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June 26, 2008 12:48 PM

ABC News' John Santucci Reports: In her first public event since losing the Democratic primary, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton attacked the healthcare plan proposed by Sen. John McCain, and promised she would continue to fight for healthcare reform.

"It is absolutely unbelievable that the healthcare plan he has proposed would cause millions of hardworking Americans to lose the coverage they already have," Clinton said during a speech to the American Nurses Association convention in Washington, DC on Thursday. "So what ever issue you care about, what ever your passion may be, we have to join together and present a united front."

Hundreds of nurses cheered Clinton and held "Hillary for President" signs and wore "Hillary" pins.

During the primary campaign Clinton proposed mandated universal healthcare coverage for all Americans, and bashed then-rival Sen. Barack Obama's plan to create a national health insurance program for those who do not have employer-provided health, and mandate coverage for children. McCain has proposed "market-based solutions" to move away from employer-based coverage to insurance bought by individuals.

Clinton said many nurses came to her presidential campaign events. "Time and time again I expressed my appreciation to our nurses," she said. "While you and those you represent are working hard for us I don’t think we in Washington are working nearly hard enough for you."

The former first lady called on the group that had originally endorsed her "to do everything you can to help elect Barack Obama."  The ANA has not officially endorsed Obama. 

"I have seen his passion and determination and his grip and his grace, and in his own life he has lived the American dream," she said of Obama.

Clinton will be campaigning with the presumptive Democratic nominee Friday in Unity, New Hampshire, a town name she called "very appropriate."

"It is so remarkable and I am very proud of the Democratic Party and I'm very proud of my country that an African American and a woman were competing," she said.   

The New York senator promised the group she would continue to be an advocate for healthcare reform.

"I've been actively involved in America's politics in one way or another for, I'd hate to confess, 40 years.  Please, call out ask me how old I am?"

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Clinton may look as if she is supporting Obama, however, she did not give him her delegates when she suspended her campaign. Clinton has another agenda, one that will come forth at the Convention in Denver.

Posted by: david from texas | Jun 26, 2008 12:54:10 PM

It's another small step in Hillary's ongoing efforts to embrace Obama.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | Jun 26, 2008 1:02:34 PM

The obligatory daily "Clinton post".

Now we can read the same comments that are posted on every "Clinton blog".

Oh joy.

Posted by: Remington | Jun 26, 2008 1:09:53 PM

listen up people yor not just electing a president your electing an administration and you can bet your bottom dollar hillary will be part of that somewhere someway vote for mccain and guess what NO HILLARY!!!!

Posted by: angie | Jun 26, 2008 1:12:01 PM

Sorry Hillary, no can do. I simply don't trust Obama, he is already becoming John Kerry by waffling way too much, and I just can't get past the arrogance of he and his campaign. He said what he needed to in order to win the primary, now he's switching gears right and left (no pun intended, but he's heading for the middle now to win the general)

Posted by: dc | Jun 26, 2008 1:52:27 PM

Hillary is a smart person who does her homework. Having her serve in some way on Obama's administration would be nothing but a huge plus. So to vote for a guy like McCain who has nothing but the same old tired Republican bone to throw at you just because Hillary might serve on the Obama team is about the dumbest thing I can think of.

Posted by: Jake | Jun 26, 2008 1:59:09 PM

The only thing I have seen Obama change his mind about is campaign finance. The only reason McCain wants him to accept public financing is so he can pull Obama down to his level. Back when he talked about campaign financing he had no idea how well things were going to work with him getting the American people to finance his campaign through small donations. So naturally he changed his mind. Anybody would including McCain. So if you want the same old tired flip flopping, nothing to offer, always looking out for the fat cats like Bush then vote for McCain. But I think we can do better with Obama.

Posted by: Jake | Jun 26, 2008 2:05:23 PM

David in order for her to release her delegates she has to officially suspend her campaign

in which case she doesnt get to try to raise more money to get rid of the debt she incurred.

If you think shes going to come back and somehow get the nomination

your more then way off base, your in a swimming pool, the ball fields fifteen hundred miles away.

John mccain not being the republican nominee is far more likely then hillary becoming the nominee for the dems

Posted by: bhrandon | Jun 26, 2008 2:12:09 PM

David, will, dc,

Did you read the article? did you understand it? A vote for McCain is taking away health benefits from our employers and putting them fully in the hands of the insurance companies, We will no longer be able to have our employers pay for part of our health insurance,

I just went through this with my divorce, I had just returned to the workforce and my ex had just changed jobs so neither of us qualified for insurance for our son, yet we had to carry it, so we went through an insurance company, health insurance for our then 3 yr old with NO health problems was 200 + a month with a $20 co-pay at the Dr office and a annual deductible of $1000, that did NOT include prescriptions and did not include dental or vision.

Once I had been on the job long enough to qualify for health benefits my insurance for both of us ( through the same company) was $120 a month and a $15 co-pay for Dr visits and a $500 annual deductible, that included dental and vision.

This is what McCain calls a health care plan.

Posted by: Get Real | Jun 26, 2008 2:15:20 PM

We miss you Hillary. Nice job with the 18 million vores - more than anyone has EVER received in a primary.

2012!

Posted by: ch | Jun 26, 2008 2:18:59 PM

Pay attention Americans, here it is again in excerpts: "It is absolutely unbelievable that the healthcare plan he has proposed would cause millions of hardworking Americans to lose the coverage they already have," Clinton said during a speech to the American Nurses Association convention in Washington, DC on Thursday."

"McCain has proposed "market-based solutions" to move away from employer-based coverage to insurance bought by individuals."

Posted by: wooha3 | Jun 26, 2008 2:40:31 PM

No No No Hillary, This is absolutely disgusting on your part. you yourself pointed out Obamas lack of experience, and shady associations. You yourself said that you, and John McCain had a clear record to stand on, and that all Barack Obama had, was a speech. This is appalling, and you are the same.you have lost all respect from me. The DNC did you dirty, and so did OBama, and you go right back to doing their dirty deeds? Unbelievable I will surely vote for McCain. Obama has been out of the question since the day he joined a racist church, and remanined there for 20 years.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 2:44:09 PM

Badger1, if you don't want her speaking for Obama, and I don't either, help her raise the money to pay off her debt and let her start working for the next time. Or, just in case Obama bombs before the convention, she can be ready for this time. It would only take a few dollars from her 18 million supporters to pull her out of this.

Posted by: Ron | Jun 26, 2008 2:56:40 PM

Ron - The Clintons have plenty of money, plenty of investments, and plenty of rich friends. If she is selling her soul to the Obama campaign for money to pay off a debt, then she is no better than he. She should stand strong in her conviction, and principles. Instead she is pimping her self out to a lying, dangerous, sexist, racist politician, all to help pay off a debt? As Bill Clinton would say, "GIVE ME A BREAK, This whole thing a fairytale". The last person she should be trying to help is Barack Hussein (the creep) Obama.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 3:08:14 PM

"No No No Hillary, This is absolutely disgusting on your part. you yourself pointed out Obamas lack of experience, and shady associations. You yourself said that you..." blah blah, have you ever thought about it that maybe your candidate Clinton was just saying whatever she had to say to win and maybe she's the liar.

http://www.ReElectBarackObama.com

If a Democrat votes Republican can that person still be called a Democrat? Voting against your own interest as a woman is simply stupid. Go vote for McCain, he needs you.

Posted by: chrisnba | Jun 26, 2008 3:10:42 PM

chrisnba - I already know Hillary is a liar. BUT, she wasnt lying about Obama, that is for sure. McCain 4 President.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 3:12:54 PM

Would all you cynical conspiracy-minded haters just lay of the Clintons, HRC AND BO once and for al!!. As a life long Democrat I cannot see the point of splitting up the party with all of this hate and vitriol you are directing towards the candidate you didn't support. And as for the fool McCain supporters out there, if ANYBODY is guilty of ruining this country it's the Republican party. So leave go of your hate fellow Dems, open your eyes Repubs, and let's come together, like HRC and BO are trying to do, and make some changes for the better!

Posted by: Patriot Lady | Jun 26, 2008 3:24:09 PM

I can not back Obama because I just can not get past his flip flopping and I can not trust a man that is so far left as Obama is. He changes his mind with the wind. He has already started using the race card and I think this will backfire on him. Sorry Hillary I would have voted for you but I can not vote for Obama he is just not trustworthy. More power to PUMA.

Posted by: s4bo | Jun 26, 2008 3:24:32 PM

patriot lady - Sorry but this primary process brought all of the filth of the democratic party to the forefront.From the DNC to the Rules and Bylaws comittee, to Hillarys delusional "sniper fire" account to the Obamas 20 year BLC membership. Obamas broken promises, lack of credible experience , far left ideology, etc etc etc. The Dems are a disgrace, from Dean to Pelosi, to Dodd, and Obama. Their push to get Hillary out of the race weeks before the final state had even voted, proved that they arent about the people, but about their own greedy agenda. They disgust me.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 3:38:29 PM

Badger1, To some extent I agree, except that it is my understanding that her donors have maxed out, and she is already losing $11 million of her own money. I think she is considering the lessor of two evils. She has no chance of getting any of her platform passed with McCain in office. Maybe some with Obama. She is a party supporter even with the present leadership. She is absolutely the most qualified to lead the country and now we are faced with two unqualified pretenders. Rest assured, Hillary Clinton is doing whatever she thinks is best for the COUNTRY regardless of what the Obama and Republicans say.

Posted by: Ron | Jun 26, 2008 3:47:47 PM

Badger1, I totally agree with your post to patriot lady. If there is not a change in leadership, I will become an Independant before the next election.

Posted by: Ron | Jun 26, 2008 3:52:48 PM

Ron - it is an unfortunate situation all the way around., and because of that, I think alot of people are beginning to think "Independant" .

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 4:05:58 PM

In the Primary, Hillary kept repeating that Obama's plan was not universal and would leave out 15 milliion people. What has changed? The "change" artist?

Posted by: georgia | Jun 26, 2008 4:36:48 PM

I think the title should have read.."Clinton Called On to Nurse Back Obama"

Posted by: Manny | Jun 26, 2008 4:58:17 PM

McCain supporters, give it up. There's no way in you-no-what you're going to convince any of us to vote for someone that should be fishing from his rocking chair. Would you want your grandparent running the country? Even seniors don't think he should be win.

Posted by: voter100 | Jun 26, 2008 4:59:48 PM

This is one nurse who will not vote for Obama. John McCain should pick the Govener of Louisiana for his Vice President. he want's child molester's casterated but prefer's lethal injection..but i think he is a smart man..

Posted by: Jeanette | Jun 26, 2008 5:17:05 PM

I'm also a former supporter of Clinton who's upset that she's throwing her weight behind Obama. The reasons I voted for her and against Obama haven't changed. While I think Obama is a decent person and means well, I don't believe his under 4 years experience in the US Senate demonstrates to us what we can expect of him.

I get a kick out of people thinking their candidate is above lying to win the WH. Yes, we've seen it from Obama too people.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4375665

Posted by: MajorTom | Jun 26, 2008 7:01:40 PM

I notice alot of people are referencing McCains age in a negative stereotypical way.Does this mean that it is ok to reference Obamas race in a negative stereotypical way? What is the difference? Race discrimination, age discrimination? They are both wrong.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 7:39:20 PM

Nurses need to vote McCain, his healthcare plan was similar to Hillary's in that it does not leave out 15 million Americans. Do nurses really want to help put a pro-partial birth abortion candidate into office? I should think not, absolutely not. With Obama's plan to register women in the draft, do nurses support this - just say no and vote McCain!

Posted by: Dollie | Jun 26, 2008 7:47:26 PM

Please Hillary step aside. The county needs this election and you are just distracting the message!!

Posted by: Steve | Jun 26, 2008 7:59:30 PM

McCain also flip-flopped om the campaign funding issue or do some of yuu just choose to ignore that little tidbit? What's actually disturbing is the Swift Boat Media's complete indifference to McCain's bald-faced hypocrisy on the same issue. Amidst all the attacks on Obama's "flip-flop," how much have you read in the MSM about the fact that McCain has "completely reversed himself" on public financing -- and is currently breaking the law on a daily basis, making a mockery out of a campaign finance system he helped create?

In the fall of 2007, McCain opted into the public financing system for the GOP primaries, which meant he'd later receive just over $5 million in public funds in exchange for agreeing to a fundraising limit of around $54 million for the entire primary process, which ends when he accepts the nomination at the Republican National Convention in September.

By late November, his campaign was practically broke, so McCain took out a pair of $1 million loans, using the public funds he would receive as collateral.

Cut to Super Tuesday, when McCain had the Republican nomination all but wrapped up. Suddenly, he didn't want to be bound by that $54 million limit, so his campaign did a 180 and opted back out of the public financing system.

But as David Mason, the Republican-appointed chair of the FEC, has pointed out, you can't just unilaterally opt out -- especially after securing a loan based on having opted in. The response of the McCain campaign is quite simply to ignore Mason. And because the FEC currently lacks a quorum (thanks to stalling tactics by that human roadblock to reform, Mitch McConnell) that's where things stand, pending a ruling on a lawsuit filed by the DNC.

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 8:04:36 PM

Would someone please tell me what the Party is? Who cares about the party!! Vote for the person best suited for the job. The party care nothing about you except for your money. How can anybody trust Obama. I just don't understand.

Posted by: C Good | Jun 26, 2008 8:16:33 PM

C Good,

At this point, who's best suited?

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 8:21:45 PM

sandy - Funny how everytime your candidate gets exposed, you all point fingers back. NEWSFLASH SANDY!!! Obama is supposed to be the "NEW KIND OF POLITICIAN". He is supposed to be the "CHANGE WE CAN ALL BELIEVE IN" guy. He is the self annointed "SOUND JUDGEMENT" candidate.Unfortunately for Obama, Pastor Wright, Father Pfleger, and Tony Rezko, put that fairytale to rest. Sandy, please stop blindly following this wolf in wolves clothing. This guy is the epitome of slimebag politician. He is nothing but a persuasive talker, charmer, until you take away that teleprompter, and start asking the tough questions in an environment not controlled by the Obama camp.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 8:25:10 PM

Ron - The Clintons have plenty of money, plenty of investments, and plenty of rich friends. If she is selling her soul to the Obama campaign for money to pay off a debt, then she is no better than he. She should stand strong in her conviction, and principles. Instead she is pimping her self out to a lying, dangerous, sexist, racist politician, all to help pay off a debt? As Bill Clinton would say, "GIVE ME A BREAK, This whole thing a fairytale". The last person she should be trying to help is Barack Hussein (the creep) Obama.
Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 3:08:14 PM

Ummm, is this proof that you are a Rethug troll trying to cause your own little version of Operation Chaos? You don't like O and, apparently, you don't like Hill.

Posted by: KSKATTY | Jun 26, 2008 8:26:12 PM

Sorry, Badger, but seems you can point fingers but cannot take them pointing back at you. Immaturity at its best.

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 8:29:47 PM

Did I read this article right? It is, "Clinton Calls on Nurses to Back Obama", right? Why is there any mention of Rev. Wright, Father Pfleger, or Rezko? Rev. Wright is a RETIRED pastor, Pfleger was a VISITING preacher, and Rezko gave donations to all major candidates.

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 8:31:06 PM

KSKATTY - great observation! :)

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 8:32:00 PM

This is one nurse who will not vote for Obama. John McCain should pick the Govener of Louisiana for his Vice President. he want's child molester's casterated but prefer's lethal injection..but i think he is a smart man..
Posted by: Jeanette | Jun 26, 2008 5:17:05 PM

You may want to check out www.2theadvocate.com, we're about to recall old Booby Jindal, along with the legislators that just DOUBLED their pay and Booby refuses to veto the bill.

Posted by: Jan | Jun 26, 2008 8:33:19 PM

I guess PUMA is clinging to Maxi-pads, pantyhose, and lipstick!!!

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 8:33:28 PM

BruhMan - because these people only have hate to attack with - much easier to hate then post anything based on rational thinking.

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 8:35:47 PM

But Sandy, In one week , Obama breaks a big promise, denies Muslim supporters from sitting behind him in camera shot, and then disgustingly plays the race card, when he said, "oh, and did I mention he black" Where is this change we can believe in? Where is this " bringing people togther" ? 20 years in a racist church Sandy? You're ok with that? Why the double standard sandy? You think a white candidate being a member of a white liberation church 20 years,would have a shot at the presidency while he was still a member? No chance.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 8:38:18 PM

sandy,

Agree. Seems to me Senator ran a brilliant campaign. He wasn't my first choice 17-18 months ago. But, I must admit, I took to his message. I read his books, researched the (non)stories of Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and most recently Pfleger. I mostly enjoy the "empty suit" talk. For a man to graduate from TWO Ivy League colleges, become a Law Professor/Lecturer, state Senator, US Senator, author, husband, father, and first African American major party nominee...I guess we should all aspire to become so "EMPTY".

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 8:42:23 PM

badger,

He had nothing to do with those women not being allowed in that camera shot. And, who could blame him? I know you can imagine what kind of attacks would come. The opting out of campaign finance is a brilliant strategy. It sends a message that HE will defend himself, and not rely on 527/Move-on to do it for him. And, by telling supports he expects teh GOP's attacks to include "he's black", he's preparing the public for what is sure to come. Please don't tell me this is why you're not voting for him? You have that right, but it's based on nonsense.

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 8:47:09 PM

Badger - do not even get me going on McCain's flip-flops - the list is way too long for one blog. McCain broke his promise on campaign funding, is being sued because of it, and was criticized for his shanningans by the RNC chair. Senator Obama did not seat the Muslim women and did not know about it until after the fact, and he did not play the race card - that was Hillary's and Bill's card to play - it failed by the way. "And did I mention he is Black" was a brilliant political move - he pulled the Republicans rug right out from under them - Senator Obama negated the race card. Senator Obama is not perfect and will make mistakes as will his surrogates - I am just glad Charlie Black is not on his team. :) I love Obama's campaign team. Quick and lethal. You can talk all you want but Senator Obama is not going to be swift-boated by people like you or the Republican Party.

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 8:52:20 PM

badger,

Please tell us all the racist acts of Trinity United Church of Christ? Since you know so much. I am perfectly fine with him attending Trinity. Most poeple that post that crap don't even go to church themselves. Saturday night partying, drinking, and smoking...Sunday watching football, basketball, and ESPN. But, you're perfectly fine with that I guess?

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 8:55:11 PM

BTW Badger, this is the vision that is driving force behind Trinity Church:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.
Does not sound like a radical church to me.

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 9:01:43 PM

Wait a second , the last thing the GOP is going to do is attack Obama on race. That would be political suicide. That is not even an option, and never was. There is enough smut out on Obama from his shady affiliations, that his race is irrelvant, but l;ets keep it real, Obama is the one who chose the racially polarizing church. He chose black liberation theology. As for 527s, The Dems have Move-On, and they are well financed, and have already gone dirty. Obama played the race card, last week, and there is no getting around it. You can sugarcoat it, but the stench will permeate.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 9:03:58 PM

sandy,

This is a Fox News election. Instead of indiviual investment, we allow snippets, soundbites, and internet hoaxes pick our President. To assert that Senator Obama is not qualified based on three sermons by RETIRED REv. Wright, Bill Ayers releasing firecrackers at the NYPD Headquarters when Senator Obama was 8, or Rezko investing in land next to Senator Obama is absurd. What about Iraq, energy, jobs, economy, climate, healthcare, or OUR infrastructure? NO, we'd rather waste time on the superfulous BS. Twenty different variations of the same face, designed to keep us broke and in the same place. This isn't an election, this is psychological warfare!!!

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 9:09:48 PM

Badger - you really do need a course on political strategy - the Republicans were NEVER going to play the race card? Come on, get real! Senator Obama is a brilliant tactical player - he played the race card before they did and took that leverage away from the Republicans. He will NOT be swift-boated like Kerry was - Unlike McCain, who has old, has-been Bush people surrounding him as well as a foot-long list of lobbyists, Senator Obama has brilliant strategists - a true sign of a great, vision-oriented leader is having brilliant people around him.

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 9:11:38 PM

And Senator Obama squashed move-on. HE will be the one defending himself. When did Trinity become a racist church? I could see if you've had virgin ears and have not heard worse on the street. Come on, you can hear worse than Rev. Wright on HBO. That was the biggest non-issue I've ever seen. Plus, did you watch the ENTIRE sermon, not just the two seconds? I did, and I have absolutely no problem with it. And, I unashamedly, unapologetically support Senator Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 9:15:55 PM

BruhMan - you did bring up an important point - this is a race based on psychology and perceptions. People concentrate on BS because that is how MSM is playing it. Plus, many people putting down Senator Obama have no teeth to their arguments - just name-calling and slanders and nit-picking issues that have nothing to do with what REALLY needs to be done to get this country back on track.

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 9:16:47 PM

Shame on you sandy, I see you provided a edited version of the Trinity church, "about us" page. You know better, you know that if you replaced the word black with white, and Africa with Europe you'd have a racist doctrine here is the complete veresion...............We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 9:18:37 PM

badger,

Why is an issue when the African American community wants to speak for itself? Every major city has a Chinatown, Little Italy, Germantown, etc. But when blacks speak of working, shopping, worwhipping with and serving each other it's always an issue.

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 9:22:59 PM

....worshipping...

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 9:23:43 PM

I've seen major highways, streets, and gvernment documents in languages other than english, and we have a problem with a church dedicated to UPLIFTING the African American community? Come on, you can do better than that. WE can do better than that. AT SOME POINT WE WILL FINALLY BECOME THE "UNITED" STATES OF AMERICA!!!

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 9:26:35 PM

Bruhman - sandy is the one who brought up the Trinity church doctrine, but,,, sandy conveniently left out the part of the doctrine that is the most racially, and nationally divisive. As for blacks having the right to speak for itself, by all means, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If you took that doctrine and reversed black with white, and africa with europe it would be considered racist at best.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 9:26:48 PM

Badger1 - so a Black church has no right to speak for itself? If they do, and do good works, which BTW, Trinity Church does do in their community, that is a violation of someone's rights? Trinity Chirch is also affiliated with the United Church of Christ. Many of those churces are all white churches - all operating under the same dictates. So those churches are radical churches too? Get real!

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 9:29:24 PM

badger,

Did you know the Trinity congregation as a whole is 95% white?

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 9:32:26 PM

sandy,

Thanks, I was thinking the same thing about United Church of Christ.

badger,

Millions of Americans smoke, drink, and have unprotected sex...and G@d Damned Amerikkka has suddenly frightened us. Please, this is no land of the free and brave!!!

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 9:36:04 PM

sandy - What do the white churches that you say are part of Trinity have to do with the predominantly black congregation that Wright preached to? What if McCains church had a pro-white doctrine , where an admitted racist, separatist, bigot recieves the church's lifetime achievment award? So, you say Obamas church did good deeds? Wow , I'm impressed, imagine that, a church that does some good deeds. Actually , there are many churches that do good deeds, but without the racially polarizing rhetoric, and without the anti-american sentiment. A church with that type of ideology is no place for a presidential candidate to be coming out of, especially one whose mantra is, bringing people together. Wright said it best "Barack is a politician, and will say whatever he has to.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 9:40:26 PM

BruhMan - and then there are the rapists, child molesters, murderers, domestic abusers, etc. - but Rev. Wright is the menace? Pretty funny if it was not so sick. We are facing people losing their jobs and homes, not enough food on many tables, gas beyond many people's reach, the stock market diving into oblivion, homeless people including many veterans wandering the strets, but Rev Wright is the threat? (eyes rolling here).

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 9:46:07 PM

badger,

Absolutely, Senator Obama is a politician. And, for that matter, he should be. Those "empty suit, politician, flip-flop" monikers are meaningless. And, actually, I would strongly suggest that Senator Obama has brought a more diverse core together better than Senator McCain. That can't even be in question. BUt, badger1, vote for whoever you vote for and get whatever you get. The hardest thing in the world there is to do is change a mind. There will be no point at which you'll support Senator Obama. He will be President, as would Senator McCain, for all of America. Not just Trinity Church, African Americans...this is ridiculous.

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 9:47:39 PM

Badger1 - oh, I see. it is because Trinity is a BLACK church. U-m-m-m - it is not that Trinity is a church but because it is a BLACK church. Tell me Badger - do you watch Fox News much?

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 9:49:50 PM

sandy,

Six weeks of G@d Damned Amerikka on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and ABC. 30 minutes on G@d sent Hitler to be a hunter of Jews. Why was that? I know Rev. Wright was not an issue from the beginnig. That snippet served its political purpose for the moment, but now it's not even mentioned except by Sean Hannity. Thr rest of the country has moved on. Senator Obama is a politician, it just us trying to make him be eveything to everyone. Has to be for black issues, has to appeal to white-working class, has to support guns, has to denounce his church, has to wear a flag lapel pin, has to show his birth certificate...GIVE ME A BREAK. Who would want to be subjected to that for YOU!!! I would be disgusted, and told a whole lot of folks to just KISS MY @SS and braid my pubic hair!!!

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 9:55:47 PM

I'd say it was worse for Senator McCain to seek the RADICAL Religious right. But, he didn't attend those churches for 20 years. No, he was being a politician and seeking their endorsements for VOTES. Tell me badger, are you equally afraid of Pastor John Hagee? Be afraid of no MAN, not Wright, Pfleger, Hagee, Parsely...none of 'em!!!

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 10:01:41 PM

Tell me sandy, do you watch MSNBC much? I see you keep avoiding the tough questions sandy, just like your messiah, Barack. That is ok, they were rhetorical questions, I already know the answers. Your cherrypicking of the Trinity doctrine is pretty indicitive of your style. Oh, and the not so subtle playing of the race card. Shame on you sandy.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 10:03:58 PM

Seem kind of funny not to long ago the Clintons tried to trash Obama's campaign she stayed in longer and ran up millions in debt, now needs a loan from the very person she and Bill tried to destroy. And once she get her money back all her support for Obama will disappear.

Posted by: jg5012 | Jun 26, 2008 10:05:10 PM

BruhMan - watch Dan Abrams (sp?) on MSNBC - he has one of the most balanced programs on cable. I was watching his program while blogging here - he does not put up with any of the sh$$ that some bloggers bring up - and he has asked many of the same questions you have asked. Why would anyone WANT to be president? But since this country needs one, I will support Senator Obama with all of my heart and my soul as well as my time and money. I have worked on his campaign tirelessly - I put my time and money where my mouth is - not like many bloggers on ABC who have nothing to do but spew hate and do nothing to support their candidate.

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 10:07:09 PM

Badger1 WHAT questions - questions hinged on hate rhetoric? And "messiah" is a hate-monger's term - it is not used by the people who believe in and support Senator Obama. It is a deragotry term, but then you would not know that.

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 10:10:41 PM

I am a Hillary Clinton supporter and I do not want her to become the Vice-President. She has many issues for which she is deeply passionate. Healthcare, education, the economy and women's issues. She can best address those important topics from the floor of the United States Senate and not as Vice-President. She can become the "Lioness" of the Senate and remain a strong and determined voice for the issues that are important to her and her supporters.

Posted by: Dennis Andrews | Jun 26, 2008 10:11:56 PM

"A Godless theology of hate that no one dared try to stop for a thousand years produced a harvest of hate."
"There are 1.3 billion people who follow the Islamic faith, so if you're saying there's only 15 percent that want to come to America or invade Israel to crush it, you're only talking about 200 million people. That's far more than Hitler and Japan and Italy and all of the axis powers in World War II had under arms."
"I learn from the Bible that the children of Israel were punished by God for their iniquities. But I do not presume to explain Jewish suffering in modern times. I only seek to alleviate it."
"fishers" and "hunters" as symbols of positive motivation sent by God for the purpose of having Jews return to the land of Israel, even suggesting that the Holocaust was willed by God.
Quotes by Pastor John Hagee, endorsed by Senator John McCain.

WOW, and Rev. Wright is scarey?

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 10:12:12 PM

Bruman - The media made way more about Pastor Hagees interpretation of the bible scripture than they shoud have. He really didnt say anything wrong. That wasnt a slight to Jews, nor was it and embracing of Nazis. The bible is full of interpretation, and of God seemingly doing controversial things that are justified in the end. Hagee is long standing friends supporter of jews. McCain was out of line to drop Hagees endorsement. Hagee wasnt honoring racists in his church, hagee didnt fly to Lybia with a racist to meet with anti- american finacier of terrorism. Hagee wasnt even McCains pastor. They have no personal relationship. NO COMPARISON.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 10:12:49 PM

jg5012 - what you say may be true - however, if Hillary withdraws her support she is cutting her own political throat. I do not agree with how she ran her campaign or how she and Bill attacked Senator Obama, but she is a true blue politican and I do not think she would risk taking herself out of the picture.

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 10:14:20 PM

Dennis Andrews - agreed - Hillary is a tenacouis fighter - I believe she would be more effective in the Senate or as Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare because of her stand on health care issues.

Posted by: sandy | Jun 26, 2008 10:17:24 PM

badger,

BUT THEY DIDN'T SPEND SIX G@D DAMNED WEEKS ON IT!!! That's my point, they ran Rev. Wright non-stop for six weeks, and Hagee for 30 minutes. They both are non issues, but it's such a double standard.

And, Wright is a long standing supporter of white Americans. Hell, he even participated in an operation on President Johnson. Did you know that?

Wright flew to Libya to free a hostage American Navy pilot Lt. Robert Wilson. And, President Reagan called that a "mission of mercy, which America owed Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, and Jeremiah Wright a debt of gratitude".

KNOW THE FACTS!!!

Posted by: BruhMan | Jun 26, 2008 10:19:18 PM

Bruman - Youre being terribly naive. If youre familiar with the old testament, God punished jews all the time. You havent a clue about hebrew/christian theology , do you? Hagee said nothing wrong.It was an interpretation, not his endorsment of what happened. Even Jews have made that interpretation. Was he preaching insults at blacks to the chagrin of high fivin white congregants? No, that stuff took place at Obamas black liberation church though.

Posted by: Badger1 | Jun 26, 2008 10:21:02 PM

another reason why hillary clinton would of been the best to be president, heres why obama and mccains healthcare doesn't work.

Posted by: jorge | Jun 26, 2008 10:21:13 PM

BruhMan - bloggers like Badger are not concerned with facts, only hate. Hate clouds their minds so they can not see or realate to facts.
Eugene Robinson wrote a great article in the Washington Post this week - here it is:
Race in the Sunlight ....The Republican Party has a problematic history on race, beginning with Nixon's "Southern strategy." The era when the likes of the late Lee Atwater could overtly use race as a wedge issue is long gone. Today, any appeal to latent racial prejudice would have to be made more subtly…. Given the steadfast patriotism that African Americans have displayed since the nation's founding, none of this makes historical sense. Since Obama has given his opponents little ammunition, they have focused on those who are close to him, beginning with his former pastor. Now some critics have turned to Obama's "feisty" wife, whose image as a tall, strong, confident black woman can perhaps be made to seem threatening to some people. If there are voters who absolutely won't support Obama because of his race, there's not much he can do about it. But at least he can blow away all the smoke. He has served notice that he doesn't intend to be Swift-boated on race the way John Kerry was on his war record -- and that he will hit back even when attacks are more atmospheric than concrete. The Obama campaign made another move on this front last week when it began running a new television ad in a number of battleground states. In the ad, which is more about the candidate's character than his policies, Obama speaks of his personal history and delivers a paean to traditional American values -- while the viewer sees old family photos of his mother, who w