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Bill Clinton: Florida, Michigan Are "Embarrassing" For Democrats
May 14, 2008 2:29 PM
ABC News' Sarah Amos Reports: Former President Bill Clinton continued to make a case for seating the delegates in Florida and Michigan Wednesday, saying that it's "shocking and embarrassing" to see the Republican party dealing with this situation in a better manner than the Democrats.
President Clinton chose to begin his speech to a crowd in Missoula, Mont. with what turned into a six-minute discussion of the status of Michigan and Florida.
"All [Hillary] has ever asked for is that everybody vote, that we count the voters that show up, this is about the people not the mechanism. If you wanna punish them fine, but don't pretend they don't exist. And don't pretend it didn't happen. And don't pretend that she wasn't willing to let them vote again and help them raise the money to let them vote again," Clinton said.
President Clinton also hinted that if the races in Michigan and Florida had turned out differently, than perhaps the Democratic party would be quicker to come to a resolution.
"We are Democrats. We are supposed to be about the business of empowering," he said. "This should be a great empowerment election, and how ironic it would be ... if the thing would be decided by the most disempowering top-down, and I think mindless decision, I can recall in a month of Sundays."
The former president was adamant in his speech, asserting that both states needed to be counted now in order for a Democrat to win them in the general election.
"Now, I never thought it would be the Democratic party that didn't want to count votes in Florida. I thought that was a Republican strategy -- or strategery as the case may be. And I just ask you all this, do you really believe Florida would be getting this kind of treatment if the vote had turned out the other way? And I think we really have to consider that this is trouble. You know, if we win Florida, it is hard to see how they win the election. It is hard to see how we win Florida if our best argument is we've already ignored you once, now get in line," said Clinton.
May 14, 2008 in Bush, George W., Kucinich, Dennis, Tancredo, Tom | Permalink | User Comments (203)
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It's over. Bill and Hillary Clinton are "embarassing" themselves.
Update:
Obama gains the endorsement of 4 SDs today... or so far
Posted by: Vanessa | May 14, 2008 2:33:57 PM
The disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan is embarrassing! The republican controlled legislature in Florida precluded the primary from being held within the approved timeline, and the DNC allowed it to happen. There aren't 48 states in this union, and EVERY vote needs to be counted. Both Florida and Michigan agreed to a re-vote funded by non-tax dollars, and still Obama refused! He wants only 48 states to count, despite the fact that he thinks there are 57.
Posted by: Emily | May 14, 2008 2:42:46 PM
vanessa - this is a democratic process; we have 50 sates, not 48. Your myopia is quite boring. Yes, Obama is gaining SD but Hilary is still winning states so what does that tell you as far as what the people want versus what the SD are doing? It should concern you.
Posted by: druggstohr | May 14, 2008 2:44:51 PM
Why is Hillary Blocking the Michigan Delegates from being seated?
The MI Dems, the DNC and Obama have agreed to the Michigan Compromise to seat the Delegates in Denver.
But Hillary won't allow it. It seems she would rather disenfranchise the People of MI.
Does Hillary hateMichigan? It makes you wonder.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 14, 2008 2:52:02 PM
I applaud Bill Clinton in his assessment of Florida and Michigan. These are states, very IMPORTANT states. They should be allowed to re-vote and have their delegates seated. Obama supporters DON"T want this to happen because he was dead set against having Florida and Michigan revote and be seated. If they had been, he would be losing now by ALL accounts.....what a pud he is.....however, I think on May 31st, the delegates will be seated, the count will go to 2209, and Hillary will win the nomination on the convention floor! Hillary 08!
Posted by: david from texas | May 14, 2008 2:52:18 PM
The Clintons are just reaching for what they know to be an impossible tie without. It is understandable, but they only are asking for a rule change after the game. There is no way the Dems can win with Clinton at the helm, maybe as the vice. The only way Clinton can win is to manipulate the system, no one likes that. Not only that, it is the same tricks they attack the reps for. Shameful really. Pathetic really. Also, is Clinto really claiming that she is the best cadidate because only she can get the uninformed, white moron vote?
Posted by: Richard Bouch | May 14, 2008 2:54:00 PM
The new Clinton tactic is to show that this is all Obama's fault. How convenient. The problem is that she was all for the disqualification of the two states because she was banking on a coronation after super Tursday in Feb. Well it didn't happen. She obviously didn't care until it suddenly meant she may lose the nomination. This is called grasping at straws...and it's becoming boring.
Posted by: Sue | May 14, 2008 2:55:23 PM
Are you kidding me? Interesting how they were not making this arguement when including Fla. and MI. did not help Hillary. Now that including them would help her he starts back up with it. Please! They need to stop.
Posted by: marie | May 14, 2008 2:58:16 PM
Lets review- neither candidate has the required number of delagates to be awarded the nomination. So let ALL the people vote. Fla and Michigan? not counting the votes? a setup by the DNC to get OBAMA selected as the nominee. They set this up long ago. And excuse me- why have a convention if the nominee has already been decided by the new pundits and Dean? I thought the covention was there to enable the party to make a final decision- if one had not obtained the required number of delegates by then?
So as we've already annointed Obama the winner-Cancel the convention and save the money for the general election. As for the Florida life long Democrat- John McCain gets my vote- just for spite!
Posted by: skippy | May 14, 2008 2:59:50 PM
BO refused an all expense paid re-vote because he knew how Florida and Michigan originally voted, and how they'd likely vote now. Florida and Michigan primary votes DO count, and the delegates must be seated proportionate to the original primaries.
BO dismisses Florida and Michigan voters, people from small towns, blue-collar workers, gun-owners, church-goers, West Virginia, and virtually everyone else in America. Pray tell, how is this man electable?
Posted by: Emily | May 14, 2008 3:01:44 PM
It will be hilarious when the fight goes all the way to the convention, and then the head gurus (Bill, Hillary, Terry McAuliffe et al.) determine that Hillary gets the nomination. The Blacks and the young and the intelligent then all walk out into the streets of Denver, vowing not to vote at all in November.
Posted by: Horace | May 14, 2008 3:02:16 PM
Thank you Bill for speaking up about this hypocracy. My understanding is that Michigan wasn't too receptive of Obama. I think the newness of his campaign has rubbed off. If McCain draws the Reagan Democrats this November, the Republicans will win. The only way I vote for this guy is if Hillary is on the ticket. Why would you put a perfect stranger on the ticket when Hillary won half the Democratic Electorate in the primaries. Who cares what Michele Obama wants or thinks. Hillary supporters will not unite if she is not on the ticket.
Posted by: Lois, California | May 14, 2008 3:03:46 PM
It is embarrassing that Florida and Michigan are still hanging out there as question marks. Shame on Howard Dean for not resolving this issue sooner!
Posted by: hopesprings52 | May 14, 2008 3:05:52 PM
The reason Hillary rejected because Obama only wanted to seat delegate and did not want to count the votes from MI...
If so, his popular vote will be diminishing...
Obama doesn't care about the people from MI...
Posted by: True Truth | May 14, 2008 3:07:26 PM
Sen. Clinton, you should switch to the republican party as your superdelegates swithched to Sen. Obama. Republican party will treat you much better.
Go McCain 08.
Posted by: The Truth | May 14, 2008 3:08:49 PM
Ah Emily .... Maybe you can tell me why Hillary is turning her back on the people of Michigan.
Is she harboring a grudge or something?
Why won't she let their voices be heard?
Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 14, 2008 3:09:05 PM
@ Lois, California: You're right about moderate and conservative (Reagan) Democrats voting for McCain if Obama is the nominee. They may also vote for McCain if Hillary is second chair on the ticket, rather than first where she belongs.
Posted by: Emily | May 14, 2008 3:11:32 PM
Horace, in jest, you might be on something there. Its a shame, either way, Clinton or Sodama, McCain will win the GE. As Skippy stated, the nominee was already chosen by Dean, Peolosi, Kennedy, and Kerry, thats why Clinton is having to battle each and everyday. The mains street media (GOP owned) shoved Sodama down everybodys throats in hope that he would be the nominee, since this would be an easy win for the GOP in the fall. The DNC, Dean, and company thought they could make the GOP out a liar and also pushed Sodama, thats why there were no negatives coming out about him in the early caucus'. Then along came Wright....and all hell broke loose. Now, Sodoma is being vetted....the GOP loves this (they'll retake the White House), and Dean and company dont want to admit they have been defeated, so, they are thrashing Clinton. And, the fool in this is Sodama....after he loses, either the nomination or the GE, no one will care what he does....he was just a pawn in the political process.
Posted by: david from texas | May 14, 2008 3:11:44 PM
TCG:
Obama only wanted delegates from MI, he did not want to count the votes from MI..
That is the reason Hillary rejected him since Obama doesn't care about the people...
Posted by: True Truth | May 14, 2008 3:12:08 PM
True Truth - iness
It is a Delegate Contest. Delegates get seated at convention, not you, nor me nor Emily.
Delegates Dood.
Why won't Hilz let those delegates be seated?
Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 14, 2008 3:13:19 PM
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