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Obama Continues Debate in North Carolina
September 27, 2008 2:05 PM
ABC News' John Berman, Sunlen Miller and Matthew Jaffe Report: Barack Obama no longer shared the stage with John McCain, but the Illinois senator used a rally before thousands in Greensboro, N.C. to continue the argument from the first presidential debate.
"We talked about the economy for forty minutes," Obama told the crowd. "And not once did Senator McCain talk about the struggles that middle class families are facing every day right here in North Carolina and around the country."
It was a point the Obama campaign was clearly eager to make, as they released a new television commercial entitled "Zero." The ad uses debate footage while an announcer wryly states, "Number of minutes in debate: 90. Number of times John McCain mentioned the middle class: Zero."
While the majority of Friday night's debate in Oxford, Miss. focused on foreign policy, Obama's 30- minute speech in Greensboro, delivered with the help of a teleprompter, stuck to issues surrounding the economy and the financial crisis facing the country. And as much as he could, Obama tried to lay the blame at the feet of John McCain.
"Times are hard. I will not pretend that bringing about change will be easy," Obama said. "George Bush has dug us into a deep hole. John McCain was carrying the shovel."
While hitting themes he addresses regularly on the trail, Obama also dropped in repeated references to Friday's debate. Of McCain, he said, "I don't know how he stood up there trying to defend what's been taking place or trying to distance himself from what's taking place because it was just a few months ago that he bragged he had voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time."
It also seemed Obama tried to get in some licks he might have missed at the debate. "You see, I think Senator McCain just doesn't get it," he said, repeating a line he uses on the stump but neglected to mention on stage in Oxford. "[McCain] doesn't get this crisis on Wall Street, he doesn't get the fact that it hit Main Street a long time ago."
Today McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds responded to the comments Obama made in Greensboro.
"Barack Obama has a selective memory because John McCain repeatedly pointed to Senator Obama's vote in favor of higher taxes on families making just 42,000 a year, and his proposal for $860 billion in lavish new government spending which is a crushing burden on middle class families and the Main Street economy," the McCain campaign said in a statement. "If he was honest, Barack Obama knows he was unable to debate the merits of supporting higher taxes on the middle class, and bloated government spending during a looming economic crisis – it simply proved indefensible last night."
Obama also had a rare guest on the stage with him today, his running mate Joe Biden. It was the first time Obama and Delaware senator campaigned together since August 31st in Battle Creek, Mich. Biden introduced his running mate saying, "Last night, America looked at a person, the person sitting here to my left, and they just didn't see a winner last night, they saw the next commander in chief."
As Democrats have done since the Oxford duel ended, Biden said Obama had won a debate on foreign policy that was supposed to be McCain's strong-suit.
"The foreign policy, the national security policy - the focus of last night's debate - this was supposed to be John McCain's turf. And Barack Obama owned it last night," Biden said.
For his part, Obama won some laughs at the expense of his partner. He told the crowd he liked Biden's common touch, explaining, "One of the reasons I am so proud to be with Joe Biden – it's not just his fancy foreign policy expertise, its not just because he's a sharp dresser." Biden grinned like a cat while Obama added, "I noticed a lot of women have been talking about Joe lately, I noticed that. See these girls right here."
One slightly ironic moment came when Obama ribbed McCain, suggesting he is trying to co-opt the issue of change. "He's been grabbing our signs. Using our slogans. He even said the other day, the other day he said, I think, we need to turn the page." These are all lines or themes Obama uses regularly on the stump. Obama added, "Pretty soon I'm gonna have to start saying I'm a maverick! You gotta come with your own stuff!"
Of course, Obama's running mate Biden knows all too well the perils of borrowing campaign themes. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after reports surfaced that he used lines from a British politician, without attribution.
The event today was also notable for its geography. North Carolina is a state that has been solidly in the Republican column in recent presidential elections. But polls show the race is close here, and Guilford County, home to Greensboro, is one of the few reliably Democratic counties in the state. John Kerry won the county by less than 2000 votes in 2004.
Obama and Biden plan to stay together for events in Virginia later Saturday, and then at rally in Michigan on Sunday.
September 27, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (270)
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YEAH Obama you are so right McCain cares less about the middle class people
where is McCain today??
Posted by: reddog0216 | Sep 27, 2008 2:25:07 PM
The McCain/Bush presidency has 37 days left. Anybody else counting down after last night?
Posted by: ONLY 37 DAYS REMAINING | Sep 27, 2008 2:30:24 PM
you know after i heard mccain call himself maverick a few times last night
it hit me, dont you think a true maverick would never refer to themselves as maverick
i mean thats like the ultimate un maverick move, its like jesus calling himself the messiah or something, people said that of him, but he never ran around going... hey im the messiah! hey look at me im gods son beotch
a maverick is the man in black the guy who blazes his own trail, who rolls into town in some western and everyone says
oh my god its.... the maverick
but in those movies if this guy rolls into town and says Im the maverick
people go
who is this joker... hes not hte real maverick
and then they stone him
the real maverick would never call himself maverick, the real maverick has no names
the real maverick kicks a zz and takes zero names
Posted by: Bhrandon | Sep 27, 2008 2:30:33 PM
John McCain has not in my opinion communicated his economic positions well. Below is my attempt to clarify them.
McCain believes in Jeffersonian Democracy. What does that mean? Thomas Jefferson argued against Federalism, as he felt that it posed a risk and infringement to the liberty of Americans. The Federal government is a necessary evil, which should operate on the common benefit, security, and protection of Citizens, and should be watched closely and its powers should be minimized.
Science recently has determined that there is a scientific reason why this is the best possible configuration. Networks of all types, financial, government, electrical, communicative, all behave under certain laws. These laws have been described well in layman’s terms by Lazlo Barabasi in his book “Linked.” These laws argue against centralized networks as they are prone to cascade failures and that distributed adaptable networks are much more robust and capable of sustaining damage to one part of the network and reconfiguring themselves and continue to function. What this tells you is that democracy and capitalism, is inherently more stable than other types of systems of economic distribution and governance.
Capitalism has been moving towards big business, since the industrial revolution, and this has led to a centralization of Wealth which has placed our economy in the current economic crisis we face today. It is not accurate to place the blame on Wall Street, or on homeowners, for the current financial crisis. The crisis was driven by the centralized wealth and dynamics of the networked global economy.
The solution to the problem is to move toward decentralization of all critical networks such as Government and Financial.
McCain holds that we need to move from Big Business to many competing companies run on Main Street, and incentivize investment in small business over big business.
McCain also holds that regulation much like Big government needs to be circumscribed in its powers, but that it’s a necessary evil. The idea is that centralized standards, and regulation, reduce the cost of compliance and lead to greater efficiency.
McCain understands we need regulation and standards, but regulation and standards must be able to evolve and adapt, while cost of compliance must be the same for individuals as for big business on a basis that places the individual or small business with an equal footing to gig government or big business.
(In my opinion, this needs to be slanted towards small business and individuals. That it’s better to err on the side of smaller concerns.)
McCain is against Obama’s tax plan, because increasing capital gains tax on business, and investment, because it acts as a barrier to deploying monies to generate wealth formation. A simple way to understand this is as friction to the speed at which capital flows through the system. This matters to every American, not just the wealthy, as McCain critics say. This matters to every American because if assets are not deployed, and or leveraged, then entrepreneurial activities are curtailed, and with this comes a reduction in jobs, and a decrease in wealth distribution, and most importantly to wealth concentration which makes the average American a indentured servant to the concentrated wealth.
McCain understands that we need alter wealth distribution in this country such that it benefits the middle class and grows it. He also understands that in a free society you do not accomplish this by confiscating another’s wealth and redistribute it to others on the government’s whim. This was the approach of the old Soviet Union. What we need to do is provide incentives for people to place their wealth into the system so that others can become wealthy in their own right.
For those that think but I just want a job, and this does not matter to you, more business creation, leads to more jobs, and in today’s world with equity participation, greater wealth.
Posted by: Kimberly Peacock | Sep 27, 2008 2:30:43 PM
Look at these poll numbers. Gallup Obama +5 Rasmusseen Obama +6 Virginia Obama +6 Iowa Obama +8 Colorado Obama +9
New Mexico Obama +11 Missouri Obama within 1 Mevada Obama within 1 North Carolina Obama +2 Ohio Obama tied
These are Bush 2004 states. Obama landslide
Posted by: Vanessa | Sep 27, 2008 2:31:07 PM
If you truly are an undecided voter and haven't seen Bill Moyer's interview of Andrew Bacevich, you owe it to yourself and your family to see this interview, and perhaps read Bacevich's book, before you vote....
Posted by: Ahmed | Sep 27, 2008 2:31:53 PM
Nothing like some good news to get the weekend going.
YES WE CAN!!!
Obama/Biden '08
Posted by: Thank You, Vanessa | Sep 27, 2008 2:32:04 PM
Be fair, maybe McCain was just "confused" again.
Posted by: DMR | Sep 27, 2008 2:46:58 PM
Mr. Obama, one question only:
Is the "war on terror" 1) a real ongoing "emergency" requiring massive sacrifice of our national treasure and our Constitutional rights, or 2) an outrageous fraud designed to enable an American police state and empower the military-intelligence-financial complex?
The late Aaron Russo said #2:
Posted by: gamechanger | Sep 27, 2008 2:53:10 PM
How can Mccain be in touch with the middle class look at Mccains lifestyle of the rich and famous 7 HOUSES, 13 CARS 500 DOLLAR SHOES PRIVATE JET does anyone here have that lifestyle? OBAMA 1 HOUSE 1 CAR AND OBAMA DID NOT LEAVE HIS WIFE TO MARRY A RICH BEER HEIRESS, so my question is with the life style of the rich and famous HOW CAN MCCAIN RELATE OR PUT HIMSELF IN THE SHOES OF THE AVERAGE AMERICAN OR UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE STRUGGLES OF AMERICANS?
Posted by: angie | Sep 27, 2008 2:53:38 PM
@ kimberly peacock
you're perhaps right in theory kimberly but wrong in practice. mc cain is not playing out sound strategy based on network physics, he is leaping from one conveniant standpoint to the next trying to make himself look good and never consistently looking out for the wellbeing of others (ask veterans.) and this is exactly what Barabasi, author of Linked, warns against:
''A me attitude, where the company's immediate financial balance is the only factor, limits network thinking,'' Professor Barabasi says. ''Not understanding how the actions of one node affect other nodes easily cripples whole segments of the network.''
i would say Obama has exhibited substantially more "network thinking" in his world view.
Posted by: r | Sep 27, 2008 2:58:01 PM
Ok I am a resident of north carolina and I can honestly say that I do not support Osama oops I mean Obama in the least....if Obama wins this election I will seriously consider moving out of this country because you people think its bad now???? Just wait and see what happens when this nut-job gets into office....
McCain/Palin 08
Posted by: Amanda | Sep 27, 2008 3:06:16 PM
Ok I am a resident of north carolina and I can honestly say that I do not support Osama oops I mean Obama in the least....if Obama wins this election I will seriously consider moving out of this country because you people think its bad now???? Just wait and see what happens when this nut-job gets into office....
McCain/Palin 08
Posted by: Amanda | Sep 27, 2008 3:06:17 PM
WHO WON THE DEBATE?
Even though the polls gave it to Obama, I think they both did OK...
However, that's not the main issue here. This was mostly a debate on FOREIGN POLICY, McCain's strong suit, but Obama stood toe to toe with McCain and pounded him in more than a few areas, especially on the Iraq war...
Besides all that, everyone is missing a very important point here and it hasn't changed since the embarrassing CBS Palin interview day before yesterday...
You Republicans in your glee (thinking your old nasty fool won last night or at least tied) forget there is a more important debate coming next Thursday night. That is the debate between Biden and Palin...
Ooooow, how painful for you guys to think about that one, huh?
I just can't wait for that debate. After Palin's embarrassing interview with Katie Couric, that one is going to be... well just painful for you guys!
McCain will have to unlock the basement where she is at now and put PALIN on stage with Biden for 90 minutes, ouch, oooow, very painful!!!
Can you Republicans bring yourselves to say GAME OVER!!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Say hello to President Obama!!!!
Posted by: Davis | Sep 27, 2008 3:08:11 PM
McCAIN: P.O.W.
PALIN: M.I.A.
OBAMA: NEXT PRESIDENT
Posted by: Ed from MA | Sep 27, 2008 3:11:15 PM
Amanda and you think palin has her marbles?
Posted by: angie | Sep 27, 2008 3:11:52 PM
Bush, McCain can run. But they cant hide anymore.
What ever congress does to try and fix our stunning economic catastrophe needs to be done very carefully. Congress needs to take their time, and be sure of what they are doing. Whatever is done needs to be sharply focused at helping, and protecting the best interest of the ordinary Americans. In particular the vast American middle class. 700 billion dollars is a lot of the peoples money to spend to bail out a bunch of corrupt Bush loan sharks.
My fellow human beings, just as I warned you ahead of this catastrophic economic meltdown, I must now warn you that what is ahead has the potential to be even more catastrophic than what we are going through now. The worlds geopolitical landscape has been booby trapped by the Bush McCain administration and their republican allies in congress. These booby traps are poised to spring at any time.
Fortunately the Worlds Nations have been blessed with many excellent leaders (except the US) who have been careful, wise, strong, and self-restrained in dealing with the provocations, and antagonism's of the Bush, McCain administration.
Barack Obama and the democrats are your best hope now. Tell your family, friends, and everyone you know to support them as best you can, and vote for them like your life, and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. Because it does. You will not survive 4 more years of Bush McCain.
JACK SMITH - WORKING CLASS...
Posted by: jacksmith | Sep 27, 2008 3:14:38 PM
I think it's only going to get worse for McCain. This was his debate to win. Foreign policy was suppose to be his strength and Obama held his own. Obama was relax, cool and gave thoughtful answers. McCain seemed to be still stuck in the past.
And to not look at Obama the whole evening ,what contempt or arrogance. Either way it spells bad news for McCain. With the rest of the other debates focusing on the economy, I think this election is a done deal for Obama.
For McCain to have a chance to win he also needs to dump Palin. She is a disaster and her lack of knowledge is quite shocking.
For all you feminist out there, answer me one question, why did McCain pick a Kay Bailey Hutchinson. She has stature and intelligence and would garner respect, but Palin? He obviously was pandering to the religious right and the male lebedo. How brain dead can you get.
Posted by: Mike | Sep 27, 2008 3:14:48 PM
Foreign policy is supposed to be McCain's strength. Polls consistantly show that most Americans think he would be a better commander-in-chief. If Obama only did at least as well as McCain in this part of the debate it's a big win for Obama. On top of that Sarah Palin looked like a babbling idiot during the interview with Katie Couric. It's a tough sell, but we all know that Americans bought George Bush's total bunk not once, but twice!
Posted by: Loki | Sep 27, 2008 3:16:47 PM
Obama continues debate in North Carolina.....MCCAIN CONTINUES HIS JOB IN WASHINGTON DC...FINDING A SOLUTION SO THAT HE CAN APPLY THE SOLUTION AS PRESIDENT
Posted by: curious indep | Sep 27, 2008 3:17:02 PM
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