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Dem Guru: McCain 'Limited' by POW Years
June 30, 2008 3:02 PM
ABC News' Teddy Davis and Molly Hunter Report: While Barack Obama was urging supporters not to devalue the military service of rival John McCain, an informal Obama adviser argued Monday that the former POW's isolation during the Vietnam War has hobbled the Arizona senator's capacity as a war-time leader.
“Sadly, Sen. McCain was not available during those times, and I say that with all due respect to him," said informal Obama adviser Rand Beers. "I think that the notion that the members of the Senate who were in the ground forces or who were ashore in Vietnam have a very different view of Vietnam and the cost that you described than John McCain does because he was in isolation essentially for many of those years and did not experience the turmoil here or the challenges that were involved for those of us who served in Vietnam during the Vietnam war."
"So I think," he continued, "to some extent his national security experience in that regard is sadly limited and I think it is reflected in some of the ways that he thinks about how U.S. forces might be committed to conflicts around the world."
McCain spent five years in captivity as a POW in North Vietnam.
The Beers remarks, which were made at the liberal Center for American Progress Action Fund in Washington, D.C., drew a swift rebuke from a McCain spokesman who portrayed them as an example of Obama saying one thing and his supporters doing another.
"Mr. Beers' remarks are part of a pattern of Obama supporters attacking John McCain's military service, and a reminder of why it's what Sen. Obama, his supporters and his campaign actually do that matters most," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers tells ABC News. "Sen. Obama speaking out against these attacks isn't really relevant -- either his supporters aren't hearing him or they don't believe his words."
The Beers comments came one day after Gen. Wesley Clark downplayed the significance of McCain's military experience during an appearance on CBS's "Face the Nation."
"I don't think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president," said Clark.
Speaking Monday in Independence, Missouri, Obama implicitly distanced himself from the comments made by the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO and 2004 Democratic presidential candidate.
"For those who have fought under the flag of this nation -- for the young veterans I meet when I visit Walter Reed; for those like John McCain who have endured physical torment in service to our country -- no further proof of such sacrifice is necessary. And let me also add that no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters on both sides," said Obama.
CAPAF, which is the political arm of a liberal think tank headed by former Clinton White House chief of staff John Podesta, has been taking the lead for Democrats on dissecting McCain's policy proposals. CAPAF's Monday series of four policy panels on the economy, health care, foreign policy, and energy was dubbed "McCain University."
Beers' comments were prompted by an audience member saying during the question-and-answer period that his son had just become eligible for the draft if one were re-instituted in the United States.
"I will be damned if I will send my son to war to create a free Iraq or a free Syria or a free North Korea or a free Iran," said the questioner. "To defend the United States is one thing, to go to send my son to war to extend a neocon foreign policy is not going to happen, and I don't know if John McCain understands the passion and the depth of this kind of feeling."
"Does he not remember what went on in the streets of this country in the late 60s, when we were doing this kind of nonsense in Vietnam?" he continued.
Asked to explain the Beers relationship to the Obama campaign, Beers spokesperson Moira Whelan described him as an "informal adviser."
"Rand Beers offers advice to the Obama campaign when asked but is not a surrogate for the Obama campaign and was not speaking on behalf of the campaign" on Monday," said Whelan. During the Democratic primaries, Beers also offered advice to the Clinton campaign.
From 2003-04, Beers served as National Security-Homeland Security Issues Coordinator for John Kerry. Prior to joining Kerry's campaign in 2003, he served from 2002-03 as Special Assistant to President Bush and Senior Director for Combating Terrorism. He currently serves as president of the National Security Network.
In Vietnam, Beers served as a Marine officer and rifle company commander.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton reacted to the comments by Beers by saying: "It is Senator Obama's feeling that Senator McCain's service was heroic and should not be diminished."
Asked if the comments by Beers diminished McCain's service, Burton had no immediate response.
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bhrandon: You're not going to "risk being blown up," huh? I think what you meant to say is you're a coward.
Posted by: Kerri | Jun 30, 2008 4:29:39 PM
Obama committed treason today with this pathetic statement. talk about giving comfort to our enemies.
"The young soldier who first spoke about the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib - he is a patriot. Recognizing a wrong being committed in this country's name; insisting that we deliver on the promise of our Constitution"
Posted by: geevill | Jun 30, 2008 4:30:53 PM
The John McCain military service mythology needs to vetted. Most talked about is the 5 years as a POW was horrific, but not having lost multiple airplanes and finishing fifth from the bottom of his Naval Academy class casts a shadow on overall leadership abilities. "A + B" are appearing not to equal McCain's military service mythology.
Posted by: Lou R | Jun 30, 2008 4:33:37 PM
The difference between Kerry and McCain is that Kerry lied about Vietnam. Specifically his "Christmas in Cambodia" speech where he stated: "I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me." This "epiphany" that he had that made him realize that the war was nothing but a lie was a lie itself. From Kerry's own journal:"The banks of the [Rach Giang Thanh River] whistled by as we churned out mile after mile at full speed. On my left were occasional open fields that allowed us a clear view into Cambodia. At some points, the border was only fifty yards away and it then would meander out to several hundred or even as much as a thousand yards away, always making one wonder what lay on the other side." His curiosity was never satisfied, because this entry was from Kerry's final mission.
Posted by: Pepsiholic | Jun 30, 2008 4:34:44 PM
Lou a missile was fired by another plane and McCain had to jump out of the plane to save his life when the missile struck McCain's plane.
Are you counting that.
Are you counting how on McCain's 24th mission into the heart of the vietcong defense he was shot down. Are you counting that.
It is much easier when you sacrifice nothing for your country and go to Wright's church.
McCain was a fighter pilot going back to the cuban missile crisis when his carrier was the first one out there as the tip of the spear.
Posted by: Sam | Jun 30, 2008 4:36:38 PM
If I were an Obama, I'd tell every one of these aholes to zip it.
If they think they're gonna get votes by trashing McCain's military service, they're just too stupid to live
But maybe Obama is the one that's stupid, once you take away the teleprompoter.
Posted by: julie | Jun 30, 2008 4:36:59 PM
hey bhrandon, did we give German POW's the right to appear in American courts?
Posted by: Pepsiholic | Jun 30, 2008 4:37:30 PM
McCain thinks war is patriotic.
This man who says we MUST not talk with unfriendly countries like Iran. What alternative does that leave us?
PERPETUAL WAR!
This is the man who says it was a good idea to abandon the war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban for this misadventure in Iraq.
Perpetual arrogance.
This is the man who DOESN'T UNDERSTAND that a competent commander chooses the battlefield where your force has the greatest advantage -- not getting stuck in the middle of a multi-sided civil war.
Incompetence.
IRAN LOVES MCCAIN. NOW THIER POWER IN THE MIDDLE-EAST IS INCREASED FOUR FOLD!
When Cuter hosted a meeting to settle the standoff in Lebanon, the US was not even invited.
McCain is a first class neocon war-monger who thinks we should give all investment in our ECONOMIC FUTURE for war for any reason and at any cost.
Posted by: John's conscience | Jun 30, 2008 4:40:50 PM
What an insult to all our troops for Obama to praise a turncoat rat who only cares for the feelings of terrorists. I don't recall our troops beheading anyone. So now we know who a patriot is to Obama. A pro-terrorist weasel. and now we know Obama will figh to give terrorists and non-citizens Constitutional rights.
Posted by: geevill | Jun 30, 2008 4:41:35 PM
Coy, do you have no access to a Calander or something? Obama was, oh, about 9 years old when McCain was a POW.
But being a POW is not something that makes you a political leader. He deserves on the accolades he has received from his unfortunate circumstance. But since when has being a POW been a net-positive for someone?
The real question should be about the depotism of the US Navy at this time. McCain graduated near the bottom of his US Naval Academy class, and became a PILOT? He should have been a cook.
Posted by: Steven | Jun 30, 2008 4:42:01 PM
No, we had German prisoners here in the U.S.
Posted by: Pepsiholic | Jun 30, 2008 4:48:56 PM
n August 1942 the British Government, already at war for three years, was being pressed for space concerning POWs in England and Canada (Britain’s POW population never exceeded 175,000 less than half of what the U.S. would hold). After months of requests by Britain the United States reluctantly agreed to accept an emergency group of 50,000 POWs.
With this acceptance, along with the campaign against General Rommel in North Africa which began in November of 1942, the United States POW population steadily increased throughout the war. It reached its peak between August and November 1944 when over 110,000 German POWs entered the United States.
At its height in May and June of 1945 the German POW population alone in the United States was over 371,000 with a total Axis prisoner count of over 425,000.
Posted by: Pepsiholic | Jun 30, 2008 4:50:00 PM
bhrandon "it is completely valid to point out that he has a skewed view of what goes on during war time since he was shot down on his first run."
He was on his 23rd mission over Vietnam and was in for over 20 years ... Those damn facts, they're such pesky little things
Posted by: tx_eggman | Jun 30, 2008 4:50:18 PM
General Clarke's remarks show just how childish some Obama supporters are. This man was FIRED FROM THE MILITARY. Where is his credibility? Where does Obama's career show patriotism and bavery?
Senator Obama apology is a little late.
Posted by: Mai | Jun 30, 2008 4:50:37 PM
WASHINGTON — A divided Supreme Court ruled Thursday that foreign terrorism suspects held at Guantanamo Bay have rights under the Constitution to challenge their detention in U.S. civilian courts.
Posted by: Pepsiholic | Jun 30, 2008 4:51:59 PM
"you are an ignorant american who probably thinks rap ing women is fun"
bhrandom... the rpoper responce for a liberal who is losing an aruement to claim that the evil neocon is actually a homosexual who is typing from his mothers basement. You need to get with the program dude and follow the liberal script!
Posted by: Pepsiholic | Jun 30, 2008 4:54:56 PM
"This man who says we MUST not talk with unfriendly countries like Iran. What alternative does that leave us?"
FALSE:McCain says the PRESIDENT should NOT HOLD UNCONDITIONAL talks with countries that are KILLING our soldiers.
"This is the man who says it was a good idea to abandon the war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban for this misadventure in Iraq."
FALSE: McCain was for more troops in BOTH Afghanistan & Iraq.
"This is the man who DOESN'T UNDERSTAND that a competent commander chooses the battlefield where your force has the greatest advantage -- not getting stuck in the middle of a multi-sided civil war."
FALSE:McCain understands that you fight the enemy with overwhelming force. And that you let the military devise the strategy. Not a bunch a idiots in Washington who don't know a Division from a Battallion.
"IRAN LOVES MCCAIN. NOW THIER POWER IN THE MIDDLE-EAST IS INCREASED FOUR FOLD!"
FALSE:Many Middle East despots and terrorists have said they would WELCOME an Obama presidency. NONE have said that about McCain.
"When Cuter hosted a meeting to settle the standoff in Lebanon, the US was not even invited."
FALSE: Assuming you mean Carter, not Cuter, are you suggesting there is no longer a "standoff" in Lebanon? That's
aybe you mean Carter's meeting with Hamas in Syria? Well, maybe you have no idea what you're talking about.
On second thought, no "maybe" about it.
Posted by: nick barto | Jun 30, 2008 4:56:08 PM
Mai, if Clark was fired from the Military so was McCain. He retired to go into private business after his last post was going to be rotated. He would have been given a new Job. He was a 4-Star General. He wasn't some Private who wasn't offered a chance to re-up after his first contract ended. Clark served 34 years in the US Army. He was moved from his position for Gen. Ralston(then on the Joint Cheifs of Staff) to receive a new command. Clark was left without a command, and Retired. Which is normal business.
Sen. McCain declined a position of Rear Admiral when it became clear that do to poor physical exams and never leading an Ocean fleet that he would not make Full Admiral.
McCain has always used his time as a POW to his advantage. In his first run for Congress, when accussed of being a Carpetbagger, he was quoted as saying "As a matter of fact, when I think about it now, the place I lived longest in my life was Hanoi".
Posted by: Steven | Jun 30, 2008 5:03:16 PM
"And if you have noticed the bush people aren’t the best at updating their terror suspect lists, as nelson Mandela wasn’t able to fly because he was on that terrorist list."
And who is in charge of getting that list fixed? That would be incompetent civil servants... democrats... The same types that gave us the bad intel.
Posted by: Pepsiholic | Jun 30, 2008 5:06:01 PM
This is funny.
Exactly WHAT does this guy Beers think McCain missed? Woodstock? Haight Ashbury? Janice Joplin so drunk she's puking all over the stage? Dope & dropping acid?
Maybe he missed all those dim witted "war protesters" (who couldn't have found Viet Nam on a map of SE Asia) getting pounded on by Daley's goon squad. Yeah, you're nothing if you missed all that./s
One thing for sure...Beers is delusional if he thinks anything really important happened during the time McCain was getting the sh** beat out him in Hanoi. Delusional or he did too many drugs himself.
Posted by: katiewithroses | Jun 30, 2008 5:10:50 PM
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