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Clinton Wins Ky; Obama Wins Oregon: What's Next?
May 21, 2008 7:31 AM
ABC News' David Chalian Reports: Despite a second overwhelming Kentucky victory in as many weeks and a sizeable loss in Oregon, Sen. Hillary Clinton's, D-N.Y., faces daunting math against Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for the Democratic nomination.
In the total universe of delegates, there are 311 outstanding: 217 of those are as of yet uncommitted superdelegates, 94 are thus far unallocated pledged delegates from last night's contest in OR and the upcoming three contests in Puerto Rico, South Dakota, and Montana.
Clinton needs 84 percent of all the remaining delegates -- pledged and superdelegates -- to hit the magic number of 2026.
Obama needs only 23 percent of all the remaining delegates to hit the magic number of 2026 -- "within reach," indeed.
Thus far, Clinton has netted 154,778 popular votes for the evening. But only 88 percent of precincts have currently reported in Oregon. There is more vote to count there and likely more opportunity for Obama to make up some of that popular vote ground.
Not counting the rogue contests in Florida and Michigan, Clinton is -- as of this writing -- trailing Obama in ABC News' national popular vote count by 424,724 votes. [If you include Florida, where both candidates were on the ballot, Clinton would still be trailing Obama. When you add in Michigan (where Obama removed his name from the ballot), Clinton would be roughly 200,000 votes ahead of Obama in the current count.]
In addition to hoping for some huge intervening event that would upend the current trajectory of the contest, Clinton and her campaign are also hoping to push the magic number needed to secure the nomination a bit further from Obama's reach by arguing for the inclusion of Michigan and Florida in the delegate count.
Should the DNC rules and bylaws committee emerge from its May 31 meeting in Washington, DC with some way to include the Florida and Michigan delegations as part of the nomination process, it is likely that the magic number would become greater than 2,026.
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I feel such loss for the women in America who struggled so hard for her as they wanted to see the cause advance. I personally felt that she abused and continues to abuse them with all this sexism crap.
I don't feel she is acknowledging the fact that it's not because she's a woman that America is holding her back.
It's because she's a poor choice for the position.
Posted by: DAVID NH | May 21, 2008 8:07:41 AM
Any other Democratic candidate would resign but not Hillary. There is nothing to be gained by proclaiming dumb uneducated white voters will not vote for a black candidate.
Posted by: David Jones | May 21, 2008 8:10:04 AM
90% blacks have voted for Obama... does that make them racists? What if 90% whites have voted for a white candidate against a black candidate?
Posted by: Trevor | May 21, 2008 8:25:16 AM
People, please, please, let's reserve such feelings for the real problem, that being McBush, or Bush the Third. He is the one we absolutely must beat in the fall and tearing each other up at this point will only help him win.
Posted by: pumpkinman | May 21, 2008 8:25:55 AM
is this the type of tactics women want to say they used to win a nomination...
most don't.
Posted by: dl | May 21, 2008 8:28:29 AM
Hillary - the Democratic candidate who got the most popular votes (from Republicans) of all Dems who ever ran for candidacy. Huzzah for Hil.
Posted by: Veronica Mars | May 21, 2008 8:28:46 AM
Go home Madam. You are not Mrs.Thatcher, or Indira Ghandi or Golda Meir. Political ambition does not equate with capability. One hopes that the American public is not subjected to you or your naked desire for power.
Posted by: David Eve | May 21, 2008 8:29:43 AM
The democratic primary continues because in fact despite the mathematics and dogma, the "people" in all our great states have not yet spoken. It would have been easy for Hillary Clinton to roll over for McCain and Obama and allow the peeing contest to begin, however she's been listening to the voters and their personal problems with this country and the current administration. Hillary Clinton has awakened a lot of us about how crooked the elections really are and what fuels her gas tank to drive to the very end of this process, has been just pure bravery. I must add also that the ballots for the delegates decision on June 3rd are "secret ballots" which gives them the chance to vote for who they truly think can defeat the republican party in November.
I continue to support Hillary all the way! Denise from Philly
Posted by: Denise Katz | May 21, 2008 8:30:03 AM
truth is: obama cannot reach the magic number. hillary cannot reach the magic number. even if you discard FL and MI (which you should not!) the magic number is 2026 PLEDGED delegates.
to put the superdelagates together with the pledged delegates is just FRAUD!
these people have been moving around from one camp to another for months now.
superdelegates CANNOT pledge and CANNOT vote until the convention.
so, STOP THE CRAPPY "MATH"!
obama has 1639 pledged delegates ONLY. hillary has 1502 ONLY.
to win the race a candidate needs 2026!!
neither obama nor hillary can reach that number by the time this round of popular voting is over.
LET THE PROCESS RUN ITS COURSE!
the democratic process is very well defined: when none of the candidates wins the necessary votes, the next step is that each one of them makes his/her case at the convention!
DEMAND THE MEDIA TELLS THE TRUTH!
Posted by: Average Joe | May 21, 2008 8:33:23 AM
Message to Mrs. Clinton
I apologize in advance if this is going to make Obama supporters angry and tear apart wisdoms of political pundits in America. Mrs. Clinton, your strong showing in West Virginia and Kentucky, and in large states like NY, OH, and PA means that millions of Americans will like to see you as the President. Please be there on the ballot in November 2008 – either as a democrat nominee or as an independent.
It is OK if many do not like you. In a three-way race, Obama, McCain and you, one does not need majority. Any candidate with 35-40% will get elected. And it will not be necessarily McCain, as most will think. Joe Lieberman won when he ran independent in spite of losing democratic primary. Party designations are only a tool to be on the ballot. People vote for the candidates. It is not uncommon in many countries to see candidates changing parties or forming new ones when there is popular support. Please do not worry about things like Clinton legacy and so on. That is mostly irrelevant. On behalf of millions of your supporters, I urge you to serve our country by running as independent. Let American people (and not some political pundits/ opinionated columnists) decide in November.
WSJ blog, thank you for the opportunity.
Posted by: neil1785 | May 21, 2008 8:34:16 AM
Denise... yeah, elections are crooked. People get to vote for the candidate, and Hillary is not winning? It's plain disgusting. Let's change the rules...
Posted by: Veronica Mars | May 21, 2008 8:34:21 AM
Clinton's campaign is $30 Million in the hole. Only 11 Million of that is to Hillary herself. Hillary is willing to step on the backs of small business for an astronomically small chance that she will be the next president. I think that people to whom she owes money should go after her personal assets, rather than have her hide behind the corporate veil.
Posted by: Mirza | May 21, 2008 8:38:23 AM
More people voted for Clinton than obama or anyone else. That is a fact.
Posted by: geevill | May 21, 2008 8:39:25 AM
Over 17million voters have cast support for Hillary....a MAJOR feat considering ALL of the hills she has had to climb. I know I will be attacked by Obama supporters, but I really don't care. I, like them, have EVERY right to support Mrs. Clinton because she IS the best candidate to run the country. Hillary 08!
Posted by: david from texas | May 21, 2008 8:44:44 AM
In the beginning every one thought Hillary is going to win the primary. Obama proved that they are wrong. This is going to happen in general election. He is going to win comfortably.
Some people say Obama is black. Unfortunately they are ignorant. He is neither black nor white. He is a super human.
Posted by: robinson | May 21, 2008 9:00:30 AM
Today's math questions: Which candidate is leading Sen. Clinton by 26% among Democrats nationwide? Which candidate is leading Sen. McCain (with or without all Clinton voters) by 8%? Which candidate has as of this morning $31 million in debt?
Posted by: Eugene | May 21, 2008 9:05:49 AM
My mind changed last night as I was listening to Clinton and Obama's speeches. I saw in Clinton, a candidate with the utmost passion for the American voter.....she was polished, heartfelt, and brilliant in her speech. Obama, I got the feeling he was not being truthful, that he wants the Presidency, but he didn't seem to have the passion as Hillary does. My wife, who is an Obama supporter, first commented on how "fake" his speech seemed, that he wasn't sincere. When Hillary spoke, her eyes welled up with tears. She decided that she will vote for Hillary, as well as I will. If Hillary doesn't win the nomination, we both will vote for McCain. If Hillary were to run as an Independent, she would get our vote. I see this trend continuing as of last night....Obama was not sincere, does not have the passion, drive, or desire. His promises are falling on deaf ears because there is no substance to them. He is a good man, but, he's not Presidential.
Posted by: david from texas | May 21, 2008 9:44:17 AM
Hillary lost me when I started keeping track of the candidates stated stances on issues. I noted that she's been on every side of most issues, with her latest position focused on whomever she my be addressing. She ran a very poor campaign, supported then dumped various rules/positions/constituents etc, mismanaged her money and her initial lead. Now she's playing the racism and sexism card. Carl Rove has nothing on her. She felt anointed and is desperately seeking a magic bullet to use against Obama, regardless of who she may hurt when she shoots it. I have lost all respect for her because she is showing that she only really cares about her own ambitions. Good Riddance
Posted by: Bendare Dondat | May 21, 2008 9:45:07 AM
I remember who voted to declare WAR on Iraq, and who said she'd Obliterate Iran, those are not things that are I want to vote for. Obama did not vote for the egregious war, nor does he want to obliterate Iran.
Those are the reasons I choose to vote for Obama.
Posted by: Charlotte | May 21, 2008 9:45:54 AM
Senator Obama will be the nominee because most of the media love him and have not scrutinized him carefully. But wait until November. If the very junior senator from Illinois cannot carry Democrats and independents in Pennsylvania, W. Virginia, Kentucky, etc. even though he has been declared the victor by party leaders and the media, then his campaign is in trouble.
Posted by: graniteman | May 21, 2008 9:57:03 AM
Charlotte,
Yes, Senator Clinton had the good sense to say that she would retaliate if Iran attacked our ally, Israel, with nuclear weapons. That's called deterrence: If you make it clear to an enemy that you are willing to use force if they cross the line, then peace is MORE likely. Senator Obama's blather about having tea with the Iranian mullahs, Raul Castro, Hugo Chavez and other thugs is making conflict MORE likely. Too bad that Hillary won't be the nominee. I would have voted for her. Now I will probably vote for John McCain. He's not perfect but he would be a better president than the very junior senator from Chicago.
Posted by: graniteman | May 21, 2008 10:03:25 AM
How does the Democratic Party select its nominee? The same way it always has i.e. Delegates. This year the magic number 2026. What rules were in place and agreed to by all candidates when this process started?
So whatever they(agreed upon rules) were, those are the rules this year, SO 2026 DELEGATES ARE THE ONLY METRIC. You can't change the rules while the game is being played unless you're a cheat
Posted by: Bendare Dondat | May 21, 2008 10:05:14 AM
Obama is too far left and too inexperienced... McCain is too far right and too old... Hillary is not to far left and not too far right...Hillary is just right and just as right....
Posted by: joll1586 | May 21, 2008 10:09:36 AM
If all those Democrats who claim that Obama is unelectable voted for him, he'd be elected.
Posted by: captain | May 21, 2008 10:13:32 AM
Ellie,
I support Obama, but I will support whomever wins this election fair and square. I am voting for Democratic Ideals. The Party is about helping one another, that everyone gets a shot at the American Dream, not just the Uber Rich or connected like the Republicans. If you fall into those two categories, then vote Repub.
But my family is not rich or connected. We are middle class and are struggling. I don't know what we'll do if things get worse.
I'm voting for Universal Health Care, which I believe is a basic human right.
I'm voting for the rich to pay their fair share and stop living off the middle class and the poor.
I'm voting to have Corporations in this country keep American jobs in AMERICA and not be rewarded for shipping our jobs overseas.
We live in MI, my husband works in the auto industry, I cannot tell you in strong enough terms what NAFTA has done to my state and our jobs.
Ellie, I am not againt HRC, not in the least bit. I am for a quality of life that can be sustained for all Americans.
Posted by: Really? | May 21, 2008 10:14:13 AM
Ellie,
It's not NAFTA that has cut jobs in the Michigan auto industry. It's automation and construction of new auto plants in the southern states of the U.S. Our trade deficit with Canada and Mexico is because we import so much oil and natural gas from them, not cars.
Posted by: graniteman | May 21, 2008 10:17:34 AM
Yavo Lem,
The one thing you don't take into account is that this is the FIRST TIME we have had an African American running as President.
Take all your maps and projections and throw them out the window. This is a new world and it's uncharted.
Your figures are so yestarday and this is 2008. I'm sure the Super Delegates are aware of this too.
Posted by: Really? | May 21, 2008 10:18:32 AM
EXCELLENT POST, Yavo Lem !
Posted by: david from texas | May 21, 2008 10:26:22 AM
I look for the HEAT to be on Obama now by the GOP. They have tapes of Michelle Obama trashing America; they have proof of Obama's shady deals and flip-flopping. I see the GOP saturating the media now with this information. A lot of Obama supporters fail to realize that the media is owned and run by the GOP. The GOP wanted the weaker candidate, Obama to be the nominee. Now, that the DNC has played right into their hands, the war is on. I think the GOP will rip Obama and Michelle to shreads and this will make the SuperD's take notice and recant their endorsement. As was posted earlier, the SuperD's can change their minds at any time, and are only to cast their votes that count at the Convention. I look for surprises at this years Convention.
Posted by: david from texas | May 21, 2008 10:31:37 AM
David,
Yes, the TV networks and newspapers are owned by wealthy people. But many of the media outlets are staffed by journalists and broadcasters with liberal views. The NY Times is a good example of that. And the Wall Street Journal has moved towards the political center since Rupert Murdoch bought the paper. He's conservative but he also wants to seel more copies of the WSJ. Of the major media, only Fox News has looked critically at Senator Obama. That's why the GOP has an opportunity to expose his past and his beliefs during the fall campaign.
Posted by: graniteman | May 21, 2008 10:41:25 AM
If Florida delegates were counted at their full value, Clinton would have won 105 delegates to Obama’s 67 and Edwards’ 13. In Michigan, Clinton would have 73 pledged delegates compared to 55 who were uncommitted and would likely be given to Obama. The nominee would then need 2,209 delegates to win the nomination.
Lets hope the May 31st DNC meeting is fair and unbiased!
Posted by: david from texas | May 21, 2008 11:04:45 AM
Can anyone tell me who is really in charge of the Democrat party? I know it can't be Dean, Pelosi, or Reid. Thanks!
Posted by: lois | May 21, 2008 11:35:53 AM
To Avreage Joe-----
You need to do your homework prior to just spouting off about fraud !!!!! Theare are a total of 3253 "pledged delegates" available----- half of this plus one is 1627. So, I'm really not sure what you are screaming "fraud" about!!!! I guess your just pissed off because your choice of candiate has lost!!!!
Posted by: aj2 | May 21, 2008 11:41:02 AM
Hillary has only herself to blame for losing. And yes she has lost. Spin it how you may. She ran a poor campaign which is an indicator of how she would run this country.
Posted by: d | May 21, 2008 11:41:36 AM
Yavo...You HRC people are so jealous of the crowds Obama gets. It is really sad...we new voters have a voice also...and that is GO OBAMA...
Posted by: newera | May 21, 2008 11:42:04 AM
David for texas,
Are REALLY supposed to believe that a little known (except to my teenagers) rock band could ever gather a crowd of 72,000?? That is more than the Rolling Stones or U2? Why did they all stay then? A screeching leader singer and sunshine can't convince 72,000 to stick around.
Posted by: Really? | May 21, 2008 11:49:15 AM
Add up all the votes from the 2 primaries last night, and who came out on top? You're damm right she did!
Posted by: Mack | May 21, 2008 11:50:34 AM
Mack too little too late! Besides obama has mt and sd wrapped up!
Posted by: Joe | May 21, 2008 11:52:39 AM
Do hear a landslide coming???....Puerto Rico!
Posted by: Mack | May 21, 2008 11:54:27 AM
This is not about race or sex. It's about who America believes is the most qualified person. Hillary has tried to use every card in the deck and has been behind virtually from the first primary. MI and FL can not and should not count. Obama was not even on the ballot in MI. How in anyone’s world could that count? We don’t trust Hillary because she is using the same old spin tactics with numbers that’s been used in Washington forever. Its time for honesty in Washington. She simply is not honest and America knows it. And by the way, I am "white" and make less than 50k a year and without a degree. Obama’s supporters are not all black the vast majority are white, “working class” AND the educated. Obama’s supporters cross ALL lines and THAT is why he’s winning.
Posted by: Dan | May 21, 2008 11:54:53 AM
Hillary and her people struggle with simple math... probably why her campaign is over $20 million in debt (you think she can run the economics of this country while she can't even run her own campaign money?)
Simple math people.... Obama is winning everything, including Popular Vote. No matter what kind of stuff you Hillary people want to make up, SHE IS NOT WINNING the popular vote. I am sick of this argument.
Obama is the candidate. If you want to ruin the country for another 4 years, then go ahead and vote for 4 more years of Bush policies and don't complain about $5.00 gas and tax cuts for the wealthy while the middle class is stuck in poverty.
Posted by: BK | May 21, 2008 11:55:09 AM
If Florida and Michigan are not counted, this will infuriate Clinton supporters and cause an even larger divide in the Democratic Party. In order for the Democrats to even have a pretense of "unity", Florida and Michigan will have to be counted, or you will see millions of Clinton supporters crossing over to McCain (even though they don't like him), but this will keep Obama from winning the GE.
Posted by: david from texas | May 21, 2008 11:55:55 AM
Go Hillary.........keep the fight alive.
Posted by: ms | May 21, 2008 11:57:25 AM
Don't forget, Hillary Supporters, to check out your local voting rules on writing in candidates on the ballot in the general election - and WRITE IN HILLARY CLINTON FOR POTUS. You DON'T have to take this nonsense from the democrat party nor the media suck-ups. OBAMANATION is an Abomination - I am so happy to see the groundswell for Hillary! So don't forget about the option to write in your favorite candidate on the ballot in the general election - HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON! She cares about you, the voters.
Posted by: Wendy4Decency | May 21, 2008 11:57:29 AM
ABC NBC keep on counting you are not going to get hillary out of her troubles, i thought that this race was about delegates like hillary said after new hampshire, now you are searching for anyway for hillary to claim that she can still come out as the winner, just sad, sad sad thats all i can say
Posted by: bozy | May 21, 2008 12:01:50 PM
The Democratic party has been fractured beyond repair(for this election anyway).
The moderate Democrats are rejecting the radical left wing candidate that the media and the DNC have propped up for your viewing pleasure.
Posted by: Mack | May 21, 2008 12:03:57 PM
As an Obama supporter, I would like to say that I respect Hillary, and I think she fought a tough battle and deserves a lot of respect.
That being said, I am quickly losing respect for a lot of Hillary's supporters, and some of Obama's supporters as well. The school yard insults that are being flung about on this page are truly disturbing. Even more so when you consider that most of the charges made here are based SOLELY on an individuals highly personal and biased perception of the opposing candidate.
As a result, many of Hillary's supporters sound like sore losers, and many of Obama's supporters sound like arrogant winners. Just stop it people! Are you still in 4th grade!?!
The truth is that this race can and will continue until either candidate has achieved the 2025 delegate mark (unless they figure out a way to seat Florida and Michigan, which I think they eventually will). Obama's team has made it clear they will not ask Hillary to quit (because they have a lot of respect for her as an opponent, despite what many of the Hillary supporters want to believe). Ending her campaign, if it comes to that, is a decision she will have to make when the time is right for her. Until then, the political pundits will say what they will, and yes, there will be those that call on Hillary to quit because Barack's lead at this point may be insurmountable.
But Hillary should be allowed to run as long as she deems necessary. In fact, if she decides to run as an independent, that would be fine as well. The continuing epic battle between Barack and Hillary would be an historic fight, and poor old McCain would end up being completely marginalized as a result.
On the other hand, what if Barack does end up reaching the 2025 delegate mark, and Hillary decides to end her campaign? If it comes to this, I have a strong feeling that, because she is a classy and respectable person, she will throw her support behind Obama and then request that her supporters also support Barack.
So, to all of the Obama "haters" out there, if it comes to that, what will you do? Will you continue to be a sore loser and vote for McCain, despite the fact that it is the worst thing you could do for this country at this time? Despite the fact that Obama won, not because of racism, or sexism, but because he is a strong candidate who won fairly by running a better organized campaign than his strong and formidable opponent? Possibly even despite the fact that your own candidate will in all likelyhood ask you to support him?
Can we afford, as a country, to risk another Bush light administration under John McCain simply because of a bunch of bruised egos?
Posted by: Geekmoid | May 21, 2008 12:05:33 PM
Bush, Clinton, Bush...Clinton again? You gotta' be kidding me! George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are probably rolling over in their graves over that foolishness!
Posted by: Akinyele | May 21, 2008 12:06:06 PM
EXCELLENT POST, YAVO LEM! There are many, MANY Hillary supporters and Independents that feel the way you do. I see a LOT of voters getting on board to keep Obama out of the White House! I can't wait to see the MUD the GOP has on him and are just licking their chops to release to the media. Also, if you've noticed, it seems the media is ALREADY turning on Obama when it comes to the GOP. I LOVE IT!
Posted by: david from texas | May 21, 2008 12:08:25 PM
It is Hillary's job to unite her supporters behind Obama. If he does not win the GE it will be because of the unnecessary prolonged process due to Hillary's unwillingness to admit she lost and due to her campaign tactics. The math was close to impossible for her months ago and she decided to attempt to destroy Obama instead of unite the party for the betterment of America. This was a very poor decision on her part that is only another indication of her decision making process. Had she not gone down the path of destruction she may have maintained credibility and most likely would have been a strong candidate for VP. I would have voted for the “dream ticket” however now I don’t know if I can vote for her on any ticket. She considers Hillary's wants and only what Hillary wants which could be difficult for Obama to work with in the White House. Obama will not let the VP control his decisions like Bush has let Cheney.
Posted by: Dan | May 21, 2008 12:08:33 PM
Dear Yavo Lem & Graniteman,
It's going to be a long four years for you. I suggest you put a flag lapel pin on and just grin and bear it.
If you have a problem with it, go back to the country of your ancestors. THIS IS AMERICA! Love it or leave it!
Posted by: Akinyele | May 21, 2008 12:10:12 PM
Why we don't vote for hillary:
1.Shes a lair
2She has no experiance but her husband does
3. She wants to obliterate a whole culture
4. Her heath care plan is BS
5. More of the same politics
6. Some of us belive she only cares about herself and her quest for power
7. She used to defend radicals
8. Shes two faced
9. Likes to take money from shady people too
10. She is a true elitist by every definition of the word
See i got a list too.
Posted by: Joe | May 21, 2008 12:10:24 PM
Clinton is unable to put the party or the nation before herself, so it's appropriate that she will not win the presidency. I'm relieved.
Posted by: Lynne | May 21, 2008 12:10:30 PM
My God!
There is so much hate and misery in all
these people
Posted by: Nick | May 21, 2008 12:10:47 PM
Mike Huckabee on Rev. Jeremiah Wright, March 19, 2008
"And one other thing I think we've got to remember: As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say, "That's a terrible statement," I grew up in a very segregated South, and I think that you have to cut some slack. And I'm going to be probably the only conservative in America who's going to say something like this, but I'm just telling you: We've got to cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told, "You have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can't sit out there with everyone else. There's a separate waiting room in the doctor's office. Here's where you sit on the bus." And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had a more, more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me." - Mike Huckabee
"History is not false"
Posted by: Akinyele | May 21, 2008 12:12:29 PM
Sen. Clinton has handled herself with grace and class without being condescening to voters. She has proven both how tough and how intelligent she is. I also urge her to run as an independent. Otherwise I will vote for a Republican (gag!) for the first time in my life. If the DNC blunders and nominates this far-left, theory-only, bitter candidate, I will consider myself a newly minted Independent. And what the heck is Obama doing in Florida? He didn't want to count our votes in January, but he does in Nov...? Dude, you already lost Florida!
Posted by: FlaDemVoter | May 21, 2008 12:12:48 PM
Hillary most likely will ask her supporters to back Obama, but we know this is not what is in her heart. She fought hard for this nomination, against a corrupt DNC, media, and SuperDelegates. She knows she has the passion of each of her supporters backing her and WE WILL NEVER recant our support of her and vote for her rival Obama. Sorry, it will be another 4 years of GOP rule. Blame this on the DNC, news media, and Obama himself!
Posted by: david from texas | May 21, 2008 12:14:54 PM
hillary is bad for the democratic party - and bad for woman. just because she "works hard" doesn't mean she is entitled to the office of the presidency of the united states - as it seems is her only arguemnet. there is a democratic process - to which she is a part of. and she is not the choice of that process.
and even more imortantly, just because hillary clinton does not achieve her goal after "working hard" is not proof that the process is sexist or corrupt - as she wants you to believe. this is classic clinton - if you lose - someone must be cheating or unenlightened (classic democratic logic).
don't forget - this is the same women who called the lewinsky scandel a "right wing conspiracy."
now that she is not going to be the apparent democratic candidate - so she reaches into her bag of tricks and pulls out a new conspiracy theory - this time it is due to a male conspiracy.
so - she has now accused all republicans, and all males, and all blacks of being part of the conspiracy against her. it seems that in time - if you aren't on that list - you will be - at least by past performance.
hillary - you need to go because america is tired of your logic and your baseless prejudiced point of view.
america does not want a president who when the chips are down, and the facts are not in their favor, blames everyone around them - instead of listening and dealing with those facts - and leading. crying (literally) and complaining about losing and making false allegations to cover up your short comings of achieving your personal goal is not appealing - and especially not appealing for the presidential of the united states. and that is why in the end you are not the candidate.
maybe the process is not sexist, or corrupt, or racist - maybe - just maybe it is fair - and you are wrong. and you lost fair and square. too much for you to consider - i know. you are tired. go home and cry and think of someone else to blame.
goodbye hillary.
Posted by: criminysakes | May 21, 2008 12:15:40 PM
Dem math???? The dems pick a canidate just like thay would run the country, chaois and confusion. Republicans pick their canidate and go on about business. What a joke.
Posted by: Billy Bob | May 21, 2008 12:15:52 PM
No way McCain will win. Hillary supporters may vote for him but republicans will cross party lines to vote for the dem. Most of this country is sick and tired of the republicans being in charge.
Posted by: lisa | May 21, 2008 12:16:46 PM
Go vote for Mccain then and maybe you can get your woman in in 2012 but I tell you this I will never vote for her in my life. you shouldn't hate the player you should hate the game. You guys are like a bunch of spoiled 4 year olds! She has insulted my canadate and me on several occasions!
Posted by: Joe | May 21, 2008 12:18:04 PM
Whether John McCain or Barack Obama is elected president in November 2008, this will still be America.
If you have a problem with this country, LOVE IT or LEAVE IT! Don't let the door hit you or your way out.
Posted by: Akinyele | May 21, 2008 12:18:31 PM
FlaDemVoter .....Obama in Florida...its called "sucking up" for votes....LOL ! Good post....remind ALL the Floridians that this guy is still the one who wanted to count them out in the primaries....he doesn't deserve your vote.....I like your idea of Hillary as an Independent.......if she's not, here's another vote for McCain!
Posted by: david from texas | May 21, 2008 12:18:31 PM
Why would we unite behind someone that we don't support. For the good of the party? What about the good of the majority of Americans, not just the radical left wing. Give me a break.
Posted by: Mack | May 21, 2008 12:19:04 PM
Average Joe comments is right. Neither Obama nor Clinton can reached the 2026 "pledged delegates" to secure the nomination. The Superdelgate tally are still "unpledged" and not yet official count at this stage. They can still flip flop their preference until the convention in August.
If the GOP slime machines decided to release their attacks before the August convention, it will be Bye Bye Obama and Hillary will be the nominee. Keep this message in mind so that you will not be surprised when that time come.
Posted by: J_Smithson08 | May 21, 2008 12:20:12 PM
J-Smithson08......Excellent Point!
If the GOP slime machines decided to release their attacks before the August convention, it will be Bye Bye Obama and Hillary will be the nominee. Keep this message in mind so that you will not be surprised when that time come.
Posted by: david from texas | May 21, 2008 12:22:53 PM
How have Fl and Mi been disinfranchised. They broke the rules. All canidates agreed with the consequences.
Posted by: d | May 21, 2008 12:23:31 PM
Lisa what have you been smoking, the republicans are going to cross over and vote for Obama?? I have not met one period, but I have met a lot of dems who are going to vote McCain.
Posted by: Billy Bob | May 21, 2008 12:24:25 PM
And all you guys that hate Obama his now up by 8 points againts Mccain oh and leads hillary nationaly buy around 10. So obviously if you bitter hill suporters go vote for Mccain the majority of you still have a brain and obama still wins.
Posted by: Joe | May 21, 2008 12:26:21 PM
Republicans for Obama? As real as unicorns.
Posted by: Mack | May 21, 2008 12:27:33 PM
Truth be told, while firing Dean, you also need to fire Reid, Pelosi and about twenty more.
Posted by: Billy Bob | May 21, 2008 12:27:36 PM
I find it quite sad to see so many people trying to hold on to the past. My heart goes out to you. The reality is that this is America in 2008. And there is no stopping the inevitable, no matter how hard you try. Perhaps you can gain some comfort by knowing that I do, indeed, feel your pain.
Sad...so sad.
Truth, justice and the American way.
Posted by: Akinyele | May 21, 2008 12:27:53 PM
HILARY LOST!!!
Posted by: Joe | May 21, 2008 12:28:09 PM
Yes, Billy Bob. I actually know quite a few. They can't stand McCain, most wanted Romney. And now that McCain is talking about global warming, they are furious. They would rather a dem win and then have another republican run in 2012. All you have to do is listen.
Posted by: lisa | May 21, 2008 12:29:17 PM
That's right, the voters of Florida and Michigan have been disenfranchised by Howard Dean and the DNC. Sure, it was their elected officials that put the voters in that predicament, but the voters are totally innocent of any wrongdoing except for voting idiots into office. THEY ARE INDEED DISENFRANCHISED. The delegates from Florida and Michigan need to be counted!!! You imbiciles can't take American's votes away from them. If you do, I suggest you go and live in the Soviet Union.
DON'T TAKE AMERICAN VOTES AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: The truth be told | May 21, 2008 12:30:50 PM
I am delighted to see all these people on this message board so upset about the fact that America is about to elect the first "African-American" president in our history. I find endless joy in their futile attempt to stop history. I LOVE IT!
If you have a problem with it, go back to the country of your ancestors. THIS IS AMERICA! Love it or leave it!
Posted by: Akinyele | May 21, 2008 12:30:57 PM
Sorry, can't reward people that break the rules.
Posted by: d | May 21, 2008 12:32:55 PM
Thank you Howard Dean and the DNC for a very entertaining primary!
Posted by: D_Smith | May 21, 2008 12:33:04 PM
I think they should count florida and michigan. Why? Because she still loses!!
then it'll put an end to all this BS!
Posted by: Joe | May 21, 2008 12:35:55 PM
BILLY BOB: WHERE TO I SIGN UP TO FIRE REID, PELOSI AND THE REST OF THE WASHINGTON INSIDERS WHO ARE STEALING THIS ELECTION FROM HILLARY.
Posted by: The truth be told | May 21, 2008 12:36:15 PM
In his victory speech (in Iowa NOT Oregon) last night Mr Obama did the following:
1. Change, blah blah blah, change
2. Eloquently referred to Mrs. Clinton as a formidable opponent (agreed) and then eloquently slammed HER for dragging out the race.
Clinton supporters, this is a slam against YOU because YOU want her to remain in the race during the nomination process.
3. Alleged that Mr. McCain wants to keep the Bush tax cuts for "the wealthy". FALSE. Mr. McCain wants to keep the Bush tax cuts for everyone who benefited from them, which is EVERYONE.
I couldn't listen to any more of the speech after his lies and subtle slam against Mrs. Clinton. I am no fan of Clinton or McCain, but Obama is not practicing what he preaches on campaign tactics and TACT and so therefore is a hypocrite, as are they all.
Posted by: None of the Above 08 | May 21, 2008 12:36:18 PM
Lisa, you are living in a dream world, the far right people dont care for McCain, but they sure are not going to vote for Obama.
Posted by: Billy Bob | May 21, 2008 12:38:14 PM
Wow, there are STILL people out there who believe Obama physically voted against going to Iraq?
And these same people call themselves informed voters? Pathetic. I feel sad that despite the fact that some of you are graduates or students of Ivy League colleges you are so incapable of doing your own research and the truth.



