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Biden hits back - More on Obama's Committee
July 17, 2008 11:06 AM
ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf reports: The case of the European Affairs Subcommittee hearings continues. Biden writes a passive aggressive letter to answer DeMint's passive aggressive letter.
Sen. Jim DeMint, R-SC, the ranking member on that committee, which is chaired by Sen. Obama, wrote earlier this week requesting that Obama hold a hearing after his upcoming trip to Afghanistan, where NATO countries are currently engaged.
DeMint had become the latest politician to complain (joining Sen. Clinton from when she was a Presidential candidate and Sen. McCain more recently) that Obama has shirked his duties as chairman of that committee.
But the Committee chairman, and Obama's guardian-in-chief where it comes to foreign policy, Sen. Joe Biden, shoots back in a letter sent last night to DeMint that there have been plenty of hearings on European Affairs, they've just been held at the "full committee level."
"On the particular issue of NATO’s mission in Afghanistan," writes Biden, "We have held three Full Committee hearings in the last 22 months: one under Senator Lugar’s chairmanship (September 21, 2006: “From Coalition to ISAF Command in Afghanistan: The Purpose and Impact of the Transition”), and two undermine (March 8, 2007: “Afghanistan: Time for a New Strategy?” and January 21, 2008: “Afghanistan: A Plan to Turn the Tide?”). At all three of these hearings, we were fortunate enough to have the expert testimony—in addition to other witnesses, both in and out of government— of former NATO commander and Supreme Allied Commander-Europe, Gen. James R. Jones (USMC, ret.). At my request, Senator Obama chaired the confirmation hearing for our next ambassador to NATO, which he focused on NATO’s mission in Afghanistan."
Aside: The Senate Foreign Relations Committee hasn't considered the role of NATO in Afghanistan since last January? In February, Biden called it the "Forgotten War," apparently for good reason.
Biden goes on in last night's letter: "Senator Obama has displayed great leadership on this issue: he called nearly a year ago for the deployment of at least two additional combat brigades to Afghanistan -- it has since become the accepted position of a wide range of U.S. military officials, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I look forward to working closely with him, and with you, on any future Afghanistan hearings that might be held in our Committee."
The issue of how many hearings have been held will become a prickly one if DeMint, as a McCain surrogate, pursues it. Sen. McCain has skipped nearly every Armed Services Committee Hearing even though he is the ranking member. And Sen. DeMint skipped the one hearing Obama did chair to consider some executive nominations.
July 17, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (112)
Why should anyone expect Senator Obama to call and hold a meeting of his senate committee? He is too busy campaigning and going to the gym and taking foreign trips where he has no business being on tax payers expense. Wake up, people. This man lives by his own schedule, not what he was elected to do.
Posted by: Mary | Jul 17, 2008 11:16:10 AM
Going to catch you off guard? Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN:
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples) McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA:
28% on any profits from ALL home sales. How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain in Taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes.
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN: 15% maximum tax (no change).
OBAMA: maximum 39.6%
If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned in taxes if Obama become president.
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN: (no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married couple making 60K- tax $9,000
Married couple making 75K - tax $18,750
Married couple making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA:
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married couple making 60K - tax $16,800
Married couple making 75K - tax $21,000
Married couple making 125K - tax $38,750
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN: 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax).
OBAMA: Restore Estate and Inheritance taxes. Many families have lost the businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones may now only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet.
* New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)
* New taxes on natural resource consumption (heating oil & gas, water, electricity).
* New taxes on retirement accounts
Posted by: Ann | Jul 17, 2008 11:30:49 AM
dl,
He's been criticized by McSame that he has never set his foot in Afghanistan yet and you're saying he has no business taking foreign trips. Wake up, we are electing our next president of the free world. You could wake up one morning in January 2009 and see President Obama taking oath of office. You can't have it both ways.
Posted by: Manal06 | Jul 17, 2008 11:31:43 AM
Mary...it's kind of funny that OBama has gone around and been yelling at the top of his lungs for more brigades in afghanistan and had a meeting on afghanistan and NATO that the guy who is criticizing him didn't go to.
and that McCain is actually the one who has dropped the ball on this fron.
and to criticize Obama for going to the gym multiple times one day... maybe you should be focusing on McCain having issues with his own health...
if you ask any doc they will tell you skin cancer like McCain's coming back twice ups the odds of it coming back overwhelmingly.
and if you look at the 5 oldest presidential caniddates ever elected...all of whom were younger than McCain
out of 5...2 died before their term was out...1 got dementia, 1 had such great logic when he left he started the civil war before lincoln... and 1 introduced his son to his republican buddies and we ended up with george jr. in the white house...
so focus on the candidate not so much going to the gym multiple times a day ,,,
how about the candidate going to the gym bathroom multiple times an hour.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 11:33:41 AM
Manal06
not sure what you are arguing...
I am saying demint is spinning the facts...not good coming from a guy who wasn't at the meeting for NATO ambassador.
and they have things called phones and video and reporting...
it's good for obama to go over there but just because someone went over there doesn't mean they are smarter about what's going on. That is just stupid logic.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 11:36:44 AM
and please ignore the lies that Ann just put up
here are the facts that have been substantiated to refute this lying email campaign that Ann has put up...
it is part of the Obama is a tax-hiking terrorist playbook from McCain's rovian camaign
we will not let America be fooled again by these lies from the RNC "dark side"
and they wonder why the RNC has become so unpopular because of commenters like Ann.
# Home Sales: The claim that Obama would impose a 28 percent tax on the profit from "all home sales" is false. Both Obama and McCain would continue to exempt the first $250,000 of gain from the sale of a primary residence ($500,000 for a married couple filing jointly) which results in zero tax on all but a very few home sales.
# Capital Gains Rate: It's untrue that Obama is proposing a 28 percent capital gains tax rate. He said in an interview on CNBC that he favors raising the top rate on capital gains from its present 15 percent to 20 percent or more, but no higher than 28 percent. And as for a 28 percent rate, he added, "my guess would be it would be significantly lower than that." Furthermore, he has said only couples making $250,000 or more (or, his policy advisers tell us, singles making more than $200,000) would pay the higher capital gains rate. That means the large majority of persons who pay capital gains taxes would see no increase at all.
# Tax on Dividends: Another false claim is that Obama proposes to raise the tax rate on dividends to 39.6 percent. Dividends currently are taxed at a top rate of 15 percent, and Obama would raise that to the same rate as he would tax capital gains, somewhere between 20 percent and 28 percent but likely "significantly" lower than 28 percent. This higher tax also would fall only on couples making $250,000 or more or singles making more than $200,000.
# Taxing IRAs and 529s: Contrary to the claim in this e-mail, raising tax rates on capital gains or dividends would not result in higher taxes on any investments held in Individual Retirement Accounts or in popular, tax-deferred "college funds" under section 529 of the Internal Revenue Code. The whole point of such tax-deferred plans is that dividends and capital gains are allowed to accumulate and compound tax-free, and neither Obama nor McCain proposes to change that. And as previously mentioned, any capital gains or dividend income from stocks, bonds or mutual funds owned outside of tax-deferred accounts would continue to be taxed at current rates except for couples making over $250,000, or singles making more than $200,000.
# Doubled Taxes? The claim that "Under Obama your taxes will more than double!" is also false. The comparative rate tables this e-mail provides for McCain and Obama are entirely wrong, as we explained in an earlier article March 13 about another false e-mail from which these tables are copied. It is supposedly a comparison of tax rates before and after the Bush tax cuts, but it grossly overstates the effect of the Bush cuts. Furthermore, Obama proposes to retain the Bush cuts for every single income level shown in this bogus table.
# Estate Tax. The claim that Obama proposes to "restore the inheritance tax" is also false, as are the claims that McCain would impose zero tax and that Bush "repealed" it. McCain and Obama both would retain a reduced version of the estate tax, as it is correctly called, though McCain would reduce it by more.
The tax now falls only on estates valued at more than $2 million (effectively $4 million for couples able to set up the required legal and financial arrangements). It reaches a maximum rate of 45 percent on amounts more than that. It was not repealed, but it is set to expire temporarily in 2010, then return in 2011, when it would apply to estates valued at more than $1 million ($2 million for couples), with the maximum rate rising to 55 percent.
Obama has proposed to apply the tax only to estates valued at more than $3.5 million ($7 million for couples), holding the maximum rate at 45 percent. McCain would apply it to estates worth more than $5 million ($10 million for couples), with a maximum rate of 15 percent.
# "New Tax" Falsehoods: The e-mail continues with a string of made-up taxes that it falsely claims Obama has proposed. He has not proposed a tax on new homes with more than 2,400 square feet, or a new gasoline tax or a tax on retirement accounts. The most laughably false claim is that Obama would tax "water."
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 11:42:30 AM
dl
I am sorry. I was replying to Mary.
Mary,
This was for you.
He's been criticized by McSame that he has never set his foot in Afghanistan yet and you're saying he has no business taking foreign trips. Wake up, we are electing our next president of the free world. You could wake up one morning in January 2009 and see President Obama taking oath of office. You can't have it both ways.
Posted by: Manal06 | Jul 17, 2008 11:43:42 AM
Manal06
no problem I do it all the time.
that's what I figured.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 11:51:36 AM
Ann,
The tax on misinformation will go up to $1 per. It is currently estimated that you will owe us $31,639 for the lies you have told in your last post alone.
Keep up the good work!
Posted by: The IRS | Jul 17, 2008 11:55:29 AM
MARY MARY
When are you going to wake up and see obama has been right?? only know that obama has been talking about troops being needed in afghan for about 18 months has mccain or bush even spoke about it, mccain and bush for the last 5 years have forgotten the war in afghan and has only concentrated on iraq and dont you think its funny that president bush now wants to have diplomatic talks with iran mary please WAKE UP SEE WHAT THE REST OF US SEE OBAMA WAS RIGHT!
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 11:56:38 AM
About time someone point out that Senator McCain has the worst attendance record in all of Congress.
This isn't just the Armed Forces Committee.
McCain has an incredible record of not showing up for work.
Posted by: Dan | Jul 17, 2008 12:13:37 PM
dl-- who's the "we" you refer to in your 11;36 post?
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 17, 2008 12:23:20 PM
The problem with Biden's defense is that it places Biden above Obama. Obama wants to be POTUS, yet he needs supervision on his Foreign Relations sub-committee. It points out that Obama's never actually run...anything.
Will Biden supervise President Obama's foreign relations, too? (it would actually be ok with me if he did)
Posted by: MayBee | Jul 17, 2008 12:34:54 PM
It seems like all of McCain's surrogates suffer from "foot in mouth disease"...I suggest they check there facts before commenting on issues regarding Sen Obama.
Posted by: whcjr46 | Jul 17, 2008 12:44:17 PM
Thanks for the prompt fact injection, dl
Posted by: Primordial Ooze | Jul 17, 2008 12:44:26 PM
dl regarding tax info can you please cite your source. also ann can you cite your source. no agenda here just interested in the facts.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Jul 17, 2008 12:44:45 PM
Manal06 -
Yes, we are electing the leader of the free world... He should ALREADY have the experience. 6 months prior is not the time to get a crash course in foreign affairs.
Looks like the Obama e-spin campaign is in full effect today!
Posted by: ML | Jul 17, 2008 12:45:53 PM
my source is a copy and paste from factcheck.org...but you can check it against Obama's platform on his site or at the DNC ...
and several others...
you can only check hers at...oh that's right from the false email that is going around...lol
swiftboaters at work
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 12:48:44 PM
angie although as of right now i do not support either candidate and i am still shopping around i do agree that it was obama who has stated that we need to redeploy to afghanistan.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Jul 17, 2008 12:49:15 PM
dl thanks so much.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Jul 17, 2008 12:51:32 PM
We have two loosers running for Office in November. I think that both sides would have to agree..
Posted by: Cutthecrap | Jul 17, 2008 12:51:52 PM
dl-- in your fact list you refer to a March 13 article, written by "we". Where can I find this article so I know who we is?
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 17, 2008 12:54:59 PM
Robert in Clevelan
the "we" I refer to is the millions of people (yes millions) who are out here every day refuting false bologne in emails...on the streets... in our families... from the right... from the lobbyists...on these blogs... at parties...
volunteering, donating money, everything "we" can do because last time... we didn't...and we got GW, the war, the economy...
this time the "we" is bigger...
it's too important not to be.
and just so you know I am not some young blogger hired to do this...obviously they would have chosen someone with better typing skills...lol
Just a late 30 something political junkie from a blue collar background...who has made enough money now to be able to focus on this campaign....and the future.
So the "we" is a majority of Americans.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 12:55:26 PM
"Why should anyone expect Senator Obama to call and hold a meeting of his senate committee?" Mary, did you not read the last paragraph of the article? Where has McCain been? Here, let me reprint it so that you can get the full impact of what it says: The issue of how many hearings have been held will become a prickly one if DeMint, as a McCain surrogate, pursues it. Sen. McCain has skipped nearly every Armed Services Committee Hearing even though he is the ranking member. And Sen. DeMint skipped the one hearing Obama did chair to consider some executive nominations.
Pot - meet kettle!!
Posted by: hang | Jul 17, 2008 12:56:45 PM
factcheck.org
but you can find it at almost all of the legfitimate factchecking sites...
all you have to do is google...
factcheck.org
focuses in on a lot fo "email" campaigns...
that is where Ann's posting came from.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 12:57:22 PM
It's funny to see cynics scramble, scrape and pull out their weegie boards in thinking that they are going to stop this HIGH SPEED TRAIN OF HOPE AND CHANGE to the White House?
In a few short months, the dagger will be precisely inserted and twisted.
OUT WITH THE OLD.....IN WITH THE NEW
OBAMA 08 - It's INEVITABLE
Posted by: Nat Turner | Jul 17, 2008 1:01:54 PM
Sonia
and it was obama who said we needed to use more diplomacy with our enemies and he was bashed for having said that now that is what bush is doing with iran seems to me mccain and bush are following senator obamas ideas so thefore senator obama does have good judgement my advice to you sonia is to really pay attention to the canidates and whats going on maybe that would help with your decision
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 1:02:17 PM
you gotta love when a commenter on here says
"obama is the most evil...candidate I have ever seen"
Neil1785...you are worse than words...lol
that's right Bush and Cheney and the war and Katrina and the economy and the windfall profits of the oil companies while oil is going through the roof and they won't drill in places that already have oil because it won't keep their historical profit margin as large...
but yet Obama is the most "evil" candidate you have seen...
why?
because you have the mind of a 12 year old...and little Barry beat you up on the playground?
You are ...what's wrong with the present debate... no facts...just spin... and expletives...and fear.
It's 2004 and do you know where di#k cheney is?...
yeah...he is sitting behind a keyboard under the screen name neil 1785
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 1:03:29 PM
My friends,
The Silly Season Express needs a total overhaul.....How can I win?
I don't have any support from true conservatives.........Isn't that my base?
I can't speak without a teleprompter and/or someone whispering in my ear....
I tried flip flops and the DU-Pod, but I couldn't figure out how to hook em up together.....
Now, I'm being outraised 2-1.
My friends, I'm hurtin. Hurtin bad....Even I know I don’t have a porkchop’s chance in a piranha tank of becoming POTUS.
I'm this close to going Federally Postal………….
Well, it’s not about winning, just as long as you get to play the game right???
Is that a good spin on how dismal things are for me?
J. McCan't
Posted by: Nat Turner | Jul 17, 2008 1:04:17 PM
NEIL1785
that is your right so vote for mccain that is your right as an american but i think you will be very sorry!!!!!
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 1:04:28 PM
NEIL1785
you need anger management!!!!
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 1:11:00 PM
Neil1785 will have to face reality very very soon.
Denial can be a bit overwhelming.
You might as well accept the inevitable grasshoppa.
OBAMA WILL BE YOUR NEXT POTUS.
Posted by: Nat Turner | Jul 17, 2008 1:12:43 PM
Didn't McCain recently flip-flop and adopt Obama's view on Afghanistan?
Posted by: Jeremy | Jul 17, 2008 1:14:03 PM
Neil if that last comment wa for me...
(which it may not be because I am so pompous I think every insult is directed at me...lol)
I am pompous...but only when dealing with the pomposity of morons. lol
I tend to get pompous when the other person is blathering... and spinning without facts.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 1:14:07 PM
angie thanks. i agree information is critical. that is why post-hillary i remain in the discussion.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Jul 17, 2008 1:15:34 PM
And AGAIN Neil1785's mind is playing tricks on him.
He's been ran through the ringer so much by the Repugs, he doesn't know which way is up.
HELP IS ON THE WAY, whether you want it or not.
OBAMA WILL BE POTUS.
Posted by: Nat Turner | Jul 17, 2008 1:17:02 PM
and Neil1785
Bush did not do well on that fact...do you read the reports of al quaeda's ability to recruit using this stupid war that the oil companies and a little boy wanting to get back at the man who threatened his daddy sent us into...
This was the most misbegotten foreign policy move ...and it was based on an old school foreign policy stance (that McCain also has) that does not work in an ever advancing and developing global village. Period.
We will be recovering from this stupid mistake for a long time to come.
and do you realize that Bush and McCain used the same "strategery" with the insurgents that was used with Osama Bin Laden and Iran in the past ...
give the enemies promises of money power and give them guns...to come fight on our side...for a quick political shift only to have it blow up in the faces of Americans 15-20 years later.
stupid stupid stupid war.
and again they are saying like they had done in the 70's and 80's that the enemy has come to fight on our side...
dumb dumb dumb
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 1:20:11 PM
Neil,
You'll be only remembered by the hilarious posts you make.
You should do stand up.
Political critical thinking is not your fortay.
OBAMA 08
Posted by: Nat Turner | Jul 17, 2008 1:23:27 PM
Neil1785
See you at the convention ..scary that you are a superdelegate ...you don't even see the mistake the war was...
but guess what you'll have people like me at the convention and unfortunately I am obviously pompous and much smarter than you.
luckily for the dems.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 1:27:25 PM
I would like to be an Obama follower--but how do you stop the dizziness?
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 17, 2008 1:28:51 PM
NEIL1785
hillary voted for the war hillary agreed with mccains gas tax holiday hillary said she would attack iran if had to where is hillarys judgement!!! she should of opposed that war if she had good judgement like the rest of us knew GOING TO WAR IN IRAQ WAS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 1:29:16 PM
Robert
I know it is hard to stop the spin when you are slammed with all of the facts...
that's how people become Obama supporters.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 1:29:52 PM
POTUS OBAMA - The inevitable
PAPPY MCCAN'T - He'll be shooing kids off of his wife's grass this time next year.
food for thought....Donkeys are incapable of winning horseraces.
OBAMA 08
Posted by: Nat Turner | Jul 17, 2008 1:32:55 PM
The follow up to Biden-"So why even have a SubCommittee?"
Posted by: geevill | Jul 17, 2008 1:33:37 PM
Neil
what I know is
Obama was smarter than Hillary with his own campaign finances.
so tell me again how smart she is on economics...because I just sent her 200 bucks and bought a t-shirt to pay for her debt.
stop
the only facts you have is that "Ben Stein said Jimmy Kimmel..."
oy.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 1:34:34 PM
When Sen.Obama chair to consider some
executive nomination did he say
" present"
Posted by: vinnie | Jul 17, 2008 1:36:34 PM
Hey Nat-- is that horse now a gelding?
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 17, 2008 1:36:49 PM
geevil he had a meeting...the subcommittee had issues that Biden wanted to address at full committee...or is that hard for you to grasp...
there are times when a subcommittee's responsibilities are overtaken because the issues are to central to the main committee at the time...
I know hard to grasp
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 1:36:50 PM
Obama: Plenty of BS to those who like BS!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | Jul 17, 2008 1:37:35 PM
Cmon, those with critical thinking skills in combination with intelligence, please ignore neil.
Neanderthals are incapable of processing reality.
JUST IGNORE IT
OBAMA 08
Posted by: Nat Turner | Jul 17, 2008 1:37:42 PM
Neil1785
I know what you use for arguments...and they are pitiful...
because they are not based in facts..."oh...is that all" ...lol
sorry but facts win this time.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 1:38:10 PM
Neil1785,
I thought your sorcerer (oh do you call it Psychic) predicted Obama would not be the Nominee.
Stop whining at the wrong people. Blame your "witch doctor" for lieing to you. Or better still ask her to tell you the Lotto numbers so you can win and disappear.
lololol......
Posted by: Steve_NJ | Jul 17, 2008 1:40:03 PM
I know I should ignore Neil1785
but it's going to be too delicious if he is going to be at the convention with this hokie finokie bologne...
...but at the same time he should know what he is in for if he really is a super...
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 1:40:11 PM
NEIL 1785
Hillary real economy smart huh THATS WHY SHE GOT HERSELF IN DEBT 20 MILLON DOLLARS THAT NOT SMART TOO ME how could she have ran a general election campaign with being in debt with the primaries?????
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 1:40:42 PM
neil wrote:
Obama took private lessons in economy just last year but apparently without great success according to his teacher. He said Obama was slow on the uptake.
************
You have been posting this rubbish for months. Once again, I ask you to PROVE THIS. Real concrete PROOF.
You can't, you have never been able to. Seek help neil.
Posted by: Jane Hussein | Jul 17, 2008 1:41:26 PM
angie as a hispanic i tend to favor mccain on issues like immigration. as a human being i favor obama on his position on the war. i find that neither has a clear path to restoring our economic integrity. on security i feel that obama lacks the background, and mccain is to inclined to react too swiftly. i have seen this movie too many times...when the curtain falls and the lights go out the 'extras' go home to face the realities, do we buy gas or groceries do we pay the credit cards or the mortgage? until we realize as a society that we have been duped very little of substance will change regardless of who we elect.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Jul 17, 2008 1:42:10 PM
Biden -- now there's a name you can trust! Fact is, when the going gets tough, BHO is nowhere to be found!
Posted by: Aston | Jul 17, 2008 1:42:13 PM
and Neil did you read that article today about "how this is the perfect time for Hillary to divorce Bill"?
You should.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 1:42:29 PM
NEIL
the problem is you were not gonna get bill clinton third term but hillary and its her way do you really think she would of let bill be in control?????
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 1:44:36 PM
Sonia,
I remember you were a fervent Clinton fan who said if Clinton wasn't the nominee, it would be McCain all the way.
STILL IN THE LOSER'S column?
Come into the light, SWEETIE
OBAMA'S in the White House with or without you.
OBAMA 08
Posted by: Nat Turner | Jul 17, 2008 1:44:43 PM
sonia,
I agree with many of your statements. But the Repub trickle down economics have ruined this country and it needs to stop. mcCain believes that if you give huge corporations and rich folk the most money, they will give some to the little people. Instead, the huge corps take our jobs off=shore and the rich folk buy mansions in Hawaii.
Enough is enough.
Posted by: Jane Hussein | Jul 17, 2008 1:46:16 PM
Neanderthals seem to think that media driven magazine covers, lapel pins, thesis papers, Rev's and White "Brothaman" Priests will stop the TRAIN OF HOPE AND CHANGE.
They've only come to realize that after looking back and seeing the rail kill that was crunched previously, that they've started to realize that they're next on Obama's road to the WHITE HOUSE.
See you at the inauguration SWEETIES!
OBAMA 08
Posted by: Nat Turner | Jul 17, 2008 1:48:09 PM
the fact is that Obama is going to pick an unbeleivalbe team...you can see the signs now that ...everyone is offering to work with him...on both sides.
can yuo imagine a
vp Biden
sec of state clinton or richardson
ag office getting cleaned up with edwards
dept of energy with schwarzenegger assisted by gore
gates, powell, hagel, webb, all working on defense
in a time of trouble this will be a team like we haven't had...
and I think this is where he's going with this
he has even talked about Newt and Newt has talked about him... trying to work across the aisle with each other...
Lugar has said although he backs McCain he would loo forward to more work with Obama.
even McCain would work with Obama.
once november comes... we will at the minimum be able to see out the window that this administration and now the republican party because of the election are trying to cloud... and there will be a unified government.
Posted by: dl | Jul 17, 2008 1:49:20 PM
Neil-1785
I've been reading all the
E-Mails and so far the facts you
presented are FACTS. So where are
the Obama backers? Is Neal-1785 lying?
Posted by: vinnie | Jul 17, 2008 2:01:24 PM
neil1785,
You just copy and pasted that from your lunatic psycho's own website!!! LOL!
WOW, dude! You can't even make up your own rantings? You have to steal them from another raving moron?
Dismissed!
Posted by: Jane Hussein | Jul 17, 2008 2:01:30 PM
Neil-1785
I've been reading all the
E-Mails and so far the facts you
presented are FACTS. So where are
the Obama backers? Is Neal-1785 lying?
Posted by: vinnie | Jul 17, 2008 2:01:34 PM
vinnie,
neil is an escaped mental patient. he men in the white coats are coming to get him soon.
Posted by: Jane Hussein | Jul 17, 2008 2:02:45 PM
hello nat, yes hillary was my candidate of choice. still a bit bruised over the hurtful manner in which we were treated by the dnc/party elders etc...but also very concerned by some of the foaming at the mouth racist comments by mccain supporters, now that is scary! although i do find some alignment with mccain (some of his) supporters are creepy...
Posted by: sonia trevino | Jul 17, 2008 2:03:37 PM
SONIA
i agree with your post but do understand that it has been the republicans for the last 7 years that have put us into this mess and as far as mccains imigration policiy he is pandering the hispanics the choice is yours but just know mccain has agreed and his voting record proves it 95 percent of the time with bush if your happy with bush and his policies than i say go for it vote mccain because what makes anyone think mccain is gonna turn back now after agreeing with bush for 7 years you cant teach an old dog new tricks!!!! the choice is yours CHANGE OR THE SAME!!!
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 2:03:52 PM
VINNIE
neil1785 facts are coming from smear web sites and smear e mails set up by the gop or bitter hillary supporters or fox news or rush limbaugh you have to understand obama has not only got to fight the gop but the bitter hillary supporters who dont understand politicts who dont understand obama won fair and square
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 2:10:05 PM
dl
It was a pleasure and refreshing to read your informative posts.
On the other hand, posts written by neil1785 and ann are readily recognized as the haranges/howls of the ignorant yearning to be heard.
And neil and ann, repeating lies over and over or yelling as loudly as you can does not demonstrate knowledge, but, rather only reflects your growing frustration and anger because no one is agreeing with, or listening to, your nonsence anymore.
Posted by: EnoughIsEnough | Jul 17, 2008 2:18:57 PM
Why do I have this feeling that neil1785 will be spitting up blood on the night of the convention?
Posted by: Jane Hussein | Jul 17, 2008 2:22:36 PM
neil wrote:
We PUMAS are not fools, gullible, or naive.
***************
Really? REALLY........because you all seem like fools, or clowns, or nutjobs.
And since you are falling for the Republican backed kitty-cat PUMA group, then you are indeed gullible.
AND you think the 12 of you voting for McCain will have any effect, you are indeed, naive.
Posted by: Jane Hussein | Jul 17, 2008 2:26:17 PM
i am tired of voting for the (MAN person) who will do the least damage this time or the lesser of two evils. no where to turn here. bye for now.
Posted by: sonia trevino | Jul 17, 2008 2:27:05 PM
EnoughIsEnough,
Tell it to the hands...the ears are not listening....
Posted by: neil1785 | Jul 17, 2008 2:22:57 PM
**********
And the brain is damaged, LOL!
Posted by: Jane Hussein | Jul 17, 2008 2:27:24 PM
NEIL1785
one can see your a bitter person like i said if you want to vote mccain you have that right but dont sit here on these post and lie about senator obama just as if you wouldnt want anyone to lie about hillary!!!
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 2:28:04 PM
neil,
We say you are lying, because when pressed for proof of your posts, all we hear is crickets. You cannot back up any of what you write because they ARE lies.
Posted by: Jane Hussein | Jul 17, 2008 2:28:42 PM
But the big question is was Obama there when these full committe meetings were held, that he didnt chair?(why didnt he? want that his job?) What was the point in giving him the chairmanship if he was not going to hold hearings? Oh yeah to beef up his resume.
Posted by: rachel | Jul 17, 2008 2:29:22 PM
I'm not Obama....
Posted by: neil1785 | Jul 17, 2008 2:28:53 PM
***********
Well that is the first smart thing you have ever posted.
You are not intelligent enough to be Obama.
Posted by: Jane Hussein | Jul 17, 2008 2:30:25 PM
...thus, you will remain as you are...
Posted by: EnoughIsEnough | Jul 17, 2008 2:30:35 PM
neil
...thus, you will remain as you are...
Posted by: EnoughIsEnough | Jul 17, 2008 2:30:41 PM
RACHEL
obama has been campaining around the country for about 18 months between both the primaries and now the general election remember he is running for potus!!!!!!!
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 2:32:33 PM
NEIL1785
We are not ganging up on you we are giving you FACTS true facts thats what fox news and rush limbaugh fail to give facts they only spread rumors why dont you try abc cnn c span msnbc lay off faux news!!!!
Posted by: angie | Jul 17, 2008 2:35:49 PM
mccain sure is laughable---==we should call him ---SUPER PARROT----obama says something and mccain makes fun of him a few days later he says the same and trys to take credit-----t boon pickens has comercial about the billions leaving our country and today the parrot is at it again----this guy is too dumb to come up with something on his own.
Posted by: rodney | Jul 17, 2008 2:36:08 PM



