this is a war against science and facts.

Palin is a trojan horse...

and mccain is playing by the playbook of the 8 years of the team which got us here...

I wish people would differentiate between embryonic stem cell research, which most all pro-life people are against, and adult stem cell research - which has shown greater promise and results - which everyone and their dog is for..... any thinking person knows the embryonic stem cell research is just another way to fiscally empower the abortion industry. My grandmother died with Alzhiemer's, my mother has it now - but both of these dear ladies would never sanction the killing of an unborn child for any reason - especially to better their own life.

Biden sucks,

Hillary will step up to the plate in 4 years.

Sadly, that's all we have now, but the vindication will be evident.

Let's just hope Pailin' McCain hasn't sunk the ship by then.

Can you say LANDSLIDE!?!

4 years people, we have to wait 4 years. Nothing worth so much ever came easy. She's worth the wait though.

PS - Hillary, just don't pick Schummer or some other schmuck as the VP! Can we learn a LESSON here!?!?!

as America is losing it's battle with world markets on engineers, science, invention, math...

and education on those matters is being frought with battles against anti-science beliefs...

Mccain picks Palin... another reason this is just a sad state of affairs

America goes down the tubes because Mccain wants to continue the tactics of the last 8 years in policy and cover up.

wake up America you have been duped by this for 8 years of decline...tricked and played...

now same team same tactics going for the 9th year.

throw the "anti fact, anti science, cover up mistake" bums out.

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Biden? I hear that Hitlery accidently called him Vince Foster today.

Joe, do you have a food tester?

Hey, dl, do you have any idea what you are saying? Care to tell us how Palin is a trojan horse? She is hiding in a big wooden box?

Try to get some help, please. Drop those meds.

Care to tell us just what "playbook" McCain is using? Didn't know this was football.

Last I looked Bush kicked the butts of two just brilliant, smart, eco-loving democrats. Yes, that Bush is sooooo dumb.

To me, the country was doing superb. Until democrats took over the House and Senate. Then the country turned to sh*t. They won't let us increase the oil supply, making sure that we pay 10 times what we did for gas. Not too many folks eating out when they got to pay $100 to fill up.

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Don't worry. When Obammy takes over you won't pay any more taxes. You won't pay any more for gas. You won't have to worry about the city YOU live in getting blown to bits.

Happy?

One part of this issue that I can't understand is why anyone would be opposed to even using existing frozen embryos that are SLATED TO BE DESTROYED? Why is there never any outcry from the rabid antis about that? Total hypocrisy, that's why. Adult stem cells as well as those destined for the incinerator should be taken advantage of for research, and now!

I support embryonic stem cell research. That said, I don’t care how McCain-Palin stand on any issue – I am voting for them. The alternative is unthinkable. Both houses of Congress are going to be overwhelmingly Democratic. The thought of Pelosi, Dean, Dodd & Obama running this country terrifies me. The Bush administration just about ruined this country with a stupid war and massive spending, and I have no faith left in the Republican Party. I have even less faith in the Democratic Party, simply because they want to create even more massive “entitlement” programs. I am a true Independent – both the major parties suck and need to be put out of their misery. John McCain will be a one-term president. That means he’s going to be more interested in doing the right thing than in pleasing special interests or trying to get re-elected. He wants to secure his place in history, and wants to go down as a successful President. He’ll fight for what he thinks is right. I have no problem with Obama – don’t care if he’s Muslim or not, don’t care if he’s spent most of his time in the Senate running for President. He’s ambitious. So what? He’s just too green, and too far to the left. Too far to the left is as bad as too far to the right. John McCain isn’t the perfect choice, but he’ll stand up to Congress, and attempt to do the right thing – if only to mark his place in history as a reform President. In this election, he’s the best choice. With maturity and experience, Obama may well be ready to lead this nation.

--Pete--Perhaps Obama supporters should know that Obama has AC/DC tendencies and has been caught. It was headlines in the news stand a few weeks ago. Being on the campaign trail and in hotels make it easy. Ask Michelle.

This is the Palin defense. Every attack against her is offensive. Will the McCain/Palin campaign ever address the issues? What is wrong with these people? Are they insane?

Martin

What's AC/DC tendencies?

lol so you guys instead of voting obama youll vote for mccain and then vote for hillary

and then you have the nerve to say i hope mccain doesnt ruin the country before then

does this make any sense?

mccain palin pick is dangerous, he is the oldest person ever running for a first term....

she could be the president

and if he doesnt die he will run for a second term, he has even said so....

and if he doesnt SHE WILL

supporting palin mccain err i mean mccain palin is just plain silly

Flynn: I respect your thoughtfulness and understand your concerns. I do disagree, though. And I truly can't understand how you would be able to vote for the Republican ticket and mantra. I don't believe Sen Obama will be as far to the left as you fear, because no President can do that and get anything accomplished. But if you actually research where each candidate stands on the issues that will deeply impact the course of this nation, taxwise, healthcarewise...the Republican party only has slander and sarcasm, not solutions. I think John McCain, since he has become the candidate especially, has caved to the pressure of the Republicans running the show. He has shown no real backbone and now with this choice of VP, caved to their political views.

Hot button emotional issue. Not a good idea to campaign on it.

Republicans will win on this. I do not think the facts are in favor of the Democrats on the abortion issue. I for one do not support Abortion in general, I do understand that in certain instances, it should be legal.

Stem Cell research plays into this debate in a negative way

Wow, now we can go into Biden's church, The Catholic Church, and film the priest saying Stem Cell Research is killing of a living thing.

Go to the video tape. Obama is talking out of both sides of his mouth. IS he a catholic?

Biden probably thinks stem cell research is all about hair plugs - he will obviously be for that.

Biden is a Catholic and supports abortion and stem cell research. Isn't that being a hypocrite? Isn't that par for the democratic course?

why do you people keep talking about churches

our politicians SHOULD NEVER interject their beliefs into their governing or policies

we are suppose to have freedom of religion, and if one of our elected officials starts basing their beliefs ontheir policies they are discriminating against those people taht have different beliefs

biden said it perfect on meet hte press

i have my beliefs, but my beliefs shouldnt effect those people that have different beliefs

so you can take your church BS talk and shove it

palin needs to talk about what kind of governing she would do... because her church is scary...

i dont want that bush bs evangelical crap written into the laws anymore

keep god OUT OF OUR GOVERMENT

No wonder Obama is loosing Catholic support!

Biden's church is against Abortion, stem cell research, homosexuality. Biden's church has a history of pedophiles abusing young boys. Biden's church blamed Jews for the death of Jesus.

Do you want to talk about Obama's church next?

Obama has AC/DC tendencies and has been caught.

Posted by: Martin | Sep 9, 2008 2:02:24 PM

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Well alright then.

Bailiff, whack his pee pee!

There, he's been punished

Pailin has rectal conversational tendencies and has been caught.

McCain has Sado-masochistic tendencies and has been caught!

video tape at 11!

Bit of a pin head aren't you Norman.

For someone who refers to herself as a "pitbull with lipstick", these Palin supporters are surprisingly thin skinned. That and totally hypocrytical. Oh wait, Sen McCain is at the top of the ticket. Whatever happened to him?

Embryionic stem cells are where the controversy lies - didn't Biden just say a few days ago that he believes life begins at conception? And we can't forget his all-knowing counterpart's answer when life begins - it's above his pay scale to know that.

Shellyt, I absolutely disagree with you. Mcain shows “no real backbone?” McCain is the man who said, and meant, that he would rather lose an election than lose a war. He then backed up those words by taking an unpopular stand. And the Republican party “only has slander and sarcasm, not solutions?” Shelly, candidates of both parties engage in slander and sarcasm. Barack Obama is no better than Clinton or McCain in that regard. Your response to my post reveals a level of immaturity that is typical of the pro-Obama posts that I read. You indicated that I should “research where each candidate stands on the issues.” I’ve done exactly that, and come to the conclusion that John McCain, while not perfect, is the better choice in this election.

Obama is just plain getting hysterically frightened. After all, he's already had his name embroidered on O-Force one saying "President Obama." He just has to win.......

Biden would be President if he had hair -go ask him. he said so.

If you know anyone who's sick with cancer, Parkinson's, Down Syndrome, or any other illness, you should vote for the candidate who wants to help them with supporting the development of treatments through stem-cell research.

The Republicans just don't get it. How can they sit back and let people die without trying to find treatments?

It's not above my pay scale to know when life begins. It begins at birth. There, now you know.

“Obama has been ramping up the attack machine against Palin. He is even starting to attack her on personal issues.” Hmmm. An increasingly angry black guy beating up on a white mother of five with a special needs baby. Now that’s a strategy designed to succeed, if I ever saw one! LOL!

From:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/65qxee

Sunday, September 07, 2008

10 Ways in Which, For Women, Sarah Palin Is *Exactly* Like George W. Bush

1) Like Bush, she is completely against a woman's right to choose (in fact, she exceeds Bush in that she is against a woman's right to choose even in cases of rape or incest;

2) Like Bush, she opposes stem cell research to prevent fatal diseases in men, women and children;

3) Like Bush, supports the teaching of Creationism alongside Evolution in public schools;

4) Like Bush, does not believe that Global Warming is man made;

5) Like Bush, has supported abstinence-only sex education methods that have proven ineffective;

6) Like Bush, has virtually no foreign policy experience prior to running for national office--(in Palin's case, despite a 72-year old, chronically ill running mate)

7) Like Bush, has engaged in conduct that has resulted in current government investigation of her actions;

8) Like Bush, has made statements which indicate lack of knowledge of basic elements of the office they are running for (Palin, July 2008: "What exactly does the Vice President do everyday?");

9) Like Bush, has been sequestered to prevent her being asked questions that she has not yet been prepared to answer;

10) Like Bush, talks like a reformer--yet in her actions (i.e., relying on lobbying, supporting the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it) acts in the most typical, all-too-familiar fashion.

H/T: On The Issues

Cite:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/65qxee

Obama et al trashes HRC but now begs her to rescue the failing ticket.

Funny, funny, funny!

Thinking:

You said that you don't support abortion in general. I think I can speak for all pro-choicers when I say that we don't support abortions, either. We support the right to choose. It is an important distinction.

What's offensive and disturbing is calling yourself pro life and not supporting stem cell research.

I hear Pelosi's so worried, she's going in for more plastic surgery.

Who knows Obama best?

Probably Michelle.

Why then, is she gagged in the closet?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Biden sucks,

Hillary will step up to the plate in 4 years.

Sadly, that's all we have now, but the vindication will be evident.

Let's just hope Pailin' McCain hasn't sunk the ship by then.

IS EIGHT YEARS NOT LONG ENOUGH TO GET BACK ON GOOD ECONOMIC TRACK AND TO START LIVING LIKE THE 90S AGAIN? WHO KNOWNS WHERE THEY'LL BE IN 4 YEARS? BE SMART.

Yes, and Obama must have learned all of his personal attack tactics on white women from his "spiritual father and mentor," Reverend Wright.

Haven't you heard? Reverend Wright just got caught with his hands (or e-mails) in a white man's cookie jar!!

Palin a trojan horse for whom? Russia? Canada? Talking about Trojan candidate, what about Indonesia? Kenya?

Reading these asinine comments is bit disheartening of the intellect of the American people. 8 years of fail policies, economic recession, 2 wars, bank bailouts, world & global crises and you want to vote the Republican party back in for another 4 years. What does it take for you guys to wake up! As shallow as this may sound - I would never vote for an old-ass man w/26+ yrs in DC who has never advocated for the changes he claims to want to make. What are his policy ideas for the FUTURE of America...name 1..."crickets... "

Reverend Wright had an affair with a married white woman?

Ahh Obama -- what a tangled web you've weaved!

"[McCain] will make Cheney look like Ghandi" - Pat Buchanan

Brace yourself America,

Not only will Obama be the first Black/Minority President,

He's going to convert to Islam while in office!!!

Muwahahahahahaha! (sounds of evil laughter)

He will then have a Harem consisting of several lovely white and Asian dolls to cater to his needs. OH, wait a minute, that's the Mormons...

And wait a minute part 2, the white and Asian doll thing is MY fantasy...

Never mind

"An increasingly angry black guy..." You've got to be kidding me, right? Obama is the definition of cool under pressure. Methinks somebody wants to push a scary, divisive racial theme with absolutely nothing to back it up.

And go get 'em Joe! As he said, "Don't tell me where your priorities are. Show me your budget, and I'll tell YOU where your priorities are!"

The sound of NeoCons whining is music to my ears.

Re: Abortion - ProChoice vs ProLife...
As a man I am pro choice - ProChoice doesn't mean women use abortion as contraception, but simply a choice to carry an unwanted pregnancy. Abortions won't end - even if there was a law prohibiting. (ie:see illegal drugs). Prolifers seem to advocate war & death penalty... Regardless... compromise is the best place to start.

I'm intrigued by the "failing campaign" comments about Obama. Of the polls since the RNC, one has shown McCain with a large lead, and based on the 10 or so others showing it within 1-2 points -- in the middle of McCains' bounce -- it looks like, well, McCain is bouncing post-convention.

When more attention is paid to Palin's "naked lie" about the bridge to nowhere and earmarks more generally (it's starting), the race will be back to where it was pre-convention: Obama ahead by a few points.

Failing campaign? Hardly. Unless you're talking about McCain's campaign to convince people he's anything other than a down-the-line conservative.

I will try to keep this brief:

Biden supports embryonic stem cell research, in the form of taking cells that are going to be destroyed, and using them to develop life-saving cures. When he thinks life begins is irrelevant to this discussion, as even if you accept as a matter of faith that a stem cell is alive, any laws that apply to experimentation on a human being would not apply to it, because those laws exist to prevent suffering being inflicted in the name of science, not because there is anything inherently wrong with experimentation on humans. A stem cell has no ability to experience suffering, however alive it may be, so the laws would not apply to it.

As far as Obama saying that it is above his pay grade as to when life begins, he was simply saying that only God actually knows when life begins. For someone who believes in God, I can't see how there's anything wrong with that answer.

Finally, anyone who calls themselves "pro-life" and opposes embryonic stem cell researcher is a hypocrite. Especially those who claim to be religiously motivated in their opposition. Jesus was far more interested in healing the sick than preventing abortions.

Parrothead joe "two drink minimum" biden
is the real deal. It's Miller Time.

Obama denounced Reverend Wright.

Reverend Wright is not running for office.

Reverend Wright is irrelevant.

This isn't offensive. Maybe you don't agree wiht it but the FACT is that the republicans have been cutting funding for science research for years. Thay think calculators are ran by fairies and that the dinosaurs were put here to test your faith. stupid stupid stupid. Keep after em Biden! everything is offensive to a group of people that are scarred anyway.

At least Reverend Wright had his affair with a woman.

I never seen a video of Obama in that church saying the US is "carring out Gods plan" THis women is a lunatic speaks in tounges and stuff. I mean isn't that what satan does?

Not anymore offensive and disturbing as what McCain and Palin has said and done lately.

It appears to me that the McCain camp's overly reactive response to Biden's comment suggests Biden struck a nerve here. Independent voters and moderate Republicans don't want to see another anti-stem cell, creationist yahoo in charge of Federal policy. This aspect of Palin is embarassing to McCain and is therefore aggressively shielded.

How narcissistic of McCain/Palin, acting as if Sarah Palin is the first person in history to give birth to a challenged child. Give me a break.

Biden presents facts and they argue with hurt feelings. What crybabies.

GOP needs a WHHHHAAAAAMBULANCE!

I'm amazed I am actually taking the time to enter into this sewer of moronic comments, but here goes:

The faux outrage from the McCain campaign is wearing awfully thin. If you read the entire quote, Joe Biden actually praises those who raise special needs children. Beware the parsed quote.

And he's absolutely right to call the Republican out on their hypocrisy. "Pro-life" is such a misnomer. How many "pro-lifers" are in favor of war and capital punishment. When they say "pro-life", they really mean that they get to determine which life they wish to save.

Hypocrites. I'm glad Joe called them out. He should do it more often.

Obama tries to run but he cannot seem to find a place to hide:

First, Ayers. Then, Wright. A good day for Obama NOT!

His past acquaintances just seem to rematerialized and justify those who doubts the shallow one's sincerity.

Obama: "That's not the preacher I knew and trusted and listed to for 20 years and who baptized my kids and was my best mentor."

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This country is sick.

THE SYMPTOMS: I have been on the message boards for many articles/blogs over the past few months... and I find it astounding how many times I have seen Obama referred to as a Muslim, a "monkey", and a terrorist. I've seen him described as an "abortionist" and a homosexual. He's been called "out of touch," an elitist, and a snob. He's been attacked for being thin, for eating arugula, for attending Harvard, and for drinking juice instead of beer.

THE FACTS: So-called "Democrats" are flocking to McCain because their first choice (Hillary) didn't win. McCain and Palin stand for everything HIllary was against.

THE DIAGNOSIS: Nasty case of racism.

I think Obama said it best a couple of weeks ago, "it's like these guys take pride in being ignorant"

We should not be surprised about the current polls, if we cared about ethics or policy, Bush/Cheney would have been impeached. All McCain had to do to get his bounce was pick someone who was MORE ignorant than Bush on the current state of affairs, and the right wing rejoiced and bought fake glasses and started making plans to go moose hunting. Whatever the reasons, there seem to be a lot of us who rather have a president that meets their criteria for a good "story" rather than a competent leader who actually does put our country and our people first, rather than just talk about it. After all, George Bush is just a gentlemen Texas rancher who doesn't believe in nation building, deficits, and will work to make our government work for people.

It is really quite simple, if you are happy with what is going on right now in our country, please vote for McCain / Palin - you will get a lot more of the same plus some other unwanted surprises - more denial of the truth (i.e.: lies - they are lying now do, do you think they'll stop when elected and actually have power?), a war with Iran, a further squeezed middle class, more job losses, no progress on fixing health care, further fall of the dollar, and no movement on removing our dependence on oil - foreign or domestic. God bless the two of them.

I tend to agree with Ali's diagnosis. There is an unspoken/coded racism going on here. The Palinazi Party has arrived.

Biden made an argument based on the issues, not a personal attack. I'm tired of the Republicans being so easily offended because their VP candidate is a dumb, superficial vane bimbo. If she can't stand up to Democrats, how would she stand up to foreign dictators.

Republicans always say they care but never put their money where their mouth's are. Stem cell research is something the Republicans have stood in the way for years. So what did Biden say that was untrue?

the code worder for N*!!@R is now muslim.

They'll just say but he's a muslim. we all know what you really mean

The GOP response should have been why they refute stem cell research. But instead just another attack on the words of Joe Biden. The GOP strategy is to attack but offer NO help to millions who could benefit from new research. Shame on McCain. Just another 72 year old politician with no solutions to the problems created by the Republican leadership of the last 8 years. Get out of the way, geezer.

McCain-Palin 08:
MORE OF THE SAME. ONLY WORSE.

Biden who?

Mr Irrelevant

ABC won't report on Biden's speeches unless they elicit Republican whining and outrage. Can't wait for Gibson's puffery with Palin. (kidding)

What I find interesting is that the media is all over Palin regarding her Christian faith , which amounts to religious bigotry in my opinion. (Apparently, this is the only association the media and the Dems can come up with that they are trying to use to unjustly smear Palin with). While ignoring Obama's very dubious connections to, Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Pfleger, Khalidi and others, including Dr. al-Mansour,. Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour (born Donald Warden) whose 1995 book claimed that the U.S. government was planning the genocide of black Americans. Dr. al-Mansour also has been a harsh critic of Israel and has served as a major advisor to Saudi Royal family members seeking to improve and extend their influence in the United States. And according to the Social Activism Project at the University of California at Berkeley, when he was still Donald Warden, the fellow was a mentor to Black Panthers Huey Newton and Bobby Seale. Investor's Business Daily last Friday wrote a fascinating editorial about Dr. al-Mansour's assistance to Barack Obama. It is a short piece but the news it contains is explosive and certainly deserves careful attention. But, of course, the old guard media is interested only in associations that might hurt Republicans.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=305508174916939

Biden is one of the nicest people who ever served in the Senate. His personal tragedy, the lose of his wife and child, is 20 times worse than anything John McCain ever had to endure. The sentiment is clear: stem cell research is a part of science that will lead to new discoveries for old problems. Why would John McCain try to smear those sentiments? Because he is morally bankrupt.

Oh for G's sake. It's a political campaign, not "Meet the Neighbors". Every hit gets a hit back, every opportunity gets taken advantage of. And now the new paradigm, instead of going after the opponent, claim victim status. Obama's been doing it all along (Racism! Muslim! Different! Funny Looking!Mom, he's looking at me!) both in reaction and proactively ("Now, the Rs are going to say/do something..."). So, its McCain's turn. Please don't interpret the tactic as anything other than that - it doesn't give deeper meaning, signify greater things. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

Joe

Good to see there's still a few good bigots around.

If John McCain locked himself in a cave for 15 years it would not come close to the tragedy and grief endured by Joe Biden. John McCain is hood ornament on George Bush's truck. If you got a legitmate problem with stem cell research then say it. But everytime you tell us how you are offended, it makes America want to puke. Give it up, geezer.

Mary and the libreal media BS story! Why can't republicans admit they screwed up and then come up with a plan.. NO they blame everyone else we're all WHINERS and the LIBREAL MSM is lying to everyone! WHAT A BUNCH OF BS!!! I wonder if the republicans get elected if they just take over the media as well so no one can question there athority

We can actually smell the fear coming from the Obama camp. They are swinging blindly trying to make an issue out of anything.

I agree with Steve from Danville -- Is that Danville, VA? Anyway, Biden scored one against the mesmerism of Frau Uberchristian Palin and Pops McCain.

Steve from Danville

Is Obama's personal life the featured story on the KOS today? It must be coming from some source - poping up all over the place. Proof positive that someone does the thinking for Obama's lemmings.

The problems we will face as a country, trying to unwind the tragic consequences of 8 years of failed leadership, will require the efforts of every registered voter in America. It's time to pull the plug on the GOP monster that poisons our democracy with Hate, Smear and Fear.

Didn't the GOP convention look like a klan meeting? I mean if they would have brought some sheets it would have anyway.

We can actually smell the fear coming from the Obama camp. They are swinging blindly trying to make an issue out of anything.

Posted by: Irony | Sep 9, 2008 3:50:44 PM
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I know! Actually smell it! Like it stinks, and they can smell it! Because the stench in so strong it stinks and you can actually smell it with your nose. It really stinks like a stench that smells and that you can actually smell because they can actually smell it with their noses because it actually stinks so bad that the actually smell it already. PU! It smells like poo poo or something stinky that actually smells bad

I seriously doubt that anyone nowadays, including Sarah Palin, does not support stem cell research. That was never the issue. The issue was always EMBRYONIC stem cell research, and the debate ended on that quite awhile ago with Bush's disallowing of further federally-funded embryonic stem cell research being vindicated in the most undeniable terms possible: Thanks to Bush cutting off funding for embryonic stem cell research, scientists went and figured out how to make stem cells out of adult skin cells. So Bush preserved the sanctity of human embryos and unintentionally brought about what may prove to be one of the most significant medical discoveries ever. Moral of story: when you stick with your principles, the unforeseen consequences are positive. When you think you're so wonderful, think that morality is relative, and "right" is defined by whatever's polling better, the unforeseen consequences are disastrous.

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McCain-Palin 08:
MORE OF THE SAME. ONLY WORSE.