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Obama Lumps 'Elitism' Slams with 'Political Silly Season'
April 15, 2008 2:27 PM
ABC News' Sunlen Miller Reports: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said recent charges characterizing him as an elitist are part of a "political silly season" and hopes it will come to an end soon.
Speaking before a town hall in Western Pennsylvania disputed criticism from both his Democratic and Republican rivals who accuse him of looking down on small town voters after remarks surfaced from a San Francisco fundraiser last week where Obama said small town Pennsylvanians were "bitter" over the economy and thus "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them...as a way to explain their frustrations.
Watch the VIDEO HERE.
Both Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., have both come out strongly against Obama for the remarks, working his comments into stump speeches over the weekend and into the week.
Obama disputed the criticism strongly today, citing his personal story as evidence.
"I am amused about this notion of elitist given that when you are raised by a single mom, when you are on food stamps for a while when you were growing up, you went to school on scholarship," Obama said.
Obama continued, "We both had to finance our entire college education, our law school education, borrowing money and we paid all of our student loans I think about five years ago, six years ago. You know, we lived for the first 13 years of marriage up until 3 years ago, in a 3 bedroom condo without a garage so if you live in Chicago that means you are scraping ice every corner."
Obama's comments came after a town hall participant made a statement about the furor surrounding the "elitism" argument and accused the Clinton's of being "close to prejudice".
"The way that it is being used against you, it isn't far from uppity and I think the Clinton's are getting away with something that they must be called on they will continue to do it until somebody states: 'Mrs. Clinton, you are close to prejudice here, this is wrong, he does not have anything elitist about his upbringing, never will," the supporter said.
Obama responded directly, disputing the notion of any prejudice coming from Camp Clinton, "I don't think there are racial overtones to the attacks going on right now."
Obama inferred though that this issue is being capitalized on by his opponent due to her standing in the race, "This is what we do politically when we start to get behind in races and we start going on the attack."
The story of Obama's comments in San Francisco has dominated the news cycle for the last five days, with both McCain and Clinton offering fiery criticism each day.
“When somebody makes that argument -- particularly given I have spent my entire life working with workers and low income communities and try to make people's lives a little bit better -- then that's when you know we are in political silly season. Hopefully we will come to an end fairly soon," Obama said.
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As a person with liberal humanitarian views of the world, conservative fiscal views on public funds, naturalist views on environment, and libertarian views regarding government interference in personal lives, I am a moderate Independent because no one party fits the bill.
I read an assertion today that at first I found stereotypical. The assertion was that liberals feel and conservatives think. While that may be true for the extreme liberals and conservatives, it is certainly not true for those like myself. I think extremists are the minority in this country but sometimes I wonder when I read the blog comments.
I will say that we can certainly apply the feel vs. think theory to the democratic candidates. In general, Obama appeals to the emotions of voters while Clinton appeals to the minds of voters. Each candidate tries to appeal to the other's base as expected. So it is not surprising that where the candidates digress, Obama leans liberal in his voting record and Clinton leans conservative in her voting records.
What it seems to come down to is which of those we the voters find most important. If we like the one who appeals most to our emotions, we follow Obama. If we like the candidate with the greatest command of the issues, we follow Clinton. The polls completely support this assertion.
People talk about inspiration a lot in this campaign. While some find Obama inspirational, I find Clinton more inspirational because she speaks from the heart and not just words. (For the poster that said Obama doesnt use teleprompters you are mistaken. In fact, the experts have been critical of his faulty speeches and debate performances when he does not have them available.)
In any case, why do we need our President to inspire us? Do we hire the best mechanic, doctor, lawyer, accountant, etc. because they inspire us? I think most people hire the people we find most qualified for the money we can afford. If we were electing a class president, we might be looking for someone to inspire us to achieve our goals. But the role of the POTUS is nothing like a class president. In my view, we need a competent CEO/COO and CIC of the largest most complex organization in the world that is directly related to the security, stability, and welfare of the citizens of the USA. A class president does not impact any of these. An inspiring speaker alone is not qualified to be POTUS. The political climate of the world has changed placing the security of the nation among the top two issues we must realistically address. Economically, we have serious issues and we need a President with serious answers and a record of getting the job done for all Americans not just certain demographic sectors. Elitism is a real issue not a silly one.
The voters in the democratic electorate hold different perspectives on what is most important in a candidate. This is a race for the nomination and we the voters should be considering all of the attributes of each candidate. Let's allow the remaining voters to do just that and stop all the personal attacks based on misogynist and racist views.
What we see happening was engineered by the RNC via Karl Rove's expert manipulation in his advice to Obama on how to beat Clinton and the RNC manipulation of the voters through the media pushing them to vote with their emotions prompting Identity splits. In that sense, the RNC is making the assertion a reality - in their view, liberals (democrats) are voting with their hearts and conservatives (repubicans) are voting with their heads.
Usually voters do vote with their hearts in the primary season and their heads in the election season. This is part of the reason democrats lose most general elections for President - they tend to select a nominee that is not competent to be POTUS.
Former President Bill Clinton has the ability to reach out and touch the voters but ran on a platform based on the issues and was successful because he had the experience and record of getting the job done. Senator Clinton also took the time to establish her own experience and record of getting things done. She reaches out to voters in a different way but still runs on a platform based on the issues. The polls continue to maintain the voters believe she is the most comptent on the issues. Unfortunately, half the democratic electorate thinks that emotional inspiration is more important which is exactly what the RNC wants. If you truly want change, the only way that can happen is by electing a democrat to the White House and more democrats into Congress. Falling victim to the RNC ploys will not make that happen. For all the voters who have not yet voted in the primary, please consider all of the attributes of the candidates and dont just vote based on emotions.
Posted by: DCVoter | Apr 15, 2008 2:36:35 PM
His judgment comes into question yet again - why would he continue to bring up his condescending gaffe? I honestly think this guy has no idea that he said something wrong, that he actually offended people. He has not once apologized. You know those two words common folks say when they mess up, "I'm sorry." Not this guy. You are not born an elitist, you become one, you self elevate yourself. He is so out of touch.
Posted by: Julie | Apr 15, 2008 2:37:14 PM
Misleading voters about his upbringing is unethical. Obama went to private schools all his life. Most Americans are not fortunate enough to be part of that elite.
Misleading voters about living arrangements is also unethical. Most Americans in urban areas cannot afford to live in a 3 bedroom condo. Most ubran dwellers do not have garages. He has never been in the socioeconomic middle or lower class. He has also never had to work to put himself through school.
Posted by: mixed-american | Apr 15, 2008 2:41:16 PM
He had to scrap ice off his car when going to Whole Foods for his fancy lettuce. Poor baby.
Posted by: geevill | Apr 15, 2008 2:44:41 PM
OO, if people say he is wrong, then people are silly; if people don't elect him, then his wife is not proud of the country; if his pastor gives constant anti-Ameiica speeches, then it's because the black are hurt they have reasons to be angry?
Why is he so arrogant?
Who is he?
What did he do for America?
Why he wants to run presidency when he is still a below average US Senator?
Do we have much more capable persons than he is in this country?
Posted by: golfgirlusa | Apr 15, 2008 2:46:14 PM
Obama just never ceases to amaze me. For months his whole campaign is based on unity and hope, and then we find out he goes to the most divisive church in America. For 20 YEARS!!!
Then he says white rural people are bitter, yet he goes to the most bitter church in America that "clings" to the 1960s as if that world still existed.
Obama, who do you think you're fooling? And what the heck are you talking about???
Heal yourself Obama, then worry about "the rest of us."
Posted by: Jo | Apr 15, 2008 2:47:40 PM
To anyone who thinks Barack Obama is an elitis I would invite them to come to the south side of Chicago where Obama spent all those years working with low income family.
Posted by: JLS | Apr 15, 2008 2:48:33 PM
this is not about his student loans or the fact that he had to scrape ice off his windshield,this is about his peception of this country and of himself .he has gone to the best schools since hawaii and has not gone through the typical public school experiance,so he tends to think he is better than the rest of us.
Posted by: don tufts | Apr 15, 2008 2:51:07 PM
If Obama had life so hard how is it that he was able to afford a home to the tune of 1.6 million dollars?
There is no evidence in Obama's tax returns as to how he afforded this, and how did he get around the banks or mortgage company to give him the money to purchase the property, what spin did he give them or who did he know?
Since when do any agency go off bank rolling anyone that is in financial difficulty, it would be interesting for Obama to fill us in as to where this 1.6 mill came from.
Posted by: SJ | Apr 15, 2008 2:51:57 PM
I'm sure that will go over well in Nov. Obama thinks that running for President is like teaching kindergarden. Well, it ain't.
He's in trouble in Nov. He can't win the white house.
Posted by: s.b. | Apr 15, 2008 2:53:01 PM
Silly Season? Again? In less than a week Barack and Michelle have been able to insult all people who won't vote for them.
Clingons of old traditional values. (Paranoid, hysterical types)
Uninformed, Uninvolvled and souless. (Stupid, Lazy and deviod of compassion)
They're silly if they think anyone wants this kind of garbage in our government.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | Apr 15, 2008 2:53:05 PM
In couple of days, I saw Obama personally attacked Hillary a lot to cover up his stupid marks, he can’t win the issues, he is afraid of debate too (skip the CBS NC debate).
Wonder why there are people still believe him
Posted by: Mark | Apr 15, 2008 2:54:50 PM
Oh poor baby lived without a garage.
he did however go to the most prestigious private school in hawaii and has three parents with Phd's.
How long was his mother on food stamps, if its even true?? A couple of weeks. Sounds like it was part of her upper middle class white intelligencia journey with socialism.
This story is such utter nonsense. He grew up playing on the university campus and going to elite private shcools.
Posted by: s.b. | Apr 15, 2008 2:55:42 PM
And which public school is he sending his children to? You know, the public school system that is good enough for your children and my children; the public education he fights so hard for?
Posted by: Julie | Apr 15, 2008 2:59:27 PM
Obama is basically suggesting that his cartoon-like campaign was being silly when he staged this event where he was calling Pennsylvania voters bitter, and pointed out that they cling to guns and religion.
What a jokester. He's such a riot. The man has my vote. Comedy doesn't get any better than this.
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Obama is just a wild and crazy guy!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 15, 2008 3:00:45 PM
rco - Obama - "And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Barack Obama violated two elementary rules of political campaigning. A candidate should never play the role of a political scientist or sociologist analyzing a key electoral swing group from afar and should never dissect the motivations of less privileged people when talking to a group of privileged people.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Apr 15, 2008 3:00:55 PM
I am getting mixed up.
According to Clinton and her wingnut allies, Obama is a muslim and a follower of a krazy Christian Preacher. But in the reality based community, you can't be both.
And this same cast of clowns are telling us that Obama is an Elitist and also is a godless atheist Marxist. But in the reality based community, we alol know that you can't be both.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Apr 15, 2008 3:02:03 PM
Hillary's Bosnia story hurts herself, Obama's marks insult People in small town.
Posted by: Amy | Apr 15, 2008 3:03:01 PM
Why should be expect Obama to defend our country when up to this point he or his cronies have never defended us in word or deed? You should read what Michelle wrote in her thesis if you think that she ever has had good thoughts about the people in this country!
Posted by: virginia | Apr 15, 2008 3:03:06 PM
Oh, by the way, Obama is not only funny, he's a brilliant strategist. This story was due to die a natural death but he knows that bad ink is better than no ink at all, so he revived it.
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Obama, he's just a silly man!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 15, 2008 3:03:24 PM
What's it gonna be Westie, a 30 or a 40 point win in PA for the tuzla tigress?
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Apr 15, 2008 3:05:21 PM
Amy, you got the point:
Hillary's Bosnia story hurts herself, Obama's marks insult People in small town.
Posted by: golfgirlusa | Apr 15, 2008 3:06:28 PM
TCG - I do not believe polls. Never have. But if Hillary wins by one vote that's good enough for me.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Apr 15, 2008 3:07:13 PM
That man is such a liar, his grandfather was a working in a furniture store. His mother attended Mercer Island High School, then University of Hawaii, exactly where is all this poverty he is speaking about?
Posted by: SJ | Apr 15, 2008 3:08:36 PM
Obama was the one who started all the attacks on opponents since the beginning of his campaign.
His first mention of War he condemn Hillary and McCain for voting for it.
He failed to tell the people 77 Senators voted for it.
He failed to tell the people he voted to
continue the war.
He hasn't stopped since.
I doubt he McCain or Clinton could catch up to him with all the name calling, finger pointing, blaming, making up stuff, twisting the truth and misleading the people. Obama Has the corner on That. Plus demanding stuff be release, with the hope he could find something to use against people.
Shame on you Obama
You sold out the General Public, then lied about it, Then tried to tell us That is how we really did feel, Then tried to explain it away.
Can't you be a man once, Admit your mistake and Apologize. Apparently not!
Posted by: seah | Apr 15, 2008 3:10:25 PM
DC Voter. I feel your pain? Bill Clinton was the master of the emotion. But Hillary Clinton speaks from the heart? Do you really believe that? Do not conflate these people. Hill is not Bill. She is pure politics and most people find her attempts at warmth uncomfortable and phony. She is always trying too hard, which means she is a chameleon--whatever she has to be depending on which room she is in. Just the fact that she will drag the entire party into the mud for her own gain should be enough to turn anyone off. I used to like Bill, thought he did a pretty good job. But he annoys me now with his smugness. These people are the ultimate phonies. Someday I hope that New York State apologizes to the rest of us for letting the carpetbagger become Senator, which just fed her sense of entitlement. Bitter, damn right. Bitter about Bush/Cheney and now Clinton/Clinton.
Posted by: kay | Apr 15, 2008 3:11:12 PM
I like how Obama refused to play the race card. He's a real stand up guy.
Posted by: Z.D. | Apr 15, 2008 3:11:19 PM
I'm glad you've acknowledge Obama will be the Democratic nominee...
Good start Hillary supporters
Even with the "gaffe" the polls are unchange or have not drastically changed
Obama has widen his lead in National Polls
Closing into McCain in red states, while Hillary is down by double digits
Beating McCain in purple states, while Hillary is down...some by double digits in these states
SD are analyzing these poll
Posted by: Vanessa | Apr 15, 2008 3:11:22 PM
SJ - Obama - My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Apr 15, 2008 3:17:22 PM
Excellent post DCVoter - I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Posted by: Bon53 | Apr 15, 2008 3:18:34 PM
DCVoter,
Outstanding treatise. If an uncommitted voter reads this it is clear which direction they should take.
Good work dude!
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Clinton, standing up for one voter at a time!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 15, 2008 3:19:39 PM
Dear DCVoter,
I see you have narrowed down the choice between Sense and Sentiment, Emotions vs Intellect. I am an independent voter and thinker who supports Senator Obama and it has nothing to do with Senator Clinton. It amazes me how we continue to make the same choices expecting different results. Who voted for Bush twice? The Emotional or the Intellectual?
Posted by: sandy | Apr 15, 2008 3:20:11 PM
Dogsoldier, I actually agree with your comments above. He made a mistake, but he didn't lie. My very practical thought is that- it is over- Hillary can't realistically earn this nomination without very publicly destroying the party. There's no other way. The democratic party won't allow that to happen. Hillary supporters are delusional that they don't seem to realize that they are clinging to ship that is sinking rapidly, and is now 95% below water. Jump off and save yourselves before she brings you down with her. All of our comments are wasted. Others feel free to chime in and threaten to vote for McCain in the National election- and I would like to point out that doesn't help anyone but conservatives like Hannity and Rush.
Posted by: rco | Apr 15, 2008 3:21:28 PM
DCVoter: Although you make some valid points, your conclusions regarding the appeal of Obama to emotion and Clinton to intellect is wholly wrong. One of the primary reasons why Sen. Clinton is having such a difficult time persuading Obama supporters and the Superdelegates who have pledged their support to him to back her campaign instead, is that the rationale in doing so wholly lacks merit. This reasoning is not directed at the Obama emotional quotient, as it were, it is directed at a consideration that requires a leap of intellectual faith. Obama supporters aren't fueled by sheer emotion, as considerate voters they have weighted the merits of both platforms and have determined that Sen. Obama is clearly best charged to lead this country.
Posted by: H. Aslan Aslani-Far | Apr 15, 2008 3:23:15 PM
You Clinton supporters need to drop it. I understand your support for you candidate, but its safe to conclude that the comments had no effect. In fact, the gave Obama a nice bounce in the national polls. Those of you had such a "big and huge" problem with them were not going to vote for him anyway. I bet if Clinton hadn't made such a big deal of it, you wouldn't have cared. This is more evidence of Clinton supporters being told what to think rather than thinking for themselves.
Posted by: Democrats United | Apr 15, 2008 3:33:54 PM
Not "hope" but marketing...
Not "change" but spin....
Obama really believes that the small town masses are bible thumping gun toting bigots....now lets see if he can convince them of that.
Posted by: Jackie | Apr 15, 2008 3:47:09 PM
Don't vote for him then! Get over it when he wins!
Posted by: Joe | Apr 15, 2008 3:49:28 PM
Julie, I don't think he said anything wrong..he was just being honest. Most people cannot take the truth...We are "bitter" about this administration who has killed our economy and 4000 men and women for oil. We do turn to our religion for strength, and to our traditions...
Posted by: cindyct | Apr 15, 2008 3:53:09 PM
mixediamerican....Obama had student loans just like the rest of us...he was a harvard graduate and could have been working for a law firm and making money but chose to live in a condo to work with the poor...WOW it is rteally weird how people turn things around. I am sure he didn't live like the 100 million dollar Clintons or McCain with his wife's billions.
Posted by: cindyct | Apr 15, 2008 3:56:35 PM
What happend to the fact Clinton just got ONE HUNDRED mayors to come out and support her ?
How can that NOT be a story? Thats a HUGE amount of support.
Posted by: tomdavie | Apr 15, 2008 3:57:00 PM
sandy - my point was that I believe most voters should use both emotion and intellect in making their decision. Unfortunately, these blog comments and those around the Internet seem to indicate voters are in fact voting heart vs. head. I think each candidate brings change to the table. McCain even brings change in that his candidacy may transform the republican party into a more moderate platform. This has been discussed among the Republican media and the party and is worrisome for those in that party who want conservative right wing control to continue.
kay - there is no pain for me personally so I have no idea what you referred to. With regards to Bill Clinton, he is a cheater who lied when he was caught cheating as most men do. But IMHO it has no relevance to his Presidency. With a 60% approval rating upon leaving office and an 80% approval rating among democrats, those who dont like him are certainly in the minority. All candidates are people and they all have personal lives and issues to resolve day to day. We are all shaped by our experiences in life as well as those who inspire us. Clinton has shown her strength of character in all that she has accomplished in spite of Bill and the misogyny embedded in our society. Her heroes are Eleanor Roosevelt and MLK - her personal life reflects their values that she shares.
Obama, however accomplished he may be politically in his few short years, does not embody the values of MLK (his political hero) because he values black separatism. He strikes me as a troubled individual with his own personal demons based on his actions, lack of actions, need to be liked by everyone, and a clear struggle with his heritage as he admits in his book and as his reasons for joining TUCC. This is typical of a person with low self-esteem. If in the event he faces and beats his demons and he vets ok on some legal issues, ethics issues, and his ties to people who support terrorists in the future, he might make a good leader. For now, I see him as a smart man with a weak character that is easily influenced. The fact that he took a run for the Presidency against his own personal statement in 2004 and is clearly being influenced by elitists like Kerry, Kennedy and Pelosi in this campaign is a clear sign of just how easily he is influenced. The more questionable influences are those of black separatists (hate group activity) like his wife and Wright are of greater concern. The office of the POTUS is no place to work out his personal demons... our future and lives depend too much on the actions of a POTUS to take the risk of electing Obama.
Posted by: DCVoter | Apr 15, 2008 3:57:51 PM
If Obama makes it to the presidency, some people will be disappointed that they can't claim him as the first BLACK president. Why? Because apparently you aren't allowed to say anything that suggests that he is black.
Posted by: JR | Apr 15, 2008 4:01:08 PM
DCVoter,
Great comments.
For those think Hillary supporters are uneducated, I think they are wrong.
Posted by: crisis08 | Apr 15, 2008 4:02:32 PM
cindyct - You made the comment now back up what you say. How much oil is America receiving from Iraq?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Apr 15, 2008 4:06:47 PM
And what was the process that made Hillary or Bill so vetted? Wasn't it Bill running for pres not Hillary? So in that scenario she is running on her HUSBANDS experiance then.
Posted by: Joe | Apr 15, 2008 4:07:45 PM
westcoastmessenger....I certainly am not elite...I am struggling just like everyone else...but I believe what he is saying...we are bitter....and that is MOST of us, or perhaps MAD is a better word...
Posted by: cindyct | Apr 15, 2008 4:08:10 PM
Dogsoldier...it is not just Iraq..it is the hwole region...but putting our nose in there we havw de-stabilzied the whole are...
Posted by: cindyct | Apr 15, 2008 4:09:52 PM
So if we are looking for a POTUS, the first person we should consider is a FLOTUS because her husband did a decent job.
I still don't get this. The FLOTUS in question would not be where she is without the fmr POTUS.
Heaven help us when Chelsea and Jeb and George P., and some other half-wit we haven't heard of yet decide they wanna be POTUS too.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Apr 15, 2008 4:10:43 PM
Obama said he grew up with limited money.
How he could afford travel to Indonesia, India, pakistan when he was in the college?
He went to private Catholic high school in Jakarta, Indonesia.
Not many Indonesian can afford to admit private high school because they are pretty expensive.
Posted by: crisis08 | Apr 15, 2008 4:11:00 PM
cindyct - The answer is 543 thousand barrels per day. Canada ships 2586 thousand barrels per day, our largest oil supplier.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Apr 15, 2008 4:12:23 PM
dogsoldier...I think we should have been on top of Iran a long time ago, just like Afganistan. But of course, we are bogged down in Iraq...
Posted by: cindyct | Apr 15, 2008 4:18:20 PM
cindyct
What would you or your candidate do differently about Iran or Afghanistan? Please be specific.
Posted by: Aston | Apr 15, 2008 4:21:15 PM
Well, I cannot speak for Obama but I would never have gone into Iraq. I would have concentrated my troops in Afganistan and gone after Bin Laden. Iran is a little tougher, but I think there were quite a few sanctins and political ways to track down where he is getting his uranium. I don't know it all but I am sure our military does
Posted by: cindyct | Apr 15, 2008 4:24:50 PM
Obama and his diehard supporters even have the gall to blame Clinton for the very words that come out of his own mouth. That's absurd and total denial. Whenever Obama talks about his upbringing he loses me after trashing his white grandparents who sacrificed much to raise him after his father split on him. Rezko enabled him to make the leap into a fancy new home. And the Harvard/Hollywood elite have enabled him to go national with his black liberation theology grooming. He's been bailed out and sponsored every step of the way.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | Apr 15, 2008 4:27:55 PM
cindyct
The terrain in Afghanistan makes logistics nearly impossible. Ask the Russians.
The current administration has promoted sanction after sanction against Iran but the international community has been spotty in support.
It's a complex world out there!
Posted by: Aston | Apr 15, 2008 4:29:13 PM
cindyct - by his own admission, he went to school at expensive private schools in HI and Indonesia. Student loans dont pay for those. His family is wealthy and they raised him. By his own admission, he received scholarships for school. (The student loans were his wife's.) We have no way of knowing what the justification was for the scholarships and I dont demean him for that. However, to mislead voters into thinking he had to work hard for anything he has is unethical. He did work for a law firm (making a 6 figure salary) until he became a state senator without campaigning. (He systematically eliminated his opposition on legal technicalities.) His claims of work as a community organizer have been debunked by the people who worked with him. His wife went from a 121K salary (higher than most Americans) to a 316K salary as a VP position created for her at the hospital after he secured an earmark for her employer. Both of them claiming to not work for corporate America are simply lies. Try reading real investigative stories instead of just his website. Even better, try reading his own books and her Princeton thesis. Black separatists believe they are "owed" opportunities and believe they are superior to other races because of the injustices of the past. Our laws are the product of civil rights activities people like Senator Clinton worked hard to enact to ensure equal opportunity instead of privilege afforded by separatism. She even campaigned for him to help him become a US Senator. The differences between them are very clear in that she was raised middle class, went to public schools, and worked hard against a system that still to this day does not offer equal opportunities for women. She inspires many by her actions and not just words.
Posted by: DCVoter | Apr 15, 2008 4:31:11 PM
Dogsoldier,
You are right.
Why don't they think why most of AA (90%) support Obama.
It's not because of race?
Posted by: crisis08 | Apr 15, 2008 4:36:32 PM
Whoever first purported that people who are more intelligent vote for Clinton based on polls, that's absolutely the opposite of what polls indicate. Have you even read the polls? Most of the people who vote for Obama are college-educated. While the majority of Clinton voters are not.
I want an elite president. I thought we wanted elite people to be our president. You people are fickle as hell.
Posted by: Caleb | Apr 15, 2008 4:43:37 PM
Crisis08
What's your point? You're correct that an AA candidate has a large AA support base. HRC has a large white female 30-69 y.o. support base. Is that a suprise?
What is amazing is that Obama has won more contest, more popular vote & most importantly more delegates. He has done this even though he does carry the AA vote significantly but also by building a much broader coalition. He has also done this in light of the fact that the democratic primary process is predominately driven by the female vote ~ 56% to 44% according to exit polls. So once again, what's your point?
Posted by: Lou - Londonderry, NH | Apr 15, 2008 4:45:22 PM
Ask yourself why HRC gets away with telling a blatant lie to Americans about her foreign relations experience--repeats it 3 or 4 times, embellishing it each time--and gets away with saying, "Well, I simply misspoke. I'm only human." While Obama actually does misspeak and gets raked over the coals. She will say anything to win, and what's worse, she is laughing at US, she believes we are all gullible enough to fall for it. Some of you are proving her right! Outrageous! And by the way, Obama went to fancy schools on scholarship because he earned it. He had a very modest upbringing, unlike the Clintons who are worth over $109 million dollars and counting!
Posted by: deborah | Apr 15, 2008 4:47:04 PM
Dogsoldier...so are you saying our biggest importer of oil is Canada and they are raising the prices?
Posted by: cindyct | Apr 15, 2008 4:49:09 PM
Dog say (paraphrasing here)"canada got all the Oil. They ship us alotta barrells every day"
Well, it looks like HRC and GWB screwed up and decided to invade the wrong country.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Apr 15, 2008 4:49:42 PM
DCVOter....the statement came from a former Clinton aid. I don't remmeber his name but I bet I can get it.
Posted by: cindyct | Apr 15, 2008 4:50:28 PM
Tiredofthelack..,
Atleast I know Hillary but for sure I don't know about Obama. The more I learn about him the more lies I got.
He repeated said even 2 day ago infront of people that he never take money from lobbiest.
The truth is he did. The media released it.
I mean if he knew he did it just don't say it. Nobody accused him anyway,,he just contradictives himself to fool people.
BTW, Bill Clinton is not running for president anymore.
Posted by: crisis08 | Apr 15, 2008 4:54:49 PM
The longer he talks about this, the worse it gets. He needs to stop trying to justify it.
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | Apr 15, 2008 4:54:57 PM
debora - Clinton visited over 80 countries officially representing the US. She has developed working relationships with the leader of those countries and more. The Bosnia incident has been vetted and it was confirmed that sniper fire was a danger and precautions were taken before landing. She simply mis-remembered and admitted to that. Her foreign relations experience still exceeds Obama. As for lying, well Obama has many more than she does but rose colored glasses seem to cloud your view.
Posted by: DCVoter | Apr 15, 2008 4:59:01 PM
DCVoter, Your post was eloquent but flawed. I am also an Independent voter. I do not find Hillary inspirational in the least. I find find her to blatantly political and divisive as witnessed by this campaign. I wince every time she speaks because I find her less than honest and less than genuine. While I am Independent I have voted Democrat since 1982. Yes, I voted for Bill twice and he mis-used my trust (and the country's). I always felt that the Republicans relentlessly pursued the Clintons and felt they were justified in responding. However, this campaign has shown the Clintons are no better than the worst of Republicans. Some may be okay with that I am not. Your analogy of a CEO as president is not a good one. This country should not be run as a business where profit is the underlying motive. This country is better than that and needs someone who can inspire the masses to do what they know in their hearts to be right. I simply do not see that coming from a Clinton. They are too divisive to too many people. Is Obama the inspirational leader we need, I don't know...but I'd rather give him the chance than the someone I simply do not trust (Hillary) or someone whose positions are all wrong (McCain).
Posted by: indy_voter | Apr 15, 2008 4:59:25 PM
Lou,
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not racist or sexism at all.
The comments I posted was the answer for Kay's comments. Other than that I don't care about gender, race etc.
I vote for the candidate which I think it's right for me.
You also free to vote for anybody.
Posted by: crisis08 | Apr 15, 2008 5:01:26 PM
Crisis08
Once again ... wrong
Barack Obama has not accepted funding from any federally registered lobbyist or PAC's. You can get the facts from the FEC reports which come out monthly. The media is trying to connect private donors related to lobbyists, oil and banking executives as being the same thing as being funded by lobbyists. A stretch in my opinion but he has a right to his own view.
I work in the Telecom industry. My donations are lumped under my industry in the reports although there is no concerted effort within my industry that I no of to support either candidate. So an analist can conclude that he or she receives x amount of dollars from the telecom industry correctly, while leaving the impression that it is a concerted effort incorrectly.
Bottom line, HRC has taken more money from PAC's and Lobbyist than any candidate in the race. These folks expect a return on their investment.
Posted by: Lou - Londonderry, NH | Apr 15, 2008 5:06:52 PM
Crisis08
Thank you and I respect and have served our country to see that you have the right to express yourself and vote whatever way you see fit. I am just trying to keep the conversation accurate.
Posted by: Lou - Londonderry, NH | Apr 15, 2008 5:10:26 PM
well I guess it means every one for Obama is bitter. Many of us IMO in small town America have learned over the last 30 years that there is no job security we have retrained many times but the very people that Obama felt free to share our life style with the ones who look down thier nose at us are the people who have used us gotten rich off us and wake up every morning and think about how can I make another dollar. They always need more bigger houses ,cars,etc I come from a large family half are very rich most are comfortable and a few our a having very hard time and when they need help they don't go to the ones that are very rich they come to the middle class ones and we are the ones who make sure they don't go under. If you call the rich ones they say sorry we can't help but they will treat friends better than thier own family just to impress them.
Posted by: Bishop | Apr 15, 2008 5:14:43 PM
Mixed American - You have some definitely true points. I am proud to see that my fellow Americans are not all hotheads, though I admit, after seeing some of the comments on blogs, I find myself tearing my hair out.
There is one of your points that I dispute, kind of. You claim that Obama appeals to emotion while Hillary appeals to the brain. This may indeed be the way Americans perceive things, but that does not make it true.
It would be a bold-faced lie to say Obama does not stir emotions. However, it is also a bold-faced lie to say that he does not appeal to the mind, as well. What the polls do show is that educated Americans tend to back Obama, not Hillary. The reason Obama appears to only appeal to emotion is because he overwhelms people with it. He has just as much appeal to the mind as Hillary does, but it is overshadowed by his appeal to emotions.
On the other hand, Hillary has no appeal to emotion, and thus, though she may appear to appeal to the mind more than Obama, it is only due to her extreme lack of charisma.
In the global theater, China is the rising power. Those that make their money from building tanks, planes, and bombs view China as an up and coming enemy, but in reality we are irreversibly connected to China through trade. We have indeed been getting the short end of the stick due to their lack of labor laws. Which candidate would you like talking to the future world dominating power? The "commanding presence" of Hillary? Or the charismatic Obama who can make people want to believe and follow him?
I suggest Blueprint for Action by Barnett
Posted by: Hunter S | Apr 15, 2008 5:50:10 PM
Beka13,
With all due respect ,that's your opinion but I think both of Clintons are not racist.
They've been working for human rights since long time ago.
Even now Mr Clinton are working to help Katrina's victims in New Orleans which are majority AA.
It's just too bad I think some people have mistakenly his words in SC.
Posted by: crisis08 | Apr 15, 2008 7:04:23 PM
Silly season? Why can't Obama just take his limps. Everything Clinton said was true.
If Obama wins the primary, it will prove that we can no longer trust our electoral process. The corpo-media has already chosen him and 'We the Poeple' simply no longer matter.
If that happens, many will renounce the government and start one of those Jeffersonian storms.
Posted by: Redoubt | Apr 15, 2008 7:27:13 PM
boo! Deflect, blame someone else, but never take responsibility for your actions.
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Obama is unelectable. He doesn't tell lies...he IS a lie!
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Posted by: LOM | Apr 15, 2008 7:35:43 PM
Obama isn't an elitist. He's an intelectual. He got into these prestigious schools, because of his brains, not money.
I think the problem he had w/ the SF speech... he thinks, and says things.. beyond what we're used to. He's not going to pander to voters, like Hillary did... faking gun use, swigging beer.. The man is what he is. An intelectual, that sometimes says things that are not initally understood, but his heart is true.
I don't know much about guns... my dad hunted deer.. a loooong time ago. It's not really a part of my family's lifestyle. But I do know, that when people get in trouble, financially, or for what ever reason... they start going to church. Is it an accademic argument that Obama was making? Probably. I do think he shouldn't psychoanalyze people like that... it gives them the creeps. It doesn't mean he's bad, it means he's empathising. I consider Hillary's pandering more of an insult. I think her method of politiking is patronizing. It's not really her. It insults my intelligence. And it's sad... cause I'm sure she's an intellectual too. I'm really disappointed with her. I know she knows better...
Posted by: Cindy | Apr 15, 2008 9:05:20 PM
indy - lots of non-profits are run by CEO/COO's. You are entitled to your opinion of course.
Posted by: DCVoter | Apr 15, 2008 9:56:02 PM



