I don't think Obama will choose Biden as a running mate, at least I hope he doesn't. As for Hillary, I don't see her dropping out, she will go to the Convention. Regardless, this has been a year!

Joannie....I have to agree with you. Regardless of what people think, Hillary still holds the keys to the White House in her hands.

so....East cost, I read that story when it originally ran. he lobbied for local businesses, those businesses weere successful and in turn supported the candidate that helped them. No crime was committed. Now if you want to look at supporters how about the foreign governments that are both high dollar supporters of both the McCain and Clinton campaigns? Particularly those supporters that are agents of the Saudi government? $130,000 over 7 years really isn't very much.

He's staying neutral because he is going to be the VP.

dl, do you think Biden would be a good VP pick?

when they were all in NH and I was still a supporter of this selfish senator from NY... Biden was awesome on knowledge.

and the most sincere...along with Obama, Dodd and McCain.

No one was more suited to take the reigns of this country if something happened to the president.

Clinton, Biden and Obama were the three I campaigned for...unitl I realized from seeinf them all several times that she wasn't who I thought she was.

The other two definitely were.

Just listened to Obama commenting on news about Sen. Kennedy's terrible diagnosis.

Yet again, it's all about him (Obama). and disturbingly, he talks about Kennedy in the past tense.

Yuck! What an egotistical jerk Obama is.

Don't give HRC too much credit or power. Her base is shrinking and at this point is hurting the chance for the next woman. She is down to calling everyine that did not vote for her a sexist. She has burned through Bill's clout. Under any scenario that she could concieveably get the nomination at this point would lose the general election. She could have beaten John Edwards if it had been the two of them. She was out campaigned, plain and simple. She does not help Obama as a VP because the people at her base now, won't vote for him because he is either black, male, or both. I'd be very surprised if she got re-elected to her senate seat. I would nto be surprised if she switched back to being a Republican.

My two cents

I somewhat agree...but his actions over the past week are setting him up ...first he has shown he can be the attack dog

he already had the knowledge and the gravitas...

he is not a strategic choice by states and if he is not the VP he is going to be on the team (it would be stupid for him not to be...he is the smartest guy as far as the issues we face in washington right now)

but also the fact that he is not backing obama speaks to my intuition that he is trying to keep the Hillary anger at bay shall he be picked.

but just this week alone...you can see him helping....and while everyone else was wrapped up in the primary he has been working and staying really relevant in the issues facing this election.

I think he may be the VP.

Hang tough Hillary! The boys are still trying to push you out. Never, ever back Obama, go independent, we got your back.
Binen and fifty others are panting like puppies for the VP slot. BO has promised everyone, he now will be confused and want the gov from the 57th state!
There is no way women will vote for Obama, Biden and the rest can beg all they want WE ARE NOT VOTING OBAMA, NEVER!!! ANYONE BUT OBAMA, ANYONE!!
OBAMA IS THE WORST THING THAT HAPPENED TO THE DNC and AMERICA! REV WRIGHT IS THE WORST THING THAT HAPPENED TO OBAMA.

HP Boston

You are in the minority...

most Clinton supporters are smart and noble

they don't vote out of spite. They vote out of what is best for the issues they have fought for and out of hope.

Just because the only woman running out of ten men does not mean she was the right candidate.

and most Hillary supporters as frustrated as they are and sad...know that.

Mention of Joe Biden brings back early memories of this Democrat party campaign.
It was a real quandary to decide who to support. Biden, Richardson, Dodd, Clinton and Obama; all worthy candidates in my mind. I have my preference but would welcome either of the two remaining candidates as president.

Please tell me how many people were polled of Hillary's base that were switching from her to BO. I seriously doubt that it was a signifcant amount after she crushed him in WVA and will probably do the same in KY. You will say that these are racist & uneducated people but they are not dumb enough to listen to the crap that BO & his wife spew or vote for him.

Obama made two different speeches on the threat of Iran to two different audiences on the SAME DAY! In Montana, Obama said Iran is a grave threat. In Oregon, the SAME DAY, Obama said that Iran is not a serious threat. This man is not qualified to be president. Superdelegates wake up and start doing your job instead of holding out your hands for the Obama cash!

I voted for Clinton in the primary but will never vote for Obama. We are the real deal .

DMK...if Hillary is so great and Obama cannot win, why isn't SHE winning against this first term Senator who no body knew a year ago ? Why is she behind in delegates and why is she NOW behind in superdelegates? What is the problem, and what makes anyone think she can get elected if she cannot carry both the red and blue states. Anyone got answers?

I hope Hillary runs as an independent candidate.

Why not? Lieberman did it.

I'm a life-long Democrat, but there is no way I'm voting for Neo-Socialist Obama.

latinlover1.....at one time, true dems would vote for the dem nominee, no matter what. This year, with the DNC basically ripping the Dems to pieces, this is not true....even the PRO OBAMA news network, CNN, feel this way. The emotions are too high, Clinton has more electoral votes than obama, and she has an extremely strong backing. Even if she tries to unite the party, her followers will not vote for obama. he is unelectable, still "shady", and will be vetted extremely hard by the GOP in the fall, IF he is the nominee. Sorry, but thats the way it is.

I hope Clinton does not "embrace" Obama.
The way the press and the elite in Washington have handled this primary, I hope the democratic party is broken. I was a democrat, now republican.

Hillary's supporters and there are many of us are not going away or voting Obama can you say McGovern that would be your guy I have seen 3 such elections in the last thirty five years and I will bet you the kids that are at the rally's won't all be voting and many blue collar workers won't be voting for Obama and the next time you need a plummer or an electrican call a latte egg head to fix it with only 6% of the population making above $85,000 I would say the working class out number the latte drinkers. Could be why Kerry,Kennedy,Mcgovern etc can never get in.

      "As for Hillary, I don't see her dropping out, she will go
      to the Convention."

I tend to agree.

I think Hillary is running for 2012 now; has been since Ohio/Texas; the numbers were set by then.  Of course, 2012 isn't open to her if Obama wins in 2008.  So, her best course of action is to do her best to see that McCain wins the general this round.    (It wouldn't be a good idea for her to actually come out and endorse McCain, but short of that, keeping her most rabidly "feminists forward" supporters all wound up clear into late August is her best bet.)

But, I don't think it'll work.  I think Hillary is toast in the Democratic Party as far as a presidential candidate now, already; don't agree with Biden that she's got 'til the 3rd of June to redeem herself.  She can go back to New York and be a Senator, everybody will let out a sigh of relief, but this is as close as she's ever gonna come to the Democratic nomination.  Her financiers weren't ponying up the money for a "prep for next time" campaign.  And, if Obama loses by a narrow margin, they will remember the damage done in the primary.

"I think there will be some women who will stay angry..." They've already been angry for 40 years, so that's not likely to change.
The world will become generally happier, lighter and more capable of progress once they, along with the rest of my selfish, stubborn and ill-mannered generation have passed on.

I guess if Hillary doesn't get the nomination she has a BIG decision to make. Does she choose to stay in the party and help Obama, who will in turn help her out of debt, or does she trash the nominee and let the Reps win? Good luck on the decision HRC...

and most Hillary supporters as frustrated as they are and sad...know that.

Posted by: dl | May 20, 2008 3:18:01 PM

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ALL Hillary supporters support her b/c she is the smartest and the candidate with the best plans and solutions. Obama is a newbie, inexperienced empty suit who in 143 days in the senate copied and grabed the pant leg of every other Senator to get his name on a bill. He is a conniving politician, who even his Rev Wright found wanting!!!

Aug.26th is Womans Equality Day in 1908 100 years ago the democratic convention was held in denver At that time women could not vote.

Please don't confuse "Democrat" with "Liberal" unless Obama is nominated then you leftwingers will the party all to yourselves. LOSERS

I am also a Hillary supporter - I will vote for McCain. Something about Obama that just is to good to be true.

@ Nat....in the General Election:

Do you think america will support a racist bigot like obama?

do you think america will support a candidate when asked direct questions on policy, always says, "I agree with mrs. clinton?

do you think america will vote for a candidate with an ugly wife that hates america?

do you think america will vote for a candidate that is endorsed by the hamas?

do you think america will vote for a candidate that thinks there are 57 states in the u.s.?

do you think america will vote for an idiot that wants to open dialogue with iran (basically because he is a closet muslim)?

the list goes on and on and on.......obama will be toast in the GE!

Watch to see how BO plans to protect the United States! Pretty dangerous & very stupid!! IDIOT!

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america

Lates Gallup poll says that Clinton only leads by 51% or more among women obver 50 all othe deomgraphics show that Obama is leading.

I didn't think all the blame game she has been making the last couple of weeks would help her much. She is growing weaker by the day. She had a nice run but it is over.

Obama)*

MISLEADING TITLE. MUST BE A HIGH SCHOOL INTERN....

Nat Turner -- sorry - but Clinton will siphon off more votes than any of those two. Her defectors are running to McCain.

I'd be very happy with Biden as VP, but he'd make a great sec of state too. My pick for vp is Jim Webb. Sam Nunn would be fine, but Webb could nail McCain to the wall on Iraq. As for Hillary, she is over. thank God

Polls are great Bo has a 4% lead in Oregon and Hillary has a 41% lead in Kentucky!!!!

I'm thinking this is really for the record books. Clinton wants to go down as the first woman to win XX states, XXX votes, XXX delegates in a presidential primary. She has broken ground and for the record books, it would make sense to stay in until then. I don't think she wants to be remembered though as the sabateur of the 2008 election by taking it to the convention despite Obama having passed the 2026 threshhold with pledged delegates and superdelegates before then.

Jim Webb -that's a good one. Can you imagine Barry the wimp standing next to Webb.

Hillary just got 3 superdels from KY

geevil -- what I really enjoy imagining is Obama taking McCain apart in debates. McCain's only chance would be if they held the debates at an Old Country Buffet at 4 in the afternoon

Joannie,
Agree with you. I believe Clinton should break off and go independent. As a Hillary supporter, I could give 2 craps about the DNC. They've turned their back on her AND her supporters and aren't going to shove Obama down my throat. McCain is likeable enough and if there's enough DEMs who didn't aid in this stupidity, they'll get back into congress and we'll have McCain with a Democratic congress. After 30 years of being a Democrat, I just sent off my registration to change my party affiliation to "unaffiliated". If they want our votes they'll have to start listening to THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
HANG IN THERE HILL!!! WE LOVE YOU

HP Boston, this woman is voting for Obama.
Attending a 'watch' party this evening, with a slew of female (and male) Obama supporters (jewish, hispanic, black white, indian, asian). Some that switched from clinton, even after Jeremiah Wright hit 30 second loop tv, so don't believe the hype.

O-ba-ma O-ba-ma O-ba-ma

~here I am baaaby...signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours~

I care less what Biden says.
The democratic process nominating a candidate is very un-democratic.
I voted for Hillary but i will not
vote for Obama.

Everyone needs to separate their emotional feelings from their rational though processes - the two do not go together.

If your candidate does't get elected in the primary, and you stay home in the fall or vote republican, you are an idiot and the continued demise of this country will be on your shoulders! Do not give this country back to the republicans.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!!!!!!!

Newsflash! The only VP candidate that can possibly affect the outcome of this election is Hillary Clinton. She is close to Obama in votes and has quite a few delegates if you haven't noticed. On the other hand, selecting her brings potential problems. However, to put the unification of the Democratic Party on Hillary Clinton's shoulders is not fair and I hope that was not what Biden was implying (and it may not have been).

I got a survey from the DNC wanting to know what I think about the 2008 campagin they also want money I guess this is the joint fund rasing deala letter from Hillary was also with it.it has a registration No.They have trashed us Hillary supporters at the DNC site for months.Now they want money

What is Obama going to do when he can't copy off Clinton? Agree with McCain's positions. I know, Obama will simply talk about George Bush all the time.

I do believe she would listen to Biden if she were able. She has become so fixated on her private dream that she has disabled her flexibility to move with the times.

I do not feel that the Senator from NY any longer has an emotional choice. June 3 she will say something about having more popular votes or more electoral votes and her supporters deserve an open convention. Even Al Gore and Jimmy Carter cannot stop her. She can't help it. Her loss is unacceptable to her.

Agree Bishop -

The DNC wants my money too after they found out how much I was donating weekly to Hillary! My money will only go to the DNC if Hillary is the nominee. If it is Barry he is on his own.

Yeah, Biden and his 0 delegates. Where is he from Delaware? Yeah, a real big shot huh.

Not at all lol, just letting you know Obama has the support of all races, not just black people.

But since you mention it....I have been around the world a few times. Does that make me intellectual and wordly?
Does carrying a 9mil make me 'pimped out'?

Some of you folks can be so crass.

Clinton supporters are idiots and wasting their time and money,
math never lies to you!!!!!!!

      "I thought they would 1/2 them too, but I wonder if
      they will leave them in place to appease Hillary. It
      won't change the outcome."

Then she'll take the Michigan settlement to the floor as a single.

Total earnable (i.e. "pledged") delegates: 3,253
With Florida (185) and Michigan (128):  3,566
Needed to "win" the pledged delegate race, 1,627 (or 1,784 with Florida and Michigan).

As of 20 May '08, Obama has 1,602, Clinton has 1,444.  The shortfall is -25 (Obama) and - 183 (Clinton); there's 189 delegates left out there to earn.
There's 103 delegates up for grabs today.  Obama will go over the 1,627 mark tonight.
Conceivably, neither one might get the
Including Florida, there are 32 delegates out to John Edwards; excluding Florida there are 19 out to Edwards.  Although, after Edwards endorsed Obama, ten of them have indicated they'll go with Obama.  The margin of victory might reside in the remaining Edwards' delegates or in the 55 Michigan delegates who are uncommitted. 
If we include Michigan and Florida the tallies towards a majority of pledged delegates is:
Obama:  1,602 + 67 (Florida) = 1,669 = 115 short
Clinton:  1,444 +105 (Florida) + 73 (Michigan) = 1,622 = 162 short
Edwards 19 + 13 (Florida) = 32 = way short
And the field going forward is demographically favorable for Clinton.

If she is not a nominee, but she will be most powerful woman politician in this country. She will lose with dignity and Obama won without dignity.
All her supporters still remember to fight hard for them.
The majority of his delegate are from caucus and caucus is undemocratic. He will lose in general election.

      "Are you saying that if she can get Florida as is and
      have MI her way, with Obama getting none...she can
      win or just come to within 100?"

I'm saying that if she holds out for Florida and Michigan to be seated as per the rogue primaries, she'll come to within 47 pledged delegates of Obama as of this morning.
And the field going forward is demographically favorable to Clinton.  Could be she could "win" outright--long shot, but it could happen.  Likely Obama won't "win" outright either, although he's closer to it.
More likely the balance of power would be in the 55 "uncommited" delegates from Michigan.  She'll go for those hard; so will Obama.

      "I can't see them giving her all of MI and zero to
      Obama. That is patently unfair."

We're talking about the Clintons here.  "Fair" is not an issue; "fair" is a word for fools and children.  Rules are what you can enforce, and deals are made to be broken.

      "Can the decision made on 5-31-08 be appealed?"

Yes, to the Credentials Committee in Denver, and THAT can be taken to the floor for a floor vote ('cause Clinton will have enough votes on the committee to get a "minority report" also voted out if [when] she loses there).  Then it's a floor vote.

     "I am an Obama supporter but I have to admit if I were
      Hillary Clinton, I would be thinking long and hard before
      conceding anything."

She'll lose on the floor vote too.  The point would be to inflame things enough to keep her voters from changing their minds and voting for Obama so she could have a shot at it again in 2012.

And, if by some miracle she didn't lost that vote and got the nomination, the nomination wouldn't be worth squat.  The convention would be a minor riot.  Young voters and blacks would sit home in the general, and McCain would coast to a third back-to-back Republican administration.
The point is to delay the reconciliation, to cause Obama to lose the general.

(See my post of 3:42:46 PM above for my take on this.)

Biden for State.

Hillary supporters are kinda like the Eskimos that gather on an ice floe and wave to the others as they trek into the mysterious beyond.

They are the only ones still bitching about Florida and Michigan. They have already blamed the voters, the media, and the DNC for all their problems, yet in the spirit of Clintonism have yet to place any blame on themselves for anything that has gone wrong in this election. Even George Bush accepted responsibility (belatedly) after Hurricane Katrina.

(Hillary Supporter): THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN! EVERYTHING'S WRONG WITH THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN! HE GOES TO THAT RACIST PREACHER'S CHURCH!!

If that's true, then why is Obama winning? Have fun on your ice floe. :-)

There has been a tremendous amount of support for Hillary to run as an Independent if she does not get the nomination. Hillary has been a fighter, and she could win as an Independent. Just look at Kentucky where she won by 67% That represents the true America.

Hopefully, after Hillary fully embraces Barack come June 3, her supporters will follow in unison and vote Barack, come November?

Hillary supporters are simply bitter because their candidate is not winning. Sooner or later, they'll cling to their guns, as they seem to have lost their bearings already!

KY (and WV) have helped me understand what "white lies" means. According to exit polls, 73 percent of Kentucky Democrats said Hillary Clinton shares their values and 70 percent of WV Democrats said the same thing.

The Bosnia sniper fire lie must have done the trick amongst these hard working white Americans.

Thank God there was Oregon!

Obama '08!

I am sure she will, but will her supporters in places like PA and OH embrace Obama.. that's the question the DNC should be honestly debating.

30+% of the Democrats that voted for Bush in 2000 and 20004. Why? Because they viewed Gore and Kerry as elitist and out of touch with their concerns. Those same 30% groups have now voted for Hillary and support her over McCain. So the DNC/SD's are willing to sacrifice the party in order to force in their "Golden Boy" (NOT)? George S. stated this morning that the SD's won't pick Clinton over Obama because they won't do that to the first African American candidate. What in the hell?! Oh, but they'll screw the voters who supported this party long before Obama waltzed his brass knuckle "Change" in politics self into the party.

OOps that is to say:30+% of the Democrats in Indiana, Kentucky and West Virginia voted for Bush in 2000 and 20004. Why? Because they viewed Gore and Kerry as elitist and out of touch with their concerns. Those same 30% groups have now voted for Hillary and support her over McCain. So the DNC/SD's are willing to sacrifice the party in order to force in their "Golden Boy" (NOT)? George S. stated this morning that the SD's won't pick Clinton over Obama because they won't do that to the first African American candidate. What in the hell?! Oh, but they'll screw the voters who supported this party long before Obama waltzed his brass knuckle "Change" in politics self into the party.

Hillary doesnt hold the keys to anything anymore.
It is up to Pelosi now.
We are not afraid the feminists will support McCain, who will appoint Judges who will make decisions to please fundamentalists on the basis of the Old Testament.

Like Hillary stated , when it is over who ever is the nominee, the other candidate will be there for the other one. That doesn't mean her/his supporters will be there to vote for the other one. Hillary is not the nominee so be it, we can still campaign to have as a write in for the presidency!

I guess you could say the feminist agenda has been wildly succesful if thousands of women "protest" by voting for a white, male Republican for president. Oh, the irony...

It is NOT a protest vote. It is my right to vote for what I see as what is best for my country.

McCain has supported many dem positions over the years, he has served his country above and beyond, and on the top three issues to me: torture, environment, and immigration, he will and has stood with dems. Continuing to hype his honesty about Iraq is ridiculous. No one honestly is going to be able to bring our troops home immediately. It would be suicide to do so, even Obama's late advisor said so. So let's be realistic, I know McCain, I have seen him work and cross the aisle. I have seen Hillary cross the aisle and work to get things done. What has Obama done but jump from office to office? What has he really accomplished? Who surrounds him, they are not "new politicians" they are the oldest, liberalist, and most powerful. That is not new; that is not change.

It is just a really good sales job.