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McCain Accuses Obama of Trying to 'Legislate Failure' in Iraq For Political Gain
August 18, 2008 12:29 PM
ABC News's Bret Hovell reports: Addressing the national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars this morning in Orlando, John McCain came down harshly on rival Barack Obama for on his position and opinion on the Iraq war.
So what’s new?
This: McCain takes a new tack in tying Obama's positions on the war to his personal desire to be president. "Behind all of these claims and positions by Senator Obama lies the ambition to be president."
This is of course not the first time McCain has hit Obama on Iraq, and it is not the harshest attack. The harshest was the line that said roughly: Senator Obama would rather lose a war to win a campaign. This new line seems to get at the same point in a less accusatory fashion.
McCain talked about Iraq having potential as a "peaceful and democratic ally" in the Middle East, which could be "squandered by a hasty withdrawal and arbitrary timelines."
"This is one of many problems in the shifting positions of my opponent, Senator Obama," McCain said. "With less than three months to go before the election, a lot of people are still trying to square Senator Obama's varying positions on the surge in Iraq."
McCain went on to describe Obama’s opposition to the surge, and what he describes as Obama trying to "prevent funding for the troops who carried out the surge."
"Not content to merely predict failure in Iraq, my opponent tried to legislate failure," McCain said. "This was back when supporting America's efforts in Iraq entailed serious political risk. It was a clarifying moment. It was a moment when political self-interest and the national interest parted ways...'
Then the new line: political ambition is behind Obama’s positions, per McCain.
"Behind all of these claims and positions by Senator Obama," McCain said, "lies the ambition to be president. What's less apparent is the judgment to be commander-in-chief."
August 18, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (59)
McCain further went on the say that he knows where Bin Lada is. The under lying message is that if the U.S. elects him, he'll tell the world where he is.
Just in from the justice dept, " If he knows where the terrirst is, why harbor him? Why not come clean now?"
So is McCain lying? or is he harboring a known terrorist?
Posted by: DAVID NH | Aug 18, 2008 12:43:10 PM
So, according to McCain, behind all of his claims and positions he has no ambition to be president (as he runs for the 2nd time).
a McGoo line of attack
Posted by: watching | Aug 18, 2008 12:49:49 PM
After his actions with Georgia he has no room to talk. He has become one of this country's leading hypocrites.
Posted by: The Unshrub | Aug 18, 2008 12:51:36 PM
McCain - would rather start a war than lose an election.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 18, 2008 12:54:05 PM
McCain's "honorable" campaign rumbles on! Really classy, Walnuts.
Posted by: SpaceCat | Aug 18, 2008 12:54:10 PM
The war in Iraq is and was always will be a mistake. Perpetuating this mistake is insane. McCain supported the war from its onset and continues to support our staying indefenitely based on some nefarious, undefined, vision for Iraq that will never happen. The war in Iraq will not be lost when we leave. It was lost the moment we invaded based on faulty intelligence to drive out some two-bit dictator to prove we were tough on terrorism even though there was no known ties to the terrorists. McCain was wrong at the beginning of the war and is wrong now.
Posted by: indy_voter | Aug 18, 2008 12:55:35 PM
mccain would rather see american soldiers and iraqi civilian die than end the war in iraq.
Posted by: johnosahon | Aug 18, 2008 1:00:22 PM
McCain says he wants to end Iraq based on the situation on the ground. Is the Iraqi government kicking us out part of that situational assessment?
And them telling us to get out... does that constitute a win or a loss? We never got that explanation from the administration.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 18, 2008 1:05:42 PM
POTUS OBAMA - ITS INEVITABLE
With McCain as competition, this is going to be a LANDSLIDE.
Posted by: Nat Turner | Aug 18, 2008 1:07:14 PM
Some of Huck's Army has gone rouge., theyve started a petition asking Huckabee to leave the GOP, and start a new party. http://www.mccanes.com/newparty.html
Posted by: Peter | Aug 18, 2008 1:07:36 PM
Who is telling the truth?
Warren claimed Senator McCain was in the "cone of silence".
McCain's own campaign has said he was not in the cone of silence.
This sounds just like McCain's Town Hall meetings where it's by invitation only.
Posted by: Dan | Aug 18, 2008 1:13:08 PM
"If I'm president of the United States, my friends, if I have to follow him to the gates of hell, I will get bin Laden and bring him to justice. I will do that. And I know how to do that. I will get that done".
So I get it. McCain knows how to get Bin Laden, he's a powerful U.S. Senator, but he's not sharing the info unless we elect him president? In the meantime, Bin Laden remains free to plan and execute attacks against American interests. Sounds like McCain would rather win a campaign than protect America.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | Aug 18, 2008 1:14:22 PM
McCain was turned into a pompous, arrogant liar. He doesn't even try and speak to issues anymore, he just bashes Obama with distortion and bigoted jokes. He learned well from Rove, apparently.
Posted by: JR | Aug 18, 2008 1:18:23 PM
All I can say is that McCain is scary. The man thinks that we can solve all the world's problems by going to war and then staying perpetually in a war. I ask John McCain "What about our children? Should they have to pay with their future for his blind ambition to be president?" It is McCain, not Obama who is letting his political ambition cloud reality.
Posted by: paula | Aug 18, 2008 1:20:07 PM
McCain scares me. He seemed really confused at times during the forum and answered clearly only when it involved the war. I think he is a war monger and thrives on war... Obama has repeatedly voted to support the troops but not the war. He realizes that if you stop the support abruptly you are putting our troops in arms way.
Posted by: cindyct | Aug 18, 2008 1:22:28 PM
McShame should be called out by Obama on his lies and his willingness to get us into war with everyone. He cheated and lied to his first wife, he will cheat and lie to win an election.
Posted by: bernadette | Aug 18, 2008 1:24:52 PM
Mcain is a obsessed warmonger wake up people and see the DANGER mccain is!
Posted by: angie | Aug 18, 2008 1:25:32 PM
What Sen. McCain ( ex. POW )should
remind Sen.Obama the words of Wiston
Churchhill:
1."there is awar to be won"
2."defeat is one thing,disgrace is
other"
3."evacuation will never win a war"
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
Posted by: vinnie | Aug 18, 2008 1:26:03 PM
It's great to see fellow Americans clear on what a McCain presidency represents. (More war, extended tax breaks for ultra wealthy and mold invested barracks for those who fight his wars)
POTUS OBAMA - ITS INEVITABLE
Posted by: Nat Turner | Aug 18, 2008 1:26:43 PM
Hasen't legislating our defeat in Iraq been THE top priority for all democrats? If what McCain is saying is not true, then why all the votes to defund our troops and set timelines for withdrawal? Everytime somone calls their bluff or exposes them, they shriek and howl in protest. This is why leftists like Obama are not taken seriously in matters of national security.
Posted by: Joaquin B. | Aug 18, 2008 1:27:23 PM
Dont forget mccain knows how to win wars he knows how to win them my friends the last i knew he was in one war vietnam crashed his plane and was held pow and we didnt win vietnam so i ask you cynics WHAT WAR HAS HE WON?????????????????????
Posted by: angie | Aug 18, 2008 1:28:23 PM
Have you noticed that McCain cannot speak on the issues? Have you noticed that he's always talking about war and nothing else?
The Republicans really think America is that stupid.
NOT THIS TIME.
POTUS OBAMA - ITS INEVITABLE
Posted by: Nat Turner | Aug 18, 2008 1:29:09 PM
Mcain is playing the FEAR CARD!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT THIS TIME MCFEAR!!!!!!
Posted by: angie | Aug 18, 2008 1:30:14 PM
I wonder if Winston Churchill can figure out what it would mean to 'win' in Iraq. Seems Republicans can't do it.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 18, 2008 1:31:13 PM
The closer we get to the election, the clearer it becomes as who will be our next POTUS.
POTUS OBAMA - IT'S INEVITABLE
Posted by: Nat Turner | Aug 18, 2008 1:34:17 PM
I don't understand Mccain anymore. So according to this line of thought his underlying commitment to the war in Iraq is to be president as well? Or his commitment to tax the crap out of the middle class is just his ambition to be president.
As for Obama lets not confuse arrogance with confidence.
Also why is mccain still saying we should be there when our own government is now working on the dreaded timetable with the Iraqi government?
Posted by: Joe | Aug 18, 2008 1:40:18 PM
McCain and the GOP are really in a pathetic, desperate state. They have absolutely nothing to go with but empty, negative attacks and smears. The past 8 years have so clearly been a disaster and McCain is promising more of the same, so he obviously can't talk issues or take positive lines of argument. Here's what GOP harpy Robert Novak wrote in mid-July:
"With Sen. Barack Obama moving ahead of Sen. John McCain in our latest Electoral College rundown, the private Republican view is that the focus must be on Obama in the coming campaign for McCain to win. A positive campaign will lose, and the spotlight on Obama must be harsher for McCain to have a chance."
Posted by: hopesprings52 | Aug 18, 2008 1:42:41 PM
The idea of telling nations what to do and then using force when they don't listen is a failed policy that McCain endorses. It is a bad idea because we are broke.
Posted by: Ben Straub | Aug 18, 2008 1:43:56 PM
Obama however is confident and it just annoyes the hell out of the repukes. I love it!
Posted by: Joe | Aug 18, 2008 1:44:56 PM
McCain wants to start another war so he can honorably take our troops out of Iraq. That way Iraq will not have to kick us out.
Posted by: Thinking | Aug 18, 2008 1:46:36 PM
McCain is a slug.
Posted by: Shelley | Aug 18, 2008 1:48:14 PM
I guess everyone with 5 mill in the bank and lower are middle class to Mccain...
MCCAIN: I don't want to take any money from the rich — I want everybody to get rich. (LAUGHTER) … I don't believe in class warfare or redistribution of the wealth. … So, I think if you are just talking about income, how about $5 million? (LAUGHTER) But seriously, I don't think you can — I don't think seriously that — the point is that I'm trying to make here, seriously — and I'm sure that comment will be distorted — but the point is that we want to keep people's taxes low and increase revenues.”
He doesn't even understand were 95% of america is coming from or he can't remember.
Posted by: Joe | Aug 18, 2008 1:50:04 PM
It seems McCain might have plagiarized the Gulag Archipelago with his "cross in the dirt" story.
The same thing happened in that book.
This itself isn't proof it didn't happen to McCain. But McCain seems to have been quite a Solzhenitsyn fan. When he co-authored a book about twelve tough historical decisions, one of the twelve was Solzhenitsyn's decision to write the Gulag Archipelago.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 18, 2008 1:50:47 PM
The "Bojo" announcement can't come quick enough...
because that announcement will sound like Barack saying in the infamous words of Stephen King... in Stand By Me
"Chopper... ...sick ba11s!"
as McCain and team...panicks covering his cro7ch..
Posted by: dl | Aug 18, 2008 1:54:49 PM
Thanks for the continued personal attacks on McCain. You are proving to the whole world that when your bluff is called or your follies are exposed, you leftists failo to counter with facts and resort to personal attacks. I will repeat the question: Hasen't legislating our defeat in Iraq been THE top priority for all democrats? If what McCain is saying is not true, then why all the votes to defund our troops and set timelines for withdrawal?
Posted by: Joaquin B. | Aug 18, 2008 1:59:50 PM
How can any one vote for a person
who was only three(3) years ago
a councilman?
Posted by: vinnie | Aug 18, 2008 2:00:24 PM
This campaign is so damn Orwellian/Rovian, ie. black is white, war is peace, lies are truth, etc.
Now the candidate who has had obvious ambitions to be President for the last twenty years accuses his opponent of being the ambitious one.
Orwell's prediction was only about twenty years early. It took Rove to make his science fiction into fact.
Posted by: pedestrian | Aug 18, 2008 2:00:46 PM
Vinnie: Get a clue, kid. You have no idea what you're tallking about. Nobody was a councilman. Stop reading stupid emails and do a little independent research. Ever hear of something called The Google?
Posted by: pedestrian | Aug 18, 2008 2:03:01 PM
McCain wants to win the presidency with the blood of our solders. Our blood doesn't matter to the sick, senile old man.
Posted by: Sam | Aug 18, 2008 2:03:35 PM
I mean do you people who support Mccain even listen to what he is saying? He doesn't have one unique idea and just says crap the GOP higher ups tell him to even if he is pres he wouldn't be in charge the GOP pulls his strings. I'm sick of his constant attacks he needs to man up and describe his policies and his ideas. He offers nothing new and no change in direction for this country. Just more attacks on anyone who doesn't agree with him.
Posted by: Joe | Aug 18, 2008 2:04:21 PM
Joaquin B.
Iraq may be a very fragile and fake peace right now...and we spent over 1,000,000,000,000 dollars on the surge alone...along with the loss of life and removing our focus on the political issues that may have hurt us severely in other regions during that time.
To not want to risk that in an area that inherently embattled is not"legislating defeat"
the legislation of defeat was the plan to go in to an area that all the experts sadi may never be able to resolve their differences...
and as much as repubs want to spin this...that has yet to be determined achievable AT ALL.
Go look at the same kind of tactics we used in Afghanistan in the 80's giving money guns and power to Islamis militants to fight the enemy we wanted...
you remember Reagan's "freedom fighters"
don't you...well look up who those freedom fighters became 10 years after we used that tactic.
so stop with the spin...please...just like McCain should...but atleast mccain an old time war hawk who wants to be President...so he has to spin this.
Posted by: dl | Aug 18, 2008 2:08:21 PM
OK pedestrian, explan to me what
Sen.Obama was three(3)or four(4)ago
before he came to WASHINTON!!!
Posted by: vinnie | Aug 18, 2008 2:13:39 PM
It sounds funny when trying to ponder what McCain says: "I better lose the election than losing the war".
Sir McCain, the time you lose the election, you will automatically lose both!
Posted by: Peace | Aug 18, 2008 2:14:54 PM
So McCain is going to follow bin Laden to the gates of Hell; via Iran, Georgia, Russia............?
Posted by: Thinking | Aug 18, 2008 2:15:08 PM
Obama has had two shots on how he will react in regards to being commander-in-chief. First in Iraq his policy was to cut and run before victory was achieved. Hey whether you agree with the war or not we are there and since we are we should have a policy to win, not to run away making the sacrifices of the troops and the billions of dollars spent all be in vain. Second, when Russia reared its old Soviet head Obama took 3 days to respond in the most timid of voices. Not the leader I want for our troops or our security.
Posted by: Nevada Pundit | Aug 18, 2008 2:18:44 PM
To all you McCain supporters who want to dismiss Obama as "unqualified" because he has not been in Washington but a few years....I believe that makes him more qualified based on the mess that has been in place the 20 years or more in Washington. McCain has no new ideas and continues to hold onto the insanity of some invisible victory in Iraq. And those who want to quote Churchill....remember that Churchill was a failure before and after the war. And to equate the war in Iraq with WWII is the height of absurdity.
Posted by: indy_voter | Aug 18, 2008 2:30:51 PM
Nevada Pundit - All I know is the McCain and current's administration's take on Russia is wrong. Put missiles in eastern Europe to antagonize, Adopt pre-emptive war as a means to control leading to Putin doing the same, attack Iraq to control. At least Georgia provoked a response. Stop hammering on Russia without bringing into question our own hypocricy.
Posted by: Ben Straub | Aug 18, 2008 2:39:22 PM
At the end of the day, Obama's biggest accomplishment is voting 'present' 129 times. What a guy!
Posted by: Martin Slueg | Aug 18, 2008 2:39:50 PM
McCain will have us in another war in no time at all if he's elected. Yeah, go McCain! You show them how tough you are, what a REAL leader is.
Heaven help us.
Posted by: nomorerepublicans | Aug 18, 2008 2:53:40 PM
Martin Slueg wrote:`
``At the end of the day, Obama's biggest accomplishment is voting 'present' 129 times. What a guy!``
========================================
McCain never shows up at all to vote for political reasons. For the past six months McCain has not attended senate sessions to vote.
If McCain really wanted to protect Americans why didn`t he show up to vote on FISA.
Posted by: Mark | Aug 18, 2008 2:55:53 PM
Have you seen the polls? Barry is dropping like a rock. You all can have your unity festival in Europe after he loses the GE.
Posted by: Mack | Aug 18, 2008 3:13:14 PM
David, does it bother you McCain probably made up that story about a cross in the dirt while in the POW camp?
Posted by: Paul | Aug 18, 2008 3:30:53 PM
There's a pattern. Knowledge... from Wikipedia. Experiences... from Solzhenitsyn.
I don't know, doesn't look good for a guy who is running on his character.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 18, 2008 3:32:23 PM
And let's not forget the cross in the dirt thing wouldn't be the first time McCain was caught lying about his POW experiences.
Remember the Steel Curtain? McCain did, a couple years before that Pittsburgh defensive unit existed.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 18, 2008 3:35:26 PM
Besides, all we know about McCain is that he understands Wikipedia and Solzhenitsyn.
Okay, that's a stretch, regarding Wikipedia. The part of that Georgia article he didn't take word for word, he summarized and actually introduced a historical mistake. But the parts he copied word for word, he got those just right.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 18, 2008 3:47:56 PM
Regardless of what his stated here and the preponderance of quotes by the liberal side, the end game is what worries the dems. They cannot seperate BO from McCain. No matter how the press villifies John McCain, surrounds him in bloggers, in other Obama quotes, John McCain is still there telling the world the truth, BO is inexperienced, unwilling to admit when he is wrong, elitist in attitude when he is challenged. BO does not offer anything "new" just more of the same tired programs of the Left, polished and brightened by a new voice but the same message once again. Higher taxes for the rich that will make us all more equal, but higher taxes for all. Run from a war that needs to be won unlike what was done in Vietnam. Put liberal ideals first instead of "America first". Weaken us before our allies on the pretext of 'getting along" and Idealism. And energy? forget it, he looks to a billionaire corporate raider for ideas on alternative energy? Sorry folks, the more you get to see him, and just try and see him without his handlers and the real BO comes fourth, a professor who has never worked in his life, never had to face what the everday man has to face. His life has been one of academics, one of teaching not doing. Yes, a good orator as any professor should be but this one trades on his color, not achievment.
Sorry BO, I just don't get you...
Posted by: GARY | Aug 18, 2008 7:46:36 PM
BOTH CANDIDATES MIGHT DO WELL TO LISTEN TO ANDREW BACEVICH.
Only rarely does someone surface with qualifications as well as insights and a delivery that stimulate thinking. Even more rarely does an individual stimulate the very personal mental articulation of self observation.
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/08/andrew-bacevich-rare-sobering-voice.html
Bacevich deserves as broad an audience as can be exposed to his thoughtful analysis.
Posted by: PacificGatePost | Aug 19, 2008 12:35:31 AM
How dare McCain accuse Obama for legislating failure. McCain not only designs it, implements it, but also want to take credit for it. What is armed conflict but a failure of political means? Johnny don't you know the answer? Jeez so much for "the surge is working." More like the occupation is preventing the Iraqi's from "standing up" while we refuse to stand down and threaten not only Iraq's neighbors but now even Russia when all they want is to keep making profits off of their oil thanks to our incompetent foreign policy. Why must we continue to bankroll our adversaries, finance their armies and prepare to declare wars of occupation against them. We can't afford it financially and we have left ourselves utterly defenseless at home. Thanks to Obama and McCain we can count on four more years of the same ol' shtick!!! How is repeating the failure of the Sovet empire make us MORE profotable and more safe John, Barack, ANYONE!!!
Posted by: ick! | Aug 19, 2008 5:23:43 PM
Grampy McSurge has a lot of nerve attacking Obama about wanting to end the occupation of Iraq. America had no business invading their country in the first place. I guess McSurge doesn't remember anything about the Iraq invasion prior to the surge. Well, I'm not 72 years old and my memory is sharp as a tack. I'm so sick of McSurge lying all the time and the media playing it like a Senior Moment. With McSurge's infamous temper, this is not the kind of person you want with his finger on the RED BUTTON. Like McSurge said to Russia just the other day - "In the 21st Century, nations don't invade other nations". Ummmm, excuse me, but that's exactly what McBush and company have done. So much for America's ability to claim the high road on that one. Our military is too busy occupying Iraq, to do anything about Russia. Just goes to show you what the Bush McSurge policies have done to leave America vunerable and impotent in dealing with the Russians.
Posted by: Sue H | Aug 19, 2008 7:07:13 PM
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