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Kaine: Lieberman for President
August 01, 2008 12:16 PM
ABC News' Jan Crawford Greenburg reports: It was just last week that the McCain VP hysteria was at a fever pitch, after a couple news outlets breathlessly speculated that his running mate selection was imminent.
This week, it was an uncharacteristic media blitz around Tim Kaine, after a page one story in the Washington Post that he'd told associates he was on Obama's "short-list" for VP. The Virginia Governor then made the rounds with TV and radio interviews.
But before everyone gets ready to anoint Tim Kaine as Obama's VP, consider this startling fact, which has some of the liberal blogs up in arms: Tim Kaine endorsed Joe Lieberman for president in 2004—over both John Edwards and John Kerry.
Here's what Kaine said then, according to a story in the Richmond Times-Dispatch:
"Joe's record as a state official and senator shows he has the qualities necessary to lead our nation, strengthen our economy and promote a safer world," Kaine said. "Joe is the right person to revive the Harry Truman wing of the Democratic Party, which has traditionally been strong for national defense, strong for the economy and strong for equal opportunity."
The story goes on to say that Kaine had applauded Lieberman's nomination as Al Gore's vice president because "he clearly personified the party's commitment to faith, family and a values-based approach to public life."
Of course, Independent Democrat Joe Lieberman is now one of McCain's closest advisers and most dedicated campaigners—and on McCain's own shortlist for VP.
It's entirely unclear whether or not Lieberman will be John McCain's VP—the prospect is on the table, but it's obviously an enormously risky move that could inflame the Republican base.
But even if he's not the pick, it's easy to see how much fun the McCain folks would have pointing out that VP nominee Kaine thought so highly of Lieberman he endorsed for him for President just four years before.
And if Lieberman and Kaine were the actual VP nominees? Imagine the potential for a Bensten-Quayle moment in the VP debate.
Lieberman could point out Kaine's position two years ago that it would "send a horrible message to cut and run from Iraq." And then he could have this kicker: "you even endorsed me in 2004!"
But before we get ahead of ourselves here, let's talk timing. It looks like the selections from either side aren't imminent--we've now reached Aug. 1 without an announcement from either camp, despite lots of earlier reporting that an announcement from one or the other was guaranteed by the end of July.
Sources close to McCain now are saying, well, pretty much what they've said all along—McCain's pick is likely to come after Obama makes his selection and probably just before the Republican National Convention in early September.
They insist McCain has not made up his mind—nor decided what path he will take with the nomination. As I reported yesterday, he is weighing whether to tap a conventional conservative like Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty or Rob Portman—or whether to go an entirely different route with a "transformative" pick like moderates Tom Ridge or Lieberman.
Some of them have advised McCain to fully vet one from each camp—then wait and see what Obama does before making the final call. But at the end of the day, the decision is going to be John McCain's—and while politics and numbers will play a role, of course, it's more likely going to turn on who he sees himself actually governing with.
On the Obama side, the New York Times' terrific Jeff Zeleny (and my former Chicago Trib colleague) is reporting that campaign aides say nothing is imminent before mid-August.
Which gives us plenty of time for more speculation.
August 1, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (24)
Yeah Kaine's done...already was.
It's between Bayh and Biden at this point...and a little further back Clinton.
But it is looking as of the last few days it's back to logic and Biden.
"Gaffe machines" are innoculated from big media blitxes over their gaffes to some extent (See John mcCain)...newbies to the national scene that have never been in an attack dog scenarion will epxlode on the first gaffe.
Obama needs familiarity ...numero uno. It outweighs a lot...
that combined with the last three months of historically unmatched movement and success getting things doen in a useless congress...put Biden back at the top of the logical and right choice...
whether you like him or not.
Obama needs trust from the American people to achieve change...that will only happen with familairity walking next to him reassuring the American people this guy can be trusted.
He needs John mcCain of the dems...that would be Joe Biden.
and Hillary being an integral part of the team (sec of state or taking the role of Ted Kennedy in the congress...working with Biden)
and John Edwards as ag.
Posted by: dl | Aug 1, 2008 12:31:19 PM
Were is the news on McCain and the oil. How much money did McCain get from those people yesterday???
Posted by: becky | Aug 1, 2008 12:31:35 PM
I agree McCain is either not very intellegent or he is just slipping in his old age, Obama is just a little too arrogent and Optimistic to me to be president. Neither has real idea's to fix our problems. Until they come up with solutions to fix our economy. McCain and Obama need better plans to fix our economy, and this energy crisis. The economy and energy go hand and hand. I mean it makes me sick to see these candidates getting side tracked when there are real issues to deal with. Did you see this video of Obama appearing with Ludicris the rapper? I understand that he is just trying to get the youth vote, but we are in such bad shape that candidates really shouldnt take time to pander about. The video is at http://www.TheObamaPlan.com Or take McCain for example. He took time off to have a whos who cook out. Not to mention the infamous viagra video moment. LOL, You can see that video at http://www.McCanes.com I dont think McCain is sharp enough to hold the office. I dont think Obama is realistic enough to hold the office. I guess we are just screwed. Unless you like Bob Barr or Ron Paul, there is alot of online talk of these two teaming up, their is even a website called BarrPaul08 its at http://www.BarrPaul08.com Oh and green. I might be throwing my vote away this year with one of those third party candidates. Unless McCain picks Huckabee. I may vote for McCain then, Because I think Huckabee would have a very positive impact on this countrys economy. I may have even voted for hillary if she had been the dem nominee. Im still not sure who Im voting for, Maybe I will make my decision in the booth.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 1, 2008 12:34:45 PM
Obama
Ateam of Rivals
Biden VP
Sec of State Richardson or Clinton (if she takes the role of Ted Kennedy in the congress)
Assist sec of state will be Rice
Sec of Defense Gates, Hagel or Powell
Sec of Treasury Dodd, Bloomberg or the other Gates
National Security - Hagel or Webb or maybe s. Rice
Atty General Edwards
Sec of Energy Schwarzenegger with Gore being a special czar or envoy.
If he and a team like this going into November it would be a blow out.
Posted by: dl | Aug 1, 2008 12:36:53 PM
becky ... did you perhaps miss that it was Obama who voted for the Cheney energy bill while McCain (and Clinton) voted AGAINST it? I would think that Exxon is happier with BHO than JSM, wouldn't you?
Posted by: beebop | Aug 1, 2008 12:40:31 PM
beebop I don't think Exxon would be happy without their ex-lobbyists and lawyers new employer won...
that would be McCain.
so lets be honest.
Posted by: dl | Aug 1, 2008 12:43:01 PM
dl -
Sounds phony too me. What is Zero-bama's role? Giving speeches, and making house deals?
Posted by: fact check | Aug 1, 2008 12:44:35 PM
When I lived in Little Rock, in the eighties, one of my friends had a sister who came down from New York. Her intent was to stay permanently. After three months, she hightailed it back to New York. I asked my friend Ruth why her sister went back to New York? Was Little Rock a little too country for her? She laughed and said her sister liked Little Rock a lot, but that it was too hard in Arkansas to get on “public assistance.” I asked her why the hell her sister (in her twenties, white, healthy) needed to be on public assistance? Her answer stunned me. She said her sister didn’t have much of an education, and if she got a job, she’d have to settle for something menial like waiting tables or cleaning hotel rooms. It was just easier to be on “public assistance.” I was shocked! I put myself through college waiting tables in my aunt’s restaurant. My parents only had enough money to send one kid to college, and guess what? The money went to my brother. In their thinking, I was a girl and didn’t need an education the way he did. I don’t hold any grudge against them for that. They did what they thought was right. I’ve worked hard, and made my own way in life. I started out waiting tables, got a degree from the University of Arkansas at Little Rock, and now I’m an executive secretary in a major corporation. Nobody gave me anything. I earned it all on my own. By the way, I still keep in touch with Ruth in New York. Her sister’s a big Obama supporter. Somehow I’m not surprised. She fits right in with that crowd.
Posted by: RepublicanAndProudOfIt | Aug 1, 2008 12:45:48 PM
I like Biden, wasn't Bayd for clinton, there he goes. Personally I don't care if he's republican. I like the bulldog Hagel. That guys cool.
Posted by: Jesse Smith | Aug 1, 2008 12:47:25 PM
Jesse Smith: I saw an interview with Hagel after his trip with Obama last week. I was impressed with him also.
I think Obama should consider him or maybe Colin Powell. Either one I would like.
Posted by: becky | Aug 1, 2008 12:57:34 PM
Colin Powell would NEVER agree to be Obama's VP. That would be a disgrace to his character!
Posted by: Jane Hussein Obama | Aug 1, 2008 1:06:25 PM
McCain and Obama tied at 44% according to Gallup. Way to go, President John McCain!
Posted by: Jane Hussein Obama | Aug 1, 2008 1:07:43 PM
Hagel is a good person but a Republican. However, neither of these factors should rule him out, for good person and smart and capable together, as in this case...which begs the question, Why is he a Republican?...might give us a worthy second banana.
Posted by: Richard McDonough | Aug 1, 2008 1:07:45 PM
Colin Powell is a traitor who lied to help initiate the Iraq war fiasco.
Posted by: Michael | Aug 1, 2008 1:23:16 PM
Powell quit his job because he was AGAINST the war in Iraq from day 1, but Bush wouldn't listen to him. Powell would be a great asset to Obama, but let's be honest. America is not ready for top two jobs in the country to be held by black men. Not being racist, just honest.
Posted by: Ray | Aug 1, 2008 1:45:15 PM
In Case you need reminding why Romney cant be Veep, just go to http://www.hotpres.com they have put together a few of Romneys attack ads used against mccain during the primary, not to mention a video of him calling mccain dishonest. Thats not counting the beat up evangelecals who have been complely left out of the process this year. I guess it doesnt matter. I dont think McCain can win as the Nominee anyway. Could you imagine McCain even having enough energy to run your local Mcdonalds. Seriously. Think about it next time your in line watching the Mcdonalds manager run around taking orders and shouting orders. McCain couldnt do it. So I ask You, how will McCain be president??? Looks as though the RNC got behind the wrong candidate and they will pay for it., Guess they should of let the primary season play out without trying to minupulate the outcome.. Good news is i think McCain is just about done, I wouldnt doubt the GOP ditch him at the last second and run a younger more charasmatic charachter. Did you see him knock all that stuff off the shelf at the supermarket. the video is at http://www.mccanes.com all the while barack obama is looking like an NBA super star, (arrogence and all) even taking time to stop and have a cigar break video at http://www.theobamaplan.com
Posted by: Jane | Aug 1, 2008 2:00:05 PM
I think all Kaine needs to say is that it's Lieberman who has moved not the Democratic Party, and that Lieberman has sacrificed the last two principles Kaine has spoken about, a strong economy and strong on equal opportunities, for a false way of backing the first. I think Kaine would be a good pick in a lot of ways, though personally I think the Dems can take Virginia without Kaine.
Posted by: markymark | Aug 1, 2008 2:26:35 PM
Kaine, Bayh and Biden would all be good picks for Obama. Biden is probably the best since he can definitely show the required aggressiveness during the campaign, and be a voice of experience afterward if Obama wins.
Posted by: K.F. Miller | Aug 1, 2008 8:33:13 PM
Today we saw McCain's interview from 2001 when he pretended that the ANTHRAX powder sent to poison liberals at NBC and the Senate had been sent by the Iraqi's. Now we know, it was sent by an employee of a US biological weapons Fort in Maryland. But the White House sent out disinformation that it was sent to us by Iraqi's.
Why? Why did McCain help spread this lie to convince you to support the coming war against the Iraqi's?
Posted by: Bruce Becker | Aug 1, 2008 11:50:54 PM
Did anyone catch Kaine on Charlie Rose the other night? I was impressed. He spoke nonstop for an hour about Obama's policy positions. This is just what he needs, an articulate spokesman. But they'll have to something about the hair. It's distracting.
Posted by: Joel Goldberger | Aug 2, 2008 12:48:30 AM
McCain should pick Gov SARAH PALIN for VP or Mitt Romney. And just to show his bipartisan openess - willingness to cross party lines McCain should ask Barack Obama to be his speech writer. That is, after all, what Omama does best - talks high; sounds good; doesn't matter what the content is.
As for Obam's VP - I don't it matters. No one could change him into an effective and responsible leader of the free world.
Posted by: Mary McCurry | Aug 2, 2008 1:04:43 AM
Mary,
As an Obama supporter we couldn't agree more with your choice of Mitt Romney as VP. In that way in September the Dem 527's could start playing the derogatory comments each one made against the other in the primaries. This could be done in an endless loop - right up until election day...
Fantastic idea I as a stanch Obama supporter wholeheartedly agree with your VP choice!
Posted by: Davis | Aug 2, 2008 1:13:59 AM
Kaine, Bayh, Biden.
So much for "change," eh?
Posted by: Thomas Mc | Aug 2, 2008 12:00:09 PM
Actually, Evan Bayh would be a smart choice.
Great two-term governor, very populary U.S. Senator. Fiscally conservative, (fairly) socially progressive did incredible job running the state, has foreign policy experience, and can debate like there's no tomorrow.
I think Evan would be a smart choice.
Biden, not so much. Who would ever get him to shut up once he got started?
Posted by: Martin | Aug 3, 2008 2:05:09 AM
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