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The Note: Obama vs. Clinton: The Battle Continues
August 07, 2008 8:30 AM
ABC News' Rick Klein writes in Thursday's Note: Sen. Barack Obama is set to leave for his much-deserved vacation with one very big loose end that doesn’t want to be tied -- and that’s not counting the veepstakes.
It’s the drama that won’t go away, the storyline that’s too delicious to recede, the symbol of a party’s divisions the very mention of which brings smiles to the faces of editors and producers: Obama vs. Clinton. (Welcome back.)
To former President Bill Clinton’s missing praise (to say nothing of what he is saying), we add this: A steadfast refusal by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to rule out allowing her delegates to vent in the peculiar fashion of voting for her on the convention floor, instead of the candidate she’s campaigning for.
“I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected,” Clinton, D-N.Y., told a gathering of supporters last week, ABC News reported Wednesday. “We do not want any Democrat either in the hall or in the stadium or at home walking away saying, well, you know, I’m just not satisfied, I’m not happy.”
“It’s as old as, you know, Greek drama,” Clinton said. (We couldn’t agree more.)
Read the rest of The Note -- and get all the latest on the 2008 election, Congress, the White House and the wide world of politics every day -- from Rick Klein by bookmarking this link.
Clinton gets a chance to clear the air with a *noon ET Web chat Thursday* organized for supporters (hope you weren’t expecting softballs -- or donations that don’t come with a price).
What does it say about the most important relationship in the Democratic Party that this is still an unresolved issue, three weeks before Obama is set to formally claim the nomination? Can a party heal if one of its principal players -- and a few million of her supporters -- aren’t ready for it?
“The refusal to publicly announce her intentions is widely seen as a bargaining chip Clinton is holding on to as party officials negotiate logistics regarding her convention speech and other activities,” per ABC News.
Said Clinton friend Lanny Davis (who, like most inside Camp Clinton, don’t want a roll call): “It's a reflection of genuine frustration by Hillary Clinton supporters that Sen. Obama seems to have forgotten about 18 million voters.”
Think of how much the joint Obama-Clinton statement released late Wednesday doesn’t say: “We are working together to make sure the fall campaign and the convention are a success. At the Democratic Convention, we will ensure that the voices of everyone who participated in this historic process are respected and our party will be fully unified heading into the November election.”
Continue reading today's Note by clicking HERE.
ABC News' Hope Ditto, Alexa Ainsworth and Jason Volack contributed to this report.
August 7, 2008 in Bush, George W., Hunter, Duncan, Kucinich, Dennis, Palin, Sarah, Romney, Mitt, Tancredo, Tom, Thompson, Fred, Veepstakes | Permalink | User Comments (205)
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Michael,
Wait, Hillary isn't a liberal. Could have fooled me. Many liberals supported Bill Clinton as President, Hillary as Senator, and Hillary's run for the Dem nomination. Many still love and respect the Clintons. Why? Because the Clintons are liberal. And if they aren't, why have the right-wing nuts been telling me that the Clintons are Socialists/Commies for the last 16 years?
Compare and contrast Hillary's and Obama's proposed policies from the primary. I challenge you to find any significant differences. Now do the same with McCain. I think you'll find that Obama and Hillary agree on FAR MORE issues than either does with McCain.
And dude, the Socialist Regime crap. It's so tired and old and intellectually lazy. Grow up.
Posted by: OGLiberal | Aug 7, 2008 9:33:21 AM
Obama had better select Hillary as his VP or he can kiss the presidency good-bye and the US will suffer another 4 years of Repuklican dictatorship & most likely go down the tubes!
Obama, we don't want McShame running the show so hurry up and announce Hillary as your running mate OR LOSE!
Posted by: luvwknd | Aug 7, 2008 9:33:57 AM
Go Hillary!
Posted by: Thermal | Aug 7, 2008 9:34:45 AM
If I were Obama, and she tried to pull this stunt at the convention, I'd with draw my name from the Democratic Ballot and let Mctyrant get the oval office.
Let's see how Hillary chokes on that! Shee needs to realize that she's not all that!
It's insulting to think that because it IS time for us to get a woman in office, I'm not about to vote for ANY woman. I want my vote to count for the right direction.
Posted by: DAVID NH | Aug 7, 2008 9:35:03 AM
Hillary don't you remember commenting if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen? Well get the hell out of the kitchen already. You ran a good race and came in second so be it. I expect a speech at the convention that is not all about me me me me me me me me me me me me me me from you. You are yesterdays news period.
Posted by: Raul PEDRAZA | Aug 7, 2008 9:36:58 AM
Sad to read the comments on this board-- indicating lingering strife and resentment within the party that I hadn't realized ran so deep.
Hillary lost. Numbers weren't there. Now the Clinton dynasty will foul the convention, the only hope of sending a clear msg that the party is united.
McCain's a hawk, a social conservative and a petty wingnut. He reps 4 more years of tax breaks for the rich and deficits due to military spending.
Posted by: agosto | Aug 7, 2008 9:42:37 AM
Since Obama does not think he has an obligation to add Hillary to the ticket, Hillary should not go out of her way to help him. It is absurd to demand that the Clintons help him after all the nasty campaign he did against them. Why should the clintons help obama? Hillary is not obligated to do anything. Why is obama not asking the rest to the 8 past candidates to help him, why Hillary? Is Obama a user and abuser of women too?
Posted by: Ed Banks | Aug 7, 2008 9:42:54 AM
Why no one has interviewed Obama's mentor, Alice Palmer from Illinois is beyond me. Hillary Clinton was not the first women Obama threw under the bus. Any woman that votes for him is an idiot. But then, that's what men think women are - idiots.
Posted by: jc | Aug 7, 2008 9:43:38 AM
Hey - all you John Edwards fans. You know who you are (were). Remember your enthusiasm for him as president then, as vice president.
Where are you guys hiding? What sweet-talking empty-headed candidate are you supporting now?
Posted by: Thermal | Aug 7, 2008 9:45:23 AM
The DNC thought they were so clever when they picked Obama to be the nominee, only thing they overlooked were the people weren't as stupid as they thought they were. The DNC thought the whole party would back their choice and had the republican nominee been a conservative that might have been the case. Fortunately, the repubs elected a central moderate nominee, one that many dems and independents are very comfortable supporting. Howard Dean banked on the dem party to be simple minded minions that would blindly follow. He miscalculated, 40% of the party are free thinkers who resent their heavy-handed political tactics. That 40%, plus the indies, plus the repubs will turn out for McCain. The DNC and Obama will lose this election.
Posted by: Ex-Dem | Aug 7, 2008 9:52:02 AM
Since Hillary was cheated out of the opportunity of running for president, I have had to turn to Plan B - Vote for McCain.
Posted by: Lee | Aug 7, 2008 9:52:35 AM
Is John McCain more representative of the democratic party's values than Obama is? Of course he is!!
Obama is a socialist not a democrat. He represents the mind-set of elitists who want to re-engineer the American way of life.
Real democrats will vote for McCain!
Posted by: Thermal | Aug 7, 2008 9:54:02 AM
Donna,
I have to commend you on your wonderful contribution to this discourse. Well done. Such insight!
Posted by: OGLiberal | Aug 7, 2008 9:56:46 AM
"Is John McCain more representative of the democratic party's values than Obama is? Of course he is!!"
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted by: OGLiberal | Aug 7, 2008 9:57:33 AM
Why is everyone so angry?
Can't you guys chill out, stop shouting slogans at each other and remember what this is?
You are trying to elect the guy who will dictate the policies of the U.S. for the next 4-8 years.
Think about issues, policies. Either guy, if elected, will more or less do what he said during the campaign.
McCain will have a slightly more aggressive foreign policy, favour oil/big corporations a little more, be softer, tax-wise, on high earners and, consequently, a little harder on middle-low earners.
Obama, the other way around.
Thinking backwards, had Gore been elected there wouldn't have been Iraq war and tax cuts, and there would have been two centrist-to-liberal Supreme Court nominations, instead of two centrist-to-conservative ones. You can pick based on this. Either pick is legitimate, and has little to do with the actual identity of the candidate. It's party policy.
All this character BS is just a smokescreen. These guys are professionals of politics, and will enact their respective party's policies, within the constraints of Congress control. Only rarely does a politician's actual character/leanings matter much at all at this level (it did a bit for W, but one could argue he wasn't a professional politician in the first place - near unique case).
So, if you like the Dems' policies, vote Obama. If you like the Repubs' ones, vote McCain.
All the rest is nonsense.
Posted by: Gianluca Pollastri | Aug 7, 2008 9:58:37 AM
NYT: Obama leans on big-dollar donors
So much for Obama's high and mighty claims to get his $$$ from little people. What a fraud!
Posted by: Thermal | Aug 7, 2008 9:59:50 AM
This is perhaps the single most important election for years and here we are still dickering around with the Clintons. It like Nero fiddling away while Rome burnt down. It is time to get rid of the good old boys on both sides of the political canvas and come up with some that know what they are doing and put the interests of the American people first. It time for he big boys to realize that if you loan money to people you might loose it and its time to stop subsidizing all sorts of stuff the the government should not be involved in. It time to balance the federal budget and if that means some banks go down or farmers have to grow stuff so be it.
Alex P
Posted by: Alex Paterson | Aug 7, 2008 10:01:57 AM
Seems Like a typical CLINTON tactic....
I don't care if I lost I want it anyway.
Our system is set up so there is no 2nd place - too bad the CLINTON's don't understand that.
Posted by: Klark Kent | Aug 7, 2008 10:06:53 AM
Hillary and her supporters showed NO respect to Obama and his supporters during the campaign, they deserve NON for themselves, now.
Posted by: Thomas Mc | Aug 7, 2008 10:07:20 AM
Obama is going to lose. Plain and simple. The tide has turned,.People are very tired of seeing him and his family in the news and on the magazine covers. The marketers that created his image have oversaturated America with him. His star rose quickly and it is going to crash even faster. He will lose in November.
Posted by: Ex-Dem | Aug 7, 2008 10:08:15 AM
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