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Ron Paul Gets Bigger Soapbox for Shadow Convention

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July 22, 2008 9:14 AM

ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf reports: Ron Paul is not holding his breath for a speaking slot at the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis/St. Paul in September and he has long planned a day-long shadow convention to give him an arena to expound his limited government mantra.

But, worried about the size of his arena, his new political action group--The Campaign for Liberty--has booked a bigger one.

They'll announce today they've changed from the Williams Arena at the University of Minnesota to the much larger Target Center, seating capacity: 18,000.

Paul's supporters have been undefinable and unknown throughout the election cycle. There are the loud and sometimes rowdy, usually young sign-waving blimp renters, omnipresent in the early primary states during the Republican race. And there is the legion of online supporters, contributing millions online and creating what Paul hopes will be a lasting grassroots framework.

But there were not (on balance) many voters for Paul, who while he stayed in the race against Sen. McCain longer than any of his GOP rivals, has very few Republican delegates.

So Paul's shadow convention (speakers include anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist, shaggy haired cable personality Tucker Carlson, and Barry Goldwater Jr.,)  will be a test of his new group's staying power and organizational mettle. Supporters have been encouraged to exploit state delegate rules to get appointed to, infiltrate and make themselves known at the national convention before decamping for the Target Center.

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Go Ron Paul. We need to take out the Federal Reserve Bank, and give our nation the right to coin it's own money, interest free.

Since 1913 we are now 9 trillion in debt to the private monopoly 'The Fed.' Which many are learning, is not a govt. branch, but a group of 300 men who take 40% of US income taxes as 'interest.' Usurers run our country.

I'm a 39 yr old white female, married with kids. I've got the sense to read for myself, you should to. Look it up.

Ron Paul wants to stand up to those men, take em out of the loop and reestablish our government, as it was intended by Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and even Andrew Jackson. We've got a reincarnated Andrew Jackson in Ron Paul (figuratively speaking), wish the South would wake up. America needs a revolution, without bloodshed.

PLEASE. I pray for Americans to wake up and take back their government. Run for office and win. Say NO to those special interests running our policy and world policy. WTO, The Federal Reserve,the World Bank, etc.

Can you imagine American's quality of life if we no longer "owed" the Federal Reserve Bank? We wouldn't need to pay income taxes. And what happens if you refuse to pay income taxes to pay the Fed? You go to jail. Debtor's prison.

The Income tax was established to pay the Fed, a group of businessmen who came along and decided to exploit the system of our constitution, by commandeering the government's right to coin it's own money. Politicians have messed up America with their bad policies and lack of good policies. Most of them are not in it for us. They are the henchpeople of the Fed.

Posted by: Lisa W | Jul 22, 2008 10:30:42 AM

@jason
The IRS in its current form is unconstitutional, given what the definition of income actually is. The 16th Amendment which empowered congress to create the IRS is against the founding principals of this country (No taxation without representation). Please tell me, what good has the federal department of education done in the last twenty years? Cut its minimal funding? Enforce no child left behind? Let me ask you another question: are you comfotable being ruled by a foreign government? That is the UN. Maybe you should be ashamed of your knowledge how the US government was designed, and its current state of disrepair.

Posted by: fairtax | Jul 22, 2008 10:36:15 AM

My head is spinning from all of the conspiratorial nonsense being spewed here. The UN is a foreign government? Income Tax was established to pay the Fed (which came along 50 years after the first income tax)? The Fed is unconstitutional (ever heard of the Necessary and Proper clause)? Do you people all get your talking points from the nutjobs at the John Birch Society?

And since when do Libertarian-minded people (which I presume many Ron Paul supporters are) favor taking a semi-private institution (the Fed) and giving its power solely to the government?

Posted by: Kyle | Jul 22, 2008 10:40:29 AM

The media is owned by the Fed billionaires and their cronies, the ones who are really in power own America's media. And they own the loans on not only the media, but the banks. And that's why the banks are crashing now. The Fed orchestrated this bubble and this crash by putting pressure on and calling in the loans on these organizations last May 2007. Now they, with their government spokesman Paulson, are trying to GRAB more power. We really need to stop them. There are some in Congress who would stop them, but they can't do it alone. Obama met with those guys (the 300), and it was blacked out in the conventional media.

What about Ron Paul's march on WA?

Hey, Ron Paul, contact Bruce at NACA, they are in DC this week fighting to save people's homes. He hates the dudes who run the show. Ask him to mobilize his legions for you.

Posted by: Lisa W. | Jul 22, 2008 10:40:51 AM

Ron Paul desires better than this hack article attempts to delivery.

The media trys to put Ron Paul in a questionable roll at every turn.

I feel Ron Paul is just what this country needs to move in the right directiion.

Posted by: Randy J | Jul 22, 2008 10:41:22 AM

So much of what we perceive is only as valid as what we are led to believe.

I think our government has gotten fatter, more oppresive, and taxing than the one our founders threw off to establish this new union of colonies.

It is high time we had a Tea party or our own. Our nations capital is overrun with crime, our so called leaders promise us the world and then once they get established for get all about us. They are all like abunch a ticks on a hound, they are sucked up tight, and getting fatter everyday from the blood of this country.

We need mandatory military service the wasy Israel does, and no citizen shall hold a public offie that does not vote or serve. We do not need the UN. We are not responsible for the atrocities that other countries commit against their own people, and we are at war with an enemy that is conving, cowardly, and has no qualms about killing women and children.

They brought the fight to us once, and how did we respond, we tightened the noose around ourselves (TSA is a joke).

I vote with my dollars. I refuse to spend my money on things that support those I disagree with.

We can all vote with our dollars. If you want change, then you make change.

Posted by: Russ | Jul 22, 2008 10:46:28 AM

Our money is currently backed by the good faith of the Federal Reserve.
There is nothing to back it up, well actually there is. Treasury notes.
Has anyone noticed how the amount of dollars in circulation is remarkably similar to the federal debt?
That is not a coincidence.
Our money is backed by the good faith of the Federal Reserve, which is backed by Treasury notes, which are backed by us and our taxes.
Pretty clever little scheme ain't it?

Posted by: john | Jul 22, 2008 10:49:59 AM

It's unbelievable to me, that so many people just puppet what they hear on radio and TV. Demacrocy is sick, 49% of the people loose their liberties because 51% of the people find their personal choices wronge. Unfortunately the US is a representive democracy, but that isn't what we are supposed to be. It's a lack of respect for the constitution that is the reason the things like the FISA bill, or patriot act or taxation without representation (the federal reserve) happen.

Viva la revolution!

Posted by: Brew Crew | Jul 22, 2008 10:50:26 AM

The more I read about non Ron Paul supporters, the more appalled I am. Why anyone would want someone else telling them what they can and cannot do is beyond me. Why anyone would want to give up freedom for dictatorship is beyond me. Why anyone would think I would get on my knees and obey their every command is beyond me. I make my own choices. And I will protect those rights to the end of my days. For the first time, in my adult life, seeing how many americans are willing to bend over and give it all away, I am truly ashamed.

Posted by: Brock | Jul 22, 2008 10:51:48 AM

All anyone has to do is paint Ron Paul and his voters as nutjobs to keep the status-quo.

But, if you can, go to his website and read what he has to say. I think he is intelligent, well-read, and speaking to Americans, not global billionaires.

Try it, I dare ya. :)

Posted by: Paul | Jul 22, 2008 10:53:51 AM

I've voted democrat in every presidential election since I turned 18. And honestly, looking back, I'm still proud of those decisions. Even though they are considered the BIG government party, Clinton did more to decrease the size (exenditures and personnel)of the Federal government than any president that I'm aware of. (Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.) However, at the same time I don't agree with deregulation without sound reasoning. I'm not one of those people who truly believes that everyone else is an idiot. Everything was deregulated at first - right? There is a reason why we don't still live in the Wild Wild West. I love the idea of personal privacy and not having to be listed in a hundred different government and corporate databases. Personally, I believe most government agencies are overfed, top - heavy, ineffective sink holes. However, I understand these agencies grew due to real world complexities. Maybe we need to reexamine the issues each agency is supposed to address. But we are going to have to drop all the dramatic grand standing, sit down and spend some time analyzing the real issues. We spend way too much mental energy trying to find fault with various points of view. I don't know about anyone else, but I am SICK of political pundits. Left, right, male, female - all of them. It would be more effective if some of our 'leaders' would sit down together and make some sound decisions. Let's dimantle the IRS (national sales tax or 10% flat tax) and revamp EVERY federal agency. Oh yeah - term limits! term limits! term limits! Just a few thoughts...

Posted by: Nichole | Jul 22, 2008 10:55:42 AM

I support Ron Paul. He is one of the last honest people in Congress. I can't make it to Minnesota, but I do wish him and his supporters there good luck.

Posted by: Ben Straub | Jul 22, 2008 10:58:58 AM

Yep, and the "soapbox" is gonna keep getting bigger. The more people we can educate about what has been going on in this country for the last century, the more who are going to abandon their illusions about "government taking care of everything". The R3VOLution has begun, and the mainstream media's days of keeping the populace dumbed down are numbered. Hope you stashed some gold or silver away folks, because the American penny is now worth less than the metal used to mint it.

Posted by: geminisoup | Jul 22, 2008 10:59:59 AM

Jason – -- Ron Paul actually loves democracy and liberty more than anyone currently running for office. That’s why he wants to get the US out of the UN and get the UN out of the US. Our sovereignty is giving way to UN control more every day. Breaking away from them would be the best thing for America. Several people want to abolish the IRS. It will have to be replaced by some kind of tax but the system we have simply isn’t working. Mike Huckabee is actually the one who led the ‘fair tax’ fight. Our current education system in America is shameful. Almost every industrialized nation on Earth is ahead of us. Literacy rate in America was higher 100 years ago than it is now. We need to do something fast. ..... Ron Paul has a lot of good ideas. I don’t agree with all of them. I would vote for him except for one thing. He always appears to be in a frustrated panic. Panicky people scare me, you never know what they are going to do when it hits the fan. If frustrated people don’t get what they think they want, they do stupid things. Paul seem like an intelligent honorable man. His frustrated panic scares me.

Posted by: Royce | Jul 22, 2008 11:00:09 AM

This is going to be much bigger and more exciting than the official convention.

Posted by: Mitch | Jul 22, 2008 11:00:55 AM

In response to jason above -

For the record, the United States is not a democracy. It is a Republic. Perhaps if you understood the original structure of the government our founding fathers intended, you would understand that the Department of Education has only served to make the public less educated (this is verifiable - it is statistically easier to get passing grades now than even before No Child Left Behind - let alone a generation ago). And the Income Tax is, as a direct tax that is not apportioned, is not constitutional. Oh, and I guess you're okay with hundreds or even thousands of law-abiding, tax-paying citizens who get unjustly harassed by the IRS.

Understand, governments are created to serve the people. In this country, we now are servants to the government.

And on the UN, forget the fact that they make a public mockery of the US routinely, and simply ask what we, as a nation, have received from this "group". I would propose, not much. Another layer of talk, and ineffective bureaucracy that passes resolutions that don't mean anything.

Yeah, that whole oil for food scandal came right out of the UN.

I challenge you to read the Constitution of the United States of America.

All of the challenges that our country faces today are directly related to areas of that document that we have neglected.

Our country relies on the power of the individual. That is the backbone of our country.

Our founding fathers could not have imagined the socialist, collectivist mentality that now pervades this land, nor would they permit it.

It is time to realize that much of what we have been spoon-fed by our government and the mainstream media our entire lives is part of an agenda.

Until 1913, there was no income-tax. Now, you do not even question whether there should be an income-tax. I'm sure you believe that the income tax we pay provides governmental services, etc. In reality, all the income-tax pays for is the interest on the money that the Federal Reserve System (which is actually a private corporation) loans to our government. Yes, our government, which has the constitutional authority to create money, has delegated that authority to a private company that then charges them interest on that money.

I could continue typing all day. But the very fact that you, and the vast majority of Americans believe that the U.S. is a democracy is too frustrating.

Pick up a copy of the Constitution. Read some of Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. THIS COUNTRY IS A REPUBLIC. THE INDIVIDUAL IS TO BE PROTECTED FROM TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY.

Posted by: AJ | Jul 22, 2008 11:03:55 AM

Ron Paul was the only one that explained why our foreign policy is detrimental to our health. For this, I applaud him. I hope the republicans loose simply because of the disrespect they showed Paul in the debates. He was also the only candidate, it seems, that understood the true reasons behind our march towards economic bankruptcy. I hope Ron Paul is around for decades to come to keep up his consistent message of small government, fiscal responsibility, and personal responsibility.

Posted by: Huh | Jul 22, 2008 11:05:23 AM

Ron Paul got me excited about politics for the first time. Finally someone with integrity and honesty.

Posted by: Sue | Jul 22, 2008 11:07:18 AM

Those foolish Ron Paul supporters.
Wanting to spend their own money?
Silly people, that's the government's job.
Abolish the Fed and have our currency backed by something tangible like gold?
Crazy talk!
Scale back the federal government and allow people and the individual states to make their own decisions?
Lunacy! Republican and Democrat party members know better than you!
We need to be governed by the strong hand of Washington D.C. and blanket rules and regulations, not local governments making decisions based upon their individual situations.
One size fits all!
Imagine that these silly Ron Paul supporters actually want to control where their children go to school and what they study.
They don't want their kids in our fabulous union run liberal indoctrination centers?
The arrogance!
Yeah, those silly Ron Paul supporters must have some serious loose screws banging around their heads.

Posted by: john | Jul 22, 2008 11:08:08 AM

Ron Paul was dead on in 95% of the things he said, from foreign policy to taxes. The only thing I was skeptical about was his desire to go back to the gold standard. As an economist, I have to say that this policy probably wouldn't have the results he'd hope for. Other than that, Ron Paul is the man.

Posted by: Brian | Jul 22, 2008 11:19:04 AM

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