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Police Clash with Demonstrators, Make Arrests at RNC
September 04, 2008 11:17 PM
ABC News' Jennifer Duck and Lindsey Ellerson Report: Police arrested hundreds of anti-war protesters outside of the Republican convention hall Thursday night in St. Paul. Over 1,000 demonstrators marched from the State Capitol to the Xcel Energy Center, where tens of the thousands of Republican delegates and party elite gathered to hear Sen. John McCain's acceptance speech.
Police in riot gear swarmed the area outside the convention center, deploying tear gas and distraction devices known as "flash bangs" in an attempt to disperse the crowd.
Approximately three-hundred protesters were held on the bridge for nearly an hour over Interstate 94 in St. Paul. After hours of people protesting, police instructed demonstrators to file onto the bridge and then announced everyone would be arrested, refusing to allow anyone off the overpass. Law enforcement barricading the bridge fired pepper spray, instructing protesters to put their hands behind their heads.
ABC News' Jennifer Duck was trapped with the marchers on the bridge and observed many young children scared and crying. She spoke to several marchers who said they wanted to go home, but the police refused to allow any movement. Members of the media, and many trying to follow police direction were being pepper sprayed in the face.
One policeman told ABC News that a firearm was confiscated from a protester on the bridge and that people were throwing rocks.
The RNC's Joint Information Center told ABC News that 88 arrests have been made on Thursday thus far, but more than 200 demonstrators are on their way now to Ramsey County Jail to be detained.
At least some of the protesters were part of the Anti-War Committee, who organized an afternoon rally on the capitol, followed by a march to the Xcel Energy Center, where the RNC is being held. At 5pm central, the protesters' permit expired, but demonstrators refused to leave. The crowd of nearly 700 stood at a standstill with the police as they tried to march from the capitol to the Xcel Center without success. The protesters, chanting, "Let us march!" and "No blood for oil, U.S. off Iraqi soil!" were non-violent in their actions. At one point, approximately 100 people sat down in the middle of the street, in front of more than two-dozen officers on horses, making the peace sign with their hands and singing the star spangled banner.
"Protesters felt that tonight was an important night to demonstrate in St. Paul. The eyes of the world are on John McCain tonight," said Meredith Aby of the Anti-War Committee in a statement to the press. "We felt it was imperative that his message of war did not go unchallenged. The police and the city of St. Paul decided to make downtown a Republican speech zone, but our demonstration challenged their decision."
Since the Republican National Convention began, there have been several riots in St. Paul and Minneapolis, protesting the Iraq war and the Bush administration's policies. The most disruptive protest took place on Monday, when violence broke out at a rally organized by the Coalition to March on the RNC and Stop the War. It was estimated that 8,000-10,000 people were present and more than 280 demonstrators were arrested.
September 4, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (157)
Peter
while you are reading, how about going to factcheck.org and see how many lies she spewed last night
Posted by: Omentum | Sep 4, 2008 11:38:31 PM
And there you have it people.
An end to a week of the history channel.
Posted by: Omentum | Sep 4, 2008 11:40:21 PM
Arrest????? DUH
This is the party of Bush.
Posted by: Omentum | Sep 4, 2008 11:41:29 PM
McCain says he will work with Dems to solve problems yet all of his policies are Republican ideas. None are of the Dems or are shared by the Dems.
Posted by: Vanessa | Sep 4, 2008 11:45:11 PM
John McCain have been in Washington for CLOSE TO 30 years, he has been what wrong with Washinton; and now he pretty much stole obama slogan and now coining the phrase ~CHANGE~.
He is not fooling anyone , what happen in doing something before now, he has been there like i said for 30 years.
nice try .
BTW.. ZERO ISSUES DISCUSS,the ones we heard those are BUSH POLICIES RECYCLE.
Posted by: spd | Sep 4, 2008 11:55:50 PM
Go protesters....no more stupid bankrupting wars. No violence please.
Posted by: Ben Straub | Sep 4, 2008 11:56:13 PM
Peter - do you care that Gov Palin made several false statements during her speech? Do some real research.
There was on demonstrator that interrupted McCain's speech. The person appeared to be dressed like a man, but pulled off a jacket and the person appeared to be a woman. There was considerable shouting. Not sure how many people were involved.
Posted by: Julie | Sep 5, 2008 12:01:07 AM
thank god someone is opposing this NWO and fascist pigs like mccain.
go protesters!
Posted by: ryan | Sep 5, 2008 12:01:21 AM
It's about time somebody stood up. By the way, spread the word about www.slackeruprising.com. It could change the election.
Posted by: Atheist 1 | Sep 5, 2008 12:02:02 AM
Were there right wingnuts who disrupted the Democrats in Denver? And if so, did the networks put them on TV?
Posted by: Rich | Sep 5, 2008 12:03:01 AM
People would take them more seriously if they bathed once in a while.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 5, 2008 12:04:04 AM
"It's about time somebody stood up. By the way, spread the word about www.slackeruprising.com. It could change the election."
Leave. You people couldn't even run a french fryer let alone a Government.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 5, 2008 12:06:17 AM
If the police conducted themselves like this in any other country there would be howls of protest. This is the only country where this sort of blatant brutality can take place under the color of authority. It's also the only country in the world where a cop can shoot you dead just for reaching for your wallet and be back to work the next day. The police in this country are the single biggest argument for lenient gun laws and an extremely well armed populace. Self defense doesn't just include defense against criminals. These thugs might want to remember that when visiting the State of Maine.
Christopher M. Doyon
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Representative - District 55
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Posted by: Christopher Doyon | Sep 5, 2008 12:07:59 AM
This just came across the news wire...The French found out this evening that Palin was booking a flight to Europe next week and they immediately surrendered.....now that is one tough broad!!!
Posted by: gary | Sep 5, 2008 12:11:38 AM
Geesh! Most of the protesters look like they aren't even 15 years old! Can they even vote? Oh well.... it is a school night.
Posted by: JoJo | Sep 5, 2008 12:13:46 AM
"If the police conducted themselves like this in any other country there would be howls of protest."
Try living in China or Iran. You protest there and they kill you no questions asked.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 5, 2008 12:14:13 AM
"Try living in China or Iran. You protest there and they kill you no questions asked."
Correct, and then the rest of the world including us howls in protest. My point was that when WE do it here it's just another day of police brutality in America, oh well.
Christopher M. Doyon
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Representative - District 55
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Posted by: Christopher Doyon | Sep 5, 2008 12:18:11 AM
Try living in China or Iran. You protest there and they kill you no questions asked.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 5, 2008 12:14:13 AM
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WOW!! So now we using iran and China as a barometer for our freedom ;
Where and what happen to my country? does anyone know.
Posted by: united of north korea | Sep 5, 2008 12:21:48 AM
You people are so unbelievably blind. Most of the protestors at the RNC who were arrested were VIOLENT. Did you happen to see the thugs attacking the delegates? Throwing bricks through windows? They really did a wonderful job expressing themselves. Right-wings nuts? I saw a bunch of liberal looneys. Why would the liberal media, led by the disgusting K. Olbermann, not show right-wing nuts? They would revel in it. Go worship at the throne of Obama and Ayers, it will be over soon enough.
Posted by: katehill | Sep 5, 2008 12:24:11 AM
"Where and what happen to my country? does anyone know."
No fear United, we will win it back for you in November.
"WOW!! So now we using iran and China as a barometer for our freedom."
Exactly. And for the record the police in this country kill an average of 50 to 60 COMPLETELY INNOCENT people a year. Grandmothers, kids, and yes - many times just people reaching for their ID. And in almost any SANE country in the world cops would go to jail for that. Not one cop was convicted of shooting and innocent person in this country in the last five years ! Not One ! Yet they blithely gunned down a couple of hundred innocents in that time frame ??? Where else in the world can that happen and the international community just says oh well ?? Only in America folks, where if a cop even FEELS scared he can shoot you and it's legal. If he (or she) just THINKS they saw a gun, BANG your dead. And if the cops get the wrong address and kick down YOUR door instead, and you react as anyone would at your door crashing in and reach for your pistol BANG your dead. That's just flippin' lunacy man.
Christopher M. Doyon
Candidate For Maine Legislature
Representative - District 55
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www.DoyonForLegislature.info
Posted by: Christopher Doyon | Sep 5, 2008 12:33:43 AM
"WOW!! So now we using iran and China as a barometer for our freedom ;"
Did you ever hear of civil protest? Try it next time and you won't get beat down. Oh yeah, and try bathing too.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 5, 2008 12:35:23 AM
"Candidate For Maine Legislature
Representative - District 55"
You live in Maine. How many times have you been beat down up there? How many people have been killed by the police in Maine?
Posted by: Mack | Sep 5, 2008 12:37:47 AM
Most of the protesters were peaceful, and they are doing us all a favor. I would be there too if family commitments and my work were not stacked up at the moment.
Posted by: Huh | Sep 5, 2008 12:38:10 AM
"Most of the protesters were peaceful"
And the violent ones ruined it for everyone. Do you think the police really enjoyed having to use force? I'm sure they'd rather be eating donuts.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 5, 2008 12:40:32 AM
i was there on monday, but not today. there were at least 50,000 people there...probably closer to 100,000. I was there with a cameraman and we watched as a street-filled rally marched by us for 1-2 hours. MUCH MORE THAN 10000! This is what the AP says, which got the the number from the police. All media gets 99% of their news from the AP.
Posted by: aaron | Sep 5, 2008 12:41:07 AM
"You live in Maine. How many times have you been beat down up there? How many people have been killed by the police in Maine?"
Not many at all, but that's because we are EXTREMELY well armed up here and have VERY lenient gun laws. As it should be the Second Amendment protects us. How you doing with that in YOUR State ?
Christopher M. Doyon
Candidate For Maine Legislature
Representative - District 55
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www.DoyonForLegislature.info
Posted by: Christopher Doyon | Sep 5, 2008 12:42:47 AM
Mack - Actually police love using force. I have a friend in Albuquerque that is a deputy and he loves when the druggies don't stop when told because he said he gets to tackle them. He was a former linebacker at UNM so he could do some damage. Many cops are obsessed with dispensing violence themselves. The get a high. So no I don't think many of them would like to sit around eating donuts.
Posted by: Huh | Sep 5, 2008 12:43:24 AM
"Not many at all, but that's because we are EXTREMELY well armed up here and have VERY lenient gun laws. As it should be the Second Amendment protects us. How you doing with that in YOUR State ?"
So what are you protesting about? You live in a very safe part of the country.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 5, 2008 12:45:31 AM
The 60's and 70's are back? I am hoping it doesn't get that bad. Can't wait for the election to be over perhaps then things will change..
Posted by: AnnD52 | Sep 5, 2008 12:46:02 AM
Mack - People are protesting the whole idea of war without provocation. They are also protesting McCain who sang a song about bombing Iran.
Posted by: Huh | Sep 5, 2008 12:47:03 AM
AnnD52 - Guns and butter, maybe!
Posted by: Huh | Sep 5, 2008 12:48:12 AM
"Mack - Actually police love using force. I have a friend in Albuquerque that is a deputy and he loves when the druggies don't stop when told because he said he gets to tackle them."
I'm sure that there are some bad apples. I'm not sure how it is in Albuquerque, although I grew up in New Jersey and have friends that are cops. They'd much rather avoid trouble when at all possible. They have families and just want to stay safe and go home after their shift.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 5, 2008 12:49:27 AM
"So what are you protesting about? You live in a very safe part of the country."
Because unlike Gov. Palin who once advocated secession of her State from the union I understand that the Sovereign State of Maine is ALSO part of the USA, as am I. And so what happens to my countrymen happens to me.
Christopher M. Doyon
Candidate For Maine Legislature
Representative - District 55
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DOYON '08 Campaign
www.DoyonForLegislature.info
Posted by: Christopher Doyon | Sep 5, 2008 12:50:18 AM
"Mack - People are protesting the whole idea of war without provocation. They are also protesting McCain who sang a song about bombing Iran. "
There is just better ways to go about it. You're protesting violence with violence. It reminds me of the "Pro-lifers" that are willing to kill for their cause. Kind of defeats the whole purpose.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 5, 2008 12:55:12 AM
"Because unlike Gov. Palin who once advocated secession of her State from the union I understand that the Sovereign State of Maine is ALSO part of the US as am I. And so what happens to my countrymen happens to me."
I grew up in NJ with very strict gun laws and police shootings were very rare. I now live in Las Vegas, and the gun laws are lenient, but there are very many police shootings here. Not sure what the answer is.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 5, 2008 1:01:37 AM
"There is just better ways to go about it. You're protesting violence with violence. It reminds me of the "Pro-lifers" that are willing to kill for their cause. Kind of defeats the whole purpose."
Yeah well welcome to my world. Being a liberal Democrat who is pro-Second Amendment has actually been a real pain. No one likes me, not my own Party - certainly not my GOP opponent. But the fact of the matter is that sometimes Freedom and Liberty must be defended with force, even lethal force if necessary. And I would remind you that balance has more or less kept us free for over two centuries. The fact that we can even have this debate, or possibly elect a black man to the Presidency is proof of this.
Life is filled with often amazing examples of polar opposites being in balance. I guess a liberal Democrat pro-gun Jeffersonian might just be the answer. It works for my constituents, I am likely to take my District by a landslade on the 4th of November.
Christopher M. Doyon
Candidate For Maine Legislature
Representative - District 55
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Posted by: Christopher Doyon | Sep 5, 2008 1:02:56 AM
After watching this week's Republican convention, I have come to realize we live in a truly divided nation. I honestly do nott understand the Republican mindset. How can they preach America First when their delegates represented a monolithic white America? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090303962.html?hpid=artslot
How can this group pretend to represent America? It's mind boggling. The Republicans need to reassess who they are and what they are all about. They do not represent the diversity which makes this great nation the best on earth.
Posted by: clarity | Sep 5, 2008 1:05:49 AM
There are so many factual errors in this story it is ridiculous. One of the biggest is that there was never any tear gas releases, flash bangs and smoke bombs yes, tear gas no. Go to local Minnesota coverage if you want the real story.
Posted by: CLaire | Sep 5, 2008 1:06:17 AM
"I grew up in NJ with very strict gun laws and police shootings were very rare. I now live in Las Vegas, and the gun laws are lenient, but there are very many police shootings here. Not sure what the answer is."
I think you may be confusing our definition of lenient. In Vermont there are NO restrictions on carrying a concealed weapon. Want to go to the store and feel safe ? Just stuff your pistol under your windbreaker and jet. No permit, permission or anything. Now THAT is lenient. And guess what, they have almost NO gun violence at all in Vermont. Very few criminals at all actually.
By comparison in Maine we are a little stricter then Vermont, but not much. Until recently you could buy long rifles without parent permission at age 16. Even that was a bit extreme for me but you get my point. By comparison (and yes I have been in all 50 States actually) Nevada is quite strict indeed.
Finally, what sort of police shootings are we talking about ? Our police shoot plenty of folks up here, even kill a few. But guess what folks, the ones they kill SHOT FIRST. And that is my flippin' point. Gunning down un-armed and innocent civilians is one thing. But I am all for them lighting up anyone one who shoots at them first.
Christopher M. Doyon
Candidate For Maine Legislature
Representative - District 55
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Posted by: Christopher Doyon | Sep 5, 2008 1:15:19 AM
What is wrong with those whackos? They speak of peace but violently protest. No one did this at the DNC because Independants and Republicans have dignity.
Posted by: mccainpalinrealchange | Sep 5, 2008 1:16:03 AM
"What is wrong with those whackos? They speak of peace but violently protest. No one did this at the DNC because Independants and Republicans have dignity."
What violence ? Show me ONE picture of this violence of which you speak ? The only video and stills I have seen are COPS beating and gassing people. They were crossing a bridge for god sakes there were kids and reporters with them. And this is ABC so anyone see that ABC reporter get brutalized, I did - right here on this Site. Again I say show me ONE incident where this level of force was directed BY the protesters AT the cops ? Makes me wish they would get hip and order their own flash bangs and tear gas. And some of those great oaken sticks to bash them with. Make it a fair fight. Daarn that was sarcastic, sorry. But WHAT VIOLENCE did these peole do ? And show PROOF not just the cops word for it, I want video and pics. WHERE'S this violence these people are accused of that virtual MILITARY force should be deployed against them ?
Christopher M. Doyon
Candidate For Maine Legislature
Representative - District 55
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Posted by: Christopher Doyon | Sep 5, 2008 1:27:48 AM
Personally, I wish they would use napalm and flame throwers to disperse the mutant hoards of mindless liberals. Think about it, when do you EVER see Conservatives out of order protesting in the streets like a pack of two year olds??? You Don't and that is exactly why the conservatives are more intelligent and most often better looking then the hoards of mutant wall eyed liberals. Look at people like Harry Reid, or Nazi Pelosi, What's up with them??? Sickly looking mutants and it is the liberalism disease that causes them folks to look like they do...UGLY....LMAO
Posted by: Charlie | Sep 5, 2008 1:28:41 AM
Mack - Always a couple of bad apples sort of like Bush and McCain who both love to promote violence. The country is going down the tubes, and these protesters know it. By the way go and listen to some Nader or Paul speeches, and you will know why.
Posted by: Huh | Sep 5, 2008 1:29:04 AM
mccainpalinrealchange - You can't believe the violence. What about singing a song about bombing Persians, or the republican reckless use of preemptive war in Iraq that has killed hundreds of thousands of people. You republicans crack me up with your silly hypocrisy.
Posted by: Huh | Sep 5, 2008 1:31:21 AM
Republicans = Violence
At least nowadays
Posted by: Tom | Sep 5, 2008 1:33:37 AM
"when do you EVER see Conservatives out of order protesting in the streets like a pack of two year olds???"
You don't, instead the Rightwingnut Militants hole up in places like Waco, Texas and Montana, build forts - and wait for the end of the world while they pray to jesus and collect vast arsenals of weapons. Then when the FBI comes to shut down their little party they usually end it all by killing a few cops and all of themselves. Thats what the RIGHT wing militants do
Christopher M. Doyon
Candidate For Maine Legislature
Representative - District 55
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DOYON '08 Campaign
www.DoyonForLegislature.info
Posted by: Christopher Doyon | Sep 5, 2008 1:34:15 AM
The republicans did not interrupt the Democratic convention, and even changed the agenda to accomodate hurricane victims. The white/black trash dumbocrats created lots of republican convention interference to validate their selfish misguided opinions, it was a disgrace. What a bunch of disrespectful idiots. Can you imagine trashy people Bar-B-cue-ing chitlinks on the white house lawn? We can't allow low class people to lead this nation into oblivion. Vote AMERICAN, vote McCain-Palin 2008 ... bacause anything else is trashingly unamerican. Godspeed.
Posted by: Dumb de-moo-crats | Sep 5, 2008 1:37:14 AM
Bad Blogger Doyon -
Best of luck winning an election - you sound crazy.
The reality is, the media conservative or liberal doesn't always get the story right or show the whole story. Being in St. Paul for the past week - I can tell you that most protesters were not violent for the most part. Rather, they were flat out stubborn. Police monitored all protests and walks and left them alone unless they were growing hostile or breaking the law. Both the protest gone wrong today and yesterday were from protesters breaking the law and refusing to leave the Capitol once their permit had ended. At that point police told them they needed to exit since their permit had expired. This is a law. They refused to leave and ended up sitting in the middle of a very busy road still within the Capitol Complex. After over an hour police were forced to notify the crowd that if they did not exit they would be arrested. This is one example that sums up the scenarios taking place the last few days. Protesters are allowed as long as they don't break the law. The media just likes to show you the arrests taking place not situations that happened before it or the background on why they were creating hostility.
Posted by: smarter than you | Sep 5, 2008 2:23:33 AM
From 1932 to 1945 the good people of Germany, had to put up with a gangster organization known as the "GESTAPO". Transulated means "German State Police". This organization employed terrorist methods against people suspected of disloyalty to Germany..Tonight we witnessed "GESTAPO" tactics again only used against American's suspected of not being Republicans..Only in this country they are known of as "COPS".And beat up everybody and anybody not Republican, or a BUSH/McCAIN LOVER..History does repeat it self..
Posted by: P-51 jock | Sep 5, 2008 2:24:19 AM
wow P-51 jock. That is quite a nasty over exaggeration.
There is no way in hell you could really back up your assumption or provide any real truth to that statement.
Sounds like you are just a mad democratic who is looking for another reason to hate on republicans - rather than looking at what really happened at the RNC. Remember freedom of speech is different than breaking windows at Macy's and throwing bricks at buses and putting innocent riders in the hospital.
Posted by: smarter than you | Sep 5, 2008 2:28:56 AM
smarter than you....Hitler made the "LAWS" you are so proud of too..And we know what that got us..
Posted by: P-51 jock | Sep 5, 2008 2:41:48 AM
the republicans continue to divide the nation and that is why you saw the protesters at their convention. also, it is the GOP that want to take your right to privacy away, your right to an abortion, your right to privacy in your bedroom, your freedom to worship any faith or none at all, and they will also remove one of the 50 stars from our flag leaving us with only 49. kiss alaska and all her oil goodbye. palin is a traitor and so is mccain.
Posted by: sk8boardgrind | Sep 5, 2008 2:59:09 AM
It's probably a good thing that police are there to control the crowd and provide some sort of security. Could you imagine what would happen if some nut mixed in with the crowd with a hidden weapon and started shooting. A lot of people could get hurt or even killed.
Posted by: BTL musings | Sep 5, 2008 3:43:52 AM
To Chris Doyon
Finally, what sort of police shootings are we talking about ? Our police shoot plenty of folks up here, even kill a few. But guess what folks, the ones they kill SHOT FIRST. And that is my flippin' point. Gunning down un-armed and innocent civilians is one thing. But I am all for them lighting up anyone one who shoots at them first.
I am a Cop and I take serious offense to the quote I just pulled. If you think I am going to WAIT to be shot at FIRST in order to "light someone up" then you are truly a frigging idiot. There is NOTHING, and WILL BE NOTHING written EVER that says law enforcement will have to trust that the bad guy is a bad shot and let them SHOOT FIRST.
I WILL GO HOME AT THE END OF MY SHIFT EVERY NIGHT AND I WILL DO ALL I CAN TO ENSURE MY PARTNERS GO HOME AS WELL.
In regards to your "reaching for a wallet" comment..........if you are speaking vaguely and we are not picking apart a specific incident then we can talk. If I detain you and order you to show me your hands, keep them in plain sight, and so forth.................. YOU HAD BETTER LISTEN. If you do as ordered everything will be fine. We deal with the UNKNOWN on a daily basis. I don't know if you are an accountant on his way home to his family or a man who just murdered his family, neighbors, and still isn't done yet. An intelligent person would follow clear instructions to stop, raise your hands, don't move, and so on.
I don't care if you are in a hurry, feel that you are above my job and shouldnt have to deal with this and all the other excuses I have heard. Tragic accidents can and will happen. That's life. Deal with it. But if I tell you to freeze and you reach for the back of your waistband where the majority of crooks keep their guns................Say hello to Jesus for me when ya see him because you won't survive your encounter with me. All one has to do is slow their busy life down, breathe, and listen.
Posted by: Greg | Sep 5, 2008 4:06:59 AM
"Personally, I wish they would use napalm and flame throwers to disperse the mutant hoards of mindless liberals. Think about it, when do you EVER see Conservatives out of order protesting in the streets like a pack of two year olds??? You Don't and that is exactly why the conservatives are more intelligent and most often better looking then the hoards of mutant wall eyed liberals. Look at people like Harry Reid, or Nazi Pelosi, What's up with them??? Sickly looking mutants and it is the liberalism disease that causes them folks to look like they do...UGLY....LMAO"
Hey, Charlie. Conservatives don't protest because they don't think anything is wrong with our country. Why don't you go back to the suburbs and save the bold moves for the brilliant players? I'm sure you'll get that flat-screen TV you've always wanted someday and you'll never have to worry about all the bad stuff out there ever again. You can just sit at home and watch Deal Or No Deal in hi-def while the freedom you claim to cherish is eroded and the greatest country in the world becomes the biggest laughingstock. A guy like you is too important to be bothered with picking up a newspaper or doing a simple google search to fact-check his politicians. Just believe everything TV tells you and keep buying cheaply-made goods. You are on the golden road to happiness, my friend. God bless you and yours.
Posted by: dumbhipster | Sep 5, 2008 4:20:24 AM
By the way Chris, Waco is a city, Texas is a state.......and they happen to be VERY close to one another. Take a look, you'd be surprised how close together those two really are.... ;-)
You don't, instead the Rightwingnut Militants hole up in places like Waco, Texas and Montana, build forts - and wait for the end of the world while they pray to jesus and collect vast arsenals of weapons. Then when the FBI comes to shut down their little party they usually end it all by killing a few cops and all of themselves. Thats what the RIGHT wing militants do
Christopher M. Doyon
Posted by: Greg | Sep 5, 2008 4:24:54 AM
"Tragic accidents can and will happen. That's life. Deal with it. But if I tell you to freeze and you reach for the back of your waistband where the majority of crooks keep their guns................Say hello to Jesus for me when ya see him because you won't survive your encounter with me. All one has to do is slow their busy life down, breathe, and listen."
Wow. Big, tough guy.
Posted by: dumbhipster | Sep 5, 2008 4:25:23 AM
Now thats just not nice dumbhipster. I don't think I will be able to sleep tonight knowing that you can't relate to the job we do. I think I will have to put my hands up laden with copious amounts of kleenex and have a good cry.
Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted by: Greg | Sep 5, 2008 4:29:45 AM
"There are two kinds of cops: the bad ones and the ones who don't rat out the bad ones."
-- Doug Stanhope
Posted by: dumbhipster | Sep 5, 2008 4:33:21 AM
Mac,
You do not know how protesters are treated in China or Iran. You haven't been there. What are you talking about?
You don't even seem to know any international policies at all.
You just seem like a fundamentalist republican who thinks has the right to throw stones to whomever does not agree with this government procedures.
But if you are so keen into defending the Republican government, maybe is time to act like Cain, who agreed that this country has gone to hell because of the abuses committed by the Republican party in the last 8 years.
Posted by: Andy | Sep 5, 2008 4:35:29 AM
Now you are makin me laugh. That's a cute one. I'll have to remember that. I kinda like it.
Posted by: Greg | Sep 5, 2008 4:36:03 AM
Happy to help. Just don't pump me full of lead if you catch me with a dime bag. ;)
Posted by: dumbhipster | Sep 5, 2008 4:40:30 AM
Protesters 0 Police 280 and rising. Police serving and protecting the public that werent breaking the law. Hmmm ......... Im having a difficult time finding any sympathy for the protesters or fault with the police. Perhaps if the protesters had policed themselves and kept everyone "civil" the police wouldnt have had a reason to do anything except watch the parade.
Its a free country and we have the right to assemble and protest. But not the right to damage other peoples property injure others in the process.
We dont have the right to break the law.
For those who didnt do anything wrong - consider those you associate with.
This year I see a clear choice -
Someone who talks the talk or someone who walks the walk.
Actions speak louder than words.
Comparing the two only action actually accomplishes anything, and words.... promises and lies sound exactly the same when well crafted.
Posted by: Joe | Sep 5, 2008 4:41:08 AM
"Personally, I wish they would use napalm and flame throwers to disperse the mutant hoards of mindless liberals. Think about it, when do you EVER see Conservatives out of order protesting in the streets like a pack of two year olds??? You Don't and that is exactly why the conservatives are more intelligent and most often better looking then the hoards of mutant wall eyed liberals. Look at people like Harry Reid, or Nazi Pelosi, What's up with them??? Sickly looking mutants and it is the liberalism disease that causes them folks to look like they do...UGLY....LMAO"
THE PROTESTERS WERE NOT LIBERAL, THEY WERE REPUBLICANS FOR RON PAUL....LOL
Posted by: Al | Sep 5, 2008 4:45:17 AM
"Think about it, when do you EVER see Conservatives out of order protesting in the streets like a pack of two year olds??? You Don't and that is exactly why the conservatives are more intelligent and most often better looking then the hoards of mutant wall eyed liberals."
Conservatives do not protest because they love this government and the actual economical and political situation.
Conservatives love to lose their jobs, be sent to die in a war for oil, lose their homes, die without medical benefits, be taken away all their private rights, be lied, be cheated, be poorer today than 10 years ago...
There are so many reason why conservatives are joyful today, that why in the world would they protest?
Posted by: tired of reps. | Sep 5, 2008 4:52:44 AM
clarifications from a first-person view.
a small percentage of protesters belong to the "RNC Welcoming Committee", and yes, they are militant.
unfortunately, still, even a peaceful protest (thursday's anti-war march barred and unprovoked police attacks) are affected by the suspicion of "anarchists" abound.
and after chatting with the cops who arrested me (peacefully) they sympathize somewhat with the protesters.
it's a damned blue state, for god's sake.
Posted by: dknowles | Sep 5, 2008 5:10:09 AM
Why did the Iraqi's attack American troops... because they are there. Why do the police assault the protestors... Because they are there. Do you SEE the pattern yet? Besides, there have been several instances whre police dress up as protestors, turn over newpaper stands, throw things, smash windows and property and use it as an excuse to charge and arrest people, because they are there in the street using their first amendment right. (Google video "The eye of the Storm) And again, this is NOT just "liberals" in the street. In a matter of months when Obama is President god forbid, YOU will be protesting and YOU will be getting the same treatment at the hands of the militarized police. When your bank collapses, and you are lucky if you get ten cents on the dollar back if anything at all; Don't sit there and try to tell me that your a commie because you are exersing your right to protest the fact that your money was STOLEN from you from the big bankers and looters on Wall street. Nobody is going to feel sorry for you, until it happens to them. But by then you won't have a computer to type your concerns about anyway, since at that point you will have probably SOLD everything you own, just trying to get something back in order to ward off your creditors. Welcome to the new Amerika.
Posted by: argh! | Sep 5, 2008 5:29:37 AM
I believe Obama called upon Bill Ayers to get his friends on the streets.
Posted by: janephilip | Sep 5, 2008 5:56:14 AM
Mr. Obama has proposed a massive tax increase on investors, business owners, and the "wealthy." At a time when the American people rate the economy as the central issue of the campaign, a tax hike doesn''t make a lot of political sense. Voters know that a tax hike won''t help the economy.
Moreover, Mr. Obama''s tax plans would directly or indirectly harm U.S. investors by raising the capital gains and dividend taxes. More than half of U.S. households are equity owners, so Mr. Obama''s proposal risks alienating half the population.
Mr. Obama claims to offer a tax cut to moderate-income families, but a significant portion of Mr. Obama''s tax plan is a welfare giveaway costing more than $648 billion over 10 years, according to the Tax Policy Center.
Wall Street Journal
Posted by: janephilip | Sep 5, 2008 5:58:34 AM
I lived in South Korea for 8 years in both major cities..Seoul and Taegu.These folks really know how to run a great protest..They come fully prepared in the same kind of protective suits the cops have...They bring thousands of 5 gallon bottles of propane with a hose and a nozzel attached and when the going gets tough they lite off the propane cylinders like flame throwers and attack the cops..By now the cops are doing the 100 yard dash in under 5 seconds to get out of the way..They could show our folks a few things...You got to love them..They even have 100 gallon propane tanks manned by 3 guys..It is a ball to watch them..They could have even toasted many Republicans, tonight..and that would have been fun to watch.They snap like pop corn.
Posted by: P-51 jock | Sep 5, 2008 6:03:48 AM
Mack, Bathing the Republicans only makes them a shiny clean piece of filth, its useless to try.
Posted by: JJ | Sep 5, 2008 6:48:43 AM
My heart goes out to those brave men and women that stood up for peace. Stood up against a war that our troops should not be fighting. for all those who took the time to rally against the policies of the current admin. Those who were protesting without violence and still got pepper sprayed, know that your actions, as well actions against you did not go unseen. Know that you do make a difference...with deepest appreciation, Thank you
I think our troops would be happy to know of your push for peace. I don't want my son fighting a war of politics either.
Posted by: braith | Sep 5, 2008 6:54:49 AM
You can't clean a neo-con, washed sh*t is still sh*t.
Posted by: Greg | Sep 5, 2008 7:02:11 AM
Hey Charlie, Why dont we round up the infected ones and burn them at the stake? Get the hell out of my country you punk! Your kind makes me sick. You want to know whats wrong with Repugnants? They are good little nazis and tow the line like robots. Your damned right they dont go out and protest, because they believe its unpatriotic to protest, because thats what the robot main control tells them is the truth. Its jackbooted nazi police tatics that only serve to instill more retributions. People complain about Ayers and his ilk, but these police tactics are what gave rise to their beliefs. And history does tend to repeat itself. Just because someone is for peace doesnt mean they wont fight for justice. To protest, and indeed rise up against injustice and tyranny, is the ULTIMATE patriotic act. Republicans are mindless idiots and liberals are truly freedom fighters, much like our founding fathers.
Posted by: JJ | Sep 5, 2008 7:13:07 AM
The CITY and POLICE knew ALL week that this protest was going to take place. It sounds like chaos! The people following the police like they should were the ones getting pepper sprayed?? The next hosting city for the RNC will have to have a SWAT team!
Posted by: Darla | Sep 5, 2008 7:27:39 AM
Hey Coke Head, Liberals fought and died for our country too meathead! I have served as well, so whats your point? You think your more patriotic because you are a conservative? Maybe you think our founding fathers were weaklings because they were liberal? I dont shite on this country, I actually love it enough to fight to keep it from becoming a fascist police state.
Posted by: JJ | Sep 5, 2008 7:32:57 AM
Everyone should google and watch the movie America:Freedom to Fascism, then decide for themselves.



