Democrats will be United.

I could careless of what Hillary supporters state on blogs and articles...they WILL vote Obama.

And I say so b/c, after the first Obama/McCain debate... our choice will be clear.

This nation needs a new path and McCain only offers the path Bush has lead us.

Operation Turn Down!!! like you need to understand what that is girl, this has legs and its growing.

what is operation turn down????

Operation Turn Down is ridiculous. Say it works. Do we get to blame you when McCain appoints a Supreme Court that overturns Roe? Because I will. Hillary has faced some sexism in this campaign, but it's nothing compared to the racism and rumor mongering Obama has endured. At the end of the day, he won, she lost and we're all Democrats. We need to stop this ridiculous name calling and get it together.

I love that lone Hillary supporter! Given that the Obama camp is so vicious, he was brave. Good for him.

As for the post that said Hillary supporters will vote for Obama, not gonna happen. Not in November, and not in this life. Not ever.

Obama's Website says he'll negotiate with Iran... "unconditionally
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This is BS.

Obama08

There have been many Obama supporters who have heckled Hillary Clinton during her rallies and so I dont see why he is so annoyed by it.

Vanessa:

You are being delusional. I will NEVER
vote for Obama. Even if a dream ticket is proposed, I will NOT vote for Barack Obama. Only Hillary or McCain, or maybe, Nader.

How rude and divisive for John Edwards to endorse Sen. Obama on the day after Sen. Clinton’s West Virginia primary? Then in the same breath talk about “party unity?” This is very typical of Obama campaign. Talk endlessly about high ideals for America and then take a real “low road!” Is this the “new politics” that Sen. Obama is promising us? But I have to tell you if our now “presumptive nominee” Sen. Barack Obama is going to be the “real” Democratic nominee, sadly, another “George McGovern” fate tragically awaits the Democratic Party. It’s heartbreaking to watch the DNC self-destruct and its super-delegates squandering the distinct advantage they have to re-gain the White House in 08. But don’t be surprised; knowing the fact that DNC houses the longest list of losers of any American organization! The impending Democratic presidential loss to John McCain has to be blame on the same old politicians who have never won presidential elections, calling the shots for DNC, and fumbling the chances: Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Tom Daschle, Bill Bradley, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and as you know many of them ran for president and lost! Now they are all endorsing and supporting Sen. Obama. They are playing the same old loser’s game. That game is called the “idealism” game. These democrats have a penchant for being indulged in idealism, just like Barack Obama. As you know idealists like George McGovern never made it Washington. And many of them are examples of such idealist losers. All this has happened before. They all said they are going throw the bums out and clean up Washington. But they all lost to the Republicans. And when you at things in the light of what happened at the Democratic primaries in Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and in many other states, and especially when you look at the 41 point victory of Sen. Hillary Clinton over the “presumptive nominee” in West Virginia, isn’t it obvious Sen. Obama can’t win; he isn’t strong enough, his base isn’t wide enough; he has a very narrow but deep base, but not good enough to win a presidential election. He has failed to get the support of women, so called “Reagan Democrats” or working class white voters, rural voters, labor union households, Latinos, older Americans and so on; you know in spite of the media spin and promotion Sen. Obama is no more better than another George McGovern or Mike Dukakis! We all know that Black American and city liberals never won presidential elections for democrats. Sen. Obama had successfully maneuvered himself to be the front runner, with a help of zealots in caucuses states to get most of his delegate numbers. No matter how many congressional seats they win in the fall 2008 election if the Democrats fail to win the White House, the situation that we have right now─ with President Bush vetoing everything ─isn’t going to change. The unfortunate thing for the Democratic Party in this election cycle is that they have a presidential candidate who really can’t win. Besides there’s even more bad news. Remember, just before the general election in 2004, Massachusetts judge sanctified gay-marriage, which galvanized the conservation vote resulting in John Kerry’s defeat and George Bush narrow win. Just the same way now that California Supreme Court decision allow gay-marriage would surly bring lost of social-conservatives to 2008 polls and ensure the defeat of Barack Obama, just as it happened before. The Democratic party it known for its capacity for “Snatching the defeat out of the jaws of victory.” Sen. Obama can’t even change the defeatist dynamic of his own party and how can he propose to save America from its continuing decline?

He wasn't annoyed by it, his supporters were. He handled it well, although the Hillary supporter being the type of people we are silently made their statement, while Obama supporters are obnoxious buffoons.

As to the professional poster Vanessa who is so sure, along with CNN talking heads, that Hillary supporters will just do what they're told and vote for the Dem nominee, no, we don't vote for just any left wing radicals the DNC has chosen to run the country.

I say Obama should just go back and straighten up the Chicago southside and figure out who owns his backyard now that Rezko is on trial and transferring Obama's backyard around like it's a $625,000 hot potato bought by a Syrian and paid for by Saddam's bagman Auchi.

Well, now that I mention, it is a hot potato, or will be by the time the 527's tell the public what the talking heads won't tell them.

But in October. Over and over.

No, won't be many people voting for him and his Muslim criminal connections. Not to mention Farrakan and I don't know how many Muslims converted to Black Liberation Theology, good golly, yeah, that's who working class America wants for their president.

rd

Hillary has said she will go on until everyone has voted...and Obama say's he's having a party on 20th to celebrate being a Dem' nominee, say's who?! How arrogant can he get! He has no respect for Hillary, or the party! His comment regarding celebrating negates the fact that States are still to vote, plus DNC decide on the 31st about FL & MI, but is he concerned, NO WAY!!! He thinks he's UNTOUCHABLE and his smugness makes me so very angry!
What he forgets is that the States he won will revert to Republican in the GE! He's also ignoring the fact that super delegates can change their minds, right up to the point that they vote. He thinks Edwards endorsement of him helps get the white working class vote, and it will take much more than that!
I believe Hillary can do it! Especially when you have the McCain campaign gunning for him and the Rezko trial will show his links with all the corruption he's linked to. Hillary has all the swing States and only she can win the GE to be the first Woman President!

Well, as soon as this hits the MSM you'll see another switch a roo....right back to Hillary Clinton.

Anyone that cares about our country will take the time to read this. It's our political "cesspool of corruption".

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_evelyn_p_080512_curtain_time_for_bar.htm

Keep posting Emily...you're the only one who obviously researches (unlike dead-in-the-head Fred).

Barack Obama has upheld the Democratic Party's principle of the "Big Tent." Clinton has put a circus in it.

Im an registered democrats, but vote for mccain on general election. I am so sick all those old dems who go behind OBAMA now, they think the can win. Our family would vote for mccain, unless if hillary is a nominee,

I'd like to invite Hillary supporters to join me in writing in Hillary's name in November. If you truly believe she's the best person for the job, then let's give her our support in November. We've already lived through two terms of Bush and survived. It can't get any worse.

I was t hinking of Votign Mccain if Obama gets the nomination but the truth is despite what the Obamabots say Hillary is undesputably ahead in the popular vote and if FL/Mi arentcounted she will have the right and the backing to go independant and in a 3 or 4 way race in November Hillary Clinton will clean Obamas clock once again... this guy and these supporters think they have it but they dont even have a clue! THe media is starting to wonder about this guy....if he loses badly in KY that will be a rebuke he cant deny no matter what Oregon does and that will be closer than NC! I am fed up with Obamabots the people who know about american history,government and the electoral process are now takign over goodbye obamasnits!

CJ I have no idea what Operation Turndown is but I'm assuming it's Clinton supporters who won't vote for Obama. Your point about Roe vs. Wade is something I've certainly considered but in all honesty I'm not too concerned about McCain in regards to the abortion issue. If McCain were to get in and have the opportunity to appoint a Supreme Court justice the Senate has the right to approve every nomination by a majority. Rarely do they reject a nominee but it has happened for example two of Nixon's choices were rejected. Even if Obama does not win the Presidency I have no doubt that the Democrats will do extremely well in the November election this year. I would think an overwhelmingly Democratic Senate will be cognizant of the Roe vs. Wade issue. The make-up of the Senate is as important as the Presidency when it comes to Supreme Court Justices. If Obama were to go back to the Senate one would have to question whether he would reject such a nominee because he comes from the perspective, as do some other Senators, that the President has the right to make his own appointments. Obama approved Condoleeza and defended his approving Casey on those merits. Republican appointees are have a tendency to be more diverse then the Democratic appointees have been. An example would be on the issue of whether it was constitutional for the State to prohibit partial birth abortion all of the Democratic appointees said no and with the Republican appointees half said no and half said yes. What's important is whether a President nominates someone who is restrained enough to just interpret law rather than change it.
McCain supports stem cell research which does not make him the darling of the pro-life groups. In fact the far right is just as concerned about McCain appointees as the Democrats are. McCain has pandered to the far right in recent years ,no doubt due to his Presidential aspirations, but issues such as abortion and gay marriage are just not his issues (his issue is foreign policy) and I would be very surprised if there were a litmus test in regards to abortion for McCain appointees, in particular since given his age he will possibly not be a two term President. I think the abortion issue will be a scare tactic used by the Obama camp towards those Clinton supporters who are contemplating jumping ship but many of your Clinton supporters are older women and while no doubt they have had a strong committment their entire adult lives to reproductive rights the abortion issue may not be what tips the scale this time in their Presidential choice. While I totally respect anyone's choice to vote for Obama, I would hope that his younger voters take his message of "change from the bottom up" to heart and utilize their enthusiasm and energy in the most effective manner by getting involved in causes they believe in or want to maintain rather then placing all of their faith in either one individual Democrat or one individual Republican. When you look at the most important changes that have occurred in this Country, in which the young have been the benefactors of and even Obama, those changes have come from a collective of like-minded individuals who had the courage to stand on their convictions and got out and made their voices heard whether it be civil rights, women's rights or reproductive rights, gay rights or ending a war .

Voting for Hillary is not a racist act, of course. But the margin that she one in West Virginia (a margin she has not come close to in any other state) can only be explained in one way - and we have polling questions to prove it. SHAME ON WEST VIRGINIA and shame on die hard Hillary supporters that are not offended by people afraid of voting for a "Black" candidate. Keep making excuses folks. You are on the losing side of history, finally! You will look like those pics of White folks yelling at forced integration in the 50's. We all look at them now with sadness and pity. Just wait.

Operation turn-down explains why the US middle class will be extinct in four years -- go for it -- I am sure that the tax for the top 1% won't impact your families --NOT!!!!!
By the way you should research "projection" While Obama may not be perfect I doubt he ever called his wife a "cxxx" in public. Look who brought Obama up -- his mother - he is his mother's child. I am sure mild mannered military McCain will be just as collaborative and empathic as Obama.. NOT!!! Talk about a low level of rational thought

Joel

Its not gonna happen... WVA is not racists... she won in nearly every demographic again... you will not deny us period! We will take it national as independant and beat you to piecces Obama and the surrogates suggested it was race in the beginning it was not made race by the clintons ever... Obama is an amateur and should not be president this is not about race ... we will not abide reverse racism LEAVE!

Catleya

This thing is turning around toward Hillary .. even on the most hardcore Obama networks today they were getting a little exasperated! it was our fault to let him take advantage to begin with but we will finish this! Obama will not be president!

GRA

you all, and Obama himself playing up the single mother thing with obvious present day contradictions to the narrative will backfire! I guess if you hear somethign over and over enough you begin to believe it but dont you are about to be let down!

Those worried about every little word Obama says, well, none of them, come time to be president are going to be able to have things fall the way it's envisioned today. What tomarrow brings is a long way off. As for barack's arrogance, show me a leader, superstar, hero or anyone constantly in the limelight and I'll take a little arrogance any day as it's necessay part of a confident leader.

I appreciate many Hillary supporters saying here that they won't vote for Obama in the GE, and I'm one of you!!! Yes, we need to have such a tenacity to stand up strong for our belief. Hillary is the best candidate who cares deeply for the American people and has a strong record of fighting for the country. Obama is just an opportunist who promote himself by making empty promises and raising false hopes. The majority of the democratic party has been mistreating Hillary and shown no respect for her. This party's nomination system is a joke. I can't believe such undemocratic caucuses system actually exist! I can't believe this party allows Obama bribe those superdelegates in order to get the nomination!!!

Screw them up! We need to pay them back and hopefully they'll learn a big lesson in the fall.

It is politics folks. Here is how it works. Someone wins, someone looses, then they compromise.

This blog sounds like the Congress and the White House where nothing has been accomplished in 8 years.

Might be that couple hundred of you will carry through maybe even a couple of thousand, so what?; it will make no difference. The only thing you will accomplish is remaining angry.

Obama08

Awesome aall the super delegates should step up and be counted so we can unite the party and start the process or Reclaiming America.

Vote OBAMA 2008

Anne and Cici are dead on and all you Obama snots will be very sorry because either in the nomination process or the GE Obama will be soundly defeated the SD do not have to go with popular vote .. and that argument is moot because Hillary will have the popular vote! and Hillary can and will crush you in a GE 3 or 4 way matchup... theyve done the numbers, theyve had it planned all along and all you young, and rich elitist obamasnobs will pay and cry in the end believe me it will happen!

Fakebama
you may say that and Mr $400 haircut breck boy.. isnt going to reverse the working class vote for Obama

Anne

Im not sure Freud or any psychologist can help Obama and his Obamateam

catleya

yea did you see the medias fake surprise today abotu the women taking out a full page ad in USA Today.they didnt know peopel could be this fed up with a subverted process!

are you guys real? You would sell your freedom for anger? Boy am I glad I am an Independent. Are group has been waiting for a change in Washington. I guess you are telling me that if you don't get your way I might as well stay home? Is this what you want? Is Mrs. Clinton more important then America? Is Obama the most important? I am sick of this when you all grow up let me know. Until then we can be at war another 4 to 8 years, you can pay higher taxes so the rich get richer and the middle class moves to a point they don't exist. OK as long as you like others making your decisions I will go along with that. Thanks

Are you better off today then you were in 2000? In 2004? Is America better off? Be careful how you answer, your phone is being tapped and, on the say so of the executive branch, poof, you're gone. Remember, the Republicans have kept you safe from abortions and from being forced to marry a homosexual and made sure that you can say "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. So, as you give up your home because of the unregulated mortgage industry, show your appreciation and Vote Republican. It Can't Get Any Worse!

Independant

Hillary or Mccain no other candidate will do!

thebob

it maybe cannot get any worse but Obama will not do any better! accusing Clinton and now Mccain aof what he himself is doing is farsical at best!

When Hillary had a protester at one of her meetings waving a sign, the Secret Service frog marched him out of the building and intimidated him for forty five minutes. Obama was pretty cool about this.

For the angry Hillary supporters, I have a suggestion. How about if all of you get together and make a list of everything that Obama has done that you feel was hurtful to Hillary personally, including his official surrogates on news shows. We'll do the same about Hillary and her official surrogates. But neither side gets to count unofficial supporters who the candidate has no control over. Then we submit our lists to a neutral judging panel to decide who was more unkind/negative. We decide before hand what the loser has to do to make it up to the winner, but it can't be government policy. That's for elections. The prize might be eating a humble pie. Or doing the other's yard work. Or something else that just gives recognition for the humiliations suffered. Think about it.

ok let me state the facts. My choice is Obama or McCain do the math. You Democrats have some strange rules. I don't understand them, but I am pretty good at math.

Do you have any unity in your party or is Hillary owed the nomination? Like I say you need to explain the rules? so you I take it are willing to torpedo your own candidate just to wait four years and see if you can get Hillary elected in 2012? By then the rules will change.

I don't understand fill me in are you willing to give up your freedom to get a woman elected? Is this that important?

are you voting for a woman or a President? Are you willing to let a party that has nothing to run on win the White House? and if she doesn't win in 2012 then what? Why have parties? That is the reason I left the party during the Regan years.

right on magda!!! that is why hillary should run as an independent, or all of us write her in on the ballat . we don't want a bigot in office.

Hillary ran and lost do you think she is going to run as an Independent?

do you guys do your homework? Do you read about where they stand on the issues? Hillary and Obama are not far apart? I don't understand your brand of politics? you all revert to name calling? Do you think the numbers will change if you call names and say give me my toys I am going home if I can't have my way? Is Hillary that much better? She couldn't run her campaign? If she had run a good campaign then I think she might of won?

I could care less what McGovern thinks. Obviously, his ideas were rejected many years ago...he is wrong to back Obama because he has not won important swing states where he outspent Hillary 3 and 4 to 1. If he can't beat Hillary under those circumstances, then pray tell how is he going to beat McCain in those conservative-leaning states? Whether it's race or lack of experience, or sleazy and outrageous associations with Rezko and Wright, whatever, Obama possesses many negatives which could easily bring on his defeat. Hillary has all the necessary ingredients, except that she is a woman and this makes her iffy...but she, of all the candidates in the whole race, knows what it is like to be in the White House. She has advised a sitting president and she has demonstrated over and over again in debate after debate that she can handle the job on Pennsylvania Ave.

Carlasue

I have been on here since the Obamabots complained that ABC was biased against Obama in the last debate that is as dumb as it gets! Obama shouldve been run out of the race a longt ime ago and run out of the senate on a rail... he hasnt done anything and would be powerless to do anything as president... Democracy will not be subverted... Hillary will be back and will win and justice will prevail!

I repeat again I am no part of your party. I looked into the Rezko charges and Obama is not there. I don't understand this gotya politics. What has happened to issues? Rev. Wright has a right to lead his church in his way. He has done may good things for his Country. How are you to judge Obama by his minister? Have you looked into Hillary and the people she meets with in Washington. So she meets with them. Do you have a problem with Hagee or Parsley? or is this a race thing? I am white male Independent and am not swayed by character assassination. I guess we have parted ways when politics becomes more of a caracter issues then one of our freedoms or what is best for our Country? I guess we are a lost cause.

Hillary didn't loose, yet.
It would be fun if she run as an independent but I don't believe she would do that.
It's not about a woman. It's about the woman, it's about the candidate that I believe would be the best for the job. Putting a woman on Obama's ballot would not help him, it'd probably hurt him.
I am an independent Hillary supporter and I don't like the dems nomination process.

Democratsunited

you Obamabots are united as one... and no one will join you... there is no argument you can make the general public who know the gavity of elections and their meaning and what the constitution says about said elections etc ... and how the DNC is going along with the "50 state strategy" that will not win Obama 5 states nationally in the GE! We will not permit this anymore... we the responsible electorate that have made our voices heard will prevail and put your ill dfated aspirations to rest once and for all!

Magda

the clinton people already did the math on the Clinton indepenxdant run and she olls the best ... way over the top in fact in that scenario... these Obamaphiles wont know what hit them... and they deserve it if they didnt learn the process!

american vet

we are not republicans... we are mad as hell true democrats and independants that will not permit this subversion.. Hillary will be given the nomination by the SD's at the convention or she will go independant and slam both Obama and Mccain... you better believe it will happen... I suggest you not interfere!

well I have to be honest. I will vote for Hillary or Obama as they are the closest to my issues. I will not bite off my nose to spite my face. I just don't understand your party. ncdem and magda McCain has nothing to run on. to vote for him is a vote against my children and grandchildren

Two-Cats,

First of all, I am going to assume that you are an intelligent person because your post did not contain the insane dribble and useless Obama bashing that normally pops up on these boards.

Now, to address some of your points.
First of all, it is grossly offensive to concentrate your battles in only the swing states. Its offensive to the rest of the states. We live in the United States of America. Not the United "Big" STates, or the United "SWING" States. Hillary made this mistake before and it cost her the nomination. She only focused on the big States. I would also add that states like New York, California and Michigan are True Blue States. There is no reason to believe that those states will not vote for the nominee of the party as they have in the past.

Secondly, You bring up all of Obama's negatives, saying that the republicans will use that against him. Why do you fail to acknowledge the entire host of Clinton negatives? Did you know that the GOP was rallying a massive attack machine specifically designed to take down Hillary? They even had a nice smear movie that was going to be released. It was called, "Hillary, The movie". The point is, No one is perfect. No matter who the nominee was going to be, the GOP would have found something - anything to use against them.

McCain has his share of problems that will be surfacing soon. He has already been caught up in lies. His lobbyist campaigners have some extremely bad ties and he too, has some pastor bigotry problems. They are about to be unleashed on him soon.

If we are to beat the GOP machine, we have to be United, Not divided.

Independant

there are a majority of democrats who say they will not vote for Obama and therefore he will not become president but if the process is subverted you better believe we will elect mccain to keep Obama out!

ncdem,

Do you think she is ready to do that?
That'll be awesome.

I can not believe that you ncdem would cast great pain on our Country for selfish reasons? Are you telling me 300 million people must suffer for your righteousness? are you serious? you can't be that small minded.

Democratsunited

we are going to beat the GOP machine and you will not be a part of the process!

Independant

riteousness it is and not just myself... we will not permit it if someone doesnt speak up I will... this man Obama cannot become president anyway

ncdem,

First, let me ask, does the NC in your name mean Nort Carolina? You must have been hurt when that state went heavily for Obama.

Second. Obama is polling well in a lot of states -- including some of those red states that Democrats have problems winning. He may not win most of thos swing states, but some of the other state will be turning blue.

I know that there is nothing I can say that will convince you, but the voters have spoken.

Third, your assertion that Hillary will run as an independant is not only false, but simply outrageous!!! Lieberman tried that same tactic and look where that got him. She has PROMISED to compaign for Obama should he win the nomination. That would be another one of her LIES if she ran as an indy wouldn't it?

Then, she would have NONE of her support from the DNC and would have to return any money that was raised for her through the DNC. Het big DNC donors would cut her off and would sue her to get their money back because that thought they were contributing to a democrat--not an independant. Given how broke her campaign is already, she would be forced to use her own money.

Naww, she will be a good democrat and campaign for Obama when she loses. Plain and Simple.

Have you done any research on Hillary? I suggest you do before you try to subvert the process. Think .... that would do us all some good

DMK

yes we must do something liek that to show we are serious...at least the obama people think they are right and have pages of useless talking points but we know we are right!

independant

all you have done is research on on Hillary to subvert the process... dont say what you are doign then blame us.. it will not be stood for anymore!!!!

Carlasue

absolutely none of the people on the extememes of democracy want change because it will hurt them financially ... Gore tried to be populist but the republicans called him sortof a pansy... now they are being queit in hopes that Obama gets elected thats not gonna happen! nobody but real centrists want real change and its not just a slogan

SO NCDEM,

how will you beat the GOP Machine??

Also, you are lying when you say that democrats will not vote for Obama. Why does he poll better than Clinton in every single National Poll released? WHy does the national polls show Obama beating McCain from 2 to 7 points? I am sorry, but your logic is flawed.

Furthermore, What is your problem? DO you have a problem with democracy? Why can't you accept that more people voted for Obama and that's that? That is the American Principle in which this COuntry was founded. Where was all this outrage when Bush stole the election in the year 2000? Democracy has taken its course, and when you Include Michigan and Florida, Clinton will still be behind, with no chance of catching up according to a recent AP article.

SO, I ask, if the people have spoken, what is your problem?

ncdem,
you are right. people are afraid of change. but in the long run it would not hurt them finacially because hillary would choose to save the working class and poor from higher taxes and expenses. i know what you are saying....gore, and kerry tried what we are talking about...but they didn't quite make their mark. hillary nails it right on the head.
if obama gets elected the dem nom, watch out everyone...our economy and world respect will go down the toilet.

Independant
nah thats just what the Obamafiles told you to say!

tj, dmk, you guys know what you are talking about. it is simply about values in our country. they have all benn lost through the bush years. dmk, i also wrote the 'great' dean and expressed my opinion as well. obama does NOT represent the backbone of what america is. hillary does. and that is why i am standing beside her all the way. thanks.

DMK

Good for you... yeah Iand I know what you mean about Dean I dont think he read a letter that countless Hillary delegates sent to him about Mi and FL but the DNC has organiztional rules but they cant subvert the constitution and anyway Hillary still beats Obama in their rules if the superdelegates do their real duty as an independant judgement.

carlasue

because Obama walks and talks like a democrat but everything everything is tongue in cheek because he never really was that impoverished!

guys, can we really count on the supers to do their job? this is what i find so heart breaking. i don't think they do. they are almost like a herd of sheep following the leader, and believe me, edwards is not the leader.
i want to hear and hear loudly, the voices of michigan and florida in this election. we are not a democaratic society, process, and election, withouth all 50 (not 57) states being counted and heard.

Carlasue,DMK,TJ etc I think we all ought to be delegates demand to be delegates to the Dem convention or some other exibit of democracy for the republic! I will write a letter to Dean too but it might be more influential to show up!

DMK,

The link YOU pointed me to not only shows Obama ahead of Clinton, It shows Obama beating McCain by 4 points. What are you talking about?

Its your choice not to believe polls, but it is what it is. Obama has enough support TODAY to beat McCain--at leats in popular vote. So, I fail to see your point.

ncdem, right on. if you are going to talk the talk you better walk the damn walk! obama cannot do that. he is a hypocrite to society and the democratic party with all that has come out about him. shame on you obama. you are not about truth, and justice, you are about advancing yourself, and self-serving opportunity for your own satisfaction. shame, shame, shame.

ncdem, hell yeah, i will be a delgate. and believe me brother, i have a whole lot of relatives in the states of iowa and wisconsin that wish they could recind their votes, take them back, and vote for hillary. if all of what obama was and is came out when it should have, this election, and primaries would have been decided by a landslide. guaranteeeeeeeeeed.

Democrats United, I fail to understand your use of the term, offensive. I am not discounting any blue states. I assume that they will vote Democratic but it is possible some of them may not. I focus on the swing states because we have to win them or the game is up. Period. There is no reason to believe that any of the red states will go for Obama, the states where he got most of those popular votes he likes to brag about. Those states are going to McCain. That leaves the swing states and I don't see him winning there when he can't even beat Hillary spending 3 and 4 to 1.
As for Hillary's negatives, I know that many people don't like her or trust her; however, that didn't stop them from preferring her in the swing states. Plus, there is no conceivable reason to believe that the people who hate Clinton are going to like Obama any better. In fact, they are already showing how much they dislike him by their votes (remember W. Virginia) and in the comments you are reading here.

Carlasue and NCDem,

Uhh, Clinton was never Impoverished, and neither was McCain. In fact, Cinsy McCain is worth over 100 million Dollars. The Clintons have made that much in the past 7 years.

Obama may be rich now, but he was not Always rich-- with him having to use Student Loans to go to College.

Oh, and don't worry. FL and MI will have their delegates seated. But, they will be seated in a manner that does not change the outcome of the election---Not like they cpuld now, anyway.

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 17, 2008 4:15:08 AM

LOL... Do you realize how stupid you are?? You just proved something: the election outcome was predetermined! You just said it: But, they will be seated in a manner that does not change the outcome of the election. A Change we can believe in!

DEMOCRATS UNITED...some of what you say is true to fact. but please listen here....the GOP already has their strategy lined up against obama. they don't have a leg to stand on against hillary. change is a common word that is not always welcome, especially in a manufacturing enviornment. trust me i know. we need a president that can stand up to that dumb mc'can't, and lead the world to peace, and our country to prosperity once again!!! just like in the 90's when bill had office. go hillary.....

horray to Hillary supporter....show obama how brave you are because he's not brave but a wimp. If he is weaker than hillary and his wife, then that gotta make you wonder hiis weakness.

DemocratsUnited

You also need to keep in mind that there is only 27 perce