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The Note: Obama vs. Clinton: The Battle Continues
August 07, 2008 8:30 AM
ABC News' Rick Klein writes in Thursday's Note: Sen. Barack Obama is set to leave for his much-deserved vacation with one very big loose end that doesn’t want to be tied -- and that’s not counting the veepstakes.
It’s the drama that won’t go away, the storyline that’s too delicious to recede, the symbol of a party’s divisions the very mention of which brings smiles to the faces of editors and producers: Obama vs. Clinton. (Welcome back.)
To former President Bill Clinton’s missing praise (to say nothing of what he is saying), we add this: A steadfast refusal by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to rule out allowing her delegates to vent in the peculiar fashion of voting for her on the convention floor, instead of the candidate she’s campaigning for.
“I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected,” Clinton, D-N.Y., told a gathering of supporters last week, ABC News reported Wednesday. “We do not want any Democrat either in the hall or in the stadium or at home walking away saying, well, you know, I’m just not satisfied, I’m not happy.”
“It’s as old as, you know, Greek drama,” Clinton said. (We couldn’t agree more.)
Read the rest of The Note -- and get all the latest on the 2008 election, Congress, the White House and the wide world of politics every day -- from Rick Klein by bookmarking this link.
Clinton gets a chance to clear the air with a *noon ET Web chat Thursday* organized for supporters (hope you weren’t expecting softballs -- or donations that don’t come with a price).
What does it say about the most important relationship in the Democratic Party that this is still an unresolved issue, three weeks before Obama is set to formally claim the nomination? Can a party heal if one of its principal players -- and a few million of her supporters -- aren’t ready for it?
“The refusal to publicly announce her intentions is widely seen as a bargaining chip Clinton is holding on to as party officials negotiate logistics regarding her convention speech and other activities,” per ABC News.
Said Clinton friend Lanny Davis (who, like most inside Camp Clinton, don’t want a roll call): “It's a reflection of genuine frustration by Hillary Clinton supporters that Sen. Obama seems to have forgotten about 18 million voters.”
Think of how much the joint Obama-Clinton statement released late Wednesday doesn’t say: “We are working together to make sure the fall campaign and the convention are a success. At the Democratic Convention, we will ensure that the voices of everyone who participated in this historic process are respected and our party will be fully unified heading into the November election.”
Continue reading today's Note by clicking HERE.
ABC News' Hope Ditto, Alexa Ainsworth and Jason Volack contributed to this report.
August 7, 2008 in Bush, George W., Hunter, Duncan, Kucinich, Dennis, Palin, Sarah, Romney, Mitt, Tancredo, Tom, Thompson, Fred, Veepstakes | Permalink | User Comments (205)
She has lost but does not want to be forgotten, oh my dear Hillary.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | Aug 7, 2008 8:47:43 AM
Good -
I am so sick and tired of hearing the name OBAMA, OBAMA OBAMA and OBAMA to the point where my stomach turns.
Posted by: Frank- South Hampton | Aug 7, 2008 8:50:48 AM
Just imagine if he picks Bayh as his VP. Can you say Obama Bayh. Obama Bayh ha ha ha. Ick.
Posted by: Kitty | Aug 7, 2008 9:00:26 AM
It must suck for Obama, but the fact remains he needs Hillary, and he needs Bill. Both of them have huge support in the democratic party as well as the nation, particularly in areas that Obama lacks support (rural areas). Hillary should be offered the VP spot, but if not, at the very least, they both should be showcased at the convention. If they are not, I promise you this, BO will not win. He must recognize that he won this contest more narrowly than a primary has ever been won. He needs her half of the party. It's my opinion, that it will be a huge risk if she's not on the ticket. But if he flatly refuses that, he MUST find a way to showcase her at the convention. I read she's raised 500K for him and he has failed to raise that for her (an agreement they made after the primary). That gets back to her voters, and it will be hell to pay in November.
Posted by: a reader in georgia | Aug 7, 2008 9:03:51 AM
Go Hillary! Unity is overrated. Everyone unified behind President Bush after 9/11 and look how that turned out. Hitler unified Germany behind the German Workers' Party. Think with the brains God gave you people. Don't drink the Kool-Aid.
Posted by: Amber | Aug 7, 2008 9:12:17 AM
Amen Billy...Amen
Posted by: Josh N. | Aug 7, 2008 9:16:13 AM
Whether or not Obama picks Hillary as his Veep there are supporters of hers whom still won't vote for the ticket. I'm still against the "Dream" ticket and a Bayh ticket.
Posted by: Vanessa | Aug 7, 2008 9:16:24 AM
Oba can win without the Clintons. He did win when the Clintons were openly contesting against him - how can he fail to win when they are out of the picture? Insane!
Posted by: Al | Aug 7, 2008 9:16:31 AM
When will Edwards speak at the convention? ;^D
Posted by: johnny7 | Aug 7, 2008 9:17:47 AM
I am one of those selfish Hillary supporters who will vote for John McCain, and yes, I sleep very well at night. John McCain has said many times over the years that he would rather lose an election than win a war. He backed up his words by challenging George Bush on his execution of the war in Iraq, and alienating his own Party. McCain has alienated his own party on several issues over the years. That is the difference between Obama and McCain. I can pretty much predict what McCain is going to do. I have no idea what Obama stands for. He says one thing, changes his mind, and then changes it back again, depending on the way the wind blows. I have no idea who this man really is. He reminds me of an onion. Peel away the layers, and there’s nothing at the core. I don’t always agree with John McCain, but I’m pretty sure I know where he stands on most issues. At least that gives me some level of comfort. From day to day, I don’t know where Obama stands on anything. In one day, he said THREE different things about Iraq – he’d get the troops out in 16 months, then he’d keep troops in Iraq depending on conditions on the ground, and then he went back to his commitment to get the troops out in 16 months. It’s clear to me that this man is willing to say anything to get elected. The question is, what does he really believe and what will he really do?
Posted by: FOB | Aug 7, 2008 9:18:13 AM
Obama gave a hostile interview to a Las Vegas Radio Station..........he does not like to be questioned...
Channel 8 in Las Vegas
Posted by: Jed | Aug 7, 2008 9:19:02 AM
Anybody remember that Saturday Night Live skit? The one where Hillary gives her top reasons she should be given the nomination. Her #1 reason "I'm a sore loser." I believed it to be true back then and Hillary is proving it to be true now.
Posted by: joel | Aug 7, 2008 9:21:27 AM
Good -
I am so sick and tired of hearing the name OBAMA, OBAMA OBAMA and OBAMA to the point where my stomach turns.
--> yeah right, if his name is John Smith you wouldn't be so sick would you?
Posted by: someone | Aug 7, 2008 9:22:18 AM
A much deserved vacation. This guy has taken more vacations this year than I have. The Democrats are on vacation and the Republicans are showing their face in Washington D.C. Hillary Clinton is not on vacation and her husband is raising money for AIDS awareness and treatment (a subject that the "One" has not touched) and John McCain is not on vacation. Obama could pick the other "one" , whoevever that might be and I wouldn't vote for him. Go on vacation Obama. We all need a rest - from you. And because Hillary Clinton would not and did not play dirty by callling Obama out on his racists remarks (good for John McCain) she suffered. BTW he is not the nominee yet. There are over two weeks before the convention.
Posted by: Sue | Aug 7, 2008 9:23:55 AM
The issue is Hillary received more popular votes in the primaries ever. No one else in history has received as many popular votes as Hillary. As a Hillary Democrat, I am disgusted with this party that has chosen to annoint someone not deserving to be the candidate. In the end if Hillary is not the party's nominee, I shall vote for John happily.
Posted by: benvictor | Aug 7, 2008 9:24:12 AM
I am tired of Obama too but not because of his funny name. But because his pandering- insult to our intelligence campaign.
Obama now wants MI and FL fully seated. What happened to rules are rules?
I mean this is absolutely filthy and so disgusting that I can not contain myself.
With them seated fully
HILLARY WINS!!
Posted by: Davis | Aug 7, 2008 9:24:54 AM
I so sick of hearing the name Hillary,Hillary,Hillary.
Let her go back to her job and let the election take it's course.
Enough of her and her cheating husband.
Posted by: Bimbo | Aug 7, 2008 9:27:45 AM
I am one of the 18 Million voters that just can't see Obama as our next president deep down I really want to support Him but, it is not in me due, to the way that he and his supporters treated the Clinton's through the entire Primaries. Hillary needs to stand up for herself, her values, and the 18 Million people that voted for her. There is no alternative and Obama needs to sit down and shut up. She got the Popular vote, she got more votes yet He got more delegates due to the way our system is set up...If every vote counts then why is she not our nominee....Experience vs. talk and as far as I can see Obama is all talk that's why He's flip flopping on the issues. I can't support anyone who does that. He talked a good game but, now that the primaries are over he's showing everyone in this country he doesn't have the first clue....America NEEDS Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: pink rose | Aug 7, 2008 9:31:23 AM
If Obama is so massianic why is he still tied to McCain in the polls? With all the millions raised and economy in the gutter why is Obama not making any movement in the polls? Crazy lunatics in the Obama camp seems too blind not to see that the red states that made him the nominee are no longer there to vote for him in the fall. Arrongance, ego and sheer stupidity will certainly doom this man's candidacy if he does not take Hillary with him. The southerners voted for Bush/Cheney twice in a row, what makes anyone think that they will not vote for McCain who is a saint and angel combined when matched with Bush. Obama campaign team are really dumb not to take Hillary with them and angle for a landslide instead of a razor thin margin which always favors the vote rigging GOP time and time again.
Posted by: Ed Banks | Aug 7, 2008 9:31:56 AM
The world is not big enough for the egos of Obama, Hillary and of course, Bubba Bill. Bill is fuming that an upstart not only took the nomination from Hillary, but made Bill look foolish in the eyes of many people with his rants. Obama may know this, but he has a Bull's Eye on his back. The Clinton machine is out to make sure his presence on the political stage is a short one.
Posted by: Jeff in Orlando | Aug 7, 2008 9:33:16 AM
Michael,
Wait, Hillary isn't a liberal. Could have fooled me. Many liberals supported Bill Clinton as President, Hillary as Senator, and Hillary's run for the Dem nomination. Many still love and respect the Clintons. Why? Because the Clintons are liberal. And if they aren't, why have the right-wing nuts been telling me that the Clintons are Socialists/Commies for the last 16 years?
Compare and contrast Hillary's and Obama's proposed policies from the primary. I challenge you to find any significant differences. Now do the same with McCain. I think you'll find that Obama and Hillary agree on FAR MORE issues than either does with McCain.
And dude, the Socialist Regime crap. It's so tired and old and intellectually lazy. Grow up.
Posted by: OGLiberal | Aug 7, 2008 9:33:21 AM
Obama had better select Hillary as his VP or he can kiss the presidency good-bye and the US will suffer another 4 years of Repuklican dictatorship & most likely go down the tubes!
Obama, we don't want McShame running the show so hurry up and announce Hillary as your running mate OR LOSE!
Posted by: luvwknd | Aug 7, 2008 9:33:57 AM
Go Hillary!
Posted by: Thermal | Aug 7, 2008 9:34:45 AM
If I were Obama, and she tried to pull this stunt at the convention, I'd with draw my name from the Democratic Ballot and let Mctyrant get the oval office.
Let's see how Hillary chokes on that! Shee needs to realize that she's not all that!
It's insulting to think that because it IS time for us to get a woman in office, I'm not about to vote for ANY woman. I want my vote to count for the right direction.
Posted by: DAVID NH | Aug 7, 2008 9:35:03 AM
Hillary don't you remember commenting if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen? Well get the hell out of the kitchen already. You ran a good race and came in second so be it. I expect a speech at the convention that is not all about me me me me me me me me me me me me me me from you. You are yesterdays news period.
Posted by: Raul PEDRAZA | Aug 7, 2008 9:36:58 AM
Sad to read the comments on this board-- indicating lingering strife and resentment within the party that I hadn't realized ran so deep.
Hillary lost. Numbers weren't there. Now the Clinton dynasty will foul the convention, the only hope of sending a clear msg that the party is united.
McCain's a hawk, a social conservative and a petty wingnut. He reps 4 more years of tax breaks for the rich and deficits due to military spending.
Posted by: agosto | Aug 7, 2008 9:42:37 AM
Since Obama does not think he has an obligation to add Hillary to the ticket, Hillary should not go out of her way to help him. It is absurd to demand that the Clintons help him after all the nasty campaign he did against them. Why should the clintons help obama? Hillary is not obligated to do anything. Why is obama not asking the rest to the 8 past candidates to help him, why Hillary? Is Obama a user and abuser of women too?
Posted by: Ed Banks | Aug 7, 2008 9:42:54 AM
Why no one has interviewed Obama's mentor, Alice Palmer from Illinois is beyond me. Hillary Clinton was not the first women Obama threw under the bus. Any woman that votes for him is an idiot. But then, that's what men think women are - idiots.
Posted by: jc | Aug 7, 2008 9:43:38 AM
Hey - all you John Edwards fans. You know who you are (were). Remember your enthusiasm for him as president then, as vice president.
Where are you guys hiding? What sweet-talking empty-headed candidate are you supporting now?
Posted by: Thermal | Aug 7, 2008 9:45:23 AM
The DNC thought they were so clever when they picked Obama to be the nominee, only thing they overlooked were the people weren't as stupid as they thought they were. The DNC thought the whole party would back their choice and had the republican nominee been a conservative that might have been the case. Fortunately, the repubs elected a central moderate nominee, one that many dems and independents are very comfortable supporting. Howard Dean banked on the dem party to be simple minded minions that would blindly follow. He miscalculated, 40% of the party are free thinkers who resent their heavy-handed political tactics. That 40%, plus the indies, plus the repubs will turn out for McCain. The DNC and Obama will lose this election.
Posted by: Ex-Dem | Aug 7, 2008 9:52:02 AM
Since Hillary was cheated out of the opportunity of running for president, I have had to turn to Plan B - Vote for McCain.
Posted by: Lee | Aug 7, 2008 9:52:35 AM
Is John McCain more representative of the democratic party's values than Obama is? Of course he is!!
Obama is a socialist not a democrat. He represents the mind-set of elitists who want to re-engineer the American way of life.
Real democrats will vote for McCain!
Posted by: Thermal | Aug 7, 2008 9:54:02 AM
Donna,
I have to commend you on your wonderful contribution to this discourse. Well done. Such insight!
Posted by: OGLiberal | Aug 7, 2008 9:56:46 AM
"Is John McCain more representative of the democratic party's values than Obama is? Of course he is!!"
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted by: OGLiberal | Aug 7, 2008 9:57:33 AM
Why is everyone so angry?
Can't you guys chill out, stop shouting slogans at each other and remember what this is?
You are trying to elect the guy who will dictate the policies of the U.S. for the next 4-8 years.
Think about issues, policies. Either guy, if elected, will more or less do what he said during the campaign.
McCain will have a slightly more aggressive foreign policy, favour oil/big corporations a little more, be softer, tax-wise, on high earners and, consequently, a little harder on middle-low earners.
Obama, the other way around.
Thinking backwards, had Gore been elected there wouldn't have been Iraq war and tax cuts, and there would have been two centrist-to-liberal Supreme Court nominations, instead of two centrist-to-conservative ones. You can pick based on this. Either pick is legitimate, and has little to do with the actual identity of the candidate. It's party policy.
All this character BS is just a smokescreen. These guys are professionals of politics, and will enact their respective party's policies, within the constraints of Congress control. Only rarely does a politician's actual character/leanings matter much at all at this level (it did a bit for W, but one could argue he wasn't a professional politician in the first place - near unique case).
So, if you like the Dems' policies, vote Obama. If you like the Repubs' ones, vote McCain.
All the rest is nonsense.
Posted by: Gianluca Pollastri | Aug 7, 2008 9:58:37 AM
NYT: Obama leans on big-dollar donors
So much for Obama's high and mighty claims to get his $$$ from little people. What a fraud!
Posted by: Thermal | Aug 7, 2008 9:59:50 AM
This is perhaps the single most important election for years and here we are still dickering around with the Clintons. It like Nero fiddling away while Rome burnt down. It is time to get rid of the good old boys on both sides of the political canvas and come up with some that know what they are doing and put the interests of the American people first. It time for he big boys to realize that if you loan money to people you might loose it and its time to stop subsidizing all sorts of stuff the the government should not be involved in. It time to balance the federal budget and if that means some banks go down or farmers have to grow stuff so be it.
Alex P
Posted by: Alex Paterson | Aug 7, 2008 10:01:57 AM
Seems Like a typical CLINTON tactic....
I don't care if I lost I want it anyway.
Our system is set up so there is no 2nd place - too bad the CLINTON's don't understand that.
Posted by: Klark Kent | Aug 7, 2008 10:06:53 AM
Hillary and her supporters showed NO respect to Obama and his supporters during the campaign, they deserve NON for themselves, now.
Posted by: Thomas Mc | Aug 7, 2008 10:07:20 AM
Obama is going to lose. Plain and simple. The tide has turned,.People are very tired of seeing him and his family in the news and on the magazine covers. The marketers that created his image have oversaturated America with him. His star rose quickly and it is going to crash even faster. He will lose in November.
Posted by: Ex-Dem | Aug 7, 2008 10:08:15 AM
Hillary only lost because of the media, and the DNC, with the games they played with Florida and Michigan, had they campaigned, and had they both had their names on the ballot, we would have seen the real results and I believe Hillary would be our nominee, the Volume by which she would have won BOTH states would have carried her forward with such force Osama could have never caught her. Hillary and all of us that support her got screwed and she is right in allowing us to be heard, we will not vote for osama at any cost.
Posted by: Leo | Aug 7, 2008 10:11:36 AM
OBAMA and his supporters showed NO respect to HRC and her supporters during the campaign, HE now deserves NONE for Himself.
Posted by: Frank- South Hampton | Aug 7, 2008 10:11:41 AM
I believe people are mentioning the name 'OBAMA' more than they are saying 'GOD help us'. We just can't do that. What has he got to offer compared with God?
Posted by: Dave | Aug 7, 2008 10:11:52 AM
Stated perfectly, Thermal.
The new democratic party no longer represents that average American family.
Posted by: Ex-Dem | Aug 7, 2008 10:12:28 AM
Hillary supporters are so childish, why do they think we can take them seriously?
Posted by: Thomas Mc | Aug 7, 2008 10:13:13 AM
Thomas - I'm thinking come November there will be many who think "maybe we should have taken them seriously."
Posted by: Stan | Aug 7, 2008 10:14:52 AM
For All Hillary supporters,
Be prepared to say hi to President McCain until 2012, then We say hi to President Clinton.
OBAMA - Drive-By Media = BIG NOTHING
Posted by: Microtek | Aug 7, 2008 10:16:16 AM
Clinton's supporters are massive in numbers and growing. We may be seeing the formation of a new moderate third party, and that's not at all bad. Obama's supporters with their nasty personal attacks are trimming the rolls of the DNC and soon they will have complete control of "what".
Posted by: Ron | Aug 7, 2008 10:19:32 AM
The hardest thing to understand is how the Clinton's, who are as mean-spirited, self-centered, and oblivious to reality as anyone in recent history, can generate any level of support. Vote for her because she's a woman????? There's a lot more capable women than her around, who aren't saddled with old Albatross Billy. The sore loser sketch on SNL had it 100%. Even the Bushies haven't had hootchi-koo with the interns, and staffers mysteriously showing up dead in the park, followed by a complete tossing of the victim's office the very night of discovery. And, the friends they attract are pretty scary as well. I'm as surprised as anyone that they didn't just steamroll their way in. Maybe Slick can call Ross Perot and see if he can do something to help like he did back in 92.
Posted by: Cap'n Barky | Aug 7, 2008 10:20:17 AM
I don't know why the media continues to only give half the story. Hillary Clinton clearly said in her announcement that she is backing Obama in this election and is appealing to her fans and supporters to do the same. She is holding a web conference today, but she doesn't look or sound angry and hateful. I am so tired of the "spins" reporters and the media put on these poor people. Sometimes we don't put on the best face when disappointed, but that doesn't mean it has to be beaten to death by the media who wouldn't know the truth if it bashed them in the face.
Posted by: Lgs | Aug 7, 2008 10:27:10 AM
Frank..." I think Obama will ruin this country more than anyone else."
Just how?
Posted by: Sean | Aug 7, 2008 10:27:47 AM
Jan...the best what???? Lier....Mmmm
I'd say she has her place and she should be in position where she can fight....Att General maybe
Posted by: newvoter | Aug 7, 2008 10:28:33 AM
Yes, Frank...let's hear how you think that will happen, and why
Posted by: truthtell | Aug 7, 2008 10:29:33 AM
Laugh on Billy. Your comment is respresentive of the Obama low road.
Posted by: Ron | Aug 7, 2008 10:29:52 AM
I've always felt that Hillary has a hidden agenda. I think she will be up for roll call. Her supporters are uniting even more now, and with this press, it will fire them up for the convention. This will have a serious negative affect on Obama, because it's clear that the Democrats are not united. This is going to be interesting to see how it plays out. You can't get one over on the Clintons, and now, since Obama is falling in the polls, its evident that Hillary would be the better nominee against McCain.
Posted by: david from texas | Aug 7, 2008 10:30:37 AM
Hey newvoter,
I say ambassador to China. Would be fun to see Bill/Hill deal with people as hard headed and devious as they are themselves. Plus, it gets them out of the way here.
If China's not available, let's open relations with North Korea. That might be even better.
Posted by: Cap'n Barky | Aug 7, 2008 10:33:07 AM
Obama is so narcissist and Michelle so hateful!.....
18 million democratic americans love Hillary Clinton and dislike Barack and Michelle. If Barack really wanted to unite the party and the country he would choose Hillary Clinton as the VP; but NO, he is a pompous, egotistic empty suit and as a result of that millions of Hillary supporters will not vote for Barack in the general election.
The question for Hillary Clinton supporters still remain; will they vote for John McCain or stay home??
Many of us are so worried about Barack in the white house that are planning to vote for John McCain to make sure we have someone in the white house with integrity and good intentions for America, and that is the sad reality.
Posted by: Manolete | Aug 7, 2008 10:33:22 AM
ok NOT listen and listen well..... she got more vote in the primary than anyone in HISTORY.... so we just don't want her name in the nomination...oh I forgot she is female she doesn;t desire it.Im glad FDR wasn't a female...because he didn't get the nomintion untill the 4th ballet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: glen | Aug 7, 2008 10:33:59 AM
LGS...Obviously you don't watch the news. Yesterady Hillary was video taped at a fundraiser saying she didn't think Obama could win and that "we need to make a showing at the convention, we need to protest."
That's not showing support for the candidate. Have you really seen her since she conceded? NO
Posted by: militarymom | Aug 7, 2008 10:34:53 AM
he has no one to blame but himself. He stole everything from his speeches, to delegates. Karma is coming back on him. He cannot win in November. He needs the Clinton's and he knows it. Too bad, so sad....Hillary can and will take the Nomination. We will not support a selected candidate, and we do not want Hillary as a VP. He should have took the the Clinton/obama ticket when he had the chance. We are not all old, fat bitter women....we are all ages, nationalities, we are men and women...and we will remember in November!
PUMA
Posted by: prplvette85 | Aug 7, 2008 10:37:13 AM
People get the Government they deserve. There are millions of intelligent people in this great country of ours, but unfortunately we also have a majority of people who are well endowed with ignorance and need other people to think for them. It is clear that Bill and Hillary are motivated by self interest and that is not an attribute becoming a President of the USA. If I need a leader whom I will follow regardless of the circumstances I choose Jesus,
Posted by: Frank Small | Aug 7, 2008 10:38:11 AM
Go Hillary. Demand a vote and win for America!
Posted by: carolyn | Aug 7, 2008 10:41:27 AM
The Democrats are truly not unified at this point and this will cause defeat for Obama in November. Welcome, President McCain!
Posted by: david from texas | Aug 7, 2008 10:41:40 AM
There is no excuse for Hilary and Bill's actions. Enough!
Posted by: thebob.bob | Aug 7, 2008 10:41:42 AM
How absurd to get your nose bent out of shape when a politician "flip flops." To me that is the mark of a pro. A good politician practices the art of compromise; how else do we get things done in a democracy when there are numerous opinions. Have you noticed how little George Bush has accomplished because he won't change any of his positions. Give both Obama and McCain a break when they they are willing to change their position in order to move the country forward. If McCain now supports higher mpg standards, good for him. If Obama now is moving toward off shore drilling, good for him.
Posted by: Richard | Aug 7, 2008 10:42:09 AM
Genderism is alive in the USA. There are a lot of angry women out there.
Posted by: Frank Small | Aug 7, 2008 10:42:20 AM
Manotle....he didn't choose Hillary because of Bill....have you seen him lately when he talks about the primary. He is still livid that they didn't win...he would be a MAJOR distubance in the job of running the government...
Posted by: thoughtful | Aug 7, 2008 10:43:57 AM
I will be voting for McCain. Obama stole the nomination with underhanded tricks and corrupt lies. I will never have respect for him. He is a charlatan.
Hillary should continue making all the right noises but keep her distance from Obama. Obama will be enemy no. 1 in the democratic party soon. Anyone who is too close to him will be affected badly.
Hillary for president in 2012.
Posted by: Hillary2012 | Aug 7, 2008 10:44:45 AM
A roll call for Senator Hillary Clinton at the Democratic Convention has nothing to do with narcissism, entitlement, fat menopausal bitter women, or being a sore loser. It has everything to do with History. It needs to be recorded in History that the first woman to campaign and run for the office of President of the USA was a serious contender, coming very close to securing the nomination. History will also study all of the reasons that this did not happen. There will be a symbolic roll call and Hillary, the consummate professional, will cede her delegates to Obama. This is how it is done, how it used to be done when all of this business was conducted at conventions instead of back rooms. Not to do this would be very injurious to the millions of voters, male and female, old and young, rich and poor and middle class, who voted for her and there were sufficient of those for others to claim she was "harming" the process and needed to "get out of the way". The process of voting for the candidate of your choice cannot be harmed as long as people are expressing their choice, but, the deed is done, and this roll call is a MUST. People need to get over their bitterness and hostility; I have and, if I can, the rest of you can, too. Afterall, you got what you wanted and you should turn your angst and anger on to where it belongs. Along with all the rest of the history made in this primary election was the unprecedented showing of a woman campaigning for the office of President.
Posted by: tomay | Aug 7, 2008 10:45:13 AM
Obama camp and supporters are running scared now for good reason. The "world" may still be chanting for the "citizen of the world" but the VOTING American public is sick to the point of gagging at his pretty boy face and his platform of "just words". He and Pelosi and the rest of the DNC railroaders are off to their vacation while we the public can't go anywhere with gasoline prices at $4/gal or more! The DNC has created a train wreck of gigantic proportions, splintering the party and possibly doing irreparable damage.
Go McCain! '08
Posted by: change to what? | Aug 7, 2008 10:49:33 AM
At this point, anyone who thinks Obama can win needs therapy. It's over for him. He has peaked and is on his way down.
Sorry Dean, Brazile and Pelosi but the American people are not idiots. You cannot convince them that a guy who's only redeeming quality is reading someone else's words from a teleprompter should be the next president. Because his ego seemingly knows no bounds, the man is potentially even more dangerous than George W. Bush. His recent king of the world ego trip did him in with most thinking folk.
It's not too late. The delegates can grow a spine at the convention and give us a candidate who is brilliant, accomplished, competent and, best of all, able to beat McCain. It's your move, DNC. Fix it or lose it!
Posted by: antifish | Aug 7, 2008 10:52:14 AM
Capitol Hill doesn't care what we think.
That's why their approval rating is so low.
And we continue to leave those idiots in power. We get what we deserve.
Go vote.
Posted by: billyjack13 | Aug 7, 2008 10:52:27 AM
change to what, I believe "vacation" means going home to be with their families. And Obama supporters are not running scared, sorry.
Posted by: d | Aug 7, 2008 10:52:34 AM
Hillary got more votes than McCain
Hillary got more votes than Obama
So the ONE candidate who got more votes than the other candidates, and those voters should be ignored at the party convention? Yep, good way of dividing the party.
Love it how the Obama supporters are always so viciously defensive, to the point of being foul and vicious when their precious messiah is threatened in any way. this is the "change" and "hope" that he is talking about? This blind obsession sounds more like what got Hitler into power.
Again, Hillary got more votes. You can whine all you want about "sore losers", blah blah blah, but, so sorry for you, and you hate to admit it, but you need the votes of these sore losers for your messiah Obama, don't you know? Better be nice to us.
No matter though, we ain't voting for Obama.
DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN
Posted by: decentAmerican | Aug 7, 2008 10:58:19 AM
Good for Hillary. The DNC, the party elite and the mainstream media made a huge mistake when they orchestrated the Obama nomination; they will pay for it in November.
Posted by: Fred | Aug 7, 2008 11:04:37 AM
Every vote for McCain is a vote for the oil companies, its for tax troubles, its for middle class holding their middle class spots, its for the lack of progress. Every vote for Obama is for better energy, its for higher taxes(cuz his policies need more funding), its for a slow progress, but its for more jobs. Every vote for Hillary, if the situation arises, is for failure. She isnt winning.
Posted by: Sean | Aug 7, 2008 11:06:45 AM
THANK YOU TOMAY..... WONDERFUL COMMENT
Posted by: BMW60 | Aug 7, 2008 11:08:14 AM
"$267,000,000 for Hype" huh??? But yet you all want Obama to settle Hillary's debt with some of that "HYPE" money...Y'all are Full of IT!
Posted by: Lisa Lewis | Aug 7, 2008 11:10:10 AM
Ditto BMW60's kudos to TOMAY
Posted by: Kitty | Aug 7, 2008 9:00:26 AM
I prefer, "Bayh, Bayh Obama!!"
LOL!
Posted by: just.words... | Aug 7, 2008 11:12:42 AM
Lisa Lewis: Many, if not most, of Hillary's supporters have worked hard and sacrificed greatly to pay off her campaign debt. The supporters you are referring to are not necessarily the ones asking for help from Mr. Hype. In fact they'd rather not have ANYTHING from him.
Posted by: done with dems | Aug 7, 2008 11:14:36 AM
tlintw, Now you don't like Obama because he wants to take some time off to be with his family. I think he misses his 2 young daughters as they miss him. To me that is being a wonderful dad. Wouldn't you agree. This is so petty of you to respond like this.
Posted by: erin | Aug 7, 2008 11:18:36 AM
To Cap 'N Barky,
For an "Accidental President" who was "an accident" for two terms and the only Democrat able to be elected since Carter, I'd say he did a pretty good job. I believe you would have to admit that you did pretty well during those days of peace and prosperity and good will abroad, as well.
I commend your unadulterated adoration for your current choice, but it does not require you to dismiss the accomplishments of another. Even if your candidate did a totally unprecedented thing of defaming the Administration of a former President from his own party because he was frustrated with a challenger who happened to be the wife of that President and couldn't deal with it, you do not have to. They will not win or lose the election for your candidate; he will do either all on his own. If your candidate is so smart and capable, so all-knowing and so deserving, so perfect for these times, you do not need to be so radical and so defensive that you trash everyone who came before him. The mess we are in is a direct result of the current occupant of the WH. Direct your comments to those who put him there and to the dismantling of this country that has occurred since he has been there. The "Accidental President" left the country in good shape, in spite of the Republican campaign to remove him from the day he took office.
Posted by: tomay | Aug 7, 2008 11:18:42 AM



