot win without a coalition of all 4 parts that make up the party. Obama is only winning majority of the black votes and let truth be told. I know that some shallow minds are going to scream racism. Obama and his activist supporters has made it imporssible for honest debate and truth about race to be part of this normination process. The supers should vote for party interest and not be imtimidated by the Obama militant machine. Let the supers vote for Mrs. Clinton and ask Obama to join the ticket. 4 years of apprentice as a VP should give him some experience and record to run on. Jumping from state senate to presidency, is absurd and insane.

Obama will be defeated by the Republicans if he is the nominee.

That is why they want to go up against him. He is an easy mark to take down.

The DNC is dreaming about getting him into the white house to use as a puppet. He is obligated to the blacks first, his friends second. He is using the DNC to get the push to try to get there.

To Karma:

I could support either Obama or Hillary in a GE.

To suggest that Obama and Howard Dean stacked the election is delusional.

However, it is not delusional to suggest that Republicans and (Republican) Independent voters who vote for Obama are only doing so for strategic reasons. C'mon. Obama's (admittedly somewhat limited) voting record is among the most liberal in the Senate. He is not an independent, his voting record shows he is a hard-core liberal Democrat. Since when have any Republicans or Independents found that political line attractive? If that were true, Ted Kennedy has missed his chance - he should be running for the Presidency.

The only reason a Republican or Independent would vote for a hard-core liberal Democrat like Obama is...to defeat Hillary.

You can be sure their support will disappear in the General Election. So, please don't bring up Obama's appeal to Republicans or Indpendents as an argument in his favor for the GE.

It may be, as Governor Dean said today, that the superdelegates have the RIGHT to elevate a candidate who is trailing in pledged delegates and the popular vote.

But if they do this, I will be so disgusted with the Democratic Party that I will stay home in November. Which would be something. I have voted in every single election since 1984. My early primary favorite has rarely been the nominee, but I have always accepted the outcome of the primary process and cast my ballot for the Democratic candidate in the fall. But the Democrats lose my vote if THE ONE TIME my candidate gets the most votes and delegates, the superdelegates deny him the nomination.

Harold Ickes is absolutely ruthless. He's in charge of the superdelegates and will intimidate them right to the threshold of career destruction, vendetta, and personal threat.

He has always been the Clinton hatchet man. Halfway between Hillary Clinton and Harold Ickes has always lied plausable deniability.

Watch closely at the superdelegates that are able to resist Ickes' pressure tactics. They will be the ones that have never sold their souls to the Clintons, and belong as part of the post-Clinton era.

Michelle

Only myopic people who cannot see shades of gray vote for their party or nothing. It makes no difference which party they belong to -- they make themselves lemmings.

Remember Harold Ford jr. In TN-2006 senate primary every independent, Dem and Gop voted for him but in general election in Nov-2006, all those folks that gave him the nomination, disappeared. Herold lost the senate race even with a better record and intelligence than Obama. Going from state senate to the highest office in the land is long shot and a very big stretch. It is dellusional for Obama to expect to win any red state in 2008 as a black man.

Well we won't know that tally until Fl and MI are brought into the the "50 State Strategy" that Dean and Barack have talked about all along.

He's not fooling anyone. His contempt for the Clinton's is palpable. He needs to resign.

JWF

I was commenting on Bishops post saying that the election was stacked. And I didn't say anything about the revote issues. I think your post should be directed to Bishop not me

Republicans are claiming Hill as opponent and we all know that reality. The reason is simple, they have not been able to moblize their base and McCain cannot get 1 million in a month, therefore the only one way to get Hannity, Rush and others mobilized and fired-up is to give them Hillary the Bosnian General as democratic nominee.God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.

Junior2, A lot or people are seeing the Clintons in such a negative way now. They both are showing their true colors with the tactics they are using. There is no way she will become the nominee. And I know Obama can beat McCain.

Hills is losing to a newbie senator with a funny name because she got out worked and out smarted.

She simply was not up to the task of running a campaign and got beat by a better candidate.

BKMC, I listen to parts of Rush and Hannity almost daily. They are scared of going up against Obama. A lot of republicans don't like McCain. They'll vote for Obama but not for Hillary

Some posting in here make this statement: "Obama is not electable," or, "Obama cannot beat McCain in the general election." The real truth is, Hillary Clinton cannot beat McCain, and it is one reason why she sometimes sounds a bit like McCain's running mate. The Republicans want Hillary as the Dem candidate because they know they can beat her.

Pitting the men of the Dem party against Hillary in the nominating process is quite different from the general election, where male and female Repubs will vote against HIllary, and where a lot of male Dems will stay home from the polls entirely (they would feel like idiots voting for McCain but can't bring themselves to vote for Hillary)!!

If Hillary is the nominee, Limbaugh and others will play short clips of Hillary's voice, intermittently, all day long. And they will say, "if you don't want to be listening to that voice for the next four years, you better go register to vote. Sure, McCain is not what we want, but anything, _anything_ is better than Hillary." The right wing utterly despise the Clintons - they will spend any amount of money, go to any lengths, tell any lie, to defeat her.

On the other hand, Obama vs. McCain is a race. Sure, the entire rightwing machine will take aim at Obama, but with Obama there are policy and philosophical differences with McCain that will become more important than flag pins and other things. Obama has a good chance of beating McCain - whereas with Hillary and all that Clinton baggage, there is no chance at all.

"Ha, finally Dean is talking something that makes sense. It's all about electability. Democrats can't make another mistake as they did with McGovern, Dukakis or Kerry. Obama is not electable!"

Well said.

JWF

The Rules are the Rules. Everybody voted in favor of the Rules in advance. Hillary has even said the Michigan vote did not count.

If you are from MI go vote against the politicians who engaged in this scofflawism. Better Yet, Impeach the Governor.

But to paraphrase Bill: "If only we could change the rules after the fact to Hillary's advantage..... She'd be way ahead."

Deal with reality.

NO WAY is OBAMA electable. The young who support him, have continued to deny what makes him UNFIT to be POTUS.

WHY ARE PEOPLE SAYING HILLARY OR MCCAIN?
IT SHOWS THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO VOTE FOR A MAN WHO DOESNT KNOW ECONOMY WHO WANTS TO STAY IN A WAR THAT WILL ONLY HURT US AND MAKE US A BIGGER TARGET TO BIN LADEN WHO IS STILL FREE TO ATTACK US WHEN EVER HE WANTS JUST TO BE SOME LITTLE HILLARY PUPPET? THATS NUTS!
I HATE HILLARY BUT IM NOT GOING TO VOTE MCCAIN AND MAKE MY CHILDREN PAY THE PRICE SO I CAN BE STUBBORN AND THROW A TANTRUM ...... YOUR VOTE DOESNT JUST HURT YOU IT HURTS ALL OF US.

Bloggers,
So who is more electable, the out-of-touch empty suit, the master of BitterGate, or the tough, resilient, still-standing, backer of working class Democrats? That would be the latter, one Hillary Clinton!
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Hillary/Angelou '08
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Obama said he wants to raise capital gains tax back to pre-Clinton levels to punish 50 or so hedge fund managers- at the expense of 100 million Americans. Obama is clueless about the economy. The reason we would vote for McCain over Obama is that we love America and will never vote for an un patriotic unqualified losse cannon like Obama.

she isnt tough- she cries about everything that doesnt go her way and she doesnt look out for anyone but herself!
thats why she is going after her own party more than she is going after mccain.

geevill,
see you in 4 years then if mccain gets in and i want people like you to take full credit for the next bin laden attack and the fact that our economy will still be in bad condition... all to throw a tantrum

We, Republicans too think that Clinton is the only one electable.

Please do send us her instead of Obama.

I support Obama but will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. How you Hillary supporters would vote for McCain is unbelievable to me. Do you not care about the war. I am so afraid that the draft will come back. And there has been whisperings of that. I don't want my kids going to a war my family doesn't believe in. I don't want your kids drafted either.

GEEVIL
I AGREE. I AM ONE AND HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY DOING THE SAME. IT IS FUNNY HOW OBAMA IS WRITING THAT OFF.
HE THINKS PEOPLE ARE BLUFFING
THE DEMO PARTY WILL LEARN A LESSON SHOULD HE BE THE NOMINEE

Did anyone catch the latest on the Rezco trial? All Indiana has to do is air the news of this trial and Hillary won't need to pay for any campaign commercials, the local news will do it for her. LOL

BTW Junior2:

you will no doubt be surprised to learn, in view of my doubts and criticism of Obama, that I actually PREFER Obama to Clinton.

What upsets me is how he has been so disdainful of MI & FL voters in order to further his immediate political goals.

No doubt Hillary would do the same if the tables were turned. But HE is the one who is actually doing it. I expected more from him. I guess I must have drunk some of that "kool-aid" geevil keeps referring to.

As to the sincerity of Republican support for Obama - I hope you are right and I am wrong, and that they will continue to support him in the General Election.

THINKING:

Obama is the one who refuses to think of the United States as a full deck of
50!
He won't win the GE should this election get him that far.....

BUT PLEASE,,,,, I BEG OF YOU....

KEEP HIM AWAY FROM ILLINOIS!

QUESTIONER
I just read your post. Great insight. That is ineteresting. There is a spot on Hillary's web where you can give her campaign feedback.

There is no way Obama can win this election. The republicans are already launching the proper attacks against him in early, very early stages. If he gets the nom, just wait until the GE.
Hillary is the best candidate for the job, as she has the experience it takes to go in and get started from day one.

It is begining to sound like a chant to calm yourself down. Obama is not electable. Obama is not electable, Obmama is not electable. Boy I feel better!

All these facts based on opinion Egads!

Obama08

LIsa,
I would love to hear your reasons for voting for Obama. Most of his supporters simply attack Clinton.

Hey Lisa. How can you support a man who sits in a church and listens to a man who condemns our country, the white race, exposes his children to these ravings, and dances in the aisles? I once thought Obama was an asset to this country's political force. But now, I see him as a puppet on a string led by others with a self=serving agenda. GO HILLARY..............

Say What?
In two consecutive paragraphs
Howard Dean flip-flopped!
"I think the race is going to come down to the perception in the last six or eight races of who the best opponent for McCain will be. I do not think in the long run it will come down to the popular vote or anything else," said Dean.

Dean added that he thinks it is "very unlikely" that the superdelegates will elevate a candidate who is trailing in pledged delegates and the popular vote before adding that "it is possible" and that superdelegates have "every right to do it."

So which is it? Is Dean saying the
super delegates should vote for
the candidate they feel is more electable or the candidate with the most
pledged delegates and popular vote?

Electability - that matters.
But maybe it matters even more to elect The Decent Person.
No One can EVER say, that Clintons are Decent - neither one of them

So - what is it all about?

To elect Dirty Clintons and announce American Disgrace Choice?

I think that what's changing the dynamic are these new republican ads - at the state level - that are linking democrats in state/congressional races to Obama and his questionable associations. These ads stand to derail the candidacies of many democrats.

The DNC may have been willing to take a chance on Obama at the top of the ticket but it can't afford to sink the prospects of so many congressional and state office democrats.

Expect to see more of these ads despite McCain's public repudiation.

Clinton has turned off far too many voters to win. McCain would run circles around her in a general election. Deep down, you all know this.

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Clinton is not electable!
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Message to Hillary Supporters!
Dean did not say the SD's should
only consider "electability"!
He covered all sides by saying he
didn't think the SD's would vote against
the candidate with the most delegates
and most popular vote!
He spoke out of Both sides of his mouth
and Solved Nothing!

Linda, dirty Clintons?????? When Bill had office, we all had jobs, food on the table, and gas in our cars to get us to our jobs. Now, let's talk about dirty Obama. The Rev. Wright, Farakahn, the NBPP, Rattso, Ayers, and last but not least, 'bitter small town America'.......

Carla Sue that was the 90's. The 90's won't come back. It is long gone. We need a pres for 2008, The Clintons are history. Out with the old, in with the new.

Race does not matter to me. I'm a black republican and I'll be voting for John McCain. The democratic party is pathetic, and deserves to lose.

Unfortunately, we don't know who is electable, and the outcome of this primary does not help.

Anyone who claims otherwise, whether Obama supporter, or Clinton supporter is whistling in the wind.

It would have at least helped if the process had given us a clear winner, but since nothing was worked out regarding MI & FL, this won't happen.

At the end of the day, whichever candidate gets the nod, the other can reasonably argue they've been robbed (Obama=count the delegates, Hillary=count the votes, and include MI & FL)

The process has neatly split the party in two. Good job DNC!

The DNC (i.e. Howard Dean) screwed up royally.

Obama is NOT electable
-Liberaljean
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MF, WHO GAVE YOU RIGHT TO SAY THAT!
HE WON 30+ STATES VOTERS VOTES, HE DOES NOT NEED YOUR VOTE! F$%% Off!! BI#ee!!

OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!

Lisa, if I had a choice between living in the 90's and now......guess what I and 90% of America would choose....just think, food on the table, jobs, gas in the car.....

If you are a Hillary Fan and you want to vote for McCain go ahead. You reap what you sow. Here is a taste:

The NLRB will continue to be dominated by extremist republican apparatchiks. Enjoy.

The Courts will continue to be packed by Republican Activists. Including the Supreme Court! Enjoy!!!

Healthcare unaffordability continues to rise. Enjoy.

Bush League Economics will continue INDEFINITELY. Enjoy.

War, More War, and Continued War. Enjoy.

Signing Statements and Executive Orders. Enjoy.

Have a Happy Happy Joy Joy.

Stop trying to scare people. You democrats claim to be able to change the country, and you can't even keep from tearing each other apart. Why should anyone trust you? Every day I turn on the news and Obama is trashing Clinton, or Clinton is trashing Obama. This is what you want for the country?

Clinton is mediocre. Obama is mediocre. McCain is THE MAN. Get a clue, Commander Guy.

Electability is what winning an election is all about. This is why we have super delegates.
Elections are about winning.
Hillary wins the states we need! Hillary doesn't have the baggage that Obama has: Wright, Rezko, Auchi, Ayers.

andrea,

DREAM ON!!WAKE UP ON JAN 20TH 2009!!

OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!

Why is Hillary losing her supporter???

Why can't she close the deal???

Could it be 60% of democrats distrucst her and do not like her.

Hope the superdelegates don't end up presenting the nomination to Obama. I'm a Hillary supporter, and if she doesn't get the nomination, I'd rather vote for McCain. I just don't trust Obama. Atleast, I know that both Hillary and McCain are patriotic Americans.

carla sue, Hillary and Bill have their own agenda. They don't care about us. They are all about the Clinton legacy. You think that I don't want to vote for the best president. I will vote for Hillary if I have to. But she doesn't care about us, she only pretends. WAKE UP

To all of you supporters of Mrs. Clinton

1. What has she actually done, besides being the wife of President Clinton?

2. What has she ever lead - she did lead health care reform (which was a disaster)

3. How can you possible support someone to be CEO of the largest company in America that over 60% of the American people don't trust?