It's over. Bill and Hillary Clinton are "embarassing" themselves.

Update:

Obama gains the endorsement of 4 SDs today... or so far

The disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan is embarrassing! The republican controlled legislature in Florida precluded the primary from being held within the approved timeline, and the DNC allowed it to happen. There aren't 48 states in this union, and EVERY vote needs to be counted. Both Florida and Michigan agreed to a re-vote funded by non-tax dollars, and still Obama refused! He wants only 48 states to count, despite the fact that he thinks there are 57.

vanessa - this is a democratic process; we have 50 sates, not 48. Your myopia is quite boring. Yes, Obama is gaining SD but Hilary is still winning states so what does that tell you as far as what the people want versus what the SD are doing? It should concern you.

Why is Hillary Blocking the Michigan Delegates from being seated?

The MI Dems, the DNC and Obama have agreed to the Michigan Compromise to seat the Delegates in Denver.

But Hillary won't allow it. It seems she would rather disenfranchise the People of MI.

Does Hillary hateMichigan? It makes you wonder.

I applaud Bill Clinton in his assessment of Florida and Michigan. These are states, very IMPORTANT states. They should be allowed to re-vote and have their delegates seated. Obama supporters DON"T want this to happen because he was dead set against having Florida and Michigan revote and be seated. If they had been, he would be losing now by ALL accounts.....what a pud he is.....however, I think on May 31st, the delegates will be seated, the count will go to 2209, and Hillary will win the nomination on the convention floor! Hillary 08!

The Clintons are just reaching for what they know to be an impossible tie without. It is understandable, but they only are asking for a rule change after the game. There is no way the Dems can win with Clinton at the helm, maybe as the vice. The only way Clinton can win is to manipulate the system, no one likes that. Not only that, it is the same tricks they attack the reps for. Shameful really. Pathetic really. Also, is Clinto really claiming that she is the best cadidate because only she can get the uninformed, white moron vote?

The new Clinton tactic is to show that this is all Obama's fault. How convenient. The problem is that she was all for the disqualification of the two states because she was banking on a coronation after super Tursday in Feb. Well it didn't happen. She obviously didn't care until it suddenly meant she may lose the nomination. This is called grasping at straws...and it's becoming boring.

Are you kidding me? Interesting how they were not making this arguement when including Fla. and MI. did not help Hillary. Now that including them would help her he starts back up with it. Please! They need to stop.

Lets review- neither candidate has the required number of delagates to be awarded the nomination. So let ALL the people vote. Fla and Michigan? not counting the votes? a setup by the DNC to get OBAMA selected as the nominee. They set this up long ago. And excuse me- why have a convention if the nominee has already been decided by the new pundits and Dean? I thought the covention was there to enable the party to make a final decision- if one had not obtained the required number of delegates by then?
So as we've already annointed Obama the winner-Cancel the convention and save the money for the general election. As for the Florida life long Democrat- John McCain gets my vote- just for spite!

BO refused an all expense paid re-vote because he knew how Florida and Michigan originally voted, and how they'd likely vote now. Florida and Michigan primary votes DO count, and the delegates must be seated proportionate to the original primaries.

BO dismisses Florida and Michigan voters, people from small towns, blue-collar workers, gun-owners, church-goers, West Virginia, and virtually everyone else in America. Pray tell, how is this man electable?

It will be hilarious when the fight goes all the way to the convention, and then the head gurus (Bill, Hillary, Terry McAuliffe et al.) determine that Hillary gets the nomination. The Blacks and the young and the intelligent then all walk out into the streets of Denver, vowing not to vote at all in November.

Thank you Bill for speaking up about this hypocracy. My understanding is that Michigan wasn't too receptive of Obama. I think the newness of his campaign has rubbed off. If McCain draws the Reagan Democrats this November, the Republicans will win. The only way I vote for this guy is if Hillary is on the ticket. Why would you put a perfect stranger on the ticket when Hillary won half the Democratic Electorate in the primaries. Who cares what Michele Obama wants or thinks. Hillary supporters will not unite if she is not on the ticket.

It is embarrassing that Florida and Michigan are still hanging out there as question marks. Shame on Howard Dean for not resolving this issue sooner!

The reason Hillary rejected because Obama only wanted to seat delegate and did not want to count the votes from MI...

If so, his popular vote will be diminishing...

Obama doesn't care about the people from MI...

Sen. Clinton, you should switch to the republican party as your superdelegates swithched to Sen. Obama. Republican party will treat you much better.
Go McCain 08.

Ah Emily .... Maybe you can tell me why Hillary is turning her back on the people of Michigan.

Is she harboring a grudge or something?

Why won't she let their voices be heard?

@ Lois, California: You're right about moderate and conservative (Reagan) Democrats voting for McCain if Obama is the nominee. They may also vote for McCain if Hillary is second chair on the ticket, rather than first where she belongs.

Horace, in jest, you might be on something there. Its a shame, either way, Clinton or Sodama, McCain will win the GE. As Skippy stated, the nominee was already chosen by Dean, Peolosi, Kennedy, and Kerry, thats why Clinton is having to battle each and everyday. The mains street media (GOP owned) shoved Sodama down everybodys throats in hope that he would be the nominee, since this would be an easy win for the GOP in the fall. The DNC, Dean, and company thought they could make the GOP out a liar and also pushed Sodama, thats why there were no negatives coming out about him in the early caucus'. Then along came Wright....and all hell broke loose. Now, Sodoma is being vetted....the GOP loves this (they'll retake the White House), and Dean and company dont want to admit they have been defeated, so, they are thrashing Clinton. And, the fool in this is Sodama....after he loses, either the nomination or the GE, no one will care what he does....he was just a pawn in the political process.

TCG:

Obama only wanted delegates from MI, he did not want to count the votes from MI..

That is the reason Hillary rejected him since Obama doesn't care about the people...

True Truth - iness

It is a Delegate Contest. Delegates get seated at convention, not you, nor me nor Emily.

Delegates Dood.

Why won't Hilz let those delegates be seated?

Hillary wants FAIR delegate assignment, proportionate to the primary voting. Obama refused a re-vote, and now the delegates must be seated fairly per the original votes cast.

The Clintons are the bigger embarrassment for the Dems!

If the Clintons years were so good, why wasn't Al Gore able to succeed the Clintons?

It was the Clintons taking advantage of the very young Monica-Lewinski in the Whore House that denied Al Gore AND ENABLE BUSH, who himself enabled 911 and other embarrassing national disasters!

If the Clintons weren't so selfish and self-absorbed, could control themselves and had some respect for the Presidency, Al Gore would be President.
Bush would never be allowed to destroy the country. And 911 WOULD NOT have happened!

The Clintons should just go away!

TCG,

Without voters, how will be delegates? If delegates only matters to Obama and you, why not count the voters? Without counting the voters, how will people's voice be heard?

It proved the hypocrite of Obama and his supporters...

They voted all ( Edwards-Obama-Clinton-Hucklebee-Mc Cain-Paul etccccc>>>>>>

Are you kidding me? Interesting how they were not making this arguement when including Fla. and MI. did not help Hillary. Now that including them would help her he starts back up with it. Please! They need to stop.

He's right. You can go on about rules all day long, but if punishing the voters is undemocratic. I hope FA and MI come back and bite them on the ### in November. They have it coming.

Ah Emily hits on THE POINT. It is what Hillary wants not what the people or the party wants.

The People of MI and The Party of MI want a 69-59 distribution in favor of Hilz.

She says no to The People and No to The Party. She says she gotta have at least 73 dels. No Mo No Less. Every one else be d*****.

So I guess I gotta agree with you.

Clinton's so called revote strategy excluded republicans and independents from voting in the the revote. That is why the revote idea was shot down, because is was catered to get Clinton the most votes!!!!!! Now she says Obama blocked the revote. Well, if it was a fair revote, maybe he wouldn't have done so. The Clintons are the clowns of the party. But the party is almost over, thank goodness.

Hillary and Obama both voted not to count both states. Now that she is behind she has flip flopped again. What a suprise. Guess her word is not to valuable. The only thing embarrassing is Bill and Hillary. What a shrew she is and what a letch he is.

At this point it's pretty much a moot issue, as far as the democrats are concerned. The infighting in between the two delegates, the mud slinging, the poor handling of two states, this emphasis with delegates over popular vote (that almost anyone with a brain can see is garbage)....

The Democratic party has done enough damage to themselves now that it is my belief, that they have no chance with the american public.

They destroyed their reputation for the sake of greed. I am not saying Bush is innocent of anything, but what I am saying is their recent behavior made anything Bush did irrevelant to the Democrats chance to get the position of the Commander in chief.

Basically, the Democrats screwed themselves out of the one seat in government they want.

No, the Clintons are embarrassing in their attempts to rewrite history, including their own positions on MI and FL, as well as change the rules at the end of the game. I can not believe that the media is reporting on this non-sense.

TCG,

Let me correct you again:

Obama only wanted delegates and did not want to count the Votes from MI,

Hillary rejected it because Obama doesn't care about MI people but his delegates...

So please don't mislead people as Obama always did....

Why change the rules in the middle of the game? Can any Clinton supporter tell me?

The former president does not know when to be embarrassed. The total lack of integrity and truthfulness is embarrassing. Watching him manipulate and manuever to get his mate into the White House is embarrassing. Seeing his face so red from exertion that it is practically screaming heart attack in the making!!! Get some rest. Read a book. Read some poetry.

Cut Michigan and Florida off in August and forget the election in November. Clear enough for you all to understand?

Bill Clinton is the incarnation of embarrassment among Democrats.

Give me a break? you claim Hillary is willing to pay for the primaries yet she cannot even pay for her campaigns debts? Get us a better line and also explain why she is refusing the most recent compromise plan on seating the delegation?

Yeah... Hillary and Bill are 100% correct. Obama should not be winning. Michigan's entire delegation should be seated and it should be 100% for Hillary since hers was the only name on the ballot. Remember, this is the game "I win" where the rules change whenever necessary. If Hillary loses the nomination, I will vote McCain because my convictions on economics, health care, foreign policy and environmental issues are not relevant to my voting decision.

The Clintons need to go away. They massage the rules whenever it fits thier purpose. That is not the type of individual that I want in the White House! Barak is offering change...REAL change. The Clintons need to embrace that if they truely want what is best for this country and not for thier own personnal glory.

And now Hillary is an incarnation of embarrassment among Democrats as well.

All in the family!

Ok Bill....you invented NAFTA and made China rich and killed the jobs in the mid-west...now you blame the Republicans for that?

Nice

Superdelegates,caucuses,primaries etc.
do not mean nothing in november.
Voters will decide the winner of the
elections.
If the party has un-electable nominee,
the party will lose.
Americans vote for a president with
certain values to be commander in chief
even if they don't like the party.
Obama as a black man is un-electable.
The blacks and radicals done so wrong
to the democratic party this year.
They pushed the whites to vote
republican again.

I think Democrats are too naive if they think that a black man will win the election. Maybe after 8 years it's possible.

The DNC made the rule. FL and MI knew that if they voted early their delegates would not be seated. Neither Clinton or Obama had anything to do with the decision in those states for the early vote. FL and MI voted early anyway and now have to live with the consequences. Regardless of what Clinton or Obama want, the decision is up to the DNC.

With due respect Mrs Clinton. But you are not qualify to be the President of United States.
You lied about your experience, next time please be honest.

Bill clinton is right. Democrats have lost their way in their zeal to nominate a far lefter.

They all signed off on the rules before hand including HRC and Obama that FL and Michigan would not count. As a result most of us didn't even vote! For that matter Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan. Now that she is loosing she wants to change the rules. Reminds of a spoiled brat child that wants to change the rules or make up new ones just because she is LOOSING. Michigan and Florida have both proposed compromises to be reviewed and voted on by the DNC on May 31. HRC rejected Michigan’s proposal because it would not gain her the delegates need to even make headway. Either side can spin the facts or what they perceive the facts to be but in reality no one has stolen or manipulated this election. Ideally another election would be held in both states but why when they both know the consequences from trying to jump ahead in the line. Let the primaries conclude and the chips fall where they may, which will be with Obama with higher numbers in all categories. If HRC then receives the nomination prepare for another 4 years of hell-on-earth because we will be paying $10.00 per gallon.

Not one democrat in Florida legislature voted against moving primaries forward. Get over it people!!!

hahahahahahaha

To suggest that Michigan and Florida are being ignored or "disenfranchised" completely ignores the process that was set in motion by the DNC and agreed by all candidates prior to any primaries. The Clinton's clarion call to let all of votes count is purely self serving given that this was not part of their conversation until she was well behind. It is a lie to suggest her only concern is to let all the votes count. She is a political shape shifter 2nd to none. Given the current math it is more likely that one of us reading this posting would be struck by lightning between now and the end of this primary season then it would be for her to overcome her circumstance and win. Time to close shop and get out of the way.
McCain is tough and Barak needs all of the time available to work on this challenge

Michigan and Florida are important democratic states, they must be part of the convention and process but, because there were never true contests in either state it seems to me that they should be seated with 50% of delegates allocated to each candidate.

I am curious - if the shoe was on the other foot and she was ahead - would she still be so determined to get everyone seated and heard - I guess it depends on your definition of would doesnt it --- can someone find me the clinton dictionary??? Seriously - she was all for punishment until she fell behind - lets not make Hill or Bill out to be martyrs - they are politicians just like the rest - and they are losing an dgetting desperate

Michigan & FLorida SHOULD be counted, regardless of who it affects or doesn't affect, they should still be counted!

Americans should vote by their belief and their hearts NOT any political party...

Americans are electing the president of United States or any chair of political party...

Americans will vote for the one who is the best to lead this country...

That is your first right and obligation as a US citizen..

What's embarrassing for democrats is Bill and Hillary. What a low-class couple they are. They are truly deserving of each other.

Its the pan calling the kettle black; The Clinton's are the one's who are becomming an embarassment. Even with Fl and Mi thrown in, and even if you give Obama no votes in Mi!(yikes), Obama is still ahead in popular vote. One thing you can say for the Republican's they know when it is the right thing to do and pack it in, even though they may have the 'right' to continue.

My biggest fear is the splintering of the Democratic Party, allowing McCain to win. What say you all?

I wish the people posting these comments could be a little less insulting to their opponent. Can't we support one without hating the other? This is not good for Dems in November.

I thought the Florida debacle was settled in 2000? YOu mean Hillary now wants a recount? Whatever happendee to Al Gore, anyway?

Embarrassing? Bill Clinton is telling us what is embarrassing? Ha ha ha ha ha. I guess it depends on how you define "is."

Bill Clinton is embarrassing himself. These were the rules they agreed to a year ago. Live with it.

Let us not forget the amount of lecture fees Bill Clinton can collect as the huband of a sitting president. The nominatio is probably worth a billion to him. Very embarassing indeed.
Cankur

MI and FL did this to themselves. They were told the consequence, but they flipped off the party and did it anyway. And Hillary, and Bill's it would seem too, sense of entitlement is incredible. They seem just like W. I WAS a big Bill fan, even after he embarrassed the country.

It's the delegate count the wins the nomination. Not the popular vote. Not the number of state wins. Hillary wants to rewrite the rule book. And for her supporters, it seems that you would rather have a women who lies every time she opens her mouth instead of the most qualified candidate.

Go Obama. You represent what I was always taught America stood for, fairness and honesty. You are MY hope!

God bless you!

there won't even be an election this year- al queda will hit us a while before the election with something BIG, and bush/cheney will have no choice. declare martial law and suspend elections and congress so that they can deal with the aftermath and a counterstrike on iran.

god bless bush and cheney.

All this fuss over 2 states and a candidate who won't play by the agreed upon rules. On the schoolyard, this would be called CHEATING & BULLYING. I don't want Bill Clinton anywhere near the White House ever again. And if you think he'll just sit there and host tea parties, you're really delusioned. Bill Clinton is the ultimate embarassment to this country and we should not forget that Hillary is married to this "piece of baggage". She and her husband are better suited as scandalous Republicans. She should be McCain's running mate.

I find it disgusting that you Hillary supporters act this way. Hillary was all about them not counting when she was in the lead. Now that she's losing she wants them to count, hypocrite much? On top of that when she had the SD lead she was saying it should be their decision who picks the nominee, now that she's gained a few extra votes she's turned around again.

Disgusting and insulting politics, when are you sheep going to open your eyes and realize Hillary is NOT the one for president.

Does anyone understand what's going on with Florida and their elections? Why can't they get it right? It's very annoying.

I'm from Florida. I am a Democrat. My vote did not count. I don't care who is at fault as at the end of the day, intra-party squabbling is why I do not matter. My party has proven to me that it cannot organize a two car parade. What's the alternative? I'm voting for the fichus tree -- it can do no harm.

OK DEMS........TIME TO JUMP SHIP!!!! YOUR PARTY IS SPLIT AND CAN'T RECOUP!

if Mr Bill is so concerned about the entire issue why he did not expressed his lame opinion at the the elections over there were taking place. Do not fool people, Bill.

Drugstohr.

Why did not the Clintons make an issue of this before the primaries began? Hillary knew the consequences of Florida and Michigan moving thier primary elections. Why now?

Hillary has enough reasons to run as a third party candidate. The fact that votes aren't counting in Florida and Michigan are enough. Run HRC Run. Obama has proven that he can;t win the general election. He has lost four out of the last five primaries. He only won North Carolina becasue the African American Vote is voting as a block. He loses everywhere else. An Obama nomination is a gift to McCain.

ALMOST EVERYONE is missing the point here. Democrats want the vote to come up with the answer THEY WANT. This is self evident by responses in this blog and it was self evident in 2000 where we were forced to recount and recount until we HOPEFULLY came up with the answer they wanted.

If the democrats were really interested in democracy they'd allow everyone to vote when each state decides they want to, and count the votes.

Instead they come up with "Super delegates" that don't have to vote the way the people did and they politic away and don't count two of the states that will eventually decide who's president.

I live in Michigan. I wont vote for either of these idiots and I think McCain is an idiot too. I wish someone else were viable in either party.

"I never thought it would be the Democratic party that didn't want to count votes in Florida. I thought that was a Republican strategy. It is hard to see how we win Florida if our best argument is we've already ignored you once, now get in line." - Bill Clinton -

SING IT, BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is a dream come true! all of you idiots are showing your true colors! john mccain will easily win when he and obama face off... i love the way it is all coming together for U.S.!

Michigan and Florida went against the DNC. and held primary elections early. The penalty for this was no delagates seated per the DNC. In Michigan Obama was not on the ballot but Hilary was. To bad but rules are rules and the taxpayers of michigan and florida are not paying for another primary election.

Truth - iness

Q - How are they gonna fit the 30 Million People that voted in the democratic primary/caucuses into the Denver Convention Center?

A - They are not. Delegates go in the Peoples' stead. The delegates then vote on a nominee.

Q- So it is the Delegates that eventually select the nominee kinda like electors from the electoral college select the President?

A - Yes.

Q - So it sounds like the one with the most Delegates will win the nomination?

A - Yes that is how it works.

He's right, the Dem Pary is an embarassment! It's a train wreck waiting to happen, with Obama as the conductor!

As a Florida voter- this is ridiculous. Whether the timing was "approved" - we wnet and voted when we were told to and our votes hould count. PERIOD. We didn't make the decision to change our dates to vote, etc but we, the voting population, are being totally punished for a decision we did not make. I thought we lived in a country where the ideas of true democracy and equal representation trumped what a political party decides to do or not to do...I'm certain that's what the heart of voting is- a voice given to each citizen. Our voices deserve to be heard- whether they like what we've got to say or not. Every tax paying, law abiding citizen has the right to vote - it is one of our basic tenets in the US and that vote should count EVERY time it is cast.

To seat the delegates in Michigan and Florida would teach the states that they can flaunt the party rules with no consequences. That's not right.

The Democratic parties in BOTH of those states need to have another election with BOTH candidates names on the ballot or neither states' votes should count. That's the only fair way of doing things.

You do have to feel sorry for Bill and Hillary. They are not dumb and they know right from wrong. They fully know that they agreed to the decisions about Fla and Mi months ago and now they desperately cleave to these populist but dysingenuous arguments about disenfranchised voters. It really is sad to see how far they've fallen.

Furthermore, the Clinton team is making all their arguments predicated solely from their terribly narrow perspective. When they argue about polls about Hillary supporters who would supoort McCain and the consequences of Hillary losing, they do not consider the consequences of what would happen if they were to manage to subjugate this process to their own selfish whims, this too would be deleterious to the party and to the nominee, Further, the voters who went to the polls in Fla and Mi knew the votes were not going to result in delegates and they chose to exercise their right to vote anyway. Bravo to them and their voices were heard in the context of that election with those names on the ballot under those circumstances. But what about the people who stayed home also recognizing that the vote would not count toward delegates, they would be the ones who would be disenfranchised if you change the rules after the vote. Its a good things the Clintons have lost already, otherwise all this silliness would be elevated to a level of dialogue far beyond the merits.

I think this is incredibly interesting. In my entire adult life I have never been so underwhelmed by the leadership. I can't vote for McCain, Hillary, nor Obama. I think a third party could really have an opportunity this year. Anyone could offer more leadership than this three ring circus.

It is al over Bill and Hillary. Go to cry somewhere else. Votes don't lie.

Hillary has already turned down a Michigan compromise that would award her the most delegates, which Obama has agreed to!

He was not even on the Michigan ballot and she won't accept the offer! It's all or else with her. Unbelievable.

Per Bill, "she offered to help them raise the money to help them vote again"??
She can't even raise the money to run her own campaign. How would she do that.

Both Florida and Michigan refused efforts to re-vote.

This issue has nothing to do with empowering the people. Where were all of these democrats when they knowingly broke party rules? They knew the consequences of their actions, and agreed to hold their primaries early. It would be a disgrace to allow FL and MI the chance to RECAST their votes, as they made the choice in the first place. Now that I think about it, I don't like the way my state's vote turned out, I'd like to redo Illinois as well.

I haven't heard Bill or Hillary explain why she agreed, before those primaries, that the elections would be considered invalid.

How about it, Hill and Bill?

It's obvious that the belief the elections would not count impacted the outcome.

Obama not being on the ballot in MI impacted the outcome.

Bill Clinton should be blaming the party and state leaders in FL and MI for disenfranchising their own voters.

Who are we kidding? After what happened in past elections in Florida I would not place a whole lot of credibility in their voting results. As for Michigan, a proportionate split of the delegates seems fair. What is embarrasing is the amount of time and energy going into this stuff because someone wants to get elected any way possible. If you offer truly sound ideas and beliefs (as opposed to political rhetoric and little else) those states not matter in the overall scheme of things.