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The Note: Kennedy Inspires, but Clinton Drama Continues
August 26, 2008 10:29 AM
ABC News' Rick Klein reports in Tuesday's Note:
DENVER --
The narrative is (or isn’t) coming together, the family was glowing on stage, the schedule is holding tight, Teddy and Michelle hit them out of the park . . . and still, there are the Clintons.
For all those 18 million cracks in the highest glass ceiling, a frosty divide still needs chipping away, even as Obama is set to lose the “presumptive” from his title.
It comes to this for the rivalry for the ages: Neither Sen. Barack Obama nor Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has any possible sane, rational reason for wanting tensions to continue.
They need each other, and they know it. If Clinton supporters don’t come to Obama’s side in greater (near-unanimous) numbers, he loses the presidency. If Clinton is seen as doing anything less than everything for the Obama-Biden ticket, she loses stature in the Democratic Party.
And yet . . . the relationship is complicated as ever. As Clinton prepares for her speech on night two of the Democratic National Convention (with Chelsea Clinton narrating an introductory tribute video, on a night where the theme is “Renewing America’s Promise”), those "Hillary" signs and pins dotting Denver carry a message -- and Clinton and Obama carry (mixed) messages of their own.
Read the rest of The Note -- and get all the latest on the 2008 election, Congress, the White House and the wide world of politics every day -- from Rick Klein by bookmarking this link.
Did we need this reminder, this week of all weeks? “Remember: 18 million people voted for me -- 18 million people, give or take, voted for Barack,” Clinton, D-N.Y., told reporters Monday, per ABC’s Eloise Harper. (Give or take?)
Then there’s the Clintons’ most recognizable surrogate/adviser, going on television Monday night to basically declare one-fourth of Obama’s convention a messaging disaster.
“Well, if this party has a message, it has done a hell of a job of hiding it tonight, I promise you that,” James Carville said on CNN Monday night, per ABC’s Jake Tapper. “I look at this and I am about to jump out of my chair.”
“The non primetime part was not particularly impressive,” Carville added Tuesday morning, on ABC’s "Good Morning America." "The other stuff was completely void of any message," adding that the Democrats’ streak of not bashing President Bush at Democratic National Conventions now stands at five nights.
(A night that was strong in the details was less so on the grand themes. This is an extremely damaging storyline that the Obama campaign needs to address immediately, now, pronto. If Democrats don’t start talking about McCain/Bush very quickly, they will all be talking about John Kerry shortly -- and not in a good way.)
(Obama adviser Anita Dunn swings back in the campaign’s morning conference call: “Everyone else seems to have felt it was a very, very successful first night of the convention, so [Carville] seems to be out there in the minority.” And stay tuned: “Clearly, tonight, as we move toward the economy, you will see some very sharp contrast, because there is a real difference between him and John McCain,” Dunn added.)
Look for Clinton’s speech to take on Sen. John McCain in a way no one did Monday. “What you didn’t get last night, you’re going to get tonight from Hillary Clinton,” ABC’s George Stephanopoulos said on “Good Morning America” Tuesday.
Continue reading today's Note by clicking HERE.
ABC News' Hope Ditto and Amanda Temple contributed to this report.
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HILLARY SUPPORTERS A VOTE FOR MCCAIN IS DISRESPECT FOR HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: angie | Aug 26, 2008 10:51:58 AM
Paul Begala may have hit it on the head of the nail this morning, talking about Hillary Clinton on the Imus show.
If Obama doesn't win, she's done in the party, and according to Begala (a Clinton supporter and close friend) she knows it.
That comment followed a friendly argument in which Imus accused Clinton of not wanting Obama to win. Begala responded that she did, because the issues were more important to her than personal ambitions. But, Begala added, even if Imus doesn't believe that, consider this from the perspective of Clinton self interest. If Obama loses, she gets at least part of the blame.
Begala says Clinton fully recognizes this, and because of both her national interest and self interest will do everything she can to get Obama elected.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 26, 2008 10:59:25 AM
Alice there are not 18 million Hillary supporters voting for McCain. But there are at least 18 million voting for Obama. Yes there is power in numbers.
Posted by: ? | Aug 26, 2008 10:59:37 AM
Barack seems to have had a Senior (or Drug Addict) moment last night when he couldn't remember what city he was in. THought he was in St Louis.
Posted by: JA | Aug 26, 2008 11:02:09 AM
It is not Hillary Clinton's job to unite the Dem Party ... it is the nominee's job ... and if he can't unite his own party ... or have the good sense to pick a VP who received 18million votes ... what makes anyone think he has the tenacity or good judgement to run the country! What was the big rush with the Dems .. the nominee should have been elected at the Convention ... now we have a tie with the GOP candidate and the best Dem candidate for President for decades being forced to support someone she knows is not qualified for the job!
Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | Aug 26, 2008 11:02:47 AM
Latest polls show that 30% of Hillary supporters are voting for McCain. As CNN stated last night, if even 5% vote for McCain in November, McCain will win the Presidency. The way I see it, with this division in the Democratic party, which will not be unified by November, its a win-win situation for the Republicans and John McCain.
Posted by: david from texas | Aug 26, 2008 11:03:13 AM
Speaking from personal experience, 1 out of 3 people in my family who were Clinton supporters (and not die hard ones either) have switched to McCain.
It's less about anger that Clinton wasn't chosen, more about the unknown Obama.
Posted by: JA | Aug 26, 2008 11:04:24 AM
now we have a tie with the GOP candidate and the best Dem candidate for President for decades being forced to support someone she knows is not qualified for the job!
Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | Aug 26, 2008 11:02:47 AM
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, ONE OF THE BEST POSTS I HAVE SEEN. HILLARY WAS THE BEST CANDIDATE, HOWEVER, THE DNC TOTALLY MADE A MISTAKE. OBAMA KNOWS IT, BUT HE'S CAUGHT IN THE MIX. I AGREE, ITS OBAMA'S PLACE TO UNITE THE PARTY, NOT HILLARY'S. IF OBAMA CAN'T UNITE THE PARTY, THEN HE DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE PRESIDENT! ENOUGH OF THE HILLARY BASHING, ESPECIALLY BY OBAMABOTS!!!
Posted by: david from texas | Aug 26, 2008 11:05:38 AM
HILLARY SUPPORTERS A VOTE FOR MCCAIN IS DISRESPECT FOR HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: angie | Aug 26, 2008
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We respect her, and we respect her decisions, but we do not blindly follow her, unlike you who are willing to accept a Nothingness.
Posted by: Olbermn3 | Aug 26, 2008 11:11:02 AM
David from Texas
the problem is...the countries future lies in the balance... think about if we stay on this trajectory for 4 more years.
Where will this country be?
Imagine that...4 more years of this same structure and belief system ...
the same decision makers (because Bush's team McCain has already hired )
where do you think we will be.
whether it is Obama or Clinton we would be here...half the party would have lost...
now we have a choice...
4 more years on this downward direction...
or fulfilling the need of our anger.
Posted by: dl | Aug 26, 2008 11:11:48 AM
Lovely 16 more years of a Republican White House. I wonder what the name of the new party will be and who will control it.
I am afraid that the Democratic Party brand is damaged beyond redemption.
Posted by: Thinking | Aug 26, 2008 11:13:00 AM
David from Texas: "Latest polls show that 30% of Hillary supporters are voting for McCain. As CNN stated last night, if even 5% vote for McCain in November, McCain will win the Presidency."
Not sure what CNN said, but that doesn't sound true.
If right now 30 percent of Clinton supporters are planning to vote for McCain, then that's reflected in current polling. In other words, if it stays at 30 percent, Obama still wins a close election.
If it drops to five percent (a 25 percent difference of 18 million, or 4.5 million) then that's another few points out of a national percentage in Obama's favor.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 26, 2008 11:13:43 AM
I don't think anyone really believes that Obama was a better candidate than Clinton in retrospect. Now that Obama's "new politics" have been abandoned, you're left with an empty suit.
Posted by: JA | Aug 26, 2008 11:13:47 AM
JA: "I don't think anyone really believes that Obama was a better candidate than Clinton in retrospect."
Not that it really matters, but I suspect you are incorrect there. I for one supported Obama in the primaries and still think he's a better candidate.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 26, 2008 11:16:46 AM
All of this hoopla of voting for McSame is nonsense!! A true Democrat would never set aside their ideals out of spite!!
Posted by: Jennifer | Aug 26, 2008 11:17:22 AM
Why has the country elected only two Democrats as President in the last 40 years? It’s very simple. The majority of the country is middle of the road, maybe a little bit to the right. The Democrats keep nominating very liberal candidates, too liberal for many Democrats. That’s why they lose. Democrats like me vote as Democrats for the Senate, Governor, etc. and we wind up voting Republican for President. Evan Bayh, Indiana, has said that he didn’t run for President because he’s too much of a centrist, and the activists in the Party always work to elect a liberal. That’s too bad, because as boring as he is, he would make a good president. And there’s no doubt in my mind that he’d be elected. Ordinary Democrats are hungry for a Democrat in the White House, and a Democratic Congress. That isn’t going to happen this time. I simply don’t understand why the ultra liberal wing of the Democratic Party doesn’t understand this. Centrist Democrats have a history of deserting the Party in favor of Republican candidates. How many times do we have to do it before the Democratic Party gets the message? RUN A CENTRIST DEMOCRAT INSTEAD OF A LEFT-WING SOCIALIST WANNABE, AND MIDDLE OF THE ROAD DEMOCRATS WILL SUPPORT THE PARTY
Posted by: Reluctant McCain Dem | Aug 26, 2008 11:17:43 AM
Then there’s the Clintons’ most recognizable surrogate/adviser, going on television Monday night to basically declare one-fourth of Obama’s convention a messaging disaster.
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Truths often hurts.... So few courageous people dare to say it. The only person on the democratic side who knows how to win is Carville. If Zero-bama campaign dismisses as minority, they got that right. He is the only one in more than half a century to help elect a two-term president for the dems. Minority indeed.
Posted by: lazy to think | Aug 26, 2008 11:17:45 AM
Paul is right david is wrong...
5% of Hillary voters voting for obama would be better than Bill Clinton did in 92 ...Gore did in 2000 and Kerry did in 2004
so...considering Keery and Gore tied (I know Gore won)
your numbers are false.
also thiose 30% are already factored into the polls we have been seeing ...they have to be duh.
so there is a lot better chance that Hillary voters the further they get away from the primaries the more obvious it is how different mccain is from Hillary and how similar Obama is.
so please use logic...not false spin.
Posted by: dl | Aug 26, 2008 11:19:08 AM
Paul,
Like I said, I don't think anyone really believes it. Just diehard supporters fooling themselves.
Obama brought NOTHING to the table over Clinton other than rhetoric and a supposed "new politics". Now that the new politics is abandoned, and the rhetoric has grown stale.......well, look at the polls. The 3 most current polls (Rasmussen, Gallup, CNN) show it all tied up. Clinton would have been ahead of McCain considerably.
Once again, Dems put forward a weak candidate.
Posted by: JA | Aug 26, 2008 11:19:16 AM
Jennifer,
Some people put their country before party. "True Democrat" - nonsense. You want people to blindly follow Obama into disaster?
Unlike you, some people THINK before making a decision, don't let others tell them what to do.
Posted by: JA | Aug 26, 2008 11:20:47 AM
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