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DNC Panel to Weigh Florida and Michigan Challenges
April 25, 2008 6:36 PM
ABC News' Teddy Davis and Talal Al-Khatib Report: The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee will meet on Saturday, May 31 in Washington, D.C., to consider whether the DNC panel exceeded its authority when it stripped Florida and Michigan of all of its delegates for holding their primaries before Feb. 5th, 2008.
The Michigan and Florida challenges are trying to get all of the superdelegates plus half of the two states' pledged delegates seated at this summer's Democratic National Convention.
The challenges, which will be watched closely by the Democratic presidential candidates, do not stipulate how the pledged delegates should be split between Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y.
Getting the Florida and Michigan delegations seated is a top priority for Clinton not only for the additional delegates it could yield but also as a way of getting more superdelegates to pay attention to the votes she garnered in the two states when assessing which candidate has more popular support.
April 25, 2008 in Tancredo, Tom | Permalink | User Comments (164)
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Michigan should split the delegates because Obama's name wasn't on the ballot and people voted uncommitted. But Florida's delegates should reflect the actual vote because the candidates were on the ballot.
Posted by: Lois, California | Apr 25, 2008 6:58:49 PM
It would be costly- but Florida and Michigan just need a re-vote. With both names on the ballot and every resident knowing their vote will be counted. That's the only fair way. None of this splitting the votes 50/50 garbage.
Posted by: MarkRoanakeRapids | Apr 25, 2008 7:06:11 PM
Michigan & Florida should be actually counted and not split. It wasn't Hillarys fault that Obama's name wasnt on the ballot. If he's so concerned, then he should pay to have a primary there. Obama is just chicken cause he knows ultimately what is going to happen. In the end the DNC will determine that Hillary is the only one capable to face McCain in the end.
Posted by: kito11 | Apr 25, 2008 7:06:26 PM
They knowngly broke the rules... just like a democrat to refuse to play and sue for half of the purse, after the fact. They made their bed, hell with them. If they don't care about the integrity of their votes, why should they be bailed out from their own mess. They, and no one else chose to make their voice irrelivant. End of story.
Posted by: Zdnet | Apr 25, 2008 7:07:49 PM
This rule and bylaw committee has a very flawed judgement. How in the world will DNC expect to win a general election without FL and MI? Provoking voters backlash in close election is irresponsible and myopic. This committee should revolk their ban on FL and MI or else the voters in these states will revolt massively which will definitely affect Dems chances in November. DNC should hold another election in FL and MI or give Mrs. Clinto Forida then split Mi between her and Obama. Obama should not be allowed to dictate to the committee's direction. Success and unity of the party is preeminent and should be above personal ambition.
Posted by: Ed Banks | Apr 25, 2008 7:14:58 PM
HATE TO RAIN ON THE OBAMA CORONATION PARADE BUT...ya'all wanted to play by the rules SO LET'S...
Rule 11.A. of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2008 Democratic National Convention states the following:
11. TIMING OF THE DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS
A. No meetings, caucuses, conventions or primaries which constitute the first determining stage in the presidential nomination process (the date of the primary in primary states, and the date of the first tier caucus in caucus states) may be held prior to the first Tuesday in February or after the second Tuesday in June in the calendar year of the national convention. Provided, however, that the Iowa precinct caucuses may be held no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the Nevada first-tier caucuses may be held no earlier than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the New Hampshire primary may be held no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February; and that the South Carolina primary may be held no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February. In no instance may a state which scheduled delegate selection procedures on or between the first Tuesday in February and the second Tuesday in June 1984 move out of compliance with the provisions of this rule.
++ BUT HERE IS THE KICKER ++
We already know that Florida and Michigan violated Rule 11.A. by moving their primaries to a date before the first Tuesday in February. There is no argument there, but what about Iowa, New Hampshire, and yes, South Carolina too.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Apr 25, 2008 7:18:04 PM
Florida votes should be counted because it was not the voters fault that their state had to vote early. It was the devilish hands of the GOP dominted lawmakers in Florida that deliberately sabortaged the primary in that state. The other blame goes to the DNC committee that did not have the commonsense and foresight to see the GOP distablization plots. As the Florida votes goes so goes our chance of getting back our nation from the extremist tugs that has held it hostage for the last 7 years.
Posted by: Ed Banks | Apr 25, 2008 7:22:52 PM
So far, Obama has successfully blocked any recount efforts. I'm sure he'll continue to do so. The DNC committee will do NOTHING to alienate the black voters.
Posted by: Aston | Apr 25, 2008 7:24:58 PM
Delegates should be seated from the Florida and Michigan Delegation with a mandate that they split 50/50 between Obama and Clinton. Neither state deserves the power to impact the nomination, as that power would give them an advantage over the legitimate states. Any settlement in favor of Hilary's changing the rules, would destroy the party.
Posted by: Rich | Apr 25, 2008 7:32:01 PM
what happened to Howard Dean's 50-State Strategy?????? He is full of B.S. if he won't count the Florida and michigan votes....specially Florida because, it was the GOP controlled Legislature who advanced the primary date.....Yeahhhhhhhh!!!!!
Posted by: John | Apr 25, 2008 7:33:22 PM
Obama chose not to put his name on the Michigan ballot because he didn't want to waste resources campaigning in a state that had no delegates. If the DNC now gives the entire state to Hillary, how fair is that?? It's like playing a game of Hold 'Em and being told after the river that, oh, people have been complaining about their hands, so we changed our minds: threes and fives are wild.
Posted by: Hyperbole | Apr 25, 2008 7:33:55 PM
Why is this committee meeting so late in the game? I am concerned that they have no intention of doing anything about their flawed decision. Meeting so late in May 31 will only exonorate them from condemnation of voters so they may think. I am quiting this spinless and confused party if Fl votes are not counted. You do not loose important state that you need to win the general election and still hope to win anything. Wisconsin, Virginia and MN are not reliable Dem states as Obama has showcased them. Wining bunch of red states and caucuses is like building a pie in the sky, It is a sham, empty argument and lunacy that Obama's red states will be there for him in November. Let's get real, the man is not ready.
Posted by: Ed Banks | Apr 25, 2008 7:34:13 PM
Just because a "rule" existed that said the Dems shouldn't count Florida and Michigan, doesn't mean that we can't use our intelligence, call a spade a spade, and say that the rule is stupid, and have a re-vote. In Cuba, there are rules say that you can only vote for one Political Party--just because that is a "rule," doesn't mean the rule is right and we should all show deference to it. In an election where both Dem candidates have spent over 500 million dollars campaignin, it seems like it would make sense to spend 10-20 million to do a revote that will allow two crucial States for the dems to have the right to vote. If we didn't have the capacity to change our behavior and against dumb rules--women and african americans wouldnt have the right to vote. Hey, a rule is a rule.
Posted by: Ben | Apr 25, 2008 7:34:48 PM
Here's a solution:
Hold a revote in MI, seat the FL delegates according to vote count in the original vote.
The FL vote was fair. Both Hillary and Obama were on the Ballot. In any case, it was the Republicans who moved up the primary. Why should Florida democrats be punished?
Unfortunately, Obama has already blocked a revote in MI once, because he thinks he will lose. The DNC should overrule him for the sake of party unity. and so that there will be a clear, undisputed victor.
Its that easy. I'm sure the DNC will screw it up.
Posted by: JWF | Apr 25, 2008 7:36:43 PM
Once again the Clintons ignore the rules and we are all supposed to just ignore it. I guess it depends on what the meaning of "is" is, but let's be fair here: both candidates signed and agreed not to campaign in Florida. Again Hillary ignores the rules and holds a campaign in Florida calling it a "fund raiser". Also, per the rules, Barack was not on the ballot in Michigan, yet Hillary was. Bill Clinton was impeached for his behavior in the White House. Now he is trying to get back in!
Posted by: Joan | Apr 25, 2008 7:44:38 PM
Florida and Michigan 2.3 million voters overturned the myopic rule of DNC . none of the candidates campaign there. So the vote should be counted as it is. Unles DNC working for McCain .
Posted by: kast | Apr 25, 2008 7:47:28 PM
"The Michigan and Florida challenges are trying to get all of the superdelegates plus half of the two states' pledged delegates seated at this summer's Democratic National Convention."
Why would only half of Florida's pledged delegates be seated?
Posted by: TexasLJ | Apr 25, 2008 7:51:02 PM
Any candidate who left their name on a Michigan or Florida ballot as a Democratic party nominee for President, actually or impliedly violated the Rules and spirit of the Rules of the Party.
They campaigned! Putting and leaving a name on the ballot is an act of campaigning.
Posted by: phil douglas | Apr 25, 2008 7:53:13 PM
ACCORDING TO DNC PRIMARY RULES
5 states violated rule 11A (they were iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, michigan and florida.
but only Michigan AND FLORIDA were penalized, why is that?
according to Rule 20.C.1.a. all 5 states should have had their pledged delegates reduced by 50%.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Apr 25, 2008 8:03:23 PM
"Make Every Vote Count"
"Make Every Vote Count"
"Make Every Vote Count"
As a Democrat - that's our battlecry, right???
Posted by: Nick | Apr 25, 2008 8:11:27 PM
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