Poor Conyers. Don't he know rules apply only to little people. And they aren't gonna apply to Rove.

Speaking of Rules applying only to the little folks, what's the deal about not seating the delegates from Michigan and Florida!?!

The rules are clearly inconvenient at this point. And this wrong must be righted by changing the rules.

They absolutley need to seat these two states, but how is the questions. Should their be no penalties? if so, does that mean the states can now choose their own voting date...I don't have an answer.

Joaquim

If by witch you mean criminal...yeah then it is a witch hunt.

Are you seriously defending the architect who gave us with Bush, Cheney Rummy and the Committee for Liberation of Iraq...the war, and all the crap they are leaving with...

I am sure historically this is only the first of the crimes to be uncovered.

He should think of this as a warm up.

The answer is the rules must be followed. BOTH campaigns agreed to them from the start. If the rules are tossed at this point, why have rules?

Since Karl Rove openly discusses issues on public airways I really want someone to tell me how Executive Privilege will stand the test against a Congressional suppoena?

Witch Hunt? You gotta be kidding. That is all the Bush administration has done for the past eight years - if not worse, and Karl Rove was right in the middle of it. He is a big boy, so don't worry Joaquin, he can afford the best attorneys to defend him.

If executive priviledge applies, I'd be surprised. Maybe we could talk to the state trooper who gave George W. his first DUI unless he is also covered by E/P.
Further, illegal acts have no priviledge.

Cool lets hope Rove and Bush do get away with murder. This is a small issue compared to all of the feloneys Bill and Hillary committed. Now we have a x crack user running for president. Thank you Soros and Moore for financing him because if you 2 had not Hillary might just have won! Lets hope Bush pardons our boy Rove in the end if it gets to the end of the presidency.

Once the Bush Administration has left the White House, there will be no more specious and spurious claims to executive privilege to cover his lackies! Let it rain, let it rain. It's about time that justice is served.

Dano - When rule become inconvenient they must be changed. Everyone knows this.

The promise given was a necessity of the past: the word broken is a necessity of the present.

HIllary won the vote in two states (MI – FL) that are prohibited from allocating delegates to the nomination convention. As Long as Hillary won these states it does not matter that the candidates did not campaign there or if Obama’s name was even on the ballot. The Voters cannot be disenfranchised by their party, especially the Florida voters who were disenfranchised in 2000. Obviously, these inconvenient rules must be changed and these delegates must be seated.

Rules apply to little people. They do not apply to Rove and they don't apply to Hillary.

I wonder what will happen after November when in all likelihood congress and the executive branch will be controlled by Democrats. I would hope that investigations from the VPs energy commission to the bungling of the war (in all of it manifestations) would be undertook. But I fear that Dems would shy away from this course for fear of looking partisan. The facts are the facts and if high crimes and misdemeanors were perpetrated then they need to be brought to the light of day. If this costs the Dems some of their political capital then so be it. WE THE PEOPLE need to know exactly what went on in this administration and who knew about it.

He's an over-rated operative. Unfortunately, half of America believed the "terrorist hype." That's fine. November will be different!

Gonzales fires 8 US attorneys? Funny, when Clinton first came into office, he and Janet Reno fired 93 U.S. attorneys. Funny how nobody was outraged then. In fact, in the case of the investigation into the Whitewater deal, Clinton fired the Little Rock U.S. attorney. They replaced that U.S. attorney with a former law student of Mr. Clinton's. And, yet, they're trying to make hay on what the Bush administration did???

That is all this do nothing congress is good for..

MDB - I think others more qualified will comment on your remarks. When Clinton replaced the attorneys that is the perrogative of any newly elected President and it wasn't the first time. Bush didn't do it, but when attorneys didn't tow the mark Gonzales fired them not on something of merit, but in political retribution during service when they followed the law against the wishes on a political agenda - big difference I think.

I'm glad Congress is addressing our real issues. Because political posturing is so important to me. It really makes a real difference to the little guy. All this political posturing.

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Subponaed by the most ethical congress EVAH!

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I would love to see Bushie's little toadie Rove twist slowly in the wind. Better yet, let him rot in prison for the rest of his life.

How convenient the liberal mind is that that they can forget the Clinton fired 3 times as many prosecutors on his watch and there was know out cry about that. Hypocrits! These people server as political appointees on an at will basis. Get over it and enough of the Dem fishing expeditions, your just making yourselves look like the petty little people that you truly are. Concentrate on some real issues like opening up oil drilling and exploration in our own country so we can get of the OPEC roller coaster ride we find our country on. If you can't be part of the solution, get out of business' way so the market can solve the problem. But that would be to go again some of St. Marx's tenets wouldn't it?

In 2002 when Max Cleland was running for re-election Karl Rove designed ads showing Max Cleland's face after Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. The good old association factor harken to the days of McCarthism or to this day the Rev Wright events. Cleland lost. Karl Rove knows exactly what he does, he has given lectures and classes on winning by negative campaigning and the put them on the defensive. To even begin to claim Executive Privilege in this case is to insult the people of this great nation - while he banters forth on public airwaves and seems quite satisfied with himself and his conduct, there are some things the taxpayer has the right to haul him before Congress - we call that accountability. A word this Administration seems to think applies to everyone else, but them.

quincy:
I don't speak for Agnostic but for one the Valery Plame affair. He released classified information to people that were not authorized to have it (as a matter of fact I am not sure he was even allowed to know it, but I could be wrong). Just because it is difficult to convict oder that provision does not mean he did not commit the crime. The firing of US Attorneys for another (ongoing investigation).
I am sure you will agree that this administration has not be what you would call "open" so I will reserve the remainder of my time for when/if we learn more.

I hope they cook his goose.

I am an American. I believe in Open Government. I believe that Congress, the people's representatives, my representatives, have the right to inquire.

Karl Rove, with the acquiesence and support of our President, along with other LACKEYS, have severely damaged our country, in the name of PATRIOTISM and in the name of GOD.

I hope that the DEMS do the right thing and continue these investigations into the next term.

WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE.

Let's get PRESIDENT CHENEY NEXT.

I think Executive Priviledge holds true even after an administration is out of office, or can someone more informed correct me?
If it were not true, then I would have suspected more of Pres. Clinton's aides to have been called to testify after Pres. Bush came into office, but since it did not happen, that's why I think the priviledge holds on.

Frank,

No son, it is not about who got fired, it is about those who didn't and performed a bunch of dirty work for Rove

Warner Todd Huston: (what a fantastic Republican name) I think that has been Rove's MO thus far. If it continues, he may be waterboarded, right?

John Right,
Exec privilege resides with the president in office (as opposed to national securty which transcends administrations). The reason Congress did not go after Clinton administration people was 1) Dems held Senate 2)would have been seen as "bad pool" after the Bush v. Gore decision 3) Reps had put all their (or most of them anyway) eggs in Clintons basket when he was gone so was the thorn in their side (to mix metaphors.)
The potential difference after November is 1) the likely trouncing the Reps are going to take 2) the large number of potential actors that can be called to carpet (VP, Rove, Rumsfeld, bunch of folks at the DOJ to name a few).

Saying that Dems could go after some or all of these people is not saying that they will. They might do the math and figure it is not worth the effort. Once in power what is the point.

Did any of the other Admn. people testify? Aren't these rules just for those of us who aren't above the law, and not the executive branch? Most likely the Fox crowd will get a good laugh out of this and that's the last we'll hear of it.

Bingbong,
Would you be more content if I reference one of the David's from American Idol last night?

“An oligarchy is said to be that in which the few and the wealthy, and a democracy that in which the many and the poor are the rulers” edgy enough? (Hint: not one of the Davids)

The 5th. amen. will take a beating on July 10th.

You all are getting played, big time. You are The Rabble. The Democrats in congress issued this subpoena as political theatre. They know it, Rove knows it, everybody but The Ignorant Masses knows it.

They know that the firing of AGs was neither unusual or illegal. Bush could have fired them because he didn't like their socks.

WRT Don Seigelman, that whole thing is a farce as far as Rove's involvement is concerned. That the media repeated the nonsensical stories of this supposed "Republican Operative" without first doing the most basic of investigation into her story is telling.

So, by all means, get yourselves all worked up into a good lather, dummies. It amounts to nothing, as everyone in congress already knows.

"The dog barks, but the caravan moves on."

What has held the complicit Democrats back for so long? They received the mandate for change from the American people over a year and a half ago, and we have not seen anything we asked for. I guess they're running down the clock and justice will turn a blind eye on the criminal regime running things right now. It's kinnda frustrating not having any relief from the oppressive fascism taking hold, and the liars we vote in have taken impeachment off the table.

It's so sad that a nation of one people can divide over party lines. You'd think the Democrats and Republicans were North Korea and South Korea; North Vietnam, South Vietnam; the boys' club and the girls' club. Why can't we all be one, be team players and come up with the best strategy to fix the problems. Having the dems and repubs fighting all the time and trying to one up the other reminds me of spoiled brats out on the school yard.

Kim- good point.

Way to go!!! Rep. Conyers. I like you!!!

Rove has and continues to say all kinds of things about senator Obama; it's his desire, along with his sidekick, Sean Hannity to see that senator Obama don't win the White House.....So, Mr. Rove: now you should not spew out so much against the senator running for prez.....that's what you get for involving your tactics over the top....It's your turn to be called on the carpet bud.....

So what if it was political or when it occurred? It's the presidents RIGHT to do it when and where he wants. That is NOT illegal. Suck it up libtards. No jail for Rove today. Must suck to be so full of hatred all the time.

STEVE:
You are correct that a (new) president lets the US Attorneys go who served during the previous presidency. However, the midterm dismissal of seven United States Attorneys on December 7, 2006 by the George W. Bush administration's Department of Justice was unprecedented. Bush was dismissing attorneys who he had appointed and had been approved by the Senate 4 years earlier. It appeared that the Department of Justice and the White House were using the U.S. Attorney positions for political advantage. That is against the law. Allegations were that some of the attorneys were targeted for dismissal to disrupt investigations of Republican politicians. And some attorneys were targeted for their (failure) to initiate investigations that would damage Democratic politicians or hamper Democratic-leaning voters.
Critics say that the scandal had undermined both the integrity of the Department of Justice and the nonpartisan tradition of U.S. Attorneys.

Hmm, sure looks like the administration and their cronies were breaking the law, but when we have people with the answers refusing to answer, they have to be subpoenaed to get to the bottom of what was going on. Imagine that!

Appropriate Rovian philosophy, attack the messenger not the message.

I'm not keeping track, if it turns out that congressional subpoena trumps executive privelege, will that be the first loss on this score for Cheney and his minions?

BUSH< ROVE< CHENEY.

TRAITORS TO THE UNITED STATES.

On January 20th when Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rowe. etc all get handcuffed andted of to jail, let hope Barack Obama is in the group, that is unless he is arrested sooner, not later. He seems to be as guilty as Tony Rezko in the Chicago Combine mess. New and more complete info has come out in the last week. Obama knew exactly what was going on and helped it along.

tired,
I am sure you don't need my help but maybe you should ask pistolero about the military service of Bush 43, Cheney, John Ashcroft and because this thread is supposed to be about him, Rove.

D. Tracey:
Long before Fox came on the scene you liberals had ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, which spawned MSNBC, CNN and a myriad of other liberal TV outlets. You also had liberal friendly print outlets like the New York Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times and
The Boston Globe pushing your Philosophy on a daily basis.
Instead of attacking Fox, and yes, Rush Limbaugh, you liberals should start asking yourselves why it is that ONE TV NETWORK and ONE RADIO ANNOUNCER could be so effective combating so many liberal outlets.

Mike:
Seems that can be answered quite simply. Something Nero even knew. Hate sell better.

Dear quincy,

The only way we can prove who was responsible for the following:

1. What went into crafting the US Energy policy for the Bush Administration.
2. Who was responsible for the deliberate manipulation of the Terrorist Threat Levels to influence the 2004 Presidential election election.
3. The identity of the individual(s) responsible for the illegal release of an active CIA operatives' identity to the press.
4. Other high crimes and felonies known and unknown to the public.

is to ask the people involved under oath. Rove was involved at all levels of the Bush administration in shaping policies and guiding election strategies. If he's not responsible for the above and more, he knows who is. No question there.

No one is above the law - at least in theory. Until the Bush Administration, where convicted felons are absolved of everything but their conviction for lying under oath, the only way to find the truth was to ask. And, at least, when Bush is no longer in the Oval Office, his ability to commute sentences will be gone and we may finally find out who was responsible for Bush's failure to protect and defend the Constitution as the oath of office he took requires.

Karl Rove needs to answer some questions. I seriously doubt he'll do it truthfully. We may never know the truth. But if we find out he lied, at least we can put him in prison for lying about what he knows. Considering what he and his cohorts have done to America (And if you don't know there's no point in telling you now), it'd be a Pyhrric victory at best, but better than letting him get away with it all.

It has always been my understanding that a court writ such as a subpoena must be answered in person. He does not have to testify if he so chooses as he can plead the fifth. Now why must I appear for any subpoena and not he? Is he a better American than I? I don't think so, I served during wartime, and he like so many others of those flag adorned lapels did their utmost to avoid service.

Eventually some of this will stick to the wall. When it finally does, goodbye Mr. Rove. I say, wait until Bush is out of office before prosecuting the Monkey and his minions, so there is NO presidential pardons. BTW, Executive Privilege extends only to conversations with the President, and only those of a legal nature. Rove contends that he never spoke to Bush about the firings or about the Siegleman case, so....

More waste of time and money by the Do-Nothing Democrat led Congress. Conyers should be investigating the oil speculators, not Rove. Dems have created an Idiot Congress!!

Still waiting for the same committee investigate Pres Clinton's firing of more than 90 US attorneys...10 times the number yet no hue and cry. Clinton's decision (legal) is no different from Bush's (legal). So what's the difference? Oh, yea, that's right, Clinton is a Dem and they can do no wrong. Congress: where idiot men and women meet to screw everyone else's lives.

Bob, don't be stupid. The Clinton firings were no different than any other firings that take place when a new administration takes over from a different party. To simplify it for you Bob, go back and see the number of US Attorneys that were let go when Kennedy took over from Ike. When Nixon took over from Johnson, When Carter took over from Ford, When Reagan took over from Carter, You already know about Clinton, but check how many firings happened when Bush (the worst President ever) took over from Clinton, (The best President ever). Parentheses added to further enrage your warped sense of values. These firings were done by a Republican administration that appointed these Republicans to their jobs and not when a new administration took over.

deke33,
The independence of the judiciary! It has been tampered and played with, by all the leaders in the past. As Americans do we condone it, close our eyes and accept it or do we try to "EFFECT CHANGES" for all Americans. As a Native American, I am hoping some "CHANGES" are coming! Good CHANGES! Effective and Just CHANGES! Sincerely, Lake Hart, a Native American Writer.

The SMARTEST thing the people of the USA EVER passed was TERM LIMITS... THANK GOD we had the foresight that scoundrels like we have today might one day slither into the presidency.

Karl Rove is evil. There are no two ways about it. Sooner or later his skullduggery will come to light and all of his trashing of political opponents will be exposed. There is an old saying, "every dog has his day" and although criminals like Cheney, Rumsfelt and Rove have escaped being exposed, I trust in the providence of the Almighty that some day the evil they have done to people will come out into the open.

239 more days/5736 hours left for the BUSH WHACKER.

It's the fourth quarter and the Dem's have the ball, after sitting on their hands thw whole game.
Now they're gonna go on the offencive?
Pul-lease!

Has there been any reporting of what happened to the cases underway by the fired prosecutors? I think the out comes of such cases--were they just dropped?-- might be revealing. Anybody in the press have an answer?

Mike:
Seems that can be answered quite simply. Something Nero even knew. Hate sell better.
Posted by: BonVivant | May 23, 2008 12:27:27 AM

Typical, whenever a liberal is confronted with facts the natural reaction is always to lash-out with scurrilous attacks.
While labeling your Conservatives opponents as purveyors of “hate” might be all that’s required to negate “factual” arguments in liberal circles, it still doesn’t cancel out the “fact” that liberals have had total control of the media for the past 60 years and still haven’t convinced the majority of voters that your philosophy is right one.

Instead of attacking your opponents as “hate mongers” you should seriously examine your liberal philosophy to determine why, after 60 years of saturation, the vast majority of Americans still choose to reject it. But I guess why waste that time, huh? When you can use the Courts to ram-through whatever socialist doctrine the voters rejected at the ballot box.