Splitting the delegates in half is exactly the same thing as not seating any at all.

They get a free and useless ride to the convention. Their voice nullified.

The dems think that michigan waving its flag around at the convention means they were 'included' , except they are just spectators who had no say in it whatsoever.

The only way to actually include Michigan is include the vote that took place.

Either you include it or dont. Never mind with the stupid mind games to make it 'look' like they are included.

It wont wash.

And the Obama starting point of a 50/50 split is false.

The Obama starting point for a fair negotiation is zero delegates.

Since when do you get to start with 50% of the delegates when you lost an election???

This is absurd, and is tantelmount to stealing an election. it would not pass any international standard for counting votes or a democratic election.

Why have primaries at all if the DNC can just decide how you would vote?

What a waste of time, effort, and money (Obama is the inevitable nominee) just to appease Hillary! She is an attention addict; feverishly fighting to get just one more fix!

All-or-nothing Hillary supporters claim they will defect and vote for McCain (or not vote at all) because Hillary is an also-ran!

Is Hillary a loyal Democrat or the head of a cult?

Hillary, the Queen of Spin and a Legend in Her Own Mind!

http://klintons.com

      "The Obama starting point for a fair negotiation is zero
      delegates."
      s.b. | May 31, 2008 4:03:14 PM

One might keep in mind that, as things currently stand, Hillary also has zero delegates out of Michigan.  She's wanting more than zero; she's making the play for more than zero, but zero is what she's currently got.

you people are falling for this!!!! why would anyone think that ANY of the delegates count after the rules change?????!!! all they are doing is trying to "appease" the mindless voters so they can go and wave their flag at the convention. they screwed millions of voters in two crucial states. thats the bottom line. the democratic leadership screwed up BIG TIME, and they know it. dont let them suck back up to you!! hold our leaders accountable for decisions!!! no delegates!!!!!!

The reason why I have supported Hillary's struggle to count the votes is because this has been a very close primary election. We cannot ignore the votes of Michigan and Florida and say that we have the best candidate to represent the demcorats. In another time, if the election were not this close, it would not have mattered. Now the DNC with all of its manipulations is going to put a stamp on voter fraud. It would be better to reject all or count all votes. What a nightmarish situation! Bad all the way!

Hillary is trying to steal the nomination. Again she has moved the goalposts--as Dynastic Queen she is making this crazed claim to what she had previously agreed to ignore. WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE will not PERMIT the Clinton Dynasty to steal the nomination. SHE will never be MY President.

It's clear that the Clinton supporters have the votes on the rules committe and on the credentials committee. The majority wants the voters' votes to count. Too bad for Obama, this is one type of caucus that he overlooked, he and his team didn't do his homework in getting control of those key committees. Only some kind of zombie would want to go up against the majority vote of a democratic group. By the way, why did he take his name off the Michigan ballot, seems like there is a pattern of disrespect when it comes to voters in working class states?
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Obama and BitterGate, we shall not forget!
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Obama is a liberal. There is a huge difference between a liberal and democrat.

Clinton supporters will vote for Mc Cain because he is actually much closer to their values than Obama is.

Millions of democrats do not believe EVERY single thing the democratic party does.

Millions of democrats are christians and are pro life. Millions believe in many republican values, but want universal healthcare.

Millions of democrats are deeply concerned that Obama is too inexeperienced and too liberal.

Millions of democrats are concerned that his freaky friends will begin to dominate his white house.

Millions of democrats believe that if Obama is president, nobody can critque him.

If they do, Al Sharpton, Rev wright, The black panthers, Jesse Jackson , and a whole pile of other freaks will cry RACISM .

They simply dont want to get involved with all that. They have better things to do with their lives.

So dont expect Obama to get the clinton supporters. He doesnt support their values.

ONE person - ONE vote and ALL the votes must be counted. That's what our democracy demands. The 2000 election should have made that abundantly clear. WHAT did we not understand about that election?? MI & FL must be seated and their votes counted AS THE RESULTS cam out. Anything less, is a sham. If the nominee is Obama the democrats have handed the election to McCain. Four years more of Republican leadership isn't nearly as scary as 4-8 years of Barack Obama!

Obama took his name of the Michigan ballot to improve his chances in Iowa. He had an ulterior motive and this had nothing to do with the voters but everything to do about the delegates. Hillary didn't because the voters were important to her. This meaningless spin that the DNC is going after is totally ridiculous and everything about what they can do to hoodwink the American (especially Michigan) voting public

Shirl,
Oh, yeah, right the old "steal the nomination" ploy as if Obama has some kind of "Male" entitlement to be president number 44. Count the votes please. Only some kind of zombie or dictator type would not want to count Democrats.
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Hillary is the only candidate that represents the working class!
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It doesn't matter whether Obama removed his name or not. That fact is that the votes were not going to count anyway. But now they want to change the rules.

Obama did not block a revote in michigan. That's a lie being spread by fanatics, please educate yourself. He took his name off the ballot because he was told the vote would not count. The problem is the DNC! You can't strip a state of its delegates and then change the rules at the end of the game without things becoming very complicated. Clinton wants chaos, it's her only possible chance at the nomination and it has nothing to do with democracy or popular vote. The republicans also want chaos and plenty of them are masquerading as Clinton supporters here. THINK FOR YOURSELF. There is no equitable way to divide a "flawed" vote.

VOTER...

see, you are missing the whole point!!! the leaders need to be held accountable for there mistakes. both large and small, theres no difference. the last thing we as americans need to do is let politicians know that we "dont care" if they screw up!!! you're right, its a huge mess. and one that democrats need to think long and hard about when they go to vote for there president and congeress. and state officials for that matter too. they are in on this too. you cant say "well it was a mistake BUT... you just cant do that. im not a democrat. matter of fact i cant stand most democrats point of views on the issues. but if there is a lesson to be learned here, it is to HOLD OUR OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE. nothing can make there mistake right. they turned their backs on you, the voter yet again.

      "It's clear that the Clinton supporters have the votes
      on the rules committe and on the credentials
      committee."
      WestCoastMessenger | May 31, 2008 4:11:11 PM

That would be the wrong conclusion to draw.  The problem is that Obama doesn't have the power to force the Clintons' camp to accept a fair deal and come out and endorse it as fair.  (They DO have the votes to ram what they want down the Clintons' throats, but that's bad politics; Hillary is looking for a grievance, and the Obama people are trying to figure out how to not give them one.  So far the Obama people aren't having any luck with that; Hillary's people are past masters at being aggrieved.)

Clinton supporters have more in common with Mc Cain than they do Obama.

There are millions of pro life democrats .

There are millions of democrats who think we need someone with experience , not empty suit hype.

But most of all, the Clinton democrats do NOT want some clown in the white house with his freaky preacher and angry wife.

We dont want the black panthers, Al sharpton, Jesse Jackson and every other freak group crying RACISM if anyone dares disagree with Obama.

Americans simply dont want to deal with all that balony. They just want someone who knows what they are doing.

cgeast...

how can millions of democrats be pro life and still vote for officials who support abortion? i dont understand that one. also, universal health care dosent work. had to throw that one in there too.

The Obama supporters never seem to justify what a 'fair' conclusion is.

The logic they use as ground rules isnt fair.

The VOTERS are whats the issue here. Not Obama and Clinton.

Any resolution that does NOT take into account what the VOTE was is a waste of time altogether.

They might as well simply not include them at all.

Give some delegates to michigan and florida so it looks good on TV that they are at the convention as SPECTATORS , but had no say in it whatsoever.

So far the Obama people aren't having any luck with that; Hillary's people are past masters at being aggrieved.)
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I tend to agree, but I am not sure how far Hillary can carry it. There comes a time when the Party has to say stop. If she does too much damage they all suffer.