Is Ickes and company insiting on penalizing Obama because he obeyed the committee's rules in Michigan? What kind of fair play is that?

The rules ((Yes, your remember Mr. abide by the rules Dean) You know, the guy who supports Obama. Let's see how this all shake's out. This week....

This is not about fairness. It is about building a case to be able to continue the campaign to the convention, something that will probably happen, regardless of the outcome of tomorrow's meeting.

Seat the delegates and count the votes...what are we third world? This is rediculous!!!

Obama liars love to point out that Obama was ORDERED to take his name off the ballot .

They say this to be jerks.

Everyone knows the DNC did not ask the candidates to yank their names off the ballot.

He , Edwards and Richardson did it on their own accord. Dodd, Clinton and others didnt.

Sue the Democrats

This is still America, is it not? Since when do we run and count crooked elections? Obama did everything that the Democratic Party asked of him in it's response to two states that cut in line. All state parties were represented in the vote to discipline and all candidates agreed to the sanction. Mrs. Clinton ran roughly 20 points ahead of Obama everywhere before he campaigned. She had tremendous name recognition. When he campaigned he won more than he lost. That's why he has NEVER, not once since the first state voted, been behind in delegates chosen by the people. She won some and he won some, but in all cases where valid and legal elections were held, when all the counts were completed for any given election day and all counts leading up to that day in a running tally were counted, Obama has always been in the lead. To come in at the end of a 16 month battle and penalize him for following the rules and reward her for breaking them is disgusting. I'm from Michigan and Carl Levin and Jennifer Granholm will pay for this in the next election. This is just wrong. Levin and Granholm are rabid Clinton supporters, but this attempt to steal a presidential nomination should anger all Americans. What about the 48 states who played it square by the rules? What about 2012 when they all try to cheat? We'll be holding primaries in the year before. It almost happened this time. Imagine going through this for a year and a half or two years every election.

"Sunshine State's entire delegation to be seated -- each member with 1/2 vote" = VOTE FOR MCCAIN IN NOV.

FL and MI should not count at all. The rules were set and now they are being changed. Regardless of what candidate you are for, this is very unethical. I really don't care how many people voted in a election they knew wouldn't count. MI and FL should suffer for voting the fools in who pushed up there primaries. dumb dumb dumb

Hillary Clinton knew all the rules going in. Since she and her husband HAVE to win, always and in anyway, they are spoiling for a fight. Unfortunately they want to win what the couldn't at the ballot box and caucuses by making more of their dirty back-room deals. The same kind they made with Bill pardoning hundreds for money at the end of his term....

This is now all about the Clinton's making sure Obama will not win in November, raising the race card so many times, just so they can run again in 2012. I have to agree with Mike....I am ashamed to be a Democrat now.

Hillary is such a weak woman, she has had to resort to crying (figuratively and literally) and playing the gender and race cards repeatedly.

In terms of Michigan, since Edwards endorsed Obama, he can just give his delegates to Obama (which is most of the uncommitted) and that is that.

COUNT ALL VOTES!!!
It's the democracy, stupid!!!
If not Sen. Obama isn't the legitim nominee.

Once again Hillary is showing us that she really is more concerned with Hillary than she is the Democratic Party or even the entire nation. When it's to her advantage, she follows the rules. When it's not to her advantage, she breaks the rules. If this situation were reversed, you can bet she would be whining that Florida and Michigan should not be seated.

Whatever works for you, Hillary. It's all about you. Don't worry about the party or the nation.

The DNC started this primary season with the belief that a "refrigerator" could beat President Bush. They are so confident that his unpopularity will lead to a landslide Democratic victory they believe they can alienate the voters in Florida and Michigan with little ill effect. They are so confident that his unpopularity will lead to a landslide Democratic victory they believe they can alienate 50% of the 17 million voters supporting Hillary Clinton with little ill effect. They are so confident that his unpopularity will lead to a landslide Democratic victory they are willing to ignore the popular vote and the last two months of primaries and to dismiss the upcoming primaries and their voters as unimportant because of the "math."

The old adage -- pride comes before a fall -- comes to my mind.

Hope for Change,

There is such a thing as a leftist democrat. Democrats fall into three typical categories --

Conservative or Blue Dog or Dixiecrats -- run on a pro-life, pro-gun, universal healthcare platform for children

moderate democrats -- run on a reasonable restricts platform, abortions for the mother's health, no assault weapons, universal healthcare for all

leftist or liberal democrats -- run on a pure pro-choice platform (Obama voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act so he falls into this category), a ban all guns platform (again, Obama falls into this category), universal healthcare.

The majority of southern democrats are conservative democrats -- hence the term Dixiecrats. Also, the overwhelming majority of Catholic democrats are conservative democrats -- because of the church's pro-life stance.

If this group votes Republican, which it has a strong tendency to do because of the pro-life and gun control issues -- Democrats typically lose.

After Barack is named the nominee -- and the conservative and some of the moderate democrats leave the party en masse -- we'll be able to see how deeply the division is. But these women who support Hillary -- these women who fault for the right to vote and led the charge for Civil Rights in the 1960s -- they are not the kind of people to make idle threats. The party and the Obama supporters are wrong not to take them seriously.

It does not matter what
the committee decides. One side
or the other will take them
matter to court where it will
finally be decided by the
Supreme Court. Immediately after
the results, the court actions
should be placed on a fast
track to finally settle the
matter.

At one time in American history, black people were counted as 1/2 persons.

Now, the Democrats want to count all Florida Democrats as 1/2 person.

History repeats itself.

Mike,

I agree....The Clintons know what they are doing, This is very shameful. I too am ashamed of being a Democrat.

I will tell you one thing, If this goes in favor of Hillary, I will NEVER vote for another Democrat!!!

independent voters who lean Democratic are more likely than any other subgroup tested to say they would vote for McCain if their candidate does not gain the nomination.

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Well they may be right, since I am an Independent voter!! I will vote for McCain if they let Hillary get her way!