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May 02, 2008 7:09 AM

ABC's Jake Tapper reports: The Indianapolis Star, Indiana's largest newspaper, has endorsed Senator Hillary Clinton, just 4 days before the Democratic primary in that state.

Here's the link.

And here is part of what the editorial board wrote about its decision:

It's been difficult for voters in other states to decide a clear favorite between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. It's also a difficult choice for The Star's Editorial Board, which recently questioned each candidate in person about key issues facing the nation.

Obama offers an attractive vision for the way things could be. He speaks eloquently of hope and change. He connects with voters, many who formerly felt disenfranchised, on a level few political leaders have attained.

Clinton offers a clear-eyed view of the way things are. She offers nuanced positions on how to address the war in Iraq, trade with China and economic expansion. Her depth of knowledge is remarkable.

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I have said all along, you have a choice a strong fiscal leader or a strong military leader--Obama is neither.
Why was is that Obama was the only senator that did not vote to go to was with Iraq?
Also, why all of a sudden, are we in IN seeing the strong denouncing and seperation of the Senator's minister?
Why Has no one made the connection between Michelle Obama's early comment that 'Today is the first day I am proud to be an American.' If Senator Obama was not listening in church I think Michelle was!!!
Proud to be an American vote in IN voting for Hilary and if Sen. Obama gets the nod I will scratch for McCain as will many people in the state.
Helen Marie Pell. IN

Posted by: Helen Marie Pell | May 2, 2008 7:27:26 AM

Newspaper endorsements don't make much difference.

Obama got most of the newspaper endorsements in California yet he lost.

Posted by: Stacey | May 2, 2008 7:29:14 AM

Obama didn't vote because he wasn't in the
senate yet. Since then he has voted exactly has hillary has on iraq issues.

Posted by: bigben | May 2, 2008 7:29:58 AM

It might interest you guys to take a look at the new Zogby polls posted in Realclearpolitics.com. Obama is up by 16 points in NC and tied in Indiana. Newspaper endorsements mean nothing. Obama got all the endorsements in Texas and Ohio and still lost. The one poll that shows Clinton leading in NC is stupid because it will take Jesus himself to pull that one off for Clinton. Blacks will end up making up about 40% (The Insider Advantage poll had them at just 25%) of the NC electorate and they will vote about 95% for Obama. They alone will give him a comfortable double digit victory. If he wins Indiana (a real possibility because he will win Northern Indiana big), this race is done.

Posted by: Kevin | May 2, 2008 7:36:20 AM

So What Kevin, if he get's the nod, this Democrat is voting for McCain. He'll lose the general election, you can take that to the bank.

Posted by: kittyCat | May 2, 2008 7:38:47 AM

We were ready for Ms Clinton to be president 18 months ago...since then, Obama has showed up- brash, dividing the party, then dividing the black church...He will succeed in dividing the country if we are forced to choose between him and McCain...Then he divides the world(?)

Posted by: ebknows | May 2, 2008 7:41:11 AM

We Americans have serious doubts about him, it has nothing to do with his race.

His intentions are unclear, but his affiliations are clear. Being surrounded with people like the violent Ayers, or the Hiteresque Wright, or his American hating wife Michelle, or his Kenyan half brother Islamic Jihad terrorist Abongo “Roy” Obama, or his Jewish/Israeli hating best friend Rashid Khalidi, or his close advisor Robert Malley who advocates supporting and helping the terrorist group Hamas, or Mr. McPeaks, Obama’s military advisor who open believes American Jews are the "problem." and “Christian Zionists were driving America's policy in Iraq to benefit Israel,” or Obama’s super delegate and major long term supporter Senator Meeks who openly hates and distrust all whites and gays or Obama’s most dangerous affiliation to Mr. Auchi who was Saddam Hussein right hand man and made billions in Iraq and has been a important supporter and behind the scene man throughout Obama’s rise to power.
The Indy Star made the right choice. Obama is a part of the Washington scene that he often criticizes. By his own admission he has not been able to change anything there. No-Bama 2008 !!!

Posted by: jimbo | May 2, 2008 7:43:57 AM

look at the people he is surrounded with.William Ayer/Louis Farrakhan/Rezko/wright/Michelle. No wonder he opposed Iraq war. wake up IN/NC. you can send Obama home by electing Hillary.

Posted by: Tony | May 2, 2008 7:50:04 AM

Jimbo, touche'.

Posted by: john7005 | May 2, 2008 7:50:31 AM

Very wise choice - she is the smartest and strongest candidate and will be a great President!

Posted by: ch | May 2, 2008 7:57:58 AM

great endorsement-wonderfully written. it articulates what many of us feel about hillary, and obama. these are very challenging times for our country. speaking for myself i also see allot of promise in obama, however i do not feel that he is ready for the challenges that we face right now. hillary (baggage and all) knows her way around the ropes. she is sharp, fearless, fast on her feet, articulate and i do not believe for one moment that she would remain in this race if she did not believe that she could deliver. do the right thing indiana vote for hillary.

Posted by: sonia trevino | May 2, 2008 7:59:43 AM

so when Hillary stands in the white house rose garden to speak of impending danger wil the American people think Bosnia sniper fire?

Posted by: i wonder | May 2, 2008 8:00:08 AM

Yes, indeed.

Clinton/Kennedy 2008

Posted by: Tamara | May 2, 2008 8:11:36 AM

Bravo, way to pick a winner! Some endorsements do matter. Especially when they're pinched this tight and this late in the elections. Everything matters! The same people who say that endorsements don't matter are the same people that said that Wright wouldn't matter either - well guess what, they do.BO got endorsements in CA, OH and TX, but those States were already leaning toward Hillary - big States lean toward Hillary. Why it matters in Indiana is because it's a tight race, and perceptions can easily change. And IndyStar has the power to change perceptions.

Posted by: ZforHill | May 2, 2008 8:12:13 AM

go jimbo-somebody had his coffee this morning! great post. go indiana, go hillary.

Posted by: sonia trevino | May 2, 2008 8:14:46 AM

Craig, you are right, very good point, newspaper endorsement is nice but does not change a lot in people's mind. Hillary the Bosnian General has so poorly managed her campaign that nobody will trust her to mange a rumshop in Jamaica and she is so divisive figure that she is unelectable-period. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | May 2, 2008 8:17:41 AM

Joe Andrew who jumped ship to Obama.. guess where he work?

He is a partner at Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP , a 700 member law firm. They gave over $75K to Obama.

Here comes the money connec

I hope he regrets after reading today's paper.

Posted by: Rick | May 2, 2008 8:20:27 AM

No real democrat will vote for a McCain just because their democrat didn't get nominated. 'KittyCat' and all you other democrats who would vote McCain just because your person didn't get nominated is ignorant. Even Hillary came out against such a silly move. Be real and stop holding foolish grudges. You think voting McCain is somehow going to be spiteful? You are only spiting your country. If you want another 4-years of Bush-ways go ahead and vote McCain. (I bet if Barack was named Paul Johnson we would not be having this discussion.)

Posted by: Sensible | May 2, 2008 8:20:50 AM

Rezko? Try Peter F. Paul-- Subpoena hanging over Hillary. Mkes any Rezko connections pale in comparison.
'Nuff said.

Posted by: Kurt | May 2, 2008 8:23:09 AM

Rita - Let firs Obama answer properly is Rezco deal. Also release tax statement and state senate details Pre 1999.

Could he please?

Posted by: Rick | May 2, 2008 8:23:15 AM

Bill Clinton said it best: scare and fear VS. hope and think. What Obama has done with our youth and disenfranchised is truly amazing. Wright, Rezko, muslim, all negative all the time. Where do you think that comes from. Read his book and you'll understand what he stands for. You need only look at the gas tax proposals to know who to vote for. We can't afford 4 more years of Bush or someone who only cares about herself.

Posted by: John | May 2, 2008 8:23:47 AM

"So What Kevin, if he get's the nod, this Democrat is voting for McCain. He'll lose the general election, you can take that to the bank.-kittyCat"

He might not win because of "democrats" like you. Honestly, you would vote Republican rather than a Democrat? What about the rest of your party? Will you vote that way for Senators? There is more to think about than Hillary or Barack...Supreme Court? Do you want more Bush/McCain judges?

Also ebknows, "We" were not going to just hand the white house over to Hillary. Just because your name is Clinton doesn't mean you get the keys. If anything Obama is making her work and lie, and change the rules to get into the White House.

If you are a democrat you should vote the nominee regardless of who it is, otherwise, do us all a favor and switch parties. I'm sure Hillary would be a good president, but I voted for Obama, but if he doesn't win then I vote for Hillary. I really wanted Joe Biden but he didn't make it long enough, so I went with Obama, if he doesn't make it then it falls into Hillary. I would hope Clinton supporters would do the same, for the good of the Country.

Posted by: Gregg | May 2, 2008 8:24:44 AM

It is a choice between having a dream and making it reality!

Obama sells the dream with the words hope and change and let's each person fill in the blanks with their ow emotions. It is a powerful sales technique.

Hillary says this is the way the world is and this is hoe we are going to get it done working together to make our dreams reality.

Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | May 2, 2008 8:25:47 AM

No real democrat will vote for a McCain just because their democrat didn't get nominated.
**************

I am a real democrat, registered, never voted for a repub at the national level in my life. And I don't think I will support Obama unless he puts Hillary on the ticket. Obama is just too green, he's not ready. He's afraid to debate her, his policy proposals are vague, he gives a good speech, but the Wright thing has me questioning his political motives and personal integrity. Now, I am not sure he's really any different. And if they are both slick politicians, I am going with the one with more experience, more military endorsements, and more moderate approaches. If the dems want to go off the cliff, fine, But I ain't going with them. I am an independant thinker before I am a partisan.

Posted by: A reader in Georgia | May 2, 2008 8:29:40 AM

I love Hillary Clinton!

She has proven herself time and time again.

Posted by: Ander | May 2, 2008 8:33:51 AM

Obama is disgusting. Why does he talk to the public like they are stupid. He tells them "I am going to tell you the truth"... "let me explain this stuff to you that is way over your heads". How can people not see through this bull. Remember when he was quoting Malcolm X and he was telling the people that they were getting bamboozled and hoodwinked. He acts like the American people have an IQ of 10. I will never vote for this arrogant, inexperienced politician.

Posted by: Joej | May 2, 2008 8:34:26 AM

bottom line... If Hillary & Obama both came out and said "I have actionable intelligence" I would not believe Hillary

Posted by: jAYjAY | May 2, 2008 8:37:13 AM

Hillary and Harold Ford Jr. 2008! That would be an awesome ticket! A clear, decisive vision for this country and a plan for the people that really matter - not just the billionaires and the giant SUV driving elite liberals of the ONC - Obama National Committee (formerly known as the DNC)!

Posted by: rs | May 2, 2008 8:38:45 AM

It's about time people got past their personality dislike and realize Hillary has the knowledge, ability, and especially the strength to do what it takes to get this country on it's feet again. I have nothing against Obama and in another 4 to 8 years, if he's still working FOR this country, definitely would be presidential-elect material.This country just can't accept inexperience and half thought through ideas in these most dire times.

Posted by: rhammonsster | May 2, 2008 8:40:12 AM

I will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee. Why? To send a message to crtain party leaders and the media that they can not rig the election as they see fit.

I find it comparable to the boston tea party. The only way the Dem leaders will know never to do this again is to hand them a defeat so massive that they can not ignore it.

1. The good people of Florida are being robbed and its not democratic.
2. The primary system needs to be standardized across states making it democratic.
3. Michigan and Florida should have had a Primary do over but Obama would not allow the democratic process to go though as he would lose.
4. We should have the same standard in primaries as we do the general. Either electorialcollge or popular vote. I am leaning towards popular vote but do understand that the electorial college ensures that small states are listened to.
5. The media and pundits should report and let us decide not bias and advertise their choice of candidate to us.
6. It should not be a popularity contest, it should be about who does the job best. Truthfully is any candidate the best qualified for the job? No, in my opinion. We need to change this for the sake of our country and for ourselves.

Hillary no matter what you think about her provides he best candidate for the job. Obama sells dreams and dreams are powerfull. An ideal world would combine Obama's inspiration with Clintons pratical implementations. Still in the end it is better to execute an imperfect plan than to wit for the perfect plan to execute.


Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | May 2, 2008 8:40:54 AM

Obama offers an attractive vision for the way things could be. He speaks eloquently of hope and change. He connects with voters, many who formerly felt disenfranchised, on a level few political leaders have attained.

Clinton offers a clear-eyed view of the way things are. She offers nuanced positions on how to address the war in Iraq, trade with China and economic expansion. Her depth of knowledge is remarkable.

Posted by: James B. | May 2, 2008 8:41:09 AM

bigben: Obama subsequently voted the same as Clinton because it had to do with funding (read: supporting) the troops who were already there, with equipment and supplies they needed to protect themselves. Even though he wasn't part of the senate vote, his outspokenness against authorizing the war was politically against the grain and he could have paid a big price career-wise, yet he continued to speak out against the war. After this mess started, how could he in all good conscience not vote to supply the troops with what they needed to survive?
The bottom line is people who don't like a candidate will find reasons to not like them and will put whatever "spin" they need to, to justify their feelings. It takes a really special and really intelligent person to remain objective...not too many out there these days.

Posted by: counting crows | May 2, 2008 8:44:43 AM

That makes sense. The IndyStar board sat down with both candidates and determined after listening to them who would be the better President. This is similar to the 4 debates Clinton and Obama had in CA, TX, OH, & PA. After each debate, Clinton won each primary. Duh!

Posted by: Jenny | May 2, 2008 8:45:20 AM

Obama didn't vote AGAINST Iraq.

He wasn't even a senator yet when the vote took place.

Don't be fooled by Obama's "Holier Than Thou" baloney, it's all a cunning sham.

Go Hillary!

Posted by: James P | May 2, 2008 8:47:04 AM

"Still in the end it is better to execute an imperfect plan than to wit for the perfect plan to execute.-Kimberly Peacock"

Didn't Bush do that going into Iraq? He executed an imperfect plan. Now we sit here years, deaths and billions later wondering how to get out of it. I suggest we don't have that same mentality picking a President...

Posted by: Gregg | May 2, 2008 8:48:04 AM

good for you.I hope the super deglates looks at what the peope want and it is not for Obama to be on the ticket. I would hate to have vote for McCain. No way would I vote for Obama. I would like to stop working some day and with Hillary in the White House maybe my 401k will start to grow again.

Posted by: Kay Kasunick | May 2, 2008 8:48:59 AM

Thank you Hillary Clinton for being a great Presidential Candidate!!

You are right on with your plan for Universal Healthcare, you are right on with your plans for education, you are right on for supporting working class America!!

You are not a flip-flopper, or a windsock, you don't try to fool us all by switching to what everyone wants to hear. You are the genuine article.

In a time when a man named Obama is trying to pull off the biggest Schmoozing of America in recent history, you are rock solid in your character and your commitment to the American people.

Hillary, no skeletons of 20+ years of hate and racism are jumping out of your closet to claw America in the face. No parlor jokes of demoting our American flag come from you.

Thank you Hillary for all your surprises are joyous ones, not ones that make a person think "wow I didn't know you supported that extremist person".

After months of standing your ground in the face of formidable odds, you have proven that you have got what it takes. No other presidential candidate has had the stuff shoveled on them like you have, and you made it through to the other side. You have shined through as the most tested Presidential candidate of the whole entire contest.

Thank you Hillary for allowing us to continue to have our individual God BLESS America. We are a nation with problems, but at the end of the day, Americans are full of heart, and at the end of the day, I know you'll be right there fighting for us.

Hillary for President!!

Posted by: Bob Wilson | May 2, 2008 8:50:00 AM

No, Bush did not have a plan. he had a dream of a democratic Iraq.

That's the point dream or reality or make the dream a reality by having a well thought out plan

Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | May 2, 2008 8:51:39 AM

Obama has never taken a stand on anything.

He was against the war, then for it , then voted for full funding, now he's against it again.

same with being pro-choice, same with gas tax

Posted by: Tucker | May 2, 2008 8:52:36 AM

This means nothing. Obama had the backing of all of the major newspaper's in PA. I know since I live here. He even had the backing of the Scranton paper. And that is where Hillary was from. So a newspaper backing you means next to nothing.

Posted by: marie | May 2, 2008 8:53:54 AM

So what? Research has found editorials influence 14% of voters to vote for the endorsed candidate and 14% to vote against the endorsed candidate and the rest has no affect. And what good did they do Obama in PA? HE was endorsed by every major newspaper except that owned by skank Schaife to whom the hardC's prositituted themselves to get the endorsement.

Posted by: dan | May 2, 2008 8:54:18 AM

... so is her depth of deceipt and hypocrisy...

Posted by: dan | May 2, 2008 8:55:13 AM

to "I Wonder" and all other Democrats who would not vote for Hillary or Barack if the other one does not get the nomination, please stop and think, I plead with you. Do you want 4 more years of Bush policies? McCain who first was against the Bush tax cuts to the rich, voted against them twice, now wants to make them permanent! That's because they have worked so well? Come on folks. McCain who cannot see that no Western country's presence in a Middle East country for 100 yrs will never be in our interest. Others have tried and failed, and we won't succeed either. Come on folks. We lost 52 additional great young people in Iraq last month. Under McCain we will keep losing our treasured youth, not to mention bankrupt this country so that your children and grandchildren will be living in a 3rd world country. Come on folks. Hillary or Barack are infinitely better than McCain. You cannot be serious about not voting for either and staying home on election day, or worse voting for 4 more yrs of tragedy by voting for McCain.

Posted by: Ben | May 2, 2008 8:55:30 AM

Its a shame to see should a such a lack of concern regarding the important issues in this county. Americans are either ignorant to them, or plainly just don't care. I'm bothered by the fact that the democrats can't seem to get things right these days. It bothers me more to hear individuals selfishly admit that if their democratic candidate doesn't make it to the general election they'll vote republican, clearly out of spite.

To identify with one particular candidate based on public appearances, endorsements, and advertisements is WRONG. We vote for candidates based on where they stand on the issues that are most important to us.

I see too many people basing arguments for their candidate on regurgitated material they've either read in the newspaper or heard on from a celebrity on TV. To those who have taken this approach, it is very obvious and you look silly.

If Hilary and Obama were smart, they would run on the same ballot. Why democratic leaders haven't forced this issue already is beyond me. The republican clearly have no way of beating these two if they team up.

Posted by: Brian | May 2, 2008 9:00:58 AM

Well said Brian!

Posted by: marie | May 2, 2008 9:02:01 AM

Obama has such a boatload of dirty friends……drip…drip if that boat springs a leak…watch out. Look at Rezko on trial right now. Rezko, as a real estate magnate in Chicago, was given a contract for 3 energy plants to be built in Iraq…. through our government. The plants were never built because Rezko got indicted, but NO DOUBT that Senator Obama helped Rezko GET that contract for Rezko. Not to mention that Axelrod was a lobbyist for Exelon (and the later nuclear legislation with no teeth), or that much of the $$$ loans came through General Electric Financial. Who have been large contributors to Obama’s campaigns, General Electric and Exelon! Who owns one of the largest loan insurance and credit card companies in America, General Electric. Who voted for unlimited credit limits and voted against a 30% cap on credit cards? Obama! Obama said he voted against the 30% cap because it was too high. Apparently NO cap is better than a cap that’s too high. Who owns NBC and MSNBC the home of all anti-Hillary all the time? General Electric! Who owns Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Andrea Mitchell? General Electric!

Posted by: rs | May 2, 2008 9:04:35 AM

Indiana polls
Downs Center Clinton +7.0%
Zogby Tie
Rasmussen Clinton +5.0
TeleResearch Clinton +10.0
PPP Clinton +8.0

NC polls
Zogby Obama +16.0
Research Obama +7.0
Mason-Dixon Obama +7.0
Insider Advantage Clinton +2.0

ZOGBY LOL!
Reuters/C SPAN/Zogby tracking poll
Date: 2/3-4
California
Barack Obama 49%
Hillary Clinton 36%


Posted by: geevill | May 2, 2008 9:06:38 AM

So Rezko's business in Iraq was the reason Obama was against the war. Makes sense. Obama wouldn't be against it for any personal ideology would he?

Posted by: calli | May 2, 2008 9:15:50 AM

What the Indianapolis Star is too nice to point out is:

The Emperor has no clothes.

For everyone who writes that newspaper endorsements don't matter, that was before Obama showed what a hypocrite and hustler he is by embracing a racist, anti-american pastor for 20 years, then initially defending him but ultimately cutting him loose when it became politically expedient.

Obama supporters like to point out that Hillary supporters, rural and blue collar voters are just not educated enough to appreciate Obama. Yet, I think we all recognize the moral dimension of Obama's embracing then rejecting his close friend - ALL IN THE MATTER OF SIX WEEKS!!!!

Finally, it's just too hard for most of us to try to understand Obama who basically doesn't have a record that would allow us to give him the benefit of the doubt. Why should we when we have Hillary Clinton who has a record and clear positions on the issues.

Near as I can tell, she hasn't thrown anyone who mattered to her under the bus!

Posted by: s. valenti | May 2, 2008 9:18:54 AM

Zogby has been off all year.
The Ras you understand it being off or being slow as its a betting pool biased by media pundits.

I expect Hillary to win N.C. as long as African American turn out is below 67% and Obama caries less than 80% of the African American vote.


Already some pundits are trying to spin that a small loss by Obama is ok in NC.

(Yes, MSNBC reporting) They should just come out and issue an Obama endorsement.

Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | May 2, 2008 9:22:48 AM

rs: Hillary and Bill Clinton have more questionable relationships than anyone else left in this race. She has not been vetted yet--not even close. She was vetted as the spouse of a politician, not as a politician. She loaned her campaign $5 million, which likely didn't come from her senate income or her book sales. If and when she becomes the nominee and people start looking into presidential library donations, Clinton Foundation donations, questionable Clinton income and how all of those connections tie into support and contributions to the senator herself, things could get pretty interesting. You want to make a fuss about Rezko? He's tied to many, many politicians. He made contributions to Bill Clinton also. Hsu made far greater contritutions to Hillary Clinton. He's in jail now. There's also a fraud case in California involving the Clintons. Yeah, she's been vetted all right.

Posted by: mary, ct | May 2, 2008 9:25:09 AM

great decision by a respected newspaper.Would much rather go with their editorial than the moron Andrews who wants his two minute of fame by switching sides

Posted by: vic | May 2, 2008 9:34:48 AM

Let's put all the cards on the table. Starting with Larry Sinclair. Who is Larry Sinclair? Is he just another dope head who spits vernom against OBAMA ? Is Larry Sinclair for real?

Posted by: john7005 | May 2, 2008 9:35:08 AM

Mr. Obama has explained quite candidly the complexity of the Rev. Wright circumstances for all of us with “learning disabilities” to understand in his speech outside of Philadelphia. You remember the best speech that Obama has given, compared to the days of Lincoln. "I can no more disown him (Jeremiah Wright) than I can disown my white grandmother." -- Barack Obama, Philadelphia, March 18, 2008.

However in North Carolina, Obama explained that he now had to renounce the man, not just his words. He said his comments were “shockingly divisive and destructive”. But Rev. Wright’s comments were not new. We all heard then over two months ago. Had Rev. Wright’s philosophy and views in life suddenly, out of the blue, just changed? Hearing the hatred comments for some time (months) he did nothing.

Mr. Obama has adjusted his stories (lack of candidness and truthfulness) on this topic too many times to believe. Senator Obama stated publically that he never heard Rev. Wright make any controversial statements. Then he later stated that he did hear some over the years he's been in church. Which is true and which is false? The truth is that Mr. Obama has just realized that the American public now realizes that Rev. Wright sells racial hatred and therefore Obama’s judgment is now in question. So the new message is now abandonment not because Rev. Wright said disgusting and degrading things about America and the white population, but because it clearly now shows a lack of sound judgment for a very LONG TIME on Mr. Obama’s part. End of subject. No more discussion, let’s stick to the issues which of course is no more CHARACTER talk.
Good Luck to Hillary in Indiana! North Carolina was bought out some time back.

Posted by: Anne | May 2, 2008 9:46:46 AM

Kevin- You are correct the latest Zogby poll has Obama and Hillary even however he was ahead a week ago. He is losing support and the RCP average has Hillary with a 6.6 point average over Obama in Indiana including the Zogby poll you mention. Here is the problem Obama is losing support in Indiana and more importantly the Zogby poll shows that 9% are undecided in almost every single match up between Hillary and Obama the majority of undecideds go to Hillary, thus bad news for Obama. My prediction for Tuesday: Hillary by 5 in Indiana, Obama by 7 in NC.

Posted by: Gonzalo | May 2, 2008 9:56:15 AM

It really irkes me that some democratic leaders think that they can endorse Obama and not have to pay for it. That in the end we will embrace whomever they choose! You have reporters claiming that Clinton is trying to get the election by breaking the rules. No she is not! I think that if these Obama supporters keep pushing it we are going to have to endulge the republicans for four more years. It is only by this sacrifice and strong message that we people will be heard and respected. That or get Hillary to run as an independent.

The supers by trying to force this thing shut, are creating a backlash which is opposite of their wishes They are creating the drive for McCain. They should sit and wait till the people have spoken or the dems will lose.

Posted by: Kimberly Peacok | May 2, 2008 10:17:13 AM

Watch out! A surprise loss is wating for Sen. Obama in North Carolina!

Posted by: charleychaplin | May 2, 2008 10:28:36 AM

For all the goodwill and admiration that Barack Obama attracts, from beyond as well as within America, many hold doubts about the staying power of the political enthusiasm he has engendered. They point to the doomed vulnerability of large-hearted idealism in the public sphere. Even were he to be elected, they imagine him buried alive in the Oval Office by the institutionalized lobbies and corporate interests that
actually run the United States.
At the heart of these concerns lies a misunderstanding of Obama's approach and the progressive tradition from which he emerges, because he is engaged in something
not seen on the national stage for a very long time.
Yet it is also a deeply familiar endeavour that most
Americans would find recognisable from school history lessons. Obama emerges directly from a powerful radical tradition in US politics which is embedded in its founding ideology - classical republicanism.
It is more than the static ideals of liberty, equality
and justice - which established democracies in place of tyranny, monarchy, slavery and empire. It is the craft of popular sovereignty: active citizenship.
Political republicanism remains a set of collective
practices engaged in by free citizens to achieve those ideals. Thomas Jefferson once declared for a revolution every 15 years in America - not simply because the first was so limited but because of the ossifying nature of power in the institutional architecture of the republic. The core of republican philosophy is an appreciation of the need to constantly restore and return the locus of sovereignty, of power, to the people themselves, away from those institutions and interests that capture and hold it, and thereby keep
the body politic, and freedom, alive.

This, the very essence of democracy, is not secured by elections but by the activities and associations
through which citizens engage in the public sphere. If citizens wish to live as a free people, the struggle
to obtain (or simply maintain) political freedoms must be engaged on anew by each generation, and advanced through a remarkable dynamic that was known, in the republican discourse of the 18th and 19th centuries, as practising the virtues.
What does it mean to practise the virtues in politics? It is, quite simply, engaging in practices for the common good in the public sphere. It does not rely on a virtuous leader to look up to, or that fights for you, but one who, by engaging in these practices, helps unleash an equal creative capacity in others. Hope and courage are more than crucial republican virtues: they are the very engine that encourages others to join a common endeavour that can take on powerful opponents. And this dynamic creates a great deal more than particular benefits for individual citizens. It recognises that they themselves possess the ultimate liberty: the political liberty of designing their common future. Is it any wonder Obama is so wildly appreciated by the powerless, by people across parties, and especially by the younger generation of Americans?
Another attribute of republicanism is that once this
common process is initiated, creative answers to
obstacles do not emerge only from the strategy room at the top of the campaign but also from a much larger arena of action, where organised structures at every level constantly produce new solutions.
This is the precise strategy that Obama would bring
into Washington in November, and into the White House in January. For the ideology of republicanism is, historically, a successful strategy to overcome
entrenched, powerful interests through popular
mobilisation. It is neither a bottom-up nor top-down process but something larger than the sum of both, working both inside and outside national institutions towards a common goal.
Tell your mom in Indiana and your daughter in Oregon. It can be done.

Posted by: bruce becker | May 2, 2008 10:38:59 AM

I thank god that they have not been able to force out the only real Presidential candidate Hillary she is going to win in IN and NC and the rest of the primary's

Posted by: Bishop | May 2, 2008 10:49:46 AM

Clinton/Kennedy in 08 I love it

Posted by: Bishop | May 2, 2008 10:52:08 AM

Hillary has a backbone and she has lived around these people a long time. Whatever questionable ties the Clintons have, they obviously can't be easily controlled, which is why the DNC is now the ONC - Obama National Committee. Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Kerry, General Electric, Exelon, everyone connected to Rezko, all these people are expecting big payoffs from the Obama presidency. That's just one opinion of course.

Posted by: rs | May 2, 2008 10:52:49 AM

Be smart and sharp: Vote Hillary 08!!

Posted by: raquel | May 2, 2008 10:58:45 AM

kim peacock Relax. There is no rule on when supers have to give their indication, (as if they need to wait until after you have voted, or until every state has voted, because if they had to wait to see what your preference is or the preference in their state or all the states, and then ONLY do the same, that would mean they dont get to have a point of view, and that's the whole point, they are in this so they can ignore your point of view if they want to!!!! and they can change their minds, every other day, if they feel like circumstance recommend it.

Posted by: bruce becker | May 2, 2008 10:59:43 AM

Hillary brings practical change.

manufacturing can once again thrive in American but via personal fabrication and small business adapting and investing in this technology.

Investement into main street will bring economic balance and growth to the middle class. This can be accomplished by expanding the idea of economic empowerment zones and creating incentives for shared infrastructure for high tech. This will bring down the cost of investement and then investment in high tech become a credit risk assigned pool. It can revitalize America as an economic super power and make America a producer again.

America can best be united by economic co dependency and prosperity. One candidate provides a dream and another shows a path that with hard work and focus can make a dream reality; which do you choose?

The best person for President is not the most likeable, it's the one with the best plan!

Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | May 2, 2008 11:00:26 AM

I see how this works, the clintons hang out with whoever they want because they can't be controlled but Obama has the most tenuous connection to someone and he must be under their direct influence. yeah. that makes sense.

smiley you left out a word on your post. It is documented opposition research on Barack Obama.

The documentation there is dubious BTW and since it is clearly a pro-Clinton site and does no equivilent research on that candidate, I think calling it biased is being kind.

Posted by: Louis | May 2, 2008 11:03:30 AM

HRC fans, please explain this: Since HRC said in person in New Hampshire that Michigan ought not to count because the DNC realizes that having a small state first is the only way to ensure that the well known and powerful dont buy the election, why is she all for Michigan to count, now? And please explain how her advisers who voted against counting Mich, in the DNC committee, now go on TV and claim we have to count Mich?
Does the phrase THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS ring a bell?

Posted by: bruce becker | May 2, 2008 11:05:40 AM

HRC says she will create jobs. She doesnt explain in sensible terms how they would stay in the US. As long as we are in the WTO, all the work will flow to the lowest paid workers in the world, in the countries with the least members in unions, with the fewest benefits.

Posted by: bruce becker | May 2, 2008 11:09:21 AM

Bruce

I did not say they did not have the right. I am saing that they may have to pay a political price for it. I am also saying that we should not be trying to end this before people have voted.

Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | May 2, 2008 11:10:06 AM

NBC should have Russet ask Mr. Obama when was the last time he used illegal drugs?

Why? I think it matters to a large group of people.

I would also ask him if he has ever had sex outside his marriage while married?

Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | May 2, 2008 11:19:01 AM

Hillary, Obama, and the DNC are wrong to try and punish too states by taking away their votes. We are a republic before we are a party. Both expected the states to be seated in the end, the problem is that when they were seated later it wasnot supposed to be a difference maker. The fact is that they would put Clinton over the top or they would give Obama legitimacy. Obama would have done better by allowing primary do overs but he did not want o chance losing. Now if Clinton fails to get the nomination the republicans will get four more years. As a goverment or as a party we should not deprive the people representation. We fought a war with England over this for less cause.

Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | May 2, 2008 11:28:42 AM

It's a dead heat in Indiana at this point between Hillary and Obama. In North Carolina, Obama was at one time up 30 pts. over Hillary, now she has reduced that lead to single digits. The endorsement of the newspaper is a BIG deal at this stage in the game. According to Gallup, Hillary leads Obama in the favorable candidate to take on McCain. I see the tide turning in Hillary's favor. The Rev Wright is going to come back and add to Obama's denouncement, which is good, because it takes Obama off his game. Hillary will win the popular vote and if the Super D's decide to endorse Obama, this will cause a MAJOR split in the Dem party. They will hurt themselves and give the GOP the victory. A vote for Obama is a vote for the Republicans. Keep up the good work, Madam President, Hillary Clinton !

Posted by: david from texas | May 2, 2008 11:30:20 AM

They should mail this article to the DNC. If the DNC keeps pandering to the far left and blacks, they are going to lose a large chunk of voters that don't fall into either of those categories.

Posted by: Mack | May 2, 2008 11:36:17 AM

Bill Clinton Campaign Chairman and Hillary Clinton '08 Advisor Mickey Kantor tells George Stephanapoulos and James Carville: "Look at Indiana...it doesn't matter if we win. Those people are s.... How would you like to be a worthless white ni...r?"


Check it out on You Tube

Posted by: Thinking | May 2, 2008 11:39:43 AM

Sorry about the typos and miss-spells. My keyboard is giving me fits.

There are real solutions to our problems and Hillary has gone out and found answers. Hillary has a plan and Obama has a beautiful dream. It would ahev been nice to have a Clinton/Obama ticket and now I'm not sure that its possible.

Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | May 2, 2008 11:42:03 AM

Hey Oscar Meyer - good try with that. See how Hillary keeps going up in IN? The Obama campaign and his supporters don't have ANY credibility left. No one is listening to you or Obama any more. His time is done. Maybe he can be a law professor now or run the lecture circuit on how lies can do you in - Dr. Phil can go with him and help.

Posted by: Jenny | May 2, 2008 11:54:25 AM

Good post, Jenny. Obama's credibility has been hurt and will continue to be questionable. Hillary is closing the gap in North Carolina and will take Indiana. She makes the most sense in her platform. She is the most experienced and will be a formidable candidate against McCain. Obama will be an easy win for McCain, and I think thats what the Super D's are thinking.....I feel after Hillary wins Indiana and possibly even North Carolina, you will see many Obama Super D's changing their endorsement to Hillary as well as uncommitted going to her. She already is HIGHLY favored in Kentucky, West Virginia, and Puerto Rico. This race amazes me everyday. For some reason, I feel the GOP is behind this....I know the news media (pro-Obama) are owned and run by GOP's thats why they are pushing him so much. It seems like the DNC is being swayed by the GOP as well. EVERYONE knows that an Obama nomination will be an easy win for the GOP. Come on, America, wake up! Vote for the BEST candidate of the three......Clinton will take charge, fight to the bitter end, and perservere in times of hardship....she's already proven this!

Posted by: david from texas | May 2, 2008 12:05:10 PM

Newsweek shown OBAMA extending his lead and OBAMA told his that he was going to be close yet he lost in Pennsylvania by a landslide after spending $11m. on TV.

The pinch is that Hillary always beats the poll and OBAMA has had his four pairs of shoes in his mouth whining and acting. He is a snob that people don't understand what he has been talking about; so much for a good communicator who can only relate to his elite class.

Posted by: John_Lai | May 2, 2008 12:23:02 PM