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Gore: Race Will Be Settled Before Convention

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May 06, 2008 2:24 PM

ABC News' Teddy Davis and Rick Klein Report: Count Al Gore among those who don't think the Democratic primary race will go all the way to the convention.

Appearing Tuesday on National Public Radio's "Fresh Air," the former vice president held out the possibility of making an endorsement in the race -- but predicted that superdelegates will tip the race to either Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., or Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-NY,  before the Democratic National Convention in Denver this August.

"Even though it has gone on much longer than is normal in the age of primaries and caucuses, nevertheless I think the odds are overwhelming that it will tip rather decisively in one way or the other before the convention even meets," Gore said.

He said he does not anticipate having to help broker a solution to the Democrats' stand-off.

"I'm not anxious to be playing the role of party elder," he said. "I just turned 60 -- which is the new 59. So I'm just a voter and recovering politician."

"My purpose is not endorsing a candidate is not elaborate. I'm simply watching and listening to the campaign," he added. "As a delegate to the convention I will cast my vote at the proper time. I haven’t ruled out making an endorsement prior to that time, but I haven’t been moved to do so. . . . I have respect for both candidates, and they both have strengths, and I’m simply listening and watching like a lot of people."

Gore said the Democratic Party's system of awarding votes to superdelegates "probably . . . should be examined," and said he's confident that the disputed delegations from Florida and Michigan will be seated at the convention, though he didn't say how.

On the possibility of a split Democratic Party this Fall, he said: "I would not underestimate the healing power" of the desire to win.

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Shouldn't he have been the first to endorse Hilary? Interesting

Posted by: DIA | May 6, 2008 2:42:08 PM

Gore states:

Gore said the Democratic Party's system of awarding votes to superdelegates "probably . . . should be examined," and said he's confident that the disputed delegations from Florida and Michigan will be seated at the convention, though he didn't say how.


When the delegates from Florida and Michigan are seated at the Convention, Hillary will be the nominee!

Hillary 08 !

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 2:42:27 PM

Wonder if Al is gonna Say I got the most votes was screwed over in 2000.

Superdelegates don't screw over Obama in the Smoke Filled Room and hand the nomination to the person with the least votes.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 6, 2008 2:45:45 PM

My problem with some people in America is that Obama keeps criticising Hillary, What solution has he got to reduce gas prices????? People are just following him blindly . what solution has he got nothing absloutely nothing but to give up America to rich and influentials . If obama is elected we are in a great and diffilcult problem it will be another regret after Bush . Well i even think the world is shifting focus to China already . It is as if America has failed due to bad leadership and wrong leaders.

Posted by: A True black American | May 6, 2008 2:48:57 PM

Of course Michigan and Florida will be seated and Gore knows exactly how.

Not even the US Supreme Court can over rule the certified results by a Secretary of State.

Al Gore knows that better than any other man on the planet. That's why Florida was awarded to Bush in 2000, because the Secretary of State for Florida said so.

Dos the DNC really want to take on States Rights by over turning their election results??? Doubtful!

The delegates can only be awarded by the election results already certified by the respective Secretaries of State, now that redos have been eliminated.

The delegates may be partially sanctioned but in the end, I actually doubt even that will happen.

Notice Howard Dean's change of tune lately. This doesn't just jeopardize Mi and FL for the Nov white house elections it threatens the Democratic house and senate candidates as well.

The DNC has no choice. Fl and MI have to be seated. Gore knows this.

Posted by: s.b. | May 6, 2008 2:49:15 PM

Obama can not win, He hide Rev Wright and he won some states, after we found out who Obama really is he has won nothing. He is unelectable

Posted by: libre | May 6, 2008 2:50:04 PM

I see so much division between Clinton and Obama supporters, many who say they would either not vote or vote for McCain if their candidate is not the nominee, I think it will be hard for the Democratic party to unify and support one candidate in the fall. This race has gone on way to long and the longer it goes on, the longer it will take to heal the party. At this point, whichever is the nominee, Clinton or Obama, I'm afraid McCain is already set up to spend the next four years in the White House. Ugh!

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 2:50:16 PM

I would have loved to asked Gore how he feels about the world food shortage and his responsibility for it. Bio-fuels? How about starvation thanks to ridiculous subsidies that have stolen the food from the poor and given to greenfarts like Al. His legacy will be hunger, corruption, and lies. Al Gore is running a "green" fund that really means just more money in his BILLIONAIRE pocket.

Posted by: Karen Huntsville, AL USA | May 6, 2008 2:50:36 PM

Did I miss something. I heard quite a while ago that Gore was for Obama.

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008 2:51:39 PM

Did I miss something. I heard quite a while ago that Gore was for Obama.

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008 2:51:47 PM

s.b., when Mi and Fl are seated, how will they divide the delegates? Just curious.

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 2:52:41 PM

Raleigh Voter.....I don't think Gore, just like Edwards, has made any inclination of who they would endorse. But with his reasoning now, knowing that Fl and Mi delegates will be seated, I can't help but think he will endorse Clinton.......she's fought the hardest to seat these delegates. Gore has a lot of pull with the Super D's and a lot of persuasion power.

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 2:55:20 PM

All of these big wig Dems who keep saying we'll have a nominee by the convention remind me of folks who know there's a serious problem and keep telling everyone to stay calm.

The Democratic Rules Committee meets on May 31st. Let's see if they have some backbone to settle Florida and Michigan as they should have from the start.

Posted by: sherr | May 6, 2008 2:57:22 PM

I find it ridiculous for any Obama supporter to vote for McCain but I do not find it quite so if a Clinton supporter does. Many of her supporters are moderates and fiscal conservatives. McCain is a moderate himself and those painting him as McSame will lose that battle come the General Election.

Those that have followed McCain realize this and feel that he has what it takes to do what is right in Iraq. I mean come on, he should know the negatives of war and what needs to be done over there.

A president is more than the abortion or gun issue. It is about who we believe has the best judgment to lead our country in the right direction and get things done.

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008 2:57:35 PM

Florida and Michigan will no doubt be seated at the convention. However, anyone who thinks that seating will included full delegate counts to Hillary for the Michigan results, with nothing for Obama, you are delusional! Hillary's "Nuclear Option" may want it that way, but that would be just as unfair, and disenfranchise many voters as well.

Florida, one could argue, should be seated as well, because everyone was on the ballot. On the other hand, how many voters stayed home because they felt their votes would not count? How might the results have been different if Florida had followed the rules!?!

Heck, if Florida and Michigan had waited until early April or Mid-May to hold their primaries, they'd have weighed in much more on the results!!! Just goes to show you!

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | May 6, 2008 2:59:18 PM

Since the Secretary of Stae in Fl and MI has certified the vote count which has nothing to do with delagates should those popular vote count?

Posted by: Bishop | May 6, 2008 2:59:29 PM

I dont know why in this country we dont learn from our mistake. The economy is in a state of almost collapsing all we carry about now is the name America(USA) . China , India are advancing and we are stagnant and even retarding. The state of the economy taday calls for someone that can come and and quickly save the economy not someone that is not really experienced or can take very clear and good positions. the American economy today doesnt call for someone like a rock-star or someone that can talk but someone that can come in due to real experience and competence that has been prooved in the past but this seems a problem for America to choose the right person even if Hillary is to come in just for four year clear up this mess.It is diffilcult for Americato elect her, I dont know where we go from here. I indeed weep for America

Posted by: A True black American | May 6, 2008 3:02:13 PM

Just because FL and MI will be seated, does not mean that they will not just split the vote. In my opinion, that will not change very much. All it would do is to create some very angry voters.

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008 3:02:32 PM

There are already angry voters I am one

Posted by: Bishop | May 6, 2008 3:04:43 PM

I will always rememeber when the Supreme Court made a rule that did not count certain voters in Flo & made Al Gore lose. Now our own DNC does not count certain voters. This will kill us in the general election. I never once heard Obama open his mouth to take up for the voters' rights over the powerful DNC rules committee & Howard Dean. Clinton supporters even offered the money to let them revote. Obama missed a huge chance to speak for the people & fight to make a revote happen. He let down the voters. That is why polls show Hillary defeating McCain in Flo while Obama loses to McCain.

Voters did nothing wrong. It is not about Clinton or Obama. It is about voters' rights over rules of the powerful.

Posted by: Mary Ruth | May 6, 2008 3:04:44 PM

Good Post, Raleigh Voter .

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 3:05:23 PM

Florida and Michigan are settled already. The primaries don't count. Hillary Clinton agreed to it months ago. Now she's decided she needs those votes, but that doesn't change a thing. The issue is settled.

Posted by: skeptic | May 6, 2008 3:06:34 PM

There is no doubt in my mind that Florida should count. The argument that some voters stayed home just does not factor in.

Michigan is trickier. There could have been a revote there but due to politicians being politicians, they disenfranchised the voters not once, but twice! If I were a voter from that state, I would be making sure that we elect out the old and in with the new. How dumb can politicians be in that state?

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008 3:10:57 PM

I agree, Mary Ruth. Obama did miss a HUGE chance to speak up for Michigan and Florida. I have a feeling this will come back to haunt him. Sounds like we are heading for another Bush/Gore election, but this time, within the Democratic Party. Because of the DNC, who is blaming the candidates, mainly Hillary, for tearing up the party, it's actually the DNC along with Dean and Pelosi (idiot) that is destroying the party! Where are the voters rights anymore? It's like the American public doesn't even count anymore!

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 3:11:14 PM

Fl and Mi will be seated, but at the convention when wee will all know who the nominee is. Seating them would have no impact to the result. If there is any hint that they will be seated before Denver, and that might impact the result we have now, the Obama's campaign wouldn't agree with the deal. Anyway you don't reward someone who knows the rules and breaks it. I am sure that knows it as well. FL & MI knew the rules, they knew the sanctions ahead and decided anyway to violate them. They should be punish according to the rules.

Posted by: Collins | May 6, 2008 3:12:31 PM

Really- Gore can't stand the Clintons- seriously. He will endorse Obama only if and when he has to- to keep Hillary out of power. At one time Gore and Bill Clinton were not on speaking terms- that bad. He was deeply hurt and blames the Clintons for the low ethics and scandal ridden tenure in the White House, and he blames the Clintons for making the difference (a negative one) in his own presidential election in 2000. If the Clintons hadn't ruined it for Gore, he would have been president, and we would never have gone to war, a war that Hillary went on to authorize. Blame Bush for the war, but also blame the Clintons for keeping Gore out and then enabling the war effort- rest assured that Gore does.

Posted by: rco | May 6, 2008 3:13:11 PM

Sorry skeptic...you are wrong. Dean even said that the delegates will be seated somehow so this is hardly "settled". No matter what one believes as far as the rules go and so and so agreed to it, the fact remains that the votes will count....somehow.

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008 3:13:54 PM

I'm an independent voter.
I voted for republicans and democrats
in previous elections.
This time i'm for Hillary because we
had 8 peaceful and economic prosperous years.
If she loses the nomination i will
vote for McCain.

Posted by: Nicholas | May 6, 2008 3:14:48 PM

How did the Clinton's "ruin" Gore's chance at the Presidency? It was Gore's campaign that did not want Clinton to participate. Say what you want about Clinton's ethics, the people still love him. He could have brought a lot of moderates in to vote for Gore, not to mention Gore's looking like a stiff elite did not help him either.

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008 3:17:06 PM

He's absolutely sure that the bad American people are destroying the planet but demures that the superdelegates "probably . . . should be examined"? He's been a global warming guru for 8 years but a dem pol all his life.

He really is a one trick pony isn't he...

Posted by: smartprimate | May 6, 2008 3:17:31 PM

Enough of the "rules are rules" nonsense. This same thing happened years ago and the delegates were seated. If the rules were not meant to be broken then WHY did they do that?

If the rules were not meant to be broken then WHY did Dean say that they would be seated?

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008 3:19:31 PM

Raleigh Voter: I agree with you, but can you elaborate why Florida should count? It seems to me that the DNC has really "muddied" these waters.

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 3:19:47 PM

I think not only should the delegates be seated, but there should have been a re-vote in Florida and Michigan. It's not the peoples fault they have stupid politicians in place. I hate it that people get on these posts and are glad that these two states are not counted...thats ludicrous! These voters have every right to be counted just as you and me!

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 3:24:22 PM

Please keep in mind that votes in a parties primaries are merely a politcal club (or party) deciding who their leader (candidate is). So, the club (DNC) makes the rules and the club abides by those rules, not the voting laws of the United States Government
thanks

Posted by: Barak | May 6, 2008 3:24:33 PM

Fl is different than MI. Names were on the ballot. The campaigning issue should not matter. The people that wanted to be heard went to vote. I have heard it all.

I have also heard that other states moved their voting dates up, also against the DNC rules but that those votes counted. I looked this up and found articles on it and it appears to be true. Still need to research it more because it JUST cannot be right or else it would have made bigger news.

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008 3:26:07 PM

It is called a compromise. It called being a good sport on Obama's part to even consider seating FL and MI. They will be seated in a manner that does not disadvantage any candidate - 50/50.

Posted by: Gillis | May 6, 2008 3:28:33 PM

LOL Gillis...that is funny.

Do not tell me about breaking rules though, the DNC makes the rules and breaks them! What is up with that??

It is easy to understand where Clinton is coming from...and the states that voted to move up their primaries. The DNC has a history of letting the rule-breakers slide by.

And come on, to have a little fun you need to break the rules sometimes :-)

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008 3:29:47 PM

Raleigh Voter

I like your last post better. Please do the research.

Posted by: Gillis | May 6, 2008 3:30:28 PM

If Obama steals the nomination without Florida and Michigan coounted, then i believe the DNC should be labelled Black People's party or rather a racist party or a party that have no regard for women.

Posted by: A True black American | May 6, 2008 3:32:00 PM

It will not be difficult to vote for Hillary in the election. She has the support of the majority of Hispanics, Jews, Asians, 20% blacks, woman & the most reliable older than 65+. So why will it be difficult for her to win. If anything if will be difficult for Obama to win because he only has 80% of blacks & young voters. Hispanics tip two 2000 & 2004 for Bush because they are independents and the Republicans have fought for there vote. The only person that has fought for their votes has been Hillary for many years. If the Dem. Party forgets who they want, then they'll forget about them.

Posted by: Catalina | May 6, 2008 3:32:15 PM

DC Voter gave a good summation of the Democratic Party:

I apologize for the lack of paragraphs (I was with a student and pressed post by accident.) So I will make it easier on the eyes folks, sorry about that.
The liberal dems have always hated the Clintons. The DNC had been controlled by the rich elite (liberal left wing) for many years until they were embarassed at Carter's failure to get anything accomplished and get defeated in a landslide as an incumbent.
After that defeat, the liberals lost control of the party and the recommendations made by prior committee actions were implemented in 1982. This resulted in the changing of rules for delegates at the convention (no one is bound to the electorate) and the creation of unpledged delegates to represent the party since they are the ones backing the candidates during campaigns and terms of office. The unpledged delegates have been coined by the media as superdelegates but they are actually just unpledged delegates just like the RNC has in their party.
After Reaganomics resulted in massive debt and recession effects for middle America, with record deficits and unbalanced budgets, Bill Clinton (after 12 successful years turning around the economy in Arkansas and years of humanitarian efforts for middle America) was elected and the centrists officially took control of the Democratic party.
Eight years later, after his marital infidelity was used against him, Al Gore failed to win for a variety of reasons but we all know the final result was that he won and the DNC failed to get a single one of the 50 Senators to force the counting of the votes by overriding the Supreme Court decision. At that point, the liberals took control of the party again.
In 2004, with liberal control in place, Kerry had a failed run because of election fraud and a lack of guts on behalf of Richardson to investigate the election fraud in NM and on behalf of Kerry to investigate the election fraud in Ohio. In fact, the DNC was complicit in advising Kerry to concede before the votes were validated in Ohio.
In 2006, the people called for change with sweeps in many congressional races electing more Democrats. Unfortunately, the liberal dems in power pushed two liberals into the Speaker of the House and Senate Majority leader positions and very little has been accomplished.
Meanwhile, the centrist democrats have been gaining recognition and power by working across party lines to get some things accomplished as centrist republicans are abandoning the Bush administration. The current DNC leadership have all published or publicly stated their dislike for the Clintons and have taken it out on Hillary Clinton because she has risen to a position of strong influence with centrist democrats and the American people. As far as they are concerned, she represents them losing control again and that is why they set Obama up at the 2004 convention and pushed him into running for office even after he himself said he was not qualified.
The biased liberal latte in control of the DNC then violated voter rights and their own rules by punishing only 2 of the 4 states who moved up their primary dates. In Florida, it was not the state party that moved up the date but in fact was the RNC controlled legislature. This was engineered by the RNC and the DNC leadership was complicit.
They will do anything to prevent the core democrats from regaining control of the party because that would mean they would lose influence in the House and Senate as well. This is where we are today... the centrists are fighting to win back control of the party on behalf of core democrats and the liberal wing is using Identity voting and Karl Rove advice on how to keep control of the party.
Unfortunately, the DNC has thus far been able to fool half the democratic electorate into voting based on a message of hope and change under which failures can easily be blamed on others (the typical MO of liberal politicians) instead of standing behind a true democrat who inspires hope through actions, humanitarianism, and centrist unity.
Take a moment to consider the real motives behind Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy, Leahy, and others before you cast your vote tomorrow. Clinton stands for all Americans based on common goals that benefit us all. Even the conservative democrats and some conservative republicans are leaning her way now instead of leaning towards McCain. Let's not wait until the GE to vote with our heads... the time is now... lets change the way it has always been and select a nominee the same way we elect a President.

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 3:32:45 PM

We aren't fuedal tribes, we are all governed by laws and rules. That means I obey the law and I obey the rules. If everyone did as Michigan and Florida did, life would be chaos. Hillary supporters know this; they know that they would protest if anyone else except Hillary were trying to cheat and steal delegates by making her own rules. She's not a queen. She's not a dictator. Or at least, she shouldn't be acting like one.

Posted by: Sallie | May 6, 2008 3:35:26 PM

There is no legal basis for forcing the Dems to seat Florida and Michigan delegates. The Democratic party is a private organization, and can create the rules for its internal elections any way it wants. The rules for FL and MI were set long before the primaries, and were basically set by Hillary's people (McAuliffe, Wolfson, Ickes), and were agreed to by all candidates, so Hillary has no basis for complaint.

I have said before that if the Superdelegates yank the victory from Obama to give it to Hillary it would be tantamount to saying "Mr. Obama, please step to the back of the bus. This seat for the presidential nominee is reserved for a white woman". Either people like Jackson, Sharpton, or Wright would come up with this, or the Republicans would (actually, I think the Republicans would sit this out and let the others fight this battle for them, and keep their hands clean of it).

How many people (black or white) would sit back and take that type of treatment? And does the DNC really want to put itself in that position?

Not likely.

Posted by: Nick in Virginia | May 6, 2008 3:36:54 PM

Florida and Michigan will be seated in Denver. Very simply, and very easily. There is a 100% chance that the party will divide them up in a near 50-50 split, and in such a fashion that they can participate, but not sway the nomination numbers in favor of either candidate. Of course, this will happen after the election outcome has been formally decided, the superdelegates have spoken, and after Howard Dean asks one of them to step down in June, well in advance of the August convention. Sorry, this is just the way it is. No other way for the party elders to save grace, have unity, and deal with the situation in a manner that does not allow anyone to blame them for the eventual outcome. This will allow them to say that the voters, delegates, and superdelegates decided the election, and they will say that the party has graciously allowed Florida and Michigan to join the party in Denver. You can book it.

Posted by: rco | May 6, 2008 3:39:52 PM

I think the media has been "pro-Obama" for the last 16 mos. I see Hillary getting up everyday, looking at nothing but negatives, taking a lot of slander from reporters, analysts, etc. However, she has fought, she has stamina, endurance and perserverance. She fought for Fl and Mi, she is trying to get relief for gas for America in the short term as well as having a long term plan. When I hear Obama speak, on the stump, he is only reactive to Hillary's comments. He has no ideals or proaction on his own. I think the GOP definitely wants Obama to be the nominee, thats why they are already thinking of him in that way and trying to force it down America's throats. They know that Hillary has already been vetted, and that she is a strong, tough, candidate, one that McCain would have trouble beating in the GE. Obama, on the other hand, is just now being vetted, is truly the weaker candidate in a GE vote, and would be easily beaten by McCain. The problem we have as Dems is that we have two very good candidates that have been played by the DNC and now both of them have virturally destroyed the other and will most likely lose to the GOP in the fall! This is sad.

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 3:41:46 PM

Sallie,
If a handful of your state "leaders" for self gratifying reasons changed the rules thus silencing your voice, would you still simply think rules are rules? It's kind of like the the two kids in the back of the classroom that keep talking thus the whole class has to stay in for recess. I'm not in Florida or Michigan but I would be livid if my right as an American to vote was not counted. Yet one more Un-American act that Obama is supporting.

Let these millions of citizens vote!

Posted by: Jules | May 6, 2008 3:43:21 PM

Jack - very well said. I totally agree.

Posted by: bpatz3 | May 6, 2008 3:43:24 PM

Sallie: I think it even goes a step further. If a super who supporter Obama also votes against her gas tax holiday, she will try to use that as leverage to get her own brand of democrat in there. I think her call of "I want to know who is with us and who is against us" in congress based solely on the gas tax holiday is a thinly veiled threat. She is willing to turn the base against the elected democrats unless she is the nominee.


ok . . . maybe I read to much fiction.

Posted by: X marks the spot | May 6, 2008 3:47:32 PM

Very simple: SD has every right to pick one candidate who they think is the best to win back W.H...

That is only job they will do and that is the only reason they will choose their nominee if they care about their party...

Who has the best chance to beat McCain, that is the only thing that matters to SD..

Posted by: True Truth | May 6, 2008 3:48:11 PM

Nicholas - It's going to be interesting to see where they are going to lay the blame for the loss. My prediction will be the Clintons and racist America - however,never once looking for the real answers; incompetent democratic leadership and an unqualified candidate.

Posted by: Dems lose again | May 6, 2008 3:51:11 PM

So, if the Super D's have the right to pick the delegate they think can beat the GOP and win back the White House, then why do we even vote? If this is true, why even spend all this money to have elections? Ugh! This is TOOOOO political.....lol.....lets all go have a beer and think about it....lol!

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 3:54:10 PM

Jules, blame the state leaders in MI and FL who were elected as the citizen's representatives, but don't blame Obama, he's faithfully following the party rules put forth by our UltraDems, Hillary's boys, Ickes and McCaulife, as well as Dean, etc. Hillary would be giving Michigan and Florida the finger if she had lost the primary elections in MI and FL, that she once predicted would be irrelevant and would not count toward the nomination. She only wants them to count because she won, and she is behind- if she had lost those states limited elections, she would not be saying anything. You know how the Clintons do things. You can book that too.

Posted by: rco | May 6, 2008 3:54:37 PM

To Raleigh Voter, without rules, there is not functioning society. When you agree to play by the rules, you HAVE to go by the rules. I know that the voters from FL and MI didn't seek to violate the rules, theirs stupid politicians did it. They should be held accountable before those voters, How? JUST DON'T VOTE FOR THEM. some of them will be on the ballot in November.
If your employees break the rules, you don't promote them, you FIRE them instead. That's how things work...

Posted by: Collins | May 6, 2008 3:54:53 PM

If Barack Obama is in Hillary Clinton's position I am 1000% sure he would do the same thing. He would ask to count the Michigan and Florida primaries. Don't be a hypocrite and say Hillary is just doing that because she is behind. Of course she is!!!! If Obama is in the same boat he would definitely do the same and if any of you Obama supporters say he won't just grow up. Politics is dirty and we all know it. RCO - I agree with you. DNC will sit those delegates after everything is all said and done. I am so frustrated about all these and I get so involved every election to just lose.

Posted by: bpatz3 | May 6, 2008 3:55:05 PM

rco, isn't thats what Obama is doing now? He lost these states, thats why he doesn't want them counted! Hillary 08 !

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 3:56:25 PM

Jack: Obama did not lose the states. How can you say that he lost them when he followed the rules, and Clinton broke them. How about we all start rewarding rule breakers because they're DARING, TAKE RISKS, etc....Give me a break.

Posted by: r | May 6, 2008 4:05:07 PM

I was a Dem also but now with Dean, Reid, Pelosi running how this election should play out makes me sick to my stomach & I'm now running as a Independant. Go Hillary!

Posted by: CAtalina | May 6, 2008 4:08:21 PM

Catalina: You have your facts wrong. Obama said that he would follow whatever the state legislators decided. The Michigan legislators decided against another primary election....get your facts correct!!!!

Posted by: r | May 6, 2008 4:09:08 PM

Jack thanks for your views and that was why as a Black American, I will never and will not ever in my life vote obama. The useless media houses in this country run negative against Clinton for Obama fo almost 16 months just aginst a woman in order to force Obama on us. BUt all the same she still came up strong after all these negatives, she contested agianst Obama and the American media but she is still up today i think cudos should be given to this woman as well as if the DNC have their senses working rightly i believe Hillary should be the nominee. Who can easily run against the American media in this country???? and still have the type of support she still has today. God bless you Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: A True black American | May 6, 2008 4:10:04 PM

Yes, I agree. I have no illusions about politicians. they only do and say things that are in their own interests, and voters always vote their pocket books. Two truisms in politics. No politician gets this far, and is naive, untested, a wimp, etc. they are all battle hardened, street savvy, and have much larger egos than the rest of us. You do have to admit that, it is disingenuous for Hilary supporters to say "count the votes in MI and FL, when as you say, Obama supporters would do the same if the the results were reversed? Everyone is hypocritical in politics. I favor Obama over Clinton for their political tactics and style. Hillary is like a growling attack dog, and she tries to manipulate, pander, and then hit you over the head with a hammer. Obama, like Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, is more amicable, and wants to find a consensus and solutions that everyone can live with and support. I favor Obama's approach to getting things done, especially on the international scene. I could care less about Obama's skin color or Hillary's gender. Either of them can beat McCain with the media's help this fall- not to mention the economy, jobs, and the war, McCain's age, poor temperament and his lack of conservative support base, etc are huge factors that favor the dems this Nov.

Posted by: rco | May 6, 2008 4:13:18 PM

Thank you everyone for the candor and the amusement... We'll have to wait and see exatly what happens tonight, next week, next month, and at the DNC in Denver. Until then, go right ahead and spew your opinions which don't matter to anyone but yourselves! Keep it up... the world needs more laughter!

Posted by: Mrs. Tiggywinkle | May 6, 2008 4:17:01 PM

R - the frustration is not because Hillary is loosing. I am frustrated because the party insiders are going to vote for Obama and we will lose again in November. I am so tired of losing in the general election.

R - do you honestly think that Obama will even be in this position if the American people knew about Wright, Ayers and Sinclair before the primary season? I bet not.

Posted by: bpatz3 | May 6, 2008 4:21:02 PM

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 3:32:45 PM - Jack, Jack, Jack. Such a long post, and you were so pressed to post after your meeting with a student. Trouble is you said "before you vote tomorrow". Now could it be that this was all a hoax and a bit of a spam showing up all over the net?

Posted by: Sanity Man | May 6, 2008 4:22:15 PM

The Dems have two fine Presidential candidates in 2008 - Senator Clinton is honest, selfless and kind to a fault. Senator Obama's legislative experience is voluminous. Both of these candidates can identify from their own life experience with the working class. This is Consultofactus reporting from an alternate universe where everything is exactly the opposite to reality.

Posted by: Consultofactus | May 6, 2008 4:28:06 PM

Keasha, excellent post! I couldn't agree more! This is why I feel he is the weaker candidate.....empty suit, no substance! Obama was forced down our throats by the media (GOP owned), and thats why he won the states he did. Hillary stayed on course, fighting everyday,not only the media, Obama, but also the new faction of the Democratic party, and has proven to be the better candidate. Dean, Pelosi, and Reid didn't win those states for Obama, but the GOP media did. The GOP wants him to be the nominee......he is so much weaker than Clinton.....and now, that this has happened, if Obama is the nominee, over half of the Clinton supporters will go with McCain. If she runs as an Independent, she will be basically a "spoiler", thus McCain wins again....the NEW "FACTION" Democratic Party, designed by Dean, Pelosi, and Reid has now turned into their worst enemy........I don't see the Dems regaining the White House in the fall.....4 more years of Bush!

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 4:28:53 PM

If she steals this nomination with superdelegates in a back room I will no longer be a democrate and will probably quit voting and andvise all my friends (who just signed up to vote for the first time) to not vote as well. If this is how this country and that party works they are not worthy of my time. I'd also rather cut my u know whats off than have Hillary as pres.

Posted by: JOe | May 6, 2008 4:29:24 PM

Too bad that Obama does not want to engage in a negative campaign. He could have shown the Hillary Bosnia lie footage over and ever again as she did to him on his "bitter" comments. If he did, she would be crushed a long time ago. He did not even mention it unless when asked. I am sure the Republicans will if they need to.

Posted by: leighg1 | May 6, 2008 4:30:54 PM

Sanity Man, if you read the beginning of the post, I gave credence to the author, DC Voter.......was not mine and it was not spam, but a very good explanation of what is going on in the Democratic Party.

Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 4:33:20 PM

Hillary fought a bitter battle against Obama and the American media for alomost 16 months and she still survived after all.
Check MSNBC, CNN, NYT . The main stream media houses in this country , they are all supporting Obama . If Hillary could still run this far i cudos to a brav e woman and a true American hero she has benn battered by thes media house syet she still came out strong. DNC should should use their right senses anvd support Hillary

Posted by: A True black American | May 6, 2008 4:38:08 PM

Consultofactus:
"Senator Clinton is honest, selfless ..."


You ought to be a comedian. Soooo funny :-)

Posted by: Gillis | May 6, 2008 4:38:31 PM

Keasha, NC - Obama's energy plan is to tax windfall profits to invest in research on renewable energy, and to raise CAFE standards for autos (he said this in Detroit to no applause, but CAFE standards have to be raised in order for our cars to be sold in China). Now Hillary also wants the windfall profits tax on oil to go to research,but that would be hard because she already is saying it should fund the suspension of the Federal Tax on gasoline. Hillary's plan also encourages consumption that raises the price of gasoline more, and also more pollution and global warming.

So that is Obama's plan and the Hillary plan that won't work. Now who is telling the truth?

Posted by: Sanity Man | May 6, 2008 4:40:20 PM

Hillary staying on course? You have got to be joking the woman is so fake she's sounding more and more like bush everyday. Nuke Iran, cut gas tax, she knows that tax won't work I know she's smarter than that. Then you get I don't listen to economists, come on! sounds like Bush's gut is directing her. You hill supporters are so blind! She's just saying what you want to here. She doesn't even know how to pump gas!!!

Posted by: Joe | May 6, 2008 4:40:55 PM

Obama will win in November. Everybody knows it, including McCain. That's why the Republicans want to go against Clinton instead. The Republican machine is already trying to defeat Obama before he bocomes nominated because they are so afraid he will win by landslide. And Hillary is helping them do it.

Posted by: Gillis | May 6, 2008 4:43:01 PM

Beating McCain would be so easy, that's why Hillary is fighting so hard because she thinks the Republican tiger is weak this election cycle.

Posted by: Gillis | May 6, 2008 4:44:45 PM

People who support Obama is doing him a disservice. The fact is that he is damaged. If Obama win the primary and lose the election, he will be forever banned from running as the candidate. I would not hesitate to vote for him if he have few more years of experience and exposure. While some people think the business with his pastor and radical left wing fanatics is not a big deal as a 2nd generation immigrant, this is a BIG deal. He may or may not think as his pastor, but politics is about perception. If I am an immigrant and a minority can not accept this then you can bet that the majority of American will not accept. It's not about his pastor, who cares about him. It is about the candidate itself. With a slim resume, he call to people to trust him on his words, that words matters, ideas, judgment are worth it. The pastor incident disproved all of these. If words, ideas mattered, why didn't he say and do anything for the past twenty years. If he claims that he has the ability to bridge the race, why didn't he start right at his pastor, his grand mother, his church.Most presidential candidate have one and only one shot at it. If he step up into the ring now, he will be forever damage. The best option for him is to take a VP position or bow out, which give him time to rehabilitate his image and improve his weakness (experience). Eight years from know, if someone ask him about the pastor, he can answer very honestly that it was a mistake, and he can prove that he correct it during the 8 years as VP and full of experience. I know this is not going to convince any of Obama's supporters and I might be called all kinds of things but it is reality plain and simple.

Posted by: mhertz40 | May 6, 2008 4:44:57 PM

Well Al Gore really knows how to lose, especially here in Florida, so he's really the authority on which candidate to choose. Gore is also being severely tested on his global warming catastrophic theories by such unknowns as NASA, the National Hurricane Center and the NOAA National Weather Service to name a few. If the sun spots continue to diminish, global warming will be the best we can get in the face of a new Ice Age. Please, Gore -- keep the trap shut.

Posted by: Samantha | May 6, 2008 4:45:22 PM

leighg1 goes to show us just what's wrong with the voting public.

To actually say that Obama is not going negative?? That if Obama was not such a non-negative politician he would have looped Clinton's Bosnia story...

LOL...The commercials he is running here in NC are the most negative that I have seen yet by ANY other politician in this state...and there are a few negative ads out there involving runs for other offices. If I recall, Fox news was the one that brought forth the story about Wright...have to give them credit for having the guts. I do not remember Clinton being the one to bring up Wright unless she was ASKED about it.

Take off the rose colored glasses would you..Bosnia and Wright are at opposite ends of the spectrum...

Lets have a decent exchange of comments here, not this nonsense.

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008 4:46:07 PM

Hillary fought a bitter battle against Obama and the American media for alomost 16 months and she still survived after all.
Check MSNBC, CNN, NYT . The main stream media houses in this country , they are all supporting Obama . If Hillary could still run this far after about 16 months, i give cudos to a brave woman and a true American hero she has been battered and bruised by these media houses yet she still came out strong.