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Obama Defends Himself Against Flip-Flopping Criticism
July 08, 2008 1:24 PM
ABC News' Sunlen Miller Reports: Senator Barack Obama was confronted with a question at a town hall in Powder Spring, GA that has plagued him since the start of his general election campaign: has he been flip-flopping and moving more toward the center, and can he make his Iraq position clear?
The question came from a former Republican, who worked for Bobby Kennedy when he was 15. Although the man called the flip-flopping charges, “nonsense,” he asked the Illinois Senator to clear up any confusion.
“The people who say this apparently haven’t been listening to me,” Obama shot back quickly.
Obama said there is no doubt that he is progressive. He believes in tax codes, universal health care, making college more affordable, paying teachers more, and early childhood education.
“I believe in a whole lot of things that make me progressive and squarely in the Democratic camp,” added Obama.
But, Obama countered that he does not believe that government is the solution for everything and places a high importance on personal responsibility. Recently Obama has been criticized for moving to the center on his stances on the DC gun ban, and faith based initiatives – both of which he attempted to clear up.
“When I talk about the idea that we should recruit churches and places of worship if they are willing to abide by the separation of church and state to get involved in providing critical services to communities, in faith based initiatives, that’s not something new,” Obama said. “I’ve been organizing with churches for years in the community. And so the notion that somehow that’s me tying to look like I’m more centered - more centrist - is just not true.”
On the Supreme Court ruling on the DC gun ban, Obama explained, “I actually have said I agree with that for years, even before the ruling came down. That doesn’t mean that I also recognized that we need to make sure that we’ve decent controls over the use of firearms in our community. Those two potions are not contradictory.”
Obama also attempted to also clarify his Iraq war plan as he has been shown to be shifting away from his original statements to withdraw troops in 16 months from Iraq.
“I have also consistently said that once were in that we had to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. Because once you get in now you’ve got to make sure that our troops are safe. You’ve got to make sure that the country doesn’t collapse. And so what I’ve called for is a phased withdrawal, a phased redeployment. That is not precipitous, that is responsibly getting out combat troops out at a pace of about 1-2 brigades per month. And at that point we would have our troops out, our combat troops out, in about 16 months.”
Obama said – contrary to what Republicans are saying – there is nothing rushed about his plan for withdrawal.
"When I hear John McCain saying ‘we can’t surrender, we can’t wave the white flag’ nobody’s talking about surrounding. We’re talking about common sense,” Obama concluded. “So don’t be confused. I will bring the Iraq war to a close when I am president.”
Obama blamed his new flip-flopping title on cynicism in politics.
“One of the things you find as you go though this campaign is everyone has become so cynical about politics. That the assumption is you must be doing everything for political reasons,” Obama said, “The message I want to send everybody is: you’re not going to agree with me on 100% of what I think but don’t assume that if I don’t agree with you on something that it must be because I’m doing that politically.”
July 8, 2008 in Kucinich, Dennis | Permalink | User Comments (89)
Ask him again in an hour and he'll have a different answer.
Posted by: McCain Dem | Jul 8, 2008 1:56:41 PM
You tell them Barack! If people would take responsiblity and educate themselves this country would be so much better off!
Posted by: Hippemom | Jul 8, 2008 1:56:53 PM
It's not that we are not listening to Obama; it's Obama not listening to us. He continues to nudge his positions ever so slightly like a dancer missing a step in a routine that cannot be detected by the untrained eye.
Posted by: young_voter | Jul 8, 2008 1:59:46 PM
I like Senator Obama. He is the right man for the job.
He will get my vote, and he will be the next President of the United States, and I CAN'T WAIT! :)
Posted by: Nobody's fool | Jul 8, 2008 2:06:39 PM
No one can guarantee a precise timetable for troop recall from Iraq. Atleast give Sen. Obama credit for being willing to call for out troops to come home. Too bad Sen. McCain doesn't agree.
Posted by: Champ | Jul 8, 2008 2:08:22 PM
Yeah, we're just too cynical, that's it, obama....
MAYBE WE ARE CYNICAL BECAUSE WE ARE SICK OF TYPICAL POLITICIANS LIKE YOU!!!!
Posted by: Foodforthought | Jul 8, 2008 2:08:41 PM
BACKTRACK Obama
or
George W. Obama
Take your pick--whatever shoe fits...
Posted by: Foodforthought | Jul 8, 2008 2:10:03 PM
iraq wants us out
we want us out
mccain wants us in, because theres sweet sweet oil there
nevermind drilling in our own yard, even though we have millions of acers open for that now, lets drill off our shores, continue to fight this iraq war, and win the oil there too!
then we can control the universe!
mccain
A leader from the dark side!
Posted by: bhrandon | Jul 8, 2008 2:11:04 PM
One would think that a man with his education would know when he is flip-flopping. Guess they did not teach FLIP FLOPPING 101 in Harvard. And this man thinks he is Presidential. LOL
Somebody needs to buy him a dictionary.
Posted by: Mary | Jul 8, 2008 2:14:28 PM
Obama is an empty suit --- stands for Nothing--
Obama = Bush; thinks he right and besides Obama has an arrogant attitude (just like Bush) only Bush never quite called the hard working class bitter who cling to guns and religion and have all that apathy, etc.. Give me a break.
Obama should have never been nominated--it's quite clear now-the democrats sure made a big mistake; and this is coming from a democrat, soon to be independent.
Posted by: NielPA | Jul 8, 2008 2:19:20 PM
Like he said some of you obviously haven't been listing to him.
Posted by: Joe | Jul 8, 2008 2:21:20 PM
obama is still giong to try to remove immunity from the fisa bill
Posted by: bhrandon | Jul 8, 2008 2:27:27 PM
Stop snipp'n at each other. believe what you believe and allow others to have their opinions as well. We live and vote a democracy, if you want your opinions heard, state them with tact and respect AND intelligence. There IS a difference between Debate and stupid people arguing about pointless opinions.
Posted by: krazgal | Jul 8, 2008 2:27:41 PM
Isnt that what puppets do? Flip flop.
Posted by: brigitte | Jul 8, 2008 2:31:27 PM
LOL! Well~ Honesty! I LIKE IT!
That's actually refreshing to hear.
~ by all means~
Continue slam'n each other. lol.
Posted by: krazgal | Jul 8, 2008 2:32:32 PM
The man is a bold-faced liar. Why anyone would believe a syllable that comes out of his mouth defies explanation. He no longer supports the principles that brought his followers to him in the first place. The definition of a pathological liar is someone who believes the lies he tells. That fits BHO to a 'T'.
Posted by: Aston | Jul 8, 2008 2:37:12 PM
carolyn
you and your candidate need to get out of the 60's and focus on the hear and now
you guys are so out of touch, i wont be suprised when mccain calls for the fall of the berlin wall
Posted by: bhrandon | Jul 8, 2008 2:38:39 PM
Obama's credibility has been lessened with each issue. I would rather vote for McCain, governing from a retirement home than for Obama, governing from a church.
Posted by: country_voter | Jul 8, 2008 2:41:14 PM
Only in America could someone listening to the issues as expressed by citizens in the states he visits be accused of "flip flopping".
Only in America could someone who acknowledges that he personally does not have all the answers at this very moment in time could be called "inexperienced".
Only in America could someone who puts the safety of our service men and women FIRST and timelines second be accused of "changing positions".
Only in America could someone who sees the realities of how campaigns are truly financed could someone be accused of "breaking his pledge".
Actually, only in this America... which come November, is going to change... to something we can ALL believe in.
Posted by: PJ | Jul 8, 2008 2:41:22 PM
yes anyone who is screaming that Obama is a flipflopper
has not been really listening...
all of this stuff he has consistently said during the campaign...
I saw him speak in preson many times and he has been consistent on all of this...anyone who thinks he ever promisedwe would be rigid about withdrawal and 16 months...or all of these other issues has never heard him speak and take questions...
and my advice would eb open your ears and think with your brain before you spout all of this stuff...
all the records are coming out now that show he hasn't moved on 99% of these things everyone is pointing at...
this was created by the McCain campaign and the reporters like the 2000 and 2004 sheep protocol jumped on anything they thought they heard a lot of...rather than question it and look at the history...like anderson cooper and NBC did.
both of who reported...yeah...this was created.
but some people are morons and just want to grab on to anything that might be an argument...lol
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 2:47:31 PM
Turk
LOL
jerk rhymes with turk
tahts funny
not sure what ive said that is unsupportable assertions
id be happy to go over them in a more detailed way if your mind can handle it
it might explode when you witness what a horrible candidate mccain is...
Posted by: bhrandon | Jul 8, 2008 2:49:13 PM
I love the guy who called obama a "bold faced liar"
do you read sir?
have you ever heard obama in person or read a single stance from his platform...
of course not.
there is not one thing that you can bring up from Obama's mouth or pen that was a lie.
nothing...
because that is created.
it is time for the sheep to wake up. the republican twists and old washington is leading you down the same stupid road as what got us here.
Read Obama's and McCain's platforms from 2007 and today...McCain has switched (I heard him speak many times here in NH as well...he is definitively the wrong guy to lead the country...POW or not)...
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 2:52:42 PM
George W. Obama-- like that, it has a nice ring to it.
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 8, 2008 2:55:31 PM
George W. Obama-- like that, it has a nice ring to it.
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 8, 2008 2:55:33 PM
dl - I have heard him in person in dallas. He told the crowd he would pull the troops out of IRAQ immediately. That would be a lie.
Democrats for McCain 08
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 2:57:20 PM
carolyn
not all websites contain "facts"
in fact not all "news" organizations are actually into reporting... some of them... carry an agenda!
Posted by: bhrandon | Jul 8, 2008 2:57:37 PM
mcdaddy
then you are lying, or while he was talking you stuck your fingers in your ears, took them out at random intervals and decided that the words that you could only clearly hear is what he actually said
Posted by: bhrandon | Jul 8, 2008 2:59:02 PM
bhrandon - So you were there? I am not lieing. That would be Mr. Obama
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 3:03:04 PM
Other than public finance for his campaign, I am not sure Obama has really CHANGED his position on anything. I think he has renuanced his ideas and has been emphasising his more centrist approaches, but I think he has not really changed position on much. Unlike McCain who seems to want ot pretend to be a maverick republican whilst signing up to every Bush/Cheney idea of the last 8 years (at least eventually!)
Posted by: markymark | Jul 8, 2008 3:03:30 PM
--Thanks, McDaddy--you hit the truths--these Obama supporters refuse to admit the truth. They think Obama is a god, no truth is necessary.
Posted by: Mary | Jul 8, 2008 3:06:21 PM
mcdaddy
what are you talking about
LOL
you realize the clintons had rev wright over for dinner in the white house a few times right?
lol nice try REPUB!!!!
Posted by: bhrandon | Jul 8, 2008 3:08:15 PM
First it is OUR party second I'm not ultra liberal! Third if you liked HRC policies and vote mccian you are CRAZY!
KNid of like a cult or something.
Whatever republican!
Posted by: Joe | Jul 8, 2008 3:12:26 PM
robert
what is mccains?
Posted by: bhrandon | Jul 8, 2008 3:16:19 PM
Can't we all just agree that its time to bring abe lincoln back from the dead? McCain / Obama give me a break... where have all the real presidents gone..?
Posted by: Brian | Jul 8, 2008 3:16:23 PM
bhrandon--- he spent 6years overseas.
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 8, 2008 3:18:05 PM
This man is going to make a great president. A class act back in the white house. It'll take alot of time to get the stink out from Bush and Cheney.Can't wait till January. YEAH BABY OBAMA 08
Posted by: linda n carolina | Jul 8, 2008 3:19:21 PM
Brian
they said the same thing about Lincoln.
He is weak, no convictions....and an elitist.
isn't that funny?
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 3:19:44 PM
tom
thanks for your blatant lies
Posted by: bhrandon | Jul 8, 2008 3:22:37 PM
Forgot--GWO spent x years in the south side of Chicago--I guess he realyy does have more foreign POLICY experience. We're not talking vacations here.
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 8, 2008 3:24:16 PM
bhrandon - Actually you are the one that compared Obamas experience to Reagans. I was simply pointing out that a Gov is a leader and a State Senator is not. So who is not reading?
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 3:24:52 PM
Bernadette-- just give GW Obama another week and I'm sure he'll have the same positions as McCain.
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 8, 2008 3:32:15 PM
dl - I don;t agree with everything MCCain offeres. I have several issues with him. The right to choose, and a few others. I am a Moderate Democrat. McCain is a Moderate Republican. The Liberal Democrats have hi-jacked my party. McCain is a better candidate of the two. And of the two i have to support the one that has the Proven Experience, Leadership ability and will not take more money from me than I already pay. Obama is trying to move towards the center and that is not who he is. That shows no integrity.
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 3:35:00 PM
dl- Obama has too many problems to list. He is what we call in Texas. All Hat and no Cattle.
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 3:37:22 PM
robert in cleveland
seems McCain was pretty quiet today on the timetable issue
since Maliki wants one now and is on the same page as Obama.
wasn't it McCain that trashed Romney and anyone else for that matter for saying they even hinted at a timetable?
yeah I think we will be seeing McCain coming over to Obama...not vice versa.
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 3:38:08 PM
dl - one more thing. I am a real Democrat. And I am a Christian. Which according to the Republicans is a rarity anymore. I do separate the two when I can. But my core beliefs are solid. I also value leadership. And this is very important. Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things that a man needs to believe in the most: that people are basically good; that honor, courage, and virtue mean everything; that power and money, money and power mean nothing; that good always triumphs over evil; and I want you to remember this, that love, true love, never dies... No matter if they're true or not, a man should believe in those things because those are the things worth believing in."
I do not see those things in Obama. When has he ever had to show courage, honor or integrity. We don't know. He has never been tested.
MCCain 08
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 3:46:09 PM
Obama - years of accomplishing nothing!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | Jul 8, 2008 3:52:31 PM
dl - I could care less about flip flopping. They both do it. actually I find it a strength if it is changed with conviction and not the political wind. I am in a position where I make tough decisions every day. I may have one solution that I stick with However I am not hard headed and I am willing to listen to another solution to solve a problem. If it is a better solution than mine I will run with it. That is being a mature leader. It is not flip flopping.
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 3:53:42 PM
ALL what economists. They are bought and paid for to agree. What I read in Obamas economic plan is what he promises to the sheep. But you forget. Who is paying for all his other programs.. The tax payers. there is not meat in his plans other than he will bankrupt the country. I read about half of it and became too disgusted to finish. It is total crap. I have my managers turn in a business plan every year and they make more sense than that crap does.
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 3:58:29 PM
robertin cleveland
Maliki wants the US and some of his top officials now have said that the "US can not use Iraq as a staging ground to go against Tehran"
this is bad...
McCain and Bush have now wasted more money and lives...promised or encouraged promises to be made to insurgents for positions of power and money ...that don't exist...2/3 of which will never exist...
to put us in a potentially more unstable situation than we were.
they do not want a security base or us troops in their country.
this is bad.
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 4:02:21 PM
As an Obama supporter, I like this article. It let him explain his position in his own words. As many news sources give their "analysis" or "summery" or "critique" of what the canidates say, I've learned we should get the facts from the source itself. The best thing to do is listen to or read the direct comments by McCain and Obama, and cut out the middle man.
Also, I am tired of many reporters writing articles based on another reporter's story. How about some original material that matters?
Posted by: Dave | Jul 8, 2008 4:03:09 PM
dl-- yes agree that this could be bad, but.... if Bush would say all of our troops are out by Dec. 31-this year, I think Maliki may indeed re-think that position.
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 8, 2008 4:07:04 PM
Obama: Full of sound and fury; signifying nothing!
Posted by: Soetoro No! | Jul 8, 2008 4:12:45 PM
soetoro no
isn't that you that is full of sound and fury...signifying nothing
you never put a single fact up.
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 4:14:16 PM
Soetoro - Naw that is right out of the playbook. I would be considered Rich by Obamas standards and I am a Democrat. I am no where near being rich. But I own a company and apparently I need to be taxed even more now than before. Which truely means Iwill have to cut back my staff and try to do more with less. If Obama wins I lose. So with his plans I should depend in the Gov to save me from myself and I should not work as hard to take care of my employees. I need to pay more for thier health insurance since I cannot be in a co-op with other small businesses cause Obama would not allow that. I will have to pay through the nose for worse health coverage than I have now. So much for the American Dream. If Obama wins we all lose.
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 4:25:46 PM
McDaddy
I too will get taxed more with Obama's plan...
but for the past few years I got taxed much less than I should have compared to the rest of America.
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 4:27:20 PM
Just because inequities existed in more gross rates 30-40 years ago does not mean we have to go back to those good ole days. What's wrong with flat tax. Everyone shares burden and you are still rewarded for working hard, education, smart investments, etc?
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 8, 2008 4:27:48 PM
dl - Please explain to us the Obama Bill in the senate right now that is a Wealth re-distribution bill worth $850Billion. Since you know so much about him. How about this bill?
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 4:28:03 PM
dl - do you own a small business? Have you looked at what Obama has planned for them? Just the healthcare costs alone are staggering. And likely put me out of business within a year. The Market for my business will not withstand the proces I would have to charge to meet his proposals. and I am not alone. And don;t hand me that crap about you paying not enough taxes. I guess you don't own a home and pay property, school and sales taxes. RIGHHTT!!
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 4:31:46 PM
mccrackdaddy
its kool-aid... not coolaid... love how you repubs only line of defense is some pathetic brainwashed mumbojumbo
i didnt vote for bush... twice... nor will i vote for him a third time... it is you that is drinking the kool-aid my friend
and its funny when you guys attack obama as if he looks down on people...
i mean... are you guys stupid, or is your only line of defense to try to paint obama as... .anything negative
lol, just say hes the antichrist and be done with it.
john mccain is the one who pays people to blog, if obama wants to pay me to do this, ill take the cash no problem from me
but i get no sweet cash for doing this
Posted by: bhrandon | Jul 8, 2008 4:32:02 PM
robert and McDaddy
for the rest of America...95%
we have seen they keep losing when it comes to opportunity in this country.
so the whole American dream thing...doesn't hold water when most Americans find they have to have two household incomes as a basic structure.
Remember years ago when middle class meant mothers could stay home with their kids?
For most people "the American dream" you refer to has to do with the basics...
the disparity of the disappearing middle class has (in my mind and most) the changes in tax rate and the disparity of wealthy tax burden vs. the middle class changing over those same decades.
the wealth has been redistributed over the past few decades...toward the very wealthy (I don't consider myself very wealthy...but I too would be above the single 200k income now)...
so your "redistribution" of wealth is correcting the "redistributioon" that has taken part over the past few decades...especially the last 8.
and basic resources like infrastructure, healthcare, social security and education for those 95% ...
...matter to the middle class.
that needs to be
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 4:36:32 PM
Brandon - I am Cool you must be Kool. What are you 10?
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 4:37:43 PM
McDaddy
Obama is focused on corporate influnence crushing small business...a tax break for eahc worker...
and most of all focusing on COST of healthcare.
Billing, lawsuits, pharmaceutical sales, and lack of medical professionals.
I luckily made every one of the people who work with me partners in my company.
so we take the hit...we were already providing healthcare for them...
I know what it is like to go without healthcare for a decade...
so I already took that hit.
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 4:43:51 PM
dl - that is the biggest load you have posted so far. The Middle Class number has moved up with inflation. 20 years ago $40K a year was middle class now it is considered almost poverty level. I hate to break it to you but you are totally off base there. What are you some professor at a university that has lost touch with reality? You are talking pure socialism.
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 4:44:06 PM
dl - you are in the new middleclass. $200K fits that bill.
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 4:47:59 PM
dl - Please explain to us the Obama Bill in the senate right now that is a Wealth re-distribution bill worth $850Billion. Since you know so much about him. How about this bill?
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 4:54:48 PM
McDaddy
Here is just one of the studies...there are many...
in ratio to income level the top 5% have had there tax burden grow at half the rate of the other 95%...
do a little google...you might learn something...
and thanks but no I am not a professor.
Just a guy who reads a lot and spends an enormous amount of time on politics.
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 4:57:16 PM
dl - I am not against the top 5% being taxed more. I am not in that category by any means. I am agaist taxing the Middleclass small business owners out of business. That is what I see happening with Obama. He has no clue what it is like to work your tail off for 20 years to support your family and your employees and be an honest person.
Well that just summed it up for me. Obama has no Idea.
Talk to you clowns later.
Posted by: McDaddy | Jul 8, 2008 5:02:24 PM
mcdaddy
I actually am not in the middle class now...trust me.
and I come from blue collar stock and have seen my days on the bottom of that...but as far as the Obam HAGEL (bipartisan bill duh)
850 for the us giving entitlements is HALF what we spend now ...maybe you should see that.
and it is important to keep that why...
because ...
where do you think terrorist recruitment comes from...and where are the projected areas where they see it getting worse...
the poor nations that's where.
the more poverty the more unstable the world community is.
but that takes a little more work to get to...
I know we have all gottenuuse to the bush simple cowboy way of governing but our security and our future and our economy has to do with a much more complex world than that kindergarted version of diplomacy.
but yeah 850 is about half what we spend right now...this just secures that it is not going where it shouldn't.
That is why Hagel co-sponsored.
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 5:04:52 PM
McClown is the biggest flip flopper who opposed his own bill in the senate!
Posted by: June | Jul 8, 2008 5:06:46 PM
and Mcdaddy
if you make more than 200k a year and are single ...or 250 and married...
you really are on the top of that middle class arc.
most would say you are lower level of white collar.
I think Obama's plan is the jumping off point...and I have seen him talk about small business issues...
McCain in a year of campaigning in NH I saw speak very rarely and minimally on these issues,.
Obama has the brains to do so. He gets it...god knows McCain has never been in that category...ever.
Posted by: dl | Jul 8, 2008 5:10:18 PM
bhrandon
There you go again -- flailing your arms in the air and uttering pure nonsense. You sure are opinionated. But, you're very short on logic!
Posted by: Turk | Jul 8, 2008 5:12:26 PM
Obama: A complete life exemplified by the word 'present'.
Posted by: Soetoro No! | Jul 8, 2008 5:15:08 PM
ARE YOU folks serious? I mean, our economy is collapsing, our troops are dying in this endless work in Iraq, Bin Laden's gaining a foot hold in Afghanistan, gas has gone up by 300% since Bush and the Republicans gianed, power, and you STILL criticize the man who wants to return us to the glory days of the 90s?
Obama IS THE FUTURE and if you want to have a decent future without you kids having to scrounge for food in the garbage dump, VOTE OBAMA.
Posted by: John | Jul 8, 2008 5:31:35 PM
John
That's what happens when the democrats control congress.
Posted by: T | Jul 8, 2008 5:33:01 PM
Ok dl&McDaddy--I'm back now. Please address my issue that the rich are being taxed much higher than 30-40 years ago. This is the Robin Hood syndrome. The richer worked harder to get to their status.
Posted by: Robert in Cleveland | Jul 8, 2008 7:01:14 PM
T: Ok the democrats have been in control for only a year and a half, you can't blame them for trying to solve our problems but it's either fillobustered by the republicans who are paid off and are making good money from our pain, our it's vetoed by Bush.
The democrats need a democratic president to fix America. Our mess is caused completely by the republicans.
Posted by: John | Jul 8, 2008 7:35:02 PM
And at that point we would have our troops out, our combat troops out, in about 16 months.”
***************
Another flip flop as he defends himself. Previously he did NOT Include the flip flop of adding the
"...our combat troops out...."
He previously said Troops and not combat troops. It is now obvious that he has flip flopped again and he intends to keep non combat troops in Iraq. the same as McCain said... Obama is simply adopting the Bush agenda. Obama is such a liar. We can not trust anything he says.
But then his adoring faithful who see him as the Messiah can see no wrong, hear no wrong, and say no wrong. Obama is their Messiah and they prefer to worship Obama as a False Idol.
Posted by: DemocratNoMore2 | Jul 8, 2008 9:09:41 PM
WAIT A MINUTE. DID I MISS SOMETHING. OBAMA IS AGAINST NUCLEAR POWER. IS HE NOW IN FAVOR OF NUCLEAR POWER. I CAN NOT BELIEVE IT. OMG I MISSED THAT FLIP FLOP.
I KNOW OBAMA IS SOLID AGAINST NUCLEAR POWER. HAS HE CHANGED HIS MIND ON THAT ALSO. I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT.
I KNOW OBAMA HAS GONE TO CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS TO LEARN THAT GOD IS BLACK AND GOD HATES WHITE AND BLACK POWER IS GOD. BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY FOR 20 YEARS. HAS HE FLIP FLOPPED ON HATING WHITE PEOPLE TOO. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT. DOES OBAMA CLAIM HE LOVES WHITE PEOPLE NOW. WHAT DOES MICHELLE AND THE 2 CHILDREN THINK OF THAT FLIP FLOP.
Posted by: DemocratNoMore2 | Jul 8, 2008 9:19:29 PM
Obama will claim he hasn't eaten any eggs even if the egg yolk is showing all over his teeth.
NO OBAMA 08
Posted by: HillarySupporter4MCCAIN | Jul 8, 2008 10:11:49 PM
He really thinks that we have not been listening and watching. He is a moving target, always refusing to take reponsibility for his words. He needs to redo Deval Patrick's speech again. Incredible!
Posted by: georgia | Jul 8, 2008 11:14:01 PM
He is taking responsibility for his words by emphasizing that he has been saying the same thing about Iraq since 2006! The media has been irresponsible by not defusing the faux controversy that he flip-flopped on Iraq.
Posted by: Jennifer | Jul 8, 2008 11:38:20 PM
Bush had taken his father's revenge
big time (Gazillions in his
pocket - on top of it).
McCain also is after his old
revenge.
Obama acts like , walks like a
regular guy.
I think he is not after anything.
He knows he is going to be making
a history. He is smart to know this.
He is not going to screw up.
I am wondering how he is going to clean up, all those dirty politicians.
Poer to him.
Posted by: Yekta | Jul 9, 2008 1:25:20 AM
Obama just voted to END debate and FOR FISA--with the Tele-comm amnesty that he promised to filibuster.
Hillary voted NO to ending debate and NO to the final FISA bill.
Obama voted FOR Bush and FOR domestic spying!
WHO has the Judgment?
Posted by: Pete PUMA | Jul 9, 2008 3:54:00 PM
Barack Obama is a master manipulator and a mincer of words. This guy has severe bi-polar, an unstable mental state or he has a major personality disorder he needs to deal with. How can he change his mind on every turn and expect to explain it away like this??? He forgets what he says 2 months or 2 weeks ago. OMG>> He blames everything and everybody for his errors, mistakes, reversals, misspeaks, denouncing etc. etc.. etc. and flip flopping. And THATS EXACTLY WHAT HE IS DOING.. FLIP FLOPPING. No mincing of words needed here. When he doesn't like the questioning, or someone brings flip flopping to his attention, he tries to use words to make you think that you are wrong for thinking the way you do and not his way.
Posted by: ML | Jul 9, 2008 4:17:52 PM
Hey DL,
They may have said that about Lincoln, but he was a REBUPLICAN!!!! Yes, that's right, Lincoln was a Republican! Not a pablum puking liberal democrat!
Posted by: Solyd_Truth | Jul 9, 2008 6:37:15 PM
Obama WILL NOT BE president. He will barely lose because of his immense popularity but he will not win. Remember that when you turn up for the pole and waste your vote. It doesn't add up. His support base is waining as he vascillates ever so greatly against his grassroots supporters.
While it would be nice to have an African American president, Obama is no Colin Powell. Now Colin Powell is a real American patriot that has the experience and know how to govern this nation. Unfortunately, he is not running. Instead you have a Junior Senator with great rehearsed speaking ability and magnetic personality for the Dems........they screwed up. Instead of giving their support to Hillary, the decided that they should swing with Obama. Good luck with that! America will have experience and determination win out over youth and pragmatism. Like I said, it won't be a landslide but Obama WILL LOSE!
Posted by: Solyd_Truth | Jul 9, 2008 6:44:34 PM
John McCain would strengthen our alliances, keep America safe, and enhance American prosperity by expanding trade.
Obama says he would meet unconditionally with the world’s worst dictators, from Ahmadinejad to Castro to Kim Jong Il.
John McCain will draw on his deep experience in national security affairs to lead America to success in Iraq and Afghanistan, win in the struggle against violent Islamic extremists, and enhance America’s alliances and partnerships around the world. He will expand trade and boost America’s economy and ens



