The Supers need to do their jobs, this is why they are hired. Get a back bone and stand up for who you think will be our next president. End this crap.

Maybe she can try begging Justice Scalia for a recount using her new math.

I'd say the odds are 5 to 4 that he'd be open to this suggestion.

Rob: What kind of silly state is that? Men have been president's in this country since time. Yes, there are people that won't vote for a candidate who is part black and white but this is their choice to make. Race will always be a part of this country and there is no one who can change it. Not even Obama can. He quotes RFK's words of hope and change but that is just to get elected. The only change he knows is the change in his pocket. No, I would not vote for him. And neither are members of my family or my friends. He is too arrogant and too sure of himself. No experience in legislature, politics and no capabilities to run this country. Now that NC had a tornado let Obama go over there and give them help since they voted for him.

Its unfortunate that everyone percieves Clinton as a monster and wil not listen to her argument. Its a good one and she has a point.What has brought Obama over teh top in the primaries is not what will allow him to survive the general election. The AA vote has worked for him in the primaries beacause they make up such a large percentage of the Democratic party, in the general election this will not help put him over the top, AA's are only 12% of teh general population. To ASSUME that it will be a cakewalk for Obama is crazy, he has lost the support of white americans and his associations make him appear to be far left. McCain is considered too liberal to be a republican - yet he won anyway. Come general election time, people will seek middle ground, and that appears to be McCain.

Its unfortunate that everyone percieves Clinton as a monster and wil not listen to her argument. Its a good one and she has a point.What has brought Obama over teh top in the primaries is not what will allow him to survive the general election. The AA vote has worked for him in the primaries beacause they make up such a large percentage of the Democratic party, in the general election this will not help put him over the top, AA's are only 12% of teh general population. To ASSUME that it will be a cakewalk for Obama is crazy, he has lost the support of white americans and his associations make him appear to be far left. McCain is considered too liberal to be a republican - yet he won anyway. Come general election time, people will seek middle ground, and that appears to be McCain.

What if Clinton drops out now but goes on to defeat Obama in Kentucky and West Virginia? Why will we have to believe the Media on their black propaganda against Clinton. They have been at it since the start. But Hillary has been always proven them wrong! GO HILLARY!

Why should she quit? Panetta and some supers have switched to Obam because they want party unity. This is muddy thinking If the supers start switching to Obama before we see how Obama plays out down the line then we will really have party defections. North Carolina means nothing. Indiana Hillary won. Obama has not done well lately after more was known about his judgemaents. If he loses big from now on then how that be ignored. You know the party has the right to bring in Florida and Michigan and to let the supers look at that. In the early primaries Obama had almost no negatives and now he has lots.

geevill: You are right. He would like he to be VP because for sure the democrats would win but the way the situation is now if he should win the general election, I believe no matter what Hillary says, her voters are going to vote McCain and give him the win. Even the battleground states. Let him go back to the senate where he belongs. And let's hope he doesn't get elected again. He has been nothing but trouble since he campaigned for president. The democrats were never in a mess like this until he announced his run for the presidency. He was the first one to pounce on Hillary and didn't expect to get a pounce back. Obama has the public fooled by quoting the speeches of RFK whose book of speeches he read. He is very arrogant, a liar and a fake. Its most of this generation's college students that are probably on drugs and booze like he used to take and plenty of it. No candidate that ever ran for the office of president had a reputation that and that's why he won in NC and almost in IND. The college's. Those students don't care if he had a long prison record and neither do the blacks. The should shake hands with each other.

AL: It is not unfortunate that everyone perceives Clinton as a monster, she earned that title the hard way. She brought it all on herself.

I just find it curious that Ms Clinton would send a letter to Mr Obama stating that the voters in Florida and Michigan should not be disenfranchised and their votes should count, but at the same time try to convince the Superdelegates to ignore all those who voted for Mr. Obama and place her in the nominee position. If that is fair then why go through the charade and expense of having a primary season? Should they just not pick a nominee in January, save time and money and all gather around that person? I was one who loved Hillary, especially when I thought it would be her against Giuliani. I voted for her against Rick Lazio in 2000. But since the primaries she has shown a side that I am uncomfortable with. She would have probably made a good president but I believe she has lost a lot of prestige in the past few months. I do wish her well though!

Well hillary,

If you have moved the goal posts (or basket for this "one of many" analogy) out to the parking lot, you have no choice but to walk off the court

It is just amazing to me that DEMOCRATS are threatening to vote for McCain if Hillary is not the candidate. She ran the race, threw every single dirty trick she could at Obama -- including lying about shooting and drinking and being "blue collar". Can't everyone see this for the lie that it is? She and Bill made 100 MILLION dollars in the past couple years. Blue collar my ass. The Clintons tried everything they had, and they lost and they have lost dignity and respect and Obama is still poised, intelligent, and a very worthy opponent. I wanted Hillary to win very badly at the beginning of this race. Right up until the day that Bill C. played the race card and a lightning bolt struck me. EIGHT more years of Clinton lies? It just is not good for this country. It is time for Democrats to look at the big picture. McCain is not a maverick, he is a right-wing Republican, who will (as he has said) take away our right of choice, make the Supreme Court even less honorable than it is now, and keep our troops in Iraq for 100 more years. Thank you, Barack for tolerating all this crap, and maintaining your dignity. THAT is why I am voting for OBAMA in 08.

Stay in Hillary. The Mr. feel good candidate will take a beating in the GE.
He's unelectable and the DNC knows it, although they are too afraid to stand up and admit it. They would rather lose the election.

Stay in Hillary!
There are six more primaries to go and Florida and Michigan must be counted to reflect the will of the voters OR we have to have a re vote in July.
IF not--the nominee is not valid.
The Party will be Split.
And expect a Million Hillary March to descend on the Convention in Denver if it seems that the Party Crowned Obama without FL and MI being fully included.

mariann - xlent post. Send all the children of immgrants back to their parent's country of birth. Priceless.

Now here something 4 u. It's from the ecomonist. Enjoy.

"In cartoons there is often a moment when a hapless character, having galloped over a cliff, is still unaware of the fact and hangs suspended in the air, legs pumping wildly, until realisation dawns, gravity intervenes and downfall ensues. Hillary Clinton's campaign looks a bit like that this week. After her heavy loss in North Carolina and her barely perceptible victory in Indiana, a state she needed to carry triumphantly, Mrs Clinton's campaign is surely close to its end."

But then again people who believe in Gravity are probably ELITISTS anyway, ain't they babe.

Obama, the done nothing slacker candidate. He has the full support of the slacker community. 2nd week in office, he'll probably be vacationing in St. Thomas.

I agree with you Mack. Hillary should stay and fight to the end. Just look at the States Obama wins, we know for sure that most of them will go to Republican in November anyway. Obamites are afraid to accept a real result!
One more thing, Obama can not beat McCain without support from Hillary fans!As we can see that a lot of us will not vote for Obama...at all costs!

The feeling that I get when I hear someone say "We Hillary supporters will stay home or vote McCain if Obama wins" is that How dare Mr. Obama follow the rules set by the DNC? and how dare he play the cards that were dealt him? And how dare he win the popular vote? And how dare he have more delegates? And how dare he run a successful campaign and expect to win? How dare he expect us to support someone who did it the way it was set up to do?

Doesn't that seem extreme to suggest that there is only one person who has the right to expect loyalty when both are representing the party we all claim loyalty to?

Abe

Yes it is time to unite. The Fat Lady has sung.

Obama has more SupaDs that Hillary now. And the trend is rising.

The expert political pundits say that once the nominee has been decided, empirical data shows that most voters will fall in line. They believe that Hillary supporters are bluffing. Well, call our bluff then.

Obama supporters, don't call for unity. You guys have attacked Hillary relenlessly since day one, now you expect Hillary supporters to be united under your candidate? HELL NO!

Democratic Party

That revving sound you hear is the GOP smear machine gearing up for Obama. Let's unite. Please...

The sound you hear are millions of centrist Democrats walking away from th eparty. We warned you - we are not bluffing. It's not too late.

Time to face the reality that most Americans are more towards the center, not far left. Far left is not mainstream, no matter what you read on dailykos and huffpo. You think people would have learned their lesson last go around with Kerry. What's the definition of insanity? Geez

Obama??? a real joke of Democrat!no wonder we have too many Republican Presidents!

Mariann

yea I saw hes gonna try to declare himself the nominee on May 20th but we should not stand for that... in NC which doesnt mean squat for the GE I heard accounts of black churches using their church busses to take peopel to vote which is illegal by the FECs standards and anyones standards!

Simply, if you are party loyalists, vote for your party; if you are US citizens, vote for your country!!

The press should go back and review what happened at the 1980 democratic convention. Ted Kennedy - major Obama supporter - challenged Jimmy Carter for the nomination, even though Kennedy was 600 PLEDGED DELEGATES BEHIND! Big difference between 600 and 150 or whatever it will be June 3. Plus the need to count MI and FL. Why should Hillary quit? This is a democratic primary, and allegedly a democratic process, although more and more it appears to be a process run by the boys in Chicago and billionaires controlling world markets. Hillary should stay in and fight for democracy and all the democrats that Donna Brazile wants to purge from the Democratic Party.

The media is SO UNFAIR to Hillary. They need to realize that Hillary WON
Indiana. Obama is expected to win both Indiana and North Carolina since February. But, Hillary won Indiana and cut Obama's lead in North Carolina from 20% in February down to 14% in spite of ad overspending by Obama.

Wake up media people or wake up Obama-Media people. Hillary even won consecutively in Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvannia and now Indiana. Not to mention the other big states such as California, Arkansas, Florida (both not them are in the ballot) that are crucial in November. Hillary has the most electoral college votes based in these big states.

If you want a Democrat to win then Hillary should be the choice. African Americans are so unfair voting 9 to1 against Hillary not like the white people who fair and thinks who is the best candidate. Who is being racial now? This racial thing about Black has been OVERUSED, MISUSED and ABUSED by these people. Obama, the Obama camp, Clyburn, Wright and others can not fool us anymore. Stop this non-sense.

Wake up superdelegates! Wake up media people.

There is nothing to stop Obama to become Dems' nominee now by rule...

So if you are loyalitsts for Dems Party, then vote for your party..

If you are Americans, then vote for United States of Amierica!!!

Yes Hillary should immediately quit since the faux uniter has declared "Mission Accomplished". Unfortunately for him, she's not a quitter. Time to pull the red carpet from under the empty suit.

the truth

I dont know what rules you folow but you may have a problem because hillary controls half of the rules committee dlegates and they will pass something that will prevent Obama from getting the nomination and you will have to live with it

Stan - U up to no good again I see.

What is the deal with Michigan? MI, the DNC and Obama have agreed to a plan to seat the Michigan Delegates.

Hillary is blocking it.

Why does Hillary hate the voters of Michigan? Why does she want to disenfranchise these noble people.

Why all the hate Stanley? Does Hillz really care about Michigan?

Or does Hillary just care about Hillary?

mariann

whatever Omentum says is wrong

staniam,

Don't get me wrong. The rule I meant is the current "stupid" Dems' rule..

Be honest, it will take quite bit of brave people to change the stupid rule to make it sense...

Looks few and few Dems have such a gut to do it!!!

Omentum

Good job with the list. Poor old Stanley, everbody picks on him.

Obama admitted again he is a quitter not a fighter when he said he can't win WV and KY....

The true leader won't ever say "I can't"...

Sorry, cirrect me: did he always claim: "yes, we can" or "yes, we can't"

Very confusing....

In light of Sen. Clinton's recent comments regarding race and gender, I consider them to be political and divisive. They are unwarranted and without merit.If it were true, Clinton would be the nominee, (but she's NOT!) OBAMA leads and will continue to lead in the most states won, popular vote as well as delegate count. At a critical time in our nation's history when the country is at war, our economy is failing we need to come together as a country, as one nation and one people. We need to change our political landscape from the traditional politics of divide and conquer. If not we fail. As gasoline prices continue to sky rocket, and job losses are a high we must move forward as one country, one people in solving the problems of this nation.

mariann
the Obama people are just a little dense they didnt know the history of presidential elections or anything in the constitution for that matter so just ignore them they are trying to get a rise out of us and Mccain to save the country from Obama is a good choice

Keith

no deal Hillary or war within the Democratic party we will get rid of the ultra left wing for good!

Americans won't be united behind a empty suit...

True Americans will vote for their country not for any political party!!

Tennis game? Fine.
There is just ONE thing matters there - The Score.
Leave all your emotions for yourself and put the score into Your calender, so you know - that was lost game.

swifty

its not over and we are gonna fight you till you give up period!

Linda

its not lost I warn you to get off of obamas bandwagon cause its goign to come apart he will not be president

He is a slacker. Can't even write he own speeches(Thank you Deval). He has done nothing to show that he deserves to be President. He has bad judgment and weak character as evidenced by his 20 year support and attendance of a racist church. He is an empty suit that has been propped up by MSM for ratings purposes.

I love all Hillary supporters! They are truly fighters!

Mack

and he cant even eat a waffle in PA boo hoo lol all he thinks he has to do is talk to those robots of his and the press that talks about "chills running up thir legs" while Hillary is being serious about issues

Till we give up? I would gladly vote for Hillary if she won the nomination. I voted for Bill. But I guess as a college educated upper middle class white male I was supposed to vote for Obama.

There is nothing for Obama and his supporters to give up on. Hillary is down on cash, pledged delegates, and superdelegates. That would be the case even if those rebel states of MI and FL counted.

Obama in 08

commander guy

we'll be the one laughign when Obama heads back to the senate in 2009 or will he if hes not elected lol

Hey Omentum loser, Hillary did ask for a debate with BO in Oregon but he hasn't responded. Wonder why? Because he sucks and doesn't want to look like a fool again.

swifty

you incredibly lower IQ human being Hillary was not beign racist when she talked about Obama gettign a 92 percent black vote in NCand she winnign the whites and women overwhelmingly those are facts in pretty much every contest plese go away if you cant even get basic stuff right

Staniam,

I was referring to Obama's statistics. He typically does well with White college educated voters and younger voters and African Americans. Apparently you didn't look at the demographics of Obama.

swifty

Im college educated upper middle class and I voted for Clinton Obama has lower middle class non college educated as well its the lower income blacks so thats disingenous

Yes,
We will join the fight with Hillary supporters. We had a very large group of AsianAmericans gone out to vote for Hillary already. We will continue to stand behind her to the bitter end.

Obama

we arent racist just supporting the most qualified candidate

True Truth,
Yes, It amuses me to hear that silly thing too. Talk about degree and low income go for Hillary...how about the percent of Blacks voted for Obama??? what kind of degree they have and how much income they make???? Ha ha the real thing is...please answer for me anyone???

swifty

the media is already calling it when its not over if after the last primary Obama is way ahead its over if hes ahead by 100 pledged delegates thats nothing because by law they are only required to vote for their pledged candidate once then can be released

Stanley

A babyboomer lecture to da Youts about personal responsibility is the last thing I need hear.

And dood I've heard of this john adams. He was the guy who was always DEAD certain that he was the SMARTEST guy in da room by FAR.

He had no doubt about his superior intellect even when he was chillin with Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, and Franklin.

Kinda reminds me of someone on this Board......STANLEY.

gotta run for now.

Losing must suck.

true truth

that is what Hillary said in her victory speech in PA... about being near Founders Hall and what they tried to do in John Adams time..that was probably totally lost on the Obamabots but they probably didnt even watch it

staniam and truth

TRUE PATRIOTS.

please don't abandon the ship ... even if the ship is call the titanic

People this has been great fun, even with Stan. I look forward to chatting the future. Alas, I have to get back to work.

Omentum,

I respect your choice, your belief! You have every right to claim it.

However, truth will be truth. if Obama is a true leader he will be elected!

However, a lot of people don't think that way..

If you truly believe what you believe in, then fight for Obama till the end...

Americans never quit!!

Any reason why we should unite to prop up an inexperienced candidate who could damage our country like the newbie, Bush? At least Bush didn't have the likes of Wright and Ayers. We are Americans first and democrats second. If the Democratic party wants to support a candidate like Obama, I would rather be a Republican!

I understand some Chicago corruption news is about to come out on Obama.

I'm sticking with Clinton.

Julie,

Americans never quit!!

BTW, if you are American, then vote for your country -United state of America, Not any political party!!

There is just too much on the line this year.

You know it I know it. So lets rally behind Obama turn this counrt around.

Omentum don't start writing History. I would love to see Obama become history and will look forward to him being swift boated in the GE.

Omentum,

The same question to you: why is Obama perceived as "empty suit"??

Do you believe in media or your own heart?

I agree, Hillary should not accept the Veep position if she was offered it. It will be disastrous for her reputation and Obama will just pass the blame and throw her under the bus.

True truth,

Never saw the empty suit polling.... sound like somebody bitter clinging to caricatures. Come on ... silly season has to end some day.

I believe in my heart.... That why I am here trying to get you to snap out it.

It will be a sad day for America when a socialist/Marxist person occupies the White House. If Senator Clinton is not on the ballot, I will vote for McCain. I don't know ONE person who is an Obama supporter. Even my 3 college educated children changed their voting preferences.

Mary

Obama is no Marxist. John McCain personally knew Karl Marx, and he would tell you.... Obama is no Marxist

Why would or should she quit now?

She is on the verge of a LANDSLIDE victory in WV on Tuesday. And then another LANDSLIDE victory in KY the following week.

Her winning margins are predicted to be the biggest of the primary campaign.

And no Democrat since the early 1900s has won the White House without winning WV in the geberal election.

And Obama cannot win WV in the general election - or PA, FL, OH, etc.

The press and Obama are the only people calling this primary over. I have never, nor has my community ever heard of anything more ridiculous or absurd.

I am from a community of older white Americans. I am 58 years old and am very concerned about the bias shown by Obama supporters and the media against Senator Clinton. The questions most asked by my community is, how do the Democrats expect to win this election without the white middle class vote, white men and women and the older voter?

Senator Osama is embarrassing them as their candidate. He doesn’t represent their values in his church or past relationships with his pastor. Not do they enjoy watching his condescending attitudes to the middle class of Americans. This elitist attitude pales in comparison to his beliefs

We need to continue voting. It was less than two weeks ago that Reverend Wright was in the forefront. The total repercussions of that issue have not been felt to this point.

By rushing to the decision that NC was the key state to determine his elect ability is absurd. According to CNN’s Mr. Schneider, people that voted for Obama in both states, eighty percent voted on an absentee ballots two weeks before the primary date. Those people never even experienced the media frenzy on Reverend Wright.

Fifty percent or more of voters that voted in NC were African Americans. Where are the Latino votes, the white voters and the middle American votes in that state? Indiana is a bordering state of Illinois, Obama’s home state. He should have had a land slide win there. He “couldn’t close the deal”.

Please do not make any decision before the primaries are over. Senator Obama has still many questions to answer. There is no wonder his supporters want this to end. He has not been vetted as yet. Many Democrats, want this race to continue to learn more about the nominee.

My community feels that there should be no rush in your decision on ending this race before people finish voting. It amounts to the order of votes. If Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, California, NY, NJ and Michigan were the first states to vote, Obama would never be in this race.

Lastly, the American people have found out many things about Senator Obama that they never new a few months ago: Wright, Rezko, Trinity United Church of Christ, Elitist Comments are only issues from the last few months. If people knew about Obama what they know now, many would have voted differently.

Obama is still being vetted. He will not debate with Senator Clinton. He will not allow Michigan and Florida to have a revote and Americans in my community do not like this whatsoever.

Omentum,

Let me tell you what I believe:

I believe and am convinced Obama is the least quified person to be president of United States based on what he has said, what he has done and accomplished and personality he is showing!!!

I believe my own judgment and my heart feeling and the values as a human being..

Last thing: I don't believe POLL!

ch

come on ... come on...

If these was Cali or NY like states you would have a point.

She is going to net the number of superdelegates obama is going to get between now and tuesday... back at square one....

ITS OVER accept it EMBRACE IT. BECOME ONE WITH IT.

Again, what do we owe Obama or the democratic party? Zip, Nada. We owe America a president who will be able to lead and not some candidate who has nothing to show on his resume except that he has the ability to talk change! Americans believed in fluff over Gore in 2000 -- I would be very surprised if we have not learned our lesson.

Omentum,

One more thing: if you are a true fighter, then never call your rival to quit!! You just insulted the fundmental value as an American: Americans never quit!!

True Truth

Lets not look at polls okayyy.. Lets look at reality.

lead in delegates by 165
lead in states won x2
lead in popular vote by 1.2 mil w/FL
NOW lead in superdelegates

I envy you Truth ... me and 50 million other people just got duped. How could that happen.

Omentum,

The fact is the fact: Obama is leading by RULE - no doubt about it..

So what is your arguement?

lead by rule ... what are you talking about....

Omentum,

Don't you know Obama is leading because of Dems' primary rule??

The problem with sports metaphors is that the people using them are not atheletes.

The Clinton campaign manager said 'would you walk off the field during the super bowl?

The stupid thing about these metaphors is that they are conceptually flawed.

In football and baseball, as long as you keep making first downs or keep putting batters in play, you have a chance to gain points and thus could conceivable come from behind and overtake an opponent who is leading, although in football there is a time limit.

But in a political race such as the Democratic Primary, the possible points are finite. There is no potentially endless source of votes or delegates.

In match play golf, however, the number of points (holes won) is fixed. This means an analogy could be properly drawn between politics and match play golf.

When a golfer has a lead of, say, three with only two holes left in the match, the golfer with the fewer holes is called "dormy." Dormy means that you can not win the match even though there are still a few holes left.

The proper sports analogy for Hillary's situation is Dormy.

Hillary, you are dormy. It is time to turn in your clubs.

aaahem... so you shouldnt go by the rules

Omentum - I think you're missing the point, and going for the easy shot. Not all of the divide is because of race, pure and simple. There's people who diagree w/some of his issue stances, there's people who question his experience/ability, there's people who question his character. A significant portion of those people are swing voters / Reagan Democrats / because of the intersection of those 3 things.

Obama needs to overcome that - or have one helluva voter registration drive.

Of course I will vote for Obama if he is the nominee. I don't want the guilt of thousands of more deaths in a war that should not have been fought, losses of personal freedoms with a conservative Supreme Court, the continued decline in job market and other economic areas, watching our environment suffer, our schools continue to decline, etc., etc., etc.,
No I won't cut off my nose to spite my face. I may hold my nose while I cast my vote for Obama but cast my vote for him I will. My conscious will be clear. My fellow Democrats(?) I can't believe that you can honestly say that you would vote for 4 more years of Bush like policies.

I don't believe that Hillary wants this either. She has given it her all and IF that isn't enough, then so be it. I will applaud her efforts. I must consider the future of my children. I must also consider the example I set for my children to follow. They will have many battles to face in their future. I will show them that if you lose a few you pick yourself up and continue. I will tell them what you SHOULDN"T do is punish all those around you because you lost.

Just my 2 cents.