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Obama Reacts to 'Bitter' Controversy
April 14, 2008 4:02 PM
ABC News' Sunlen Miller Reports: During a speech Monday at the Associated Press' annual luncheon, Sen. Barack Obama held firm to the sentiment of his now controversial "bitter" remarks, but for the first time said they "may have been a mistake."
Obama opened up with a joke before the press heavy crowd, "I kept a lot of you guys busy this weekend with the comments I made last week. Some of you might even be a little bitter about that."
Watch the VIDEO HERE.
At a private fundraiser last week the Illinois senator said economic problems had led voters in some small towns to become "bitter" and "cling to guns or religion" -- remarks that have sparked controversy and intense rebukes from Obama's opponents Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. John McCain.
Obama said he regrets the words he chose saying it may have been a mistake, “partly because the way that these remarks have been interpreted have offended some people and partly because they have served as one more distraction from the critical debate that we must have in this election season.”
The senator did not back away from the sentiment of the message yet again defending himself, “contrary to what my poor word choices may have implied or my opponents may have suggested, I’ve never believed that these traditions or peoples' faith has anything to do with how much money they have. But I will never walk away from the larger point that I was trying to make and made in the past.”
Obama criticized McCain, who just hours before had stood on the same stage.
"Senator McCain and the Republicans in Washington are already looking ahead to the fall and have decided that they plan on using my comments to argue that I’m out of touch with what’s going on in the lives of working Americans," Obama said.
"I don’t blame them for this -- that’s the nature of our political culture, and if I had to carry the banner for eight years of George Bush’s failures, I’d be looking for something else to talk about too.”
The first question asked of Obama during the question and answer session was if is possible for a Democrat to talk about guns, gods and immigration without getting in trouble.
"I actually think it’s possible and not only is it possible, but it’s necessary,” Obama responded.
The most intriguing question of the day, which made Obama furl his nose toward the questioner, was if he believes that Clinton should step aside in the nomination contest.
“I suspect that she will have a response for that tomorrow,” Obama quipped back, as his Democratic opponent is slated to appear before the group on Tuesday morning.
Obama then gave Clinton a backhanded compliment for staying in the race. “This has been a hard fought contest partly because Sen. Clinton has been a formidable candidate. You know there aren’t very many figure in American politics that can sustain eleven straight losses and hang into a race, and raise $35 million dollars and in that sense she’s unique.”
Obama said that comparatively, McCain being the presumed Republican nominee, has an advantage, while the Democrats battle it out.
“The fact that our contest is still going on means that John McCain comes in here, he’s feeling pretty good. You know, I suspect he’s getting more sleep than either Sen Clinton or myself are getting. And he can be a little more deliberate and pace himself and that probably explains the close in the polls,” Obama said of the national polls which show McCain’s numbers improving.
Obama said his frontrunner standing in the contest has allowed him to remain, in his eyes, more above the fray than Clinton – and said that her criticisms have made him tougher.
"I have tried to figure out how to show restraint and make sure that during this primary contest without damaging each other so badly that its hard for us to run in November. Obviously its a little easier for me to say that since I lead in delegates, in states, and in popular vote," Obama said. "Sen. Clinton may not feel that she can afford to be as constrained but I’m sure that Senator Clinton feels like she’s doing me a great favor because she’s been deploying most of the arguments that the Republican party will be using against me in November and so it's toughening me up.”
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He's still not admitting that he made a mistake. How arrogant.
At least the public understands. Almost 60% of Americans polled disagree with his contention that country folk can't think for themselves.
Posted by: S | Apr 14, 2008 4:10:47 PM
Funny, how Obama just acts like he's the nominee... regardless of the glaring fact he hasn't won a single large populous state except Illinois. Yeah, that's a winning formula in the fall. He's so arrogant. Ha.
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | Apr 14, 2008 4:11:53 PM
If Obama is not being an elitist in SF, then he must just be social climbing throwing small town folks under the bus to get into the elite circle and their purses.
Posted by: Rita | Apr 14, 2008 4:12:00 PM
His comments about Hillary certainly aren't in sync with his speeches about bringing a NEW KIND OF POLITICS.
Posted by: catherine in nm | Apr 14, 2008 4:12:22 PM
obama is a wordsmith; he knew exactly what he was telling folk in san francisco; he did not, however, know he was being recorded.
he got caught; now he is trying every whichaway to wiggle out of his words.
it is pathetic.
Posted by: ron | Apr 14, 2008 4:14:00 PM
obama is a wordsmith; he knew exactly what he was telling folk in san francisco; he did not, however, know he was being recorded.
he got caught; now he is trying every whichaway to wiggle out of his words.
it is pathetic.
Posted by: ron | Apr 14, 2008 4:14:01 PM
Obama is so full of himself it's not funny!!! Elitist according to the dictionary, has nothing to do with how much money you earn. It is defined as-"the belief that some people or things are inherently superior to others and deserve preeminence, preferential treatment, or higher rewards because of their superiority." Obama the Elitist!!
Posted by: CD | Apr 14, 2008 4:15:17 PM
The Obama campaign has given up the uniter or the 'new politics' angle. They cant support it anymore.
They are just going along with the 'he is the inevitable nominee' rhetoric now.
Obama is definitely a better politician than he was 3 months ago.
But he is also a FAR WORSE nominee than he was in mid febuary. He will continue to get worse as this goes on. His whole campaign relied on the fact he was squeeky clean and could appeal to everyone.
That is impossible now.
He is unelectable.
Posted by: tomdavie | Apr 14, 2008 4:15:42 PM
Obama thinks it was funny when he was making fun of Annie Oakley and Hillary. I found it offensive and not far from being racist!
Posted by: CD | Apr 14, 2008 4:18:11 PM
Wait till the Chicago Sun-Times Bombshell is reported nationwide. I'll give you a hint....it ain't good for Obama. Hello Tony Resko!
Posted by: Kenny from CT. | Apr 14, 2008 4:19:17 PM
You know there aren’t very many figure in American politics that can sustain eleven straight losses and hang into a race, and raise $35 million dollars and in that sense she’s unique.”
How utterly condesending of Obama.
Posted by: geevill | Apr 14, 2008 4:21:23 PM
geevill-we'll see how he hangs in there after he loses big in Pennsylvania!
Posted by: CD | Apr 14, 2008 4:23:01 PM
Kenny from CT.
Tell us more!!
Posted by: S | Apr 14, 2008 4:24:24 PM
THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN OBAMA'S MODUS OPERANDUM. (MO)
WHENEVER YOU MAKE A mistake blame it on HILLARY CLINTON. IF IT DOES NOT WORK FOR OBAMA -HE WILL GET HIS MEDIA MOGULS TO DO IT.
THIS GUY IS A WHINING LITTLE BOY.
HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT OBAMA'S MOTHER.
OBAMA MADE A MISTAKE-HE SHOULD BE APOLOGIZING TO THE PEOPLE.
HILLARY SHOULD KNOW WHAT OBAMA MEANT???
EXCUSE ME??
ANYTIME HE MAKES A MISTAKE-HE TURNS INTO A BULLY
APOLOGIZE, OBAMA, APOLOGIZE FOR ONCE!!!
THE OVER-PRICED SHIP IS SINKING...
Posted by: TJ | Apr 14, 2008 4:24:59 PM
THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN OBAMA'S MODUS OPERANDUM. (MO)
WHENEVER YOU MAKE A mistake blame it on HILLARY CLINTON. IF IT DOES NOT WORK FOR OBAMA -HE WILL GET HIS MEDIA MOGULS TO DO IT.
THIS GUY IS A WHINING LITTLE BOY.
HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT OBAMA'S MOTHER.
OBAMA MADE A MISTAKE-HE SHOULD BE APOLOGIZING TO THE PEOPLE.
HILLARY SHOULD KNOW WHAT OBAMA MEANT???
EXCUSE ME??
ANYTIME HE MAKES A MISTAKE-HE TURNS INTO A BULLY
APOLOGIZE, OBAMA, APOLOGIZE FOR ONCE!!!
THE OVER-PRICED SHIP IS SINKING...
Posted by: TJ | Apr 14, 2008 4:25:06 PM
Yes Kenny-tell us more!
Posted by: CD | Apr 14, 2008 4:26:59 PM
Sure...everything Obama says is racist!
All black people are racist.....well, because they're black!
Now the US K K K of A is much more understandable now, isn't it?!
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Apr 14, 2008 4:27:45 PM
For those who say he manufactured those words for just the San francisco crowd you obviously have not seen the video of his Charlie Rose interview from 2004...where he said pretty much the same things about people turning to their religion and "guns" but didn't use the word "cling" ...which I think is a total created controversy from the people who wanted Clinton and the people who are afraid of a dem in the white house...and want Hillary against McCain in the GE... now that's a no brainer... Americans don't vote for candidates they don't like... and they want a change candidate numero uno. McCain beats her on both. Obama beats him on both (even with Hillary and her supporters doing their best to try to trash him every other day lol)
Posted by: dl | Apr 14, 2008 4:29:02 PM
LA in Indiana,
I firmly do not believe Obama is a rascist. I do think you are, though. I give Senator Obama the benefit of the doubt.
Instead, I think he's an elitist, backed by wealthy liberals from the two coasts.
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Obama, appealing to the bi-coastal elites!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 14, 2008 4:32:01 PM
If she gets the nomination from distorting his words, I will enjoy watching the republicans tear her down just as she has done Obama.
Apparently, there is no honor, no integrity, no honesty in politics. They forgot to tell Barack.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Apr 14, 2008 4:32:29 PM
to S:
The polls I've seen the last day or two show MOST folks believe what he said to be fundamentally true - people are angry, bitter about how they are forgotten and only the special interests are taken care once the political season is over.
Where in the world did Senator Obama say, "people can't think for themselves"?
Posted by: Larry Jines | Apr 14, 2008 4:33:20 PM
WOW! Is everyone on this site a Republican troll, or have Hillary supporters gone over the brink? So much anger, so many distortions, such barely contained bigotry. You'd think Obama was winning or something!
Posted by: balthus | Apr 14, 2008 4:33:45 PM
Only far left liberals 'understand' Obamas comments. His well placed bribes in the liberal media will help him out, but he is too damaged now.
You can only get so many nicks and cuts before you find yourself bleeding to death.
This flap that came right out of Obamas mouth justifed his church, his spiritual advisor and his wifes comments. Tying all of it to the fact Obama obviously agrees with it all.
He is unelectable.
If Kerry, Kennedy and Pelosi insist on shoving him down our throats as the nominee, we demand they resign when he gets wiped out in the general election.
Posted by: tomdavie | Apr 14, 2008 4:33:46 PM
Obama thinks he's been staying above the fray?
If the media were honest, we'd find out that TEAMOBAMA has in fact stepped up its attacks on Clinton ever since she won the Texas and Ohio primaries. There was speculation weeks ago that it would be Clinton that would resort to "unfair" (kneecapping) tactics - with the unfortunate reference to Tony Harding.
In fact, it's been the Obama campaign that has stepped up its smears, posting vile comments and lies about her and President Clinton all over the web.
Even before Obama's condescending remarks, Clinton had started to reverse her decline in the Pennsylvania polls. Whether it's the common sense of voters who wonder why the so-called front runner needs to outspend his opponent 5 to 1 or admiration at her resilience, toughness and talent - Clinton is going to win big in Pennsylvania.
She'll carry that momentum to the next primaries and if Democrats want to win in November, they'll be hard pressed not to give her the nomination.
Posted by: morningside | Apr 14, 2008 4:35:23 PM
LA in Indiana - Feeling a little BITTER?
So, why do you think all black people are racist???
Posted by: CD | Apr 14, 2008 4:35:28 PM
Obama was at a secret San Francisco fundraiser at the home of highly devout Sunni Muslim Sohaib Abbasi when he made his now famous "bitter" comments. Obama was explaining to the BILLIONAIRE donors why they can't buy him a win in PA! Obama has bullied and bought the superdelegate votes, and he has tried to bully Hillary out of this race..wouldn't it be great to really know what Obama's camp has been saying to Hillary behind the scenes? Hillary is tough for standing firm against this monstrous dirty Chicago political machine! What really did make John Lewis switch his superdelegate vote to Obama, anyone really believe that it was Obama's empathy for small town America, his belief in MLK's work? Why didn't the DNC run Harold Ford Jr. instead?
Posted by: rs | Apr 14, 2008 4:35:41 PM
i read a lot of the news on abc, the tv station that i work at being an affiliate. the majority of comments on articles that are related to obama really remind me of the tactics of bush sr. and jr when going up against the clintons in the early and late 90's. very much using statements from "regular folks' which in all reality are actually campaign aides on news sites, press conferences and so on to manipulate the media and american people. spin by brian springer is a good reference for this practice.
in any case, obamas statements ARE true. how many of us who live in the country are depressed and bitter about the economy? i know i am. prices of milk have been way down for years with little attempts to address it, as well as a lack of aid going to rural areas. ever been to upstate maine? northern NY? Southeast OH? these areas were all hard hit during the clinton and bush years, and obamas words of many people being bitter rings true with me.
Posted by: countryboy | Apr 14, 2008 4:38:55 PM
dl - Obama made his remarks behind CLOSED doors to elite donors. The press was BARRED from this speech. Obama did not intend for his remarks to be made public. That is the problem. If his own words were not made public you darn will know Obama would not have said a single word, nor would Obama have to somehow claim he made a mistake. The only MISTAKE was someone there recorded Obama.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Apr 14, 2008 4:39:02 PM
His wife enforces the thought with her latest:
We live in isolation, and because of that isolation we fear one another.
Because Barack Obama is the only person in this race who understands that. That before we can work on the problems we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.
Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual; uninvolved, uninformed.
Great, now they are uninformed and uninvolved.
Posted by: DGH | Apr 14, 2008 4:40:00 PM
tomDavie
I love it... so Hillary and her supporters have pulled out every attack they can trying to make him "unelectble" and with every attack he shows he is still better off in the general than she is... her ceiling was low to begin with and now it actually is unelectable... My bet is even for the rerun in the Senate. Lots o' dems will not vote for her when she runs now for her senate seat...and she wasn't that strong of a candidate to begin with (heaven help her if Giuliani decides he wants to be a senator instead of a governor or a cabinet member).
If you think he is unelectable and his numbers in the national polls are still going up against her....what would she be.
The reason we have been losing ground to McCain is because of this long nasty tone set by the loser...and that would be Sen Clinton... the country doesn' want that.
...once she is gone (and hopefully long gone...like out of the Senate gone) he will be a beacon again compared to McCain... between the war, the economy and G.W.'s left overs... Obama will be President.
Posted by: dl | Apr 14, 2008 4:41:14 PM
Sure you do wcm, you're a liar just like the clintons.
And I could care less whether you think I'm racist or not. Remeber, I don't have the power to be racist, but people like you, do. That is the problem in this country and will always be the problem. That is why you are all so afraid of someone of color getting in the white house. We know it, we've seen all the racist comments since this election cycle started. You're afraid people of color will turn around and treat you the same way we were (and in some cases, STILL are) treated. Most of you are so transparent in that aspect. And you have the nerve to call someone elitist. That would be elitist white privilege....and Barack doesn't have enough, he only has half.
After watching the clintons, I now know they are truly racist, and you have been sounding just like them.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Apr 14, 2008 4:41:29 PM
LA Indiana, so you are a little BITTER! Get over it, Obama's going to lose-he did himself in!
Posted by: CD | Apr 14, 2008 4:45:42 PM
naw CD, not at all
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Apr 14, 2008 4:45:45 PM
not bitter CD
but I will feel real good watching hillary's character get shredded. She will deserve it.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Apr 14, 2008 4:47:05 PM
Dogsoldier
he said almost the same things on Charlie Rose 4 years ago.
but then he said in so many words...that we cling to those traditions in the face of trouble and loss. He also has said in the face of loss and downturn and FEAR we gravitate toward safety out of that fear.
It is the same thing...but because he said it behind closed doors in San Fran you all make it out like"oooh...look what he said behind closed doors... he is right every study shows in downturned economy's (although I have had a few Hillary supporters claiming to be professors trying to say those studies don't count because "Americans have opportunity...tell that to the people whose jobs were lost in PA...makes me want to say "who is the elitist) but many studies have shown ethnocentric anger and violence goes up when an economy goes down.
and I would hope that the other two multi-millionaires would understand that is what happens when people lose their jobs and opportunities.
Not that they ever lived in those communities or actively took part on the streets trying to fix those communities (something Obama has done...that is why this is such a crazy joke).
Posted by: dl | Apr 14, 2008 4:48:20 PM
In a Pennsylvania political ad, 3 year-old Hillary Rodham, arms extended, toddles toward the home-movie camera. Hillary's present-day voice-over explains, the Rodham family cottage, down by the lake, lacked indoor plumbing. It was hardship borne from the start. Yet, more telling events seem to fall by the wayside. Take twenty-seven year old Hillary's first real job. The upshot: Jerry Zeifman fired Hillary for unethical practices during the Watergate Investigation. Why was Hillary fired? “Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in a recent interview. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”
“I have gone hunting. I am not a hunter. But I have gone hunting," says Hillary. Perhaps equally amusing, how an elitist politician worth over $100 million-dollars, espouses small town family values. Not only does Mr. Zeifman’s account go to character, it goes to a lifelong pattern of lying and obfuscation. It took Zeifman twelve years to get his story aired. After Watergate, Zeifman could not recommend Hillary for any subsequent position of public or private trust, nor furnish her with a letter of recommendation. After that, Hillary Clinton's employment record is one of strict nepotism, cronyism, and amnesia.
Although few suspected the lengths to which Hillary would go, a leopard never changes her spots. According to Mr. Zeifman, it’s not just Hillary’s dishonesty; that’s a fact not in dispute. More to the point is the overall time-span, in which she has behaved in a fraudulent manner. "The Clintons corrupted the soul of the Democratic Party." -Henry Ruth, lead Watergate courtroom prosecutor. Again, Hillary Clinton is a bold-faced liar, who will stop at nothing. Should anyone doubt either Mr. Zeifman, or Mr. Ruth’s veracity regarding the Clintons, dispute this: http://theseedsof9-11.com
Posted by: Peggy McGilligan | Apr 14, 2008 4:48:29 PM
TJ,
I know you are feeling emotional because your man Obama is up against the wall. But could you stop the shouting (all caps). Even though you are an Obama supporter, and I don't take you seriously, you may be hurting the ears of the other Obama zombies.
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Obama, how elite is he?
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 14, 2008 4:50:15 PM
Just released - new PA. Polling:
Clinton 57 % - -----Obama 37 %
YAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
Posted by: morningside | Apr 14, 2008 4:50:58 PM
the funniest moment so far was the Foxnews crew trying to get people "on the street" who were "angry" about Obama's comments...and everyone they have gotten have been all for Obama...
love it.
Posted by: dl | Apr 14, 2008 4:52:10 PM
Hey wasn't there just a Compassion Forum last night-LA you're showing true compassion:) You should be demonstrating positive reinforced words for Obama, not these negative hate bashing words towards people here and Hillary!
Posted by: CD | Apr 14, 2008 4:52:47 PM
lol dl leave it to Fake News
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Apr 14, 2008 4:53:43 PM
dl - Obama should have checked the folks for recording devices. What a MISTAKE.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Apr 14, 2008 4:55:18 PM
Peggy,
In rural America we recognize two forms of wealth. There's carpetbagger wealth, that would be Obama. And there's struck oil wealth, that would be the Clintons. The carpetbaggers are arrogant and as good as thieves. The struck oil folks are usually down home types that remember their family and friends.
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Obama, is he a carpet bagger?
He ain't a duck hunter, for sure!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 14, 2008 4:55:24 PM
sure CD, wait on 'em. They'll be right with you....
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Apr 14, 2008 4:55:26 PM
An empty "almost" apology is nothing more than damage control. He needs the support of the elitists so he does not want to offend them with his apology. He doesnt really need the support of rural America in PA because his goal (per his own campaign) is to get the vote majority in Philadelphia and the college areas. So his comments are all based on risk-reward analysis from his advisors. He is after all a politician running for office. The problem is, voters perceive what he said as offensive and the polls are confirming that. Clinton had already started recovering on the issues and he got caught pandering in a closed to the press event because someone recorded what he said. His wife's comments further support their lack of faith in American voting intelligence.
Posted by: DCVoter | Apr 14, 2008 4:55:58 PM
"Obama is an elitist!"
okay that is a comment from the bulti-millionaire took a job with washington lawyers tog et mey career ahead ...married a guy whose plan was to go back and run quickly for Gov. of Arkansas and hasn't been out of public power, influence and wealth for 25 years.
or it's coming from the third generation affluence of the McCains...
but yet ...lol... Obama is the elitist.
What the heck is an elitist then?! this is just crazy talk. Someone needs to put together a tape of all the black ties affairs and ball gowns and pearl-wearing moments...and huge homes and vacations all over the world of the two other candidates and put soem music to it...like some classical music or something...or better yet some Bruce Springsteen playing Born in the USA with the image of Hillary in her hat at inauguration and McCain and Cindy on one of their red carpet ball fundraisers.
just funny.
Posted by: dl | Apr 14, 2008 4:58:07 PM
Morningside,
Usually we have Vanessa bringing us the polls and it's always doom and gloom for Hillary. We haven't heard any polls today from Vanessa, but I'm sure she'll figure out a way to spin this as good news for Obama. She's busy trying to hawk a bogus story on Gore and Carter, so maybe you don't have to worry.
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Where is Vaness when Obama's polls start crumblin?
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 14, 2008 4:58:10 PM
pretty obvious that the Obama fans are the ones that are bitter.
Posted by: Tuck | Apr 14, 2008 4:59:32 PM
Today's Survey USA poll from Indiana and an ARG poll from PA - both reveal Hillary leads in both the states by 16-20 points. This is before the 'bitter' gate. Well the eitist liberals will find thier latte 'bitter' in the fall....
Posted by: TalkSense | Apr 14, 2008 5:00:49 PM
DL,
Let me help you out. Obama's elite crowd:
a) lives on the Atlantic or Pacific Coast
b) around all white people
c) sometimes referred to as "upscale" Democrats,
d) drink lattes
e) blog on dailykos
f) send money to moveon.org
g) think they know what's best for working class Democrats
h) look down their noses at the Clintons because the Clintons came from Arkansas.
I'm not talking that they do any one of these things, I mean they do all of these things.
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Obama, move to the coast, join his elites, get a free latte!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 14, 2008 5:03:32 PM
Tony: thank you. I am going to repeat here:
Oh EL - lol. Obama does not have to scrutinize Clinton because the media are doing the work for him. Please, the man is apparently above any type of analysis. So much so - that his worshippers become enraged over a little heat. What: did you really expect he would cause the nation to fall down and honor and obey him, as his campaign suggested? This is what happens when college students control your message. "I, the Lord Obama, shall rid the USA of 'politics as usual' and usher in an Obama Generation of hope and change and civility. I will smite divisiveness in the world and cause a new era of cooperation. I the Lord Obama will reach across party lines and cause the Republicans who hate the Democrats to lay down their hatred and follow me." LOL - sorry, he cannot even unite his own party, how can he unite the nation.
QUESTION FOR OBAMADROIDS: His campaign has said it will be "above" politics as usual and that he will unite Republicans and Democrats. Then why is he describing McCain as Bush III and distorting his message on Iraq? Why is he going around doing the "Annie Oakley" instead of trying to really figure out why ALL poor voters, except for African Americans, have given him the cold shoulder. Could it be that poor folks have pick candidates whom they believe will deliver something concrete - unlike college students and wealthy white people who want soaring oratory and impossible, vague promises?
Posted by: StanCH | Apr 14, 2008 5:03:58 PM
dogsoldier
I agree he makes mistakes but I don't think he was thinking he was going to say anything that could be misconstrued this badly...
That is his biggest weakness... I will admit he is not the typical pol who is good at making sure his words or actions aren't open to mischaracterization.
He is not good at that... I admit. But I have said many times this guy is a good guy... who yes like the rest wants to be President...but I think above them all he is running less for HIM to be President and more for what he thinks he stands for.
It would be hard for me to think otherwise.
Posted by: dl | Apr 14, 2008 5:04:10 PM
Nancy Pelosi,
Did you find a little tad of poo in your latte over the weekend? My oh my, does it taste a little bitter?
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Obama, serving up bitter lattes to the masses!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 14, 2008 5:06:09 PM
WestCoastMessenger: I heard that story about Carter and Gore. I'm wondering who is spreading that rumor. It can't be true because if it were, that would be the end of the DNC.
Posted by: morningside | Apr 14, 2008 5:08:01 PM
West Coast Messenger
lol
I don't think anyone looks down their noses at the Clintons for being from Arkansas... I kinda like Arkansas.
I think there are a lot of other attributes that they look down their noses at the Clintons for...
...I don't know, mmm, lying to the American people might be up there... ... just a guess. I agree the educated morons of this country do seem to be backing obama...those damn educated people... you can always tell a snob by their education...now that's a great argument.
LOL
oh and I guess Babs, and the Blood Thomasons don't live on the coasts...but at least she got down with the people and took a shot of Crown Royal...
Posted by: dl | Apr 14, 2008 5:11:18 PM
Obama told us that “words matter”
Except for:
The divisive ridiculous words preached by Reverend Wright – which he didn’t hear
The condescending “bitter” clinging to religion” words he “deeply regrets” if anyone found offensive
Yes, he can…
Yes, he can make a complete fool of himself!
Yes, he can try to blame Hillary for the words he spoke
Yes, he can pretend he never heard Reverend Wright preach hate and divisiveness
Yes, he can forget the $250,000 he got from Rezko
Yes, he can lie and say the Kennedy’s were responsible for bringing his father to America
Yes, he can hand the republicans another big gift to use against him if he is the nominee
Hillary or NOBODY in 2008 – meaning this democrat sits out his first election since 1988.
Posted by: ch | Apr 14, 2008 5:14:20 PM
Obama told us that “words matter”
Except for:
The divisive ridiculous words preached by Reverend Wright – which he didn’t hear
The condescending “bitter” clinging to religion” words he “deeply regrets” if anyone found offensive
Yes, he can…
Yes, he can make a complete fool of himself!
Yes, he can try to blame Hillary for the words he spoke
Yes, he can pretend he never heard Reverend Wright preach hate and divisiveness
Yes, he can forget the $250,000 he got from Rezko
Yes, he can lie and say the Kennedy’s were responsible for bringing his father to America
Yes, he can hand the republicans another big gift to use against him if he is the nominee
Hillary or NOBODY in 2008 – meaning this democrat sits out his first election since 1988.
Posted by: ch | Apr 14, 2008 5:14:24 PM
lol the racist remarks are starting to flow now....the good ole white folks down in Klantucky refer to Obama as "that boy"
Now who said white people were not racist?
Who said this wasn't the US KKK of A?
lol y'all are pathetic.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Apr 14, 2008 5:18:09 PM
The day of September 11, 30 minutes after viewing the destruction of the tower on the morning TV news, I was in a nearby church, not even my own church, sitting in an isolated area, my head bent down, I was crying in silence for all those who died in that terrorist act. I visited the same church three times that day, the same position and reflecting on what has just happened.
In my opinion Obama is not an elitist. What he said about religion, gun and migrants sounds just about what people think in my part of this United States.
This we do when we are distressed. When we feel danger, we want to protect our family, we pickup gun. When we lose our job, we blame someone, the President or some poor immigrant.
Those who are upset with Obama just want an excuse to tarnish the image of this great American.
Posted by: StMTraveler | Apr 14, 2008 5:18:59 PM
For the poster who needed help looking in the dictionary:
elitist n : someone who believes in rule by an elite group
Posted by: DCVoter | Apr 14, 2008 5:20:33 PM
StMTraveler - Great American? So what did Obama do to make him great? Please outline.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Apr 14, 2008 5:22:02 PM
LA in Indiana - Why not tell us in your own words what you consider to be racists? You know, so we're talking about the same thing? Or what you're talking about.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Apr 14, 2008 5:23:50 PM
Morningside,
A dopey little website called scotsman.com came out with the story, and in the content of the story the writer stated that the content of the story could not be confirmed. Huffington Post picked this up, the ABC News, and then Fox News, I'm guessing because the press are starting to go brain dead, having picked up some type of virus from the Obama coolaid. At any rate, it seems to be a bogus non-story started by a blogger and will likely disappear by tomorrow.
I think Fox News is promoting it because they want to build a strong association between Obama, Gore, and Carter, they look at all three of them as losers.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 14, 2008 5:24:32 PM
DC-point taken, You didn't find anything either that defined it as how much money you earned or what your net worth is, right? It's more of a person's superiority attitude or self righteousness, right?
Posted by: CD | Apr 14, 2008 5:26:03 PM
John Baer: Decades of working-class neglect - now that's insulting
By John Baer
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Political Columnist
SOME THOUGHTS on the latest diversion of Campaign '08, a campaign apparently hell-bent on keeping the nation mired in its own stupidity.
As a native-born, small-town Pennsylvanian, a son of native-born, small-town Pennsylvania parents - one from the coal region, one from Lancaster County - let me assure you that the so-called offensive, condescending things Barack Obama said about the people I come from are basically right on target.
"Bitter" perhaps best describes my late mother, an angry Irish Catholic who absolutely clung to her religion.
Dad, also a journalist, wasn't really bitter as far as I know, but he sure liked to hunt.
So, despite carping from Hillary Clinton and annoying yapping from her surrogates (really, it's like turning on the lights at night in a puppy farm), I take no offense.
What's offensive to me is suggesting that small-town, working-class, gun-toting and/or religious Pennsylvanians are somehow injured by a politician's words.
Are you kidding me?
They're injured all right, but the injury is long-term and from lots more than "just words."
They've been injured from decades of neglect by political cultures in Washington and Harrisburg driven by special interests.
They're injured by a system of isolated, insulated political leadership that protects itself and the status quo above all else.
They've been harmed by a lack of political guts to fix a health-care system that works against the poor and forces middle-class families to pay more for less, while at the same time giving politicians the best coverage taxpayer money can buy.
They've been taken for granted by political parties and candidates who stay in power by - and this was the apparent gist of Obama's remarks - forcing attention and debate on issues tied to guns, religion and race (precisely because such issues resonate) rather than real problems such as health care and the economy.
They've been consistently made fools of by their own elected representatives who, year after year, pull fat salaries ($169,000 for every member of Congress; $150,000 in salary, perks and benefits for every state lawmaker) with automatic raises no matter how little gets done.
A new Associated Press poll shows Congress' approval rating at 23 percent. And don't even get me started on the Pennsylvania Legislature.
Insulting?
What's insulting are the sizes of salaries and perks of politicians in a state where the median household income is $43,714.
What's insulting is the ongoing failure of elected "leaders" to deal with long-term, working-class worries while insuring their own futures with hefty, over-rich pensions.
And, look, what Obama said, given a charged atmosphere close to a critical primary, was ill-advised - not because he's wrong, but because it changes the discussion.
The 24-hour broadcast-news cycle will jabber on this for days - the irony being that Obama's "words," which had positioned him so well, now threaten to trip him up.
Another irony is that the candidate running to effect change where change is needed, and to offer hope to those without it, is suddenly tagged as somehow diminishing those he seeks to serve.
So the question is whether Obama effectively defuses this, as he did the controversy surrounding his former minister. And that remains to be seen.
Just don't tell me that he insulted a state or, given his background, that he's an out-of-touch elitist.
And I especially don't want to hear such arguments from a candidate who spent decades in the bubble of a governor's mansion, the White House and the U.S. Senate, and under the blanket of $109 million income during the last eight years.
Pennsylvanians might cling to religion and guns. I hope they don't cling to stupidity.
Send e-mail to baerj@phillynews.com.
For recent columns, go to
http://go.philly.com/baer.
Posted by: JAMIE | Apr 14, 2008 5:28:08 PM
We, the Blue collars of PENN Totally and unequivocally agree with Senator Obama. Yes, We are bitter and angry that our jobs has been gone and none of these administration have helped us.
Bill Clinton Championed NAFTA. Hillary Clinton supported her Husband on that.
Mccain and George Bush only made it worse by tapping into unnecessary war and channelled much needed money into it.
Yes, we are bitter and angry and when no hope is forthcoming, WE start to PRAY AND START STEERING our energy and pass times into Games like Hunting. We hate hearing that illegal immigrants are getting our jobs.
Many of us turn to these not because we know of their existence for the first time but because we want GOD TO DELIVER US OUT FROM THESE HARDSHIPS.
Do HILLARY CLINTON AND JOHN MCCAIN KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO NOT BE ABLE TO FEED ONES FAMILY?
How many times have I cried because I wonder how I can raise up my children? They made millions and John MCCain cannot even help Mortgage Forclosure VICTIMS With government Money, not his own money? Pls GIVE ME A BREAK.!
DO WE NEED A PRESIDENT THAT drinks BEER AND THEN WHISKEY at the same time? What message are we sending to our young children?
I don't mean to demean her, but look at her face when not in make-up. Is it not all these drinkings that cause those?
I BET OUR BELOVED WOMEN BLOGGERS WILL AGREE WITH ME.
AMERICA WAKE UP! WE ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA.
Yes those who are not going to vote for him won't vote for him not because of HIS CANDID REMARK.
Posted by: Bob from Pensylvannia | Apr 14, 2008 5:29:09 PM
I wish that the media would put the link up so that the public can listen to the entire speech in SF.
Here is the link, listen and you make up your mind if what he said was wrong. The media took a soundbite and took his what he said totally out of context
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-exclusive-audio-on_b_96333.html
Posted by: monarnyc | Apr 14, 2008 5:32:34 PM
Bob- you say "We, the Blue collars of PENN Totally and unequivocally agree with Senator Obama." YOU KNOW ALL THE BLUE COLLAR WORKERS IN PENNSYLVANIA??? WOW, I'm impressed!!!
Posted by: CD | Apr 14, 2008 5:34:59 PM
My, lots of bitter people on this thread. What's your problem? Sore losers? Obama will be our next President. Oh, the truth must hurt for some of you. But don't get bitter, because bitter is baaaaddddd.
Posted by: KATE | Apr 14, 2008 5:37:16 PM
"It is to late ... from the vantage point of far away this Canadian Geezer has observed over the past couple of weeks the appalling ability of Americans to destroy hope itself.
That we can see you are doomed in America brings no comfort ... the treadmill of time is showing only an appearance of forward progress but the evident unwillingness to face life on "Adult" terms by so many of your citizens means a continuation of the quagmire of pain and sorrow for the world. I see no miracle forthcoming from Democrats to forestall the grief of your own making as a narcissistic candidate with wealth and ‘connections’ along with the collaboration of a self-serving media has beaten down the one candidate who showed a glimmer of true understanding of the need to tackle the greater issues of the day with hope and optimism.
Hope and optimism are not ‘shallow’ expressions … they are the deepest longings of the soul … and America has abandoned the soul of so many of its dispossessed by failure to address the realities of the need for full and equitable education, universal health care and meaningful employment for its citizenry…
Shame on you … you have squandered the treasure that could have easily provided the basic human essentials for your own citizenry on “The Wars” … and you continue to tolerate and even extoll the grossest forms of personal greed and acquisitiveness.
This Canadian feels deeply that the Democratic Party is in denial about the reality of coming global social and economic collapse and will in all likelihood allow a continuation of the "Republican" neo-con disaster.
No my dear neighbours the future of the world does not revolve around the decision of so-called "Super Delegates" of the Democratic Party but rather on the evolved consequence of American ignorance and self-centeredness that lets a third world mother and child starve or be riddled with shrapnel on the filthy streets of many villages where they continue to suffer… The brief flicker of such gruesome images continues to occasionally appear on digital screens across America … but they are just intrusions to the viewing of episodes of ‘American Idol’ or ‘Dancing with the Stars’ …
So the Democratic Party continues to stumble … bleeding by way of self-absorption until the tragic self-generated demise of 'The Great Republic’...
Here in Canada we have followed the American primaries with considerable interest as the world is slowly slipping into a global catastrophe of economic collapse and bitter ongoing conflict and it comes as a rather shocking development to hear Ms. Clinton referring to Mr. Obama in a quite condescending manner as if he were being "Uppity" ...
For a Caucasian person of wealth to make such an inference harkens back to a different time in American politics circa George Wallace et al ...
Strangely no one has called her on this ... is everyone asleep at the switch in the American Media?"
"Absalom my son; my son Absalom; oh that I had died for thee, Absalom, my son, my son."
— Barrie O. Ward, Weldon Saskatchewan Canada
Posted by: Barrie O. Ward The Canadian Geezer | Apr 14, 2008 5:38:05 PM
The biggest problem I have with Obama's remarks is the venue. He was in the home of a wealthy supporter where he thought he was alone with a group of his most ardent (and elite?) supporters.
If he had spoken the words in a Pennsylvania town with the MSM present I would be o.k. with it. It seems that in unguarded moments both Obama and his wife have revealed more about themselves than they intended. He wasn't talking "to" the people of PA; he was talking "about" them.
Posted by: JanetP | Apr 14, 2008 5:38:37 PM
FINALLY... finally a Presidential candidate who's not afraid to tell the truths about what lobbyist controlled Washington has done to the American working classes in the years of Clinton and the Bushes...
More fired UP, more ready to go than EVER! -
BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!
Posted by: rena | Apr 14, 2008 5:42:00 PM
Bob from Pensylvannia - Let's see, Bob, where to begin? OK. Bob, you are you. That is unless you became we. Now, you do realize PA actually exports more to Canada and Mexico then before NAFTA? Which means more jobs. Next, you do realize that almost all job losses were to China and India and other slave labor Asian nations, don't you?



