fact check - not a bad thing to base your vote on, I'd say.

As for your criticisms of Obama not having enough in the plan, again (at the risk of repeating myself now, lol) I'll ask if any of the past four presidents laid out a substantive, metric-laden proposal you can remember?

I can't. Most times presidential candidates talk in broad themes, either out of a realization there will be compromises along the way or out of a desire not to spell out specifics.

That's begun changing, but I've never seen anything like this year. I remember when Gore and Bradley laid out their competing health care proposals. I thought that was a lot of detail. This year, I'm floored by how much we've got to look at.

Man, you are no cure, Paul. You need to look into the big, bigger, big big picture.

You will be competing with China for the 20% world energy consumption, and 20% for India, and 19% for the US, and 80% for the rest of the World in the next 20 years.

Does that add up to 1, which is 100%?

OK, so is there ever going to be any details of McCains plan, or is he going to continue to get a free pass on everything. i hope you will be happy when grandpa is in office & answer to everything is "nown, verb, POW"

fact check - I'm having a hard time understanding your point, unless you're thinking about it in terms of oil. Are you saying China is going to take our sunlight?

What I think is we ought to develop independence here as quickly as we can, and then export the technology... before the Germans do it.

Senator McCain has been stating the last month or so that we should increase all energy sources including drilling off shore, wind, biofuels, etc. Sounds reasonable to me.
Senator Obama with his 300 expert advisors is sure messing up, flip-flopping. I thinks both candidates have flaws but will vote for McCain over Obama.

I don’t care what Obama does on energy or who he picks for vice president. He’s lost my vote. He allowed his campaign to send a 4-page memo to news reporters, highlighting incidents where Hillary and/or Bill Cinton had demonstrated racism. He accused small-town Americans of disliking “people who look different than them.” (In other words, racists.) He predicted that John McCain and the Republican Party would try to make people afraid of him because he “looks different” and “has a funny name.” In other words, the Republicans are racists, too. Apparently, in ObamaWorld, virtually all white people who don’t support his candidacy are racist. Guess what? Calling me a racist isn’t going to win my vote – and I’m a Democrat. McLame is looking more and more like McPresident.

Mary - you do realize the whole drilling thing is a flip flop for McCain?

The cool think is that both parties seem to be coming toward the middle - as they have on Iraq, and Afghanistan, etc. Now the question is which do you trust to follow through.

MARY
what has senator mccain done for the energry crisis for the last 25 years as senator??????????????????????? one answer NOTHING OPPOSED ALL ALTERNITAVE THINGS HELL HE WAS EVEN AGAINST OFF SHORE DRILLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MCCAIN IS A JOKE!

Paul,

When Clinton was running for President, all economists in this country said china cannot keep grow at a rate of 8% per year for more than 5 years. They were wRight. China grew 12% for 10 years, and controlled it at 10% for the next 10 years. At that time, gas price was $1.10 per gallon, and China imported less than 0.1% of world oil.

When Bush ran for president, they, the economists, were still talking about the same thing, and China imported less than 1% of world oil production.

Then, all a sudden, China decided to import oil, for which they have the money, interest from your debt, to import as much as the producers pumps and subsidize their motorists. This country realize that there is NO policy to act, or should we say, react.

For this presidency election, Energy policy is a problem you cannot hide, even those economists realize but have no solution.

This is why you need a president who has the capacity of dealing with such problems, and that capacity is not attained by airing pollutant.

Hopefully, you agree with that your question has been answered.

Again, fact check, you seem to be coming at this solely from an oil perspective.

I do agree that increased demand in places where we hadn't seen it before - such as India and China - is the reason for the price increase of oil. It wasn't Obama, lol, as that ridiculous McCain ad claimed.

But as we reduce our dependence on oil (foreign and domestic), the oil market will be less of a concern to us.

republicans trying to solve the energy crisis?

LOL are you kidding me

you guys wouldnt even admit to a crisis less then a year ago

most of you wont agree that there is global warming

HOW STUPID do you think the american people are?

suddenly we just forget, you can just turn everything that you guys have done for the last 7 years and say... hey were the good guys, YOURE the bad guys!!

its like the stupid surge, something actually goes right in iraq, and you gusy are like. see this is our plan

meanwhile, were suppose to forget the last 7 years

how pathetic are you people

you dont want to solve teh energy crisis, in fact all you want is to make a stink and say we want to solve the energy crisis and congress should reconvene because you know it wont happen

even the white hosue is saying no

sooo then waht if it did happen

well then your not in it for environmental reasons, or even energy reasons, YOU ARE IN IT FOR CASH

you dont want things done right, or innovation such as obama bring to the table

you have to slam him so that you can try to further your own agendas which are

more of the same BS, more oil, more profits for oil companies, more suvs

what is mccains short term goals?
gas tax holiday... save you 40 bucks maybe

obamas

federal reserve opening up
1k bucks tax relief and stimulas tax
7k bucks to help you buy a new car that is more economically viable
higher fuel efficiencys

yea, guess what you morons, weve been awake for the last 7 years, and you cant just say, were the bad guys, obamas the republican

tahts BS, YOU GOT US IN THIS MESS!

thanks for voting for Bush

TWICE!

mccain is even against public transportation, and wants to shut down amtrack

LOL

amtrak

are you kidding me?????

fact check - I'm having a hard time understanding your point, unless you're thinking about it in terms of oil. Are you saying China is going to take our sunlight?

Posted by: Paul | Aug 4, 2008
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NOOOOOOOOO.

Sunlight is not going to be sufficient. All things produced by Sunlight in your life time that you can harvest will not provide more than 15-20% of the total energy consumption.

You need a policy to develop technology to produce the rest of the 80% of energy.

If you wish to use 10% of oil, which you cannot avoid in the next 50 years, you are still 70% short. And that 70% have to come from nuclear power.

The phony empty head 0bama does not understand it and has no clue about it.

He tells you to plug your car into electricity. He does not tell you you need to produce electricity by burning coals and natural gas.

At least McCain tells you that he will build nuclear power plants to power your electric plugin hybrids.

fact check: "Sunlight in your life time that you can harvest will not provide more than 15-20% of the total energy consumption."

I disagree. It is possible (not likely, but possible) to get all of our residential energy needs from sunlight, most of our commercial needs, and much of our manufacturing needs.

And we can do that with the technology we have, which only captures about 9 percent of solar energy (mostly because it isn't full spectrum). However, there's already people playing with other technologies that may be able to push that efficiency up over 20 percent - and for less cost up front. There's some really interesting fiber technology being tested now - fibers that can be used in paint. Basically we're talking about painted roofs acting as collectors.

what is mccains short term goals?
gas tax holiday... save you 40 bucks maybe

obamas

federal reserve opening up
1k bucks tax relief

Posted by: bhrandon | Aug 4, 2008
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Big panderer and small pander. Your empty headed phony panders more.

fact check - again, Obama was talking about the possibility of expanded use of nuclear long before McCain, or Clinton.

A bad investment for the future--
Paul says - "for a typical home, an entire solar system costs about $20k. I'm not sure that's out of reach for the "typical" homeowner."

What's the return on the investment for that homeowner? Compared to say, a 7% return on investment annually for seven years which yields a 100% return. Solar panels for homeowners are still bad investments.

Food vs. Fuel debate--
The past year has shown ethanol increases the price of corn. While Americans have an abundance of substitutes at the supermarket and the ability to lower expenses to pay more for food, most of the world cannot. Produced from corn, ethanol consumption in the US is directly increasing the cost of food globally.

Election as an Obama Referendum--
Obama's plan isn't "pie in the sky" but a fantasy based on falsehoods. Obama alleges McCain is more of the same but on energy Obama is worse.

Paul -

You know what, it took just about 1 billion years for Nature to develop a solar panel capable of what you wanted, and just a few hundreds of million years to generate the energy you are using.

By the time you think you can put every square inch of the planet in use to absorb every single photon, you and the rest of the planet do not need energy any more. Because there won't be an earth no more.

Sounds sarcastic? Unfortunately, it is just another one of the inconvenient truths of Nature.

fact check

only because all your toxic waste will have corroded the earth

Anyone else just plain tired of hearing about Obama and his ridiculous promises and flip flops?

B O R I N G

0140446109 - I think its a pretty good investment. You can zero out your electric bill, and increase the sales value of your home.

Basically, it balances out at today's prices for the panels and for electricity in 20 years. And its reasonable to expect the collectors to get less expensive and electricity to get more expensive as we go.