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Clinton Mentions Election in Zimbabwe in Her Popular Vote Argument

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May 21, 2008 9:52 PM

ABC News' Eloise Harper reports: As she made her way down Florida, Sen. Hillary Clinton continued to push her polular vote argument. As an example, Clinton mentioned what happened in the elections in Zimbabwe to illustrate what can happen when the popular vote is not observed.

Speaking in Sunrise, Fla., Clinton said: "You heard Diana talk about coming from a country where votes don't count. People go through the motions of an election only to have it discarded and disregarded. We're seeing that right now in Zimbabwe -- tragically an election was held, the president lost, they refused to abide by the will of the people. So we can never take for granted our precious right to vote."

Clinton gave an abreviated version of her earlier speech, but made her argument for the popular vote to be the most important factor in this election again.

"Many of us believe that the candidate who got fewer votes was inaugurated president (in 2000),"  Clinton said. "And we know that of all states, this state should have extra attention to make sure your votes are counted."

Clinton, who has largely ignored fundraising in Florida, made a push for voters to go to her Web site,

and then said, "While you're there, think about making a contribution" -- the second time today she has made this suggestion to her audience.

The senator has one more fundraiser and then another stop in the state before returning to Washington for Senate business on Thursday.

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Hillary may have "ignored fundraising" in Florida, but she certainly hasn't ignored the Florida voters. Obama has not only ignored the voters, but has actively tried to silence their voices and votes.

Floridian's know who has, and will, champion their cause- Hillary.

Posted by: Emily | May 21, 2008 10:05:23 PM

Aw Omentum - give us a break already -- every friggin site and there you are, such a drama queen!

Posted by: druggstohr | May 21, 2008 10:07:33 PM

She is in it for herself only. She doesn't care if the democrats win or not, she doesn't give a flip about FL and MI voters.

She thinks if she can split the party and cause Obama to loose this fall, she can run in 2012, but she is wrong about that, and she knows it, she will never be electable.

Her political career is over.

Posted by: Thinking | May 21, 2008 10:08:36 PM

The media needs to stop enabling this divisive and deceitful LOSER, Hellary, most hated female in America! lol

The real race is Obama-McBush!

Posted by: Patriot | May 21, 2008 10:15:22 PM

Hillary's campaign manager McAuliffe's response when Michigan wanted to move up it's election date in 2004.

Here's a quote from McAuliffe's book "What a Party!"

"I'm going outside the primary window," [Michigan Sen. Carl Levin] told me definitively.

"If I allow you to do that, the whole system collapses," I said. "We will have chaos. I let you make your case to the DNC, and we voted unanimously and you lost."

He kept insisting that they were going to move up Michigan on their own, even though if they did that, they would lose half their delegates. By that point Carl and I were leaning toward each other over a table in the middle of the room, shouting and dropping the occasional expletive.

"You won't deny us seats at the convention," he said.

"Carl, take it to the bank," I said. "They will not get a credential. The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules. If you want to call my bluff, Carl, you go ahead and do it."

We glared at each other some more, but there was nothing much left to say. I was holding all the cards and Levin knew it.

Posted by: Debbie | May 21, 2008 10:17:55 PM

This woman has lost it she has cracked for pity sakes get her some help...What she won't do to win this...You know Hilly you are a sad old lady,for God sakes give it up....I pity you ....

Posted by: older wh. lady | May 21, 2008 10:23:05 PM

Obama has his campaign workers on their computers all hours constantly praising him and trashing Hillary. If you are a true Hillary supporter, nothing any of those people say can change your mind. I will never vote Obama "thinking" you can tell nobama it doesn't work. I pray if the DNC does choose Obama that Hillary refuses to campaign for him. She has been treated so unfairly by Obama and the DNC and his supporters. His supporters are disgraceful. I think their nuts. Omentum that goes for you too! I wish Hillary would run on an Independent ticket. She would be the next President of the U.S. God bless America. Not God damn America!!!

Posted by: carolyn | May 21, 2008 10:23:35 PM

Next thing I hear will probably be that the people want to elect Wright to replace Obama as the Illinois Senator. The fools of you so loyal to Obama would vote 92% for him too!!! Crazy kooks!!!

Posted by: carolyn | May 21, 2008 10:26:49 PM

"I wish Hillary would run on an Independent ticket. She would be the next President of the U.S. God bless America. Not God damn America!!!"

well said, carolyn. It looks like we will have to do it at some point, but McCain will wipe out Obama this year.

Hillary '08

Posted by: rd | May 21, 2008 10:31:11 PM

Omentum - no surprise you go for the smaller point - the greater point being -- you are a drama queen. If you spent half as much time scrutinizing your own candidate's non-sequiturs as you do parsing Clinton's every move, you might get somewhere. Like, what's with the flag pin all of a sudden? Or, whay can't anybody say the name Hussein? OR why can't anybody criticize the guy without being called divisive or a racist? OR why is this perception that all Clinton supporters are women? OR, and here's a good one -- how come your guy slams McCain for not coming forward about lobbyists on this campaign until "forced to by the media." Sounds like Rev Wright to me. Oh I forgot, he "volunteered" that infomation didn't he? OR and I love this one "I know what it's like in the ghetto because after I got out of Harvard I worked there OR I was on food stamps as a kid (yeah while your mom got her PHd and your banker grandma and store owner grandpa footed the bill for your private schooling) OR "I have foreign policy experience cause I grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii." etc etc etc

Posted by: druggstohr | May 21, 2008 10:31:40 PM

So now Obama is akin to a third world dictator? This hyperbole is getting ridiculous. Hillary lost: time to let go...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | May 21, 2008 10:33:59 PM

I live in Florida and I am mad as blazes because of this with the DNC. I think when that happened is when people got discouraged that the DNC was choosing the candidate they wanted. The MSM CERTAINLY HAS TOO!!! I think we need a whole new Democratic Primary a one day vote for all. No causcus's just regular votes. See who wins the race. I know it would be Hillary! She would win the GE too! Obama is unelectable! Way too much corruption, an American hating wife, Farrakhan, Ayers, Auchi, Rezko, Alsammarae. Cellini ert. etc. etc.

Posted by: carolyn | May 21, 2008 10:34:25 PM

My gosh don't give her money to keep this crap going send her somewhere she can get help she needs it.Thhis woman has fliped..................

Posted by: h | May 21, 2008 10:38:52 PM

The MSM has praised Obama so much I want to throw up when I hear his name. When did it become the job of the media news stations to pick our candidates. This nation is in serious trouble. I used to be so mad at Fox for their Republican one sided and unfair practices. Now, MSNBC and CNN are doing the very same thing they do for OBAMA. Now I just don't believe any of them. I read other articles in the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago sun times and the newspapers around the US. Then I research everything and draw my own conclusions.

Posted by: carolyn | May 21, 2008 10:40:48 PM

rd...I agree that McCain should beat Obama. I wish it could be Hillary. I know she would be fair to all and get this economy back into a better place like when Bill was President. S he would never tire of trying I know that. This country is in such bad shape. We need a President that won't back down and will work to get the country where it was before Bush. I think McCain is different from Bush in that he didn't have a personal reason to be in Iraq. I think as soon as he thought it would be possible he would pull the troops out. I think he is a decent man and he will get our vote if Hillary loses. A lot of people I have talked to feel the same way. Lol and we will see what happens. have you read Evelyn Pringles articles Part 1 thru 5 on the trial and Obama's curtain time? It is really great. You can google Evelyn Pringle and start with Part one and go from there. It's great stuff. IO read a lot of it before in the Chicago Tribune but this puts more of it together.

Posted by: carolyn | May 21, 2008 10:51:40 PM

Now if Florida is Like Zimbabwe are Hillary fans gonna start hacking off the limbs of their political opponents with machetes?

Probably.....not. Just more Bee Ess from Hills.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 21, 2008 10:54:08 PM

Omentum...Obama would be crying racist if the DNC wouldn't let his votes count if he had won Florida and Michigan and the AAA (African American Azzh###s) would be threatening to burn down buildings and loot and riot. All encouraged by Obama. Wright, Al Sharpton and the black Panthers that support Obama would be in the lead. Farrakhan would be on their shoulders. All of them screaming for Ayers to set off the bombs and burn down the White House!!!

Posted by: carolyn | May 21, 2008 10:59:24 PM

Ha - Carolyn is a wingnut agitator stirring up trouble. Ain't you babe?

Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 21, 2008 11:01:56 PM

Just going by the way the Obama nut cases have spoken for the last year on all the forums and I'm sick of it. They agitated me first.

Posted by: carolyn | May 21, 2008 11:06:01 PM

BO won all the caucus states but Nevada. IN fact, Hillary have received more votes than BO.

1)caucus turns wins of primary to losses in caucus. Primary is based on one person one vote that caucus isn't.

Take Texas for example, the state with both caucus and primary.

TEXAS PRIMARY
Candidate Votes Vote% P.Deleg
Clinton 1,459,814 51% 65
Obama 1,358,785 47% 61
4 points win of Clinton
A gain of 4 pledged delegates for Clinton

TEXAS CAUCAS
Candidate Votes Vote% P.Deleg
Obama 23,918 56% 38
Clinton 18,620 44% 29
12 points loss of Clinton
A gain of 9 pledged delegates for Obama

2) caucus magnifies winning margin by six times. according to proportionality rule, it gives unfair advantage to BO.

WASHINGTON PRIMARY
Candidate Votes Vote% P.Deleg
Obama 339,166 51%
Clinton 303,151 46%
6 points win for Obama

WASHINGTON CAUCAS
Candidate Votes Vote% P.Deleg
Obama 21,629 68% 59
Clinton 9,992 31% 31
37 points win for Obama

3) Votes per delegate are biased.

Alaska
Candidate Votes Vote% P.Deleg
Obama 6,674 75% 9
Clinton 2,194 25% 4
A win of 4,480 votes
A win of 5 pledged delegates

West Virginia
Candidate Votes Vote% P.Deleg
Clinton 239,298 67% 20
Obama 91,747 26% 8
A win of 147,551 votes
A win of 12 pledged delegates

Try to calculate votes/delegates and you will be surprised.

America is just like the animal farm in George Orwell.
All votes are equal: just some votes are more equal than the others.

I say that with all of those misrepresentation, Hillary is still close that means she in fact receives more votes than BO.

After Rhode Island, BO has been in great slump and been delivered landslide losses. Nominating him is going to be disastrous and shall cost the party the presidency.

Talking about BO's downhill performance, I have collected some famous gaffes from national review, by Michelle Malkin. You can tell how out of touch this BO has become.

Let us count the ways, large and small, that his tongue has betrayed him throughout the campaign:

1.) Last May, he claimed that tornadoes in Kansas killed a whopping 10,000 people: “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” The actual death toll: 12.


2.Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

3.) Last week, in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, S.D., audience, Obama exulted: “Thank you, Sioux City. ... I said it wrong. I’ve been in Iowa for too long. I’m sorry.”

4.) Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?

5.) Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Ala., he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement: “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”

Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was “speaking metaphorically about the civil-rights movement as a whole.”

6.) Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by homing in on a lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.

7.) Over the weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multibillion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear-waste cleanup: “Here’s something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I’m not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don’t know exactly what’s going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you I’ll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport.”

I assume on that ride, a staffer reminded him that he’s voted on at least one defense-authorization bill that addressed the “costs, schedules, and technical issues” dealing with the nation’s most contaminated nuclear-waste site.

8.) Last March, the Chicago Tribune reported this little-noticed nugget about a fake autobiographical detail in Obama’s Dreams from My Father: “Then, there’s the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs don’t exist, say the magazine’s own historians.”

9.)And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us” — cluelessly arguing that “tiny countries” with small defense budgets can’t do us harm — and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, “I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”

Posted by: John_Lai | May 21, 2008 11:07:10 PM

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