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Some Post-West Virginia Stats
May 14, 2008 7:12 AM
ABC News' David Chalian Reports: There are 189 pledged delegates up for grabs in the remaining five contests (Kentucky, Oregon, Montana, South Dakota, and Puerto Rico).
There are 239 unpledged (super) delegates that are thus far uncommitted/undeclared according to the ABC News delegate estimate.
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is 140 delegates shy of the magic 2,025 number to secure the Democratic nomination. (That means he needs roughly one-third of the remaining delegates at stake to get the nomination.)
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., needs 74% of the remaining delegates at stake to capture the nomination with 2,025 delegates.
At this writing ABC News has allocated all 28 delegates at stake in West Virginia. Twenty (20) delegates have been allocated to Hillary Clinton and 8 delegates to Barack Obama. Sen. Clinton net gained 12 delegates for the night.
Compare that net gain to Barack Obama's 27 superdelegate net gain since last week's North Carolina and Indiana primaries and it shows you just how difficult the current political terrain is for Sen. Clinton.
Sen. Clinton ended up netting approximately 147,410 popular votes to her national popular vote total. (She was roughly 700,000+ votes behind Obama heading into this evening, so she is currently 579,643 votes behind Obama in the national popular vote in all nominating contests thus far -- not counting Michigan and Florida.)
The Clinton campaign will likely argue that they have regained the lead in the national popular vote because they like to include Florida and Michigan in their popular vote count, despite the fact that those contests did not count toward the nomination.
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James Carville FINALLY has it right:
""Everybody is going to be with Obama. I have an undated check written out for Obama. I'll send it when this is over."
Posted by: greg | May 14, 2008 7:34:43 AM
Let Hillary run. Remember, Dean said this is good for the party. And it's good entertainment for the Republicans.
Posted by: waggdogg | May 14, 2008 8:16:51 AM
Excellent win for Clinton! She won in ALL categories......I know a lot of Obama supporters will write this victory off. However, Clinton is continuing to demonstrate how unelectable Obama is with the blue collar working class voter....which, he needs if he plans on competing in the General Election, which, I doubt he will be the nominee. Hillary 08 !
Posted by: david from texas | May 14, 2008 10:55:59 AM
Anyone disappointed in the coverage of last nights results?
Of the 4 local tv stations in my area, only three news programs/networks
even mentioned the election and two of those didn't even bother with
giving any numbers. I know it is old news now and nothing is likely to
change the outcome but come on folks. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not some
Clinton supporter clinging to false hopes, I'm a Democrat that would vote for
ANY Democrat and I think it is newsworthy regardless of the eventual outcome.
Only the cable shows covered the results and that was, in my opinion, a real task for them. Afterall, it is clear
to me many of them didn't even won't to bother. Anyway, my point is: report the news
ABC b/c even Nightline only did a 10 minute blur. Usually NL devotes an entire
broadcast to the results - that's if you don't go over! Let the people decide what's
news, granted not many people are even paying attention anymore, the people can decide
what to watch or not - you all just need to report it period.
Posted by: Ami | May 14, 2008 12:11:04 PM
Of course florida and Michigan POPULAR votes should count toward the total. I believe the "punishment" for Fl and MI was not to have their delegates seated.
The popular vote shows WHO the PEOPLE want and that is an argument to use with the Super Delegates.
Another thing to consider in both popular votes and pledged delegates is the # that were achieved by Obama in caucus states, which are not representative of the general voting , and totally undemocratic.
Posted by: hello | May 14, 2008 12:18:36 PM
Who cares??? Obama will be the eventual nominee regardless of the remaining primaries barring an act of God or some compromising photographs getting posted on the Internet...
At this point all that Clinton is doing is making is more difficult for Obama to beat McCain. Actually, I think she is willing to throw the party to the wolves this year and make a comeback for herself in 2012!!!
hello stated the following: "The popular vote shows WHO the PEOPLE want and that is an argument to use with the Super Delegates. Another thing to consider in both popular votes and pledged delegates is the # that were achieved by Obama in caucus states, which are not representative of the general voting , and totally undemocratic."
Well, if the outcome in caucus states is somehow now undemocratic I would argue that the superdeligate system itself is also undemocratic. Al Gore recently alluded to "problems" with superdeligates...
Thus, you can't argue against caucuses yet boost the importance of the superdeligates just because you support Clinton. Obama won the caucuses because he was BETTER ORGANIZED than Clinton who was living in her own little fairy tale fantasy expecting that the nomintion would be hers for the asking!!!
Posted by: TommyReb | May 14, 2008 2:35:24 PM
Those states posted for Obama wins are not much when it comes to the big election in November. The Democratic nominee has to win in the states that are going to elect the President, the ones that Senator Clinton is carrying and winning. I think some of the super delegates behind Obama need to rethink and defect to the nominee that can beat McCain in November. That is what is going to put a Democrat in the White House again!
Posted by: Sonny | May 14, 2008 3:39:56 PM
The current campaign season at its beginning seemed to indicate that America was living out its creed, that all of us are created equal, that we had become a place where people were judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. The dreams of King and Kennedy had been realized in a beautiful irony 40 years after their deaths. Tragically, King's country and Kennedy’s party have rejected that dream.
The analysis of the WV's results both by Mrs. Clinton and the media emphasizes Obama’s failure to appeal to "white working class voters." The implication is that he is like them. The fact is that Obama is a product of the white working class. His values are working class values. His father contributed the color of his skin but his grandfather; a WWII veteran who worked to support his family and entered the middle class via the GI bill shaped the content of his character. Having achieved academic success (although burdened w/ debt as most children of the working class) Obama took up service of working people.
Mrs. Clinton comes of the relative privilege of the suburban business owning class. She became a partner in a corporate law firm and a Wal-mart board member. She condoned the sexual harassment that all too often befalls workingwomen who lack the protection of powerful men. She and her husband have made over 100 million dollars most of it from what my white working class father would have described as stuff no self respecting grownup should do.
The media have decided that she is the champion of white working people, while he fails to win them because he is so different from them. Obviously, it is not the content of his or her character. That leaves only the color of his skin.
Clinton, Rendel & her other supporters bear great responsibility for this. A decent Democrat might have made the "observations" (Uncle Tom Rangel) she did. But a decenthatemocrat or a decent American would have then deplored them. The media that have slavishly parroted this reasoning bear their share of the blame.
Very little responsibility goes to the decent working people who have been hoodwinked. If the media and the Clintons tell them that they should not trust some one because the color of his skin makes him so different from them that he cannot understand and represent them, if the media refuses to discuss what these two very different people have actually done of course the people are fooled.
We are better than this. We must do better than this. We have serious problems arising from electing the guy we'd like to have a beer with. Age, gender and skin color do not matter. Character and commitment do.
Posted by: Miri | May 14, 2008 3:57:27 PM
Quote: "However, Clinton is continuing to demonstrate how unelectable Obama is with the blue collar working class voter.."
How short the memory. While this is something Obama has to work on, and will (he's responded to every challenge throw at him thus far), some would like to forget that just a week ago he trounced Clinton in a big "swing state," and actually beat her among Democrats in Indiana. There's a lot of white, blue collar folks in Indiana and N. Carolina. It was only the Republicans voting for Hillary that gave her a 1.5% margin in Indiana.
Posted by: Patriot | May 14, 2008 7:21:18 PM
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