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Are Obama's Attacks Sharp Enough?
September 12, 2008 1:30 PM
ABC News' John Berman, Sunlen Miller, and Ursula Fahy report:
The first day of the rest of the Obama campaign began in Dover, New Hampshire. After more than a week of breathing the fumes of rolling Sarah Palin media sensation, Barack Obama tried to regain control of the race, with some scripted lines and some sharper language. Still even some supporters seemed to want more.
Within minutes of taking the stage at community center, Obama lashed out at John McCain with some newly minted rhetoric. "In 53 days the name George Bush will not be on the ballot," he said as the crowd applauded, "but make no mistake Bush's policies will be on the ballot." That line, in a room full of Obama fans, drew hisses.
Obama continued, quoting from a statement McCain made at a service forum in New York last night, when the Arizona Senator said, "It's easy for me to go to Washington and, frankly, be somewhat divorced from the day-to-day challenges people have." Obama pounced on that line, "maybe from where he and Bush sit, maybe things do look fundamentally sound," he said, "maybe they are that out of touch."
Obama's demeanor was deliberate, but not exactly bursting with energy, and at times a bit forced. Obama relied from notes at a podium, looking down to read the lines, "this is our time to stand up and say enough is enough." Obama's energy also might have been hampered a bit by illness. Aides say
He is fighting a stomach bug.
Obama's poll numbers have been slipping, and some Democrats hoping for more focused responses to Republican attacks. At least one man in the Dover crowd did not appear satisfied with Obama's new rhetoric. During the question and answer session Glenn Grasso, a PHD student from Dover, NH stood up and said, "you've assured voters in NH as well as the rest of the country that you will not tolerate republican attack ads and smear campaigns which have come to really dominate politics." The man continued, "So for those of us who have given you our support and more importantly our money, when and how are you going to start fighting back?"
Obama, a bit taken aback, said "I just have a different philosophy, I am going respond with the truth." He said, "we are hitting back on the issues that matter to families," and then quoted Abraham Lincoln, "if you don't stop lying about me, I am gonna have to start telling the truth about you."
The Obama campaign made perfectly clear what there were trying to do today. In a public memo, campaign Obama campaign manager David Plouffe boldly announced a shift in campaign tactics. (As ABC's Jake Tapper points out,) this is not the first time the Obama team has done this by the way. The campaign telegraphed such shifts over the summer during the McCain campaign's Brittany Spears ads, after Obama's vacation in Hawaii, and again during the convention).
He wrote, "Today is the first day of the rest of the campaign." And Plouffe promised, again not for the first time, that the Obama campaign would start acting like this campaign is a contact sport. "We will respond with speed and ferocity to John McCain's attacks and we will take the fight to him," he promised, "but we will do it on the big issues that matter to the American people. We will not allow John McCain and his band of Karl Rove disciples to make this big election about small things."
Accordingly, the Obama campaign released two new ads today, including one that ridicules McCain, and seems at least obliquely to raise the issue of McCain's age.
"Things have changed in the last 26 years. But McCain hasn't," the ad says, "He admits he still doesn't know how to use a computer, can't send an email." That line refers to media interviews this summer where the 72 year-old Senator admitted he is far from computer savvy.
September 12, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (144)
Guess Obama decided to take the "low road" tactics.
Hypocrite and ageist.
Posted by: JA | Sep 12, 2008 1:42:54 PM
Sarah release your tax returns..Biden just released 10 years
Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2008 1:43:37 PM
Barry: why don't you start impressing us with your long list of accomplishments that merit your being even considered to be president.
Posted by: petee | Sep 12, 2008 1:46:08 PM
So much for reformers and maveriks. Mccain and Palin would release an add accusing Obama of sex on a legislature that wil protect our kid from sex predators.. Low road!!
Release your tax returns Sarah. I like to see how you expensedgetting paid with tax payers money for staying at your own house..
Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2008 1:46:36 PM
I share the same frustration as the man in the N.H. audience. I was waiting until mid-september to give to the Obama campaign, and at an amount I'd given several times before. After McCain picked Palin and started running on a "poor Sarah Palin is a victim" narrative, I decided to double it. But after seeing how McCain is being such a blatant bully, and that Obama isn't responding with nose punches... I'm not giving, and I won't until he starts punching back.
Posted by: Jill | Sep 12, 2008 1:46:55 PM
"the rolling Sarah Palin media sensation"
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Independents, moderate Republicans, Democrats, independent conservatives, and major credible media outlets like ABC, NBC, CBS cannot get a handle on "the Sarah Palin media sensation", because - to date - that is all she is. McCain operatives want to keep it that way. They know that by keeping her a media icon, a "celebrity", by keeping discussion restricted to her "image" & not to her record as a politician - McCain wins.
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Frankly, I believe the only way Sarah Palin can be brought down to earth is if concerned citizens restrict their discussion of her entirely to well-established FACTS.
To much time and energy is being wasted in a raging debate based on nothing more than right or left-wing FANTASIES of Sarah Palin. Precious little time is being spent on discussing her ACTUAL record as a politician. There is a record. the facts are out there.
That record DOES conflict with statements she has made about herself, and it also clearly contradicts what many liberals believe to be true about Sarah Palin.
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How to re-ground a discussion of Sarah Palin in reality? Some places to start:
1. http://www.factcheck.org/
A non-partisan project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania.
2. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/
A non-partisan service provided by the St. Petersburg Times & the Congressional Quarterly.
3. The Anchorage Daily News
www.adn.com
Alaska's leading daily newspaper. These guys KNOW Gov. Palin's record. The articles you'll find here are based on intimate familiarity with her entire political career.
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I personally would welcome any other suggestions - from either supporters of McCain/Palin or supporters of Obama/Biden for media outlets that can provide citizens an unvarnished, fact-based discussion of these two rival campaigns and their candidates that is GROUNDED IN REALITY and NOT FANTASY.
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 1:53:43 PM
lol mccain claimed he would run a campaign where he did attack character... guess that doesnt matter though huh JA?
no mccain can go back onhis word, but if obama responds with strong ads, then hes a jerk a liar and just a hypocrite
how pathetic the mccain camp is out of their minds, sara palin last night showed his pick was a political move to gain the sexism card to play.... she has no experience to even be taking on the number 2 spot
if something happens to mccain then we are left witha very very scary president, one who has no idea what is going on in the world or what us policies are.
mccain and palin are a very scary choice
Posted by: Bhrandon | Sep 12, 2008 1:54:49 PM
James,
I agree about McCain taking the low road. What... is he AGAINST protecting kids against sexual predators?? Sick that they would distort that. Beyond revolting.
Posted by: Jill | Sep 12, 2008 1:55:41 PM
Was Obama's Freudian slip about his Muslim faith the WRIGHT thing to say?
Posted by: dl | Sep 12, 2008 1:59:29 PM
looks like the one who invented Vista should be the CEO instead the one who can invent DOS
Posted by: dsd | Sep 12, 2008 1:59:55 PM
New poll for Washington/Oregon is coming soon. Both states will become swing state.
Obama has to fight there too
Posted by: adam | Sep 12, 2008 2:00:38 PM
Obama has to start responding to all the lies and smears. The Karl Rove Swiftboat Party is an expert in smear tactics.
Come on Obama go on the offensive!
And to all Palin supporters who took offense with Charlie Gibson's questions, they obviously didn't see the grilling Obama took back in April from Gibson. It was 100 times more harsh than the softball questions he put to Gov. Palin.
Posted by: Gus | Sep 12, 2008 2:00:42 PM
Incidentally, I think that Obama should fire his media advisors.
Jon Stewart or Steven Colbert do a far more pointed job calling out McCain on his hypocrisy, lies, and smear.
Obama - fire your media team. Your latest "attack ad" against McCain is lame, not very funny - a disappointment. You don't do SLEAZE well. Don't bother trying.
Just buy a couple of the clips the Stewart Daily Show ran during the week of the RNC and run these as your attack ads against McCain.
Both Stewart and Colbert turned out remarkably biting, funny, and spot on critiques of McCain and his campaign - OVER NIGHT.
Stewart & Colbert have been on vacation for the past week, but their bits on McCain & Palin are still the most accurate and clear-eyed look at McCain's metamorphosis into a sleaze merchant out there.
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You can find the clips on their respective websites.:-)
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 2:04:42 PM
Anyone can tell you Obama's attacks are sharp but of very low standard and he will not go anywhere with it. He is using the same formula he used during Hillary. The excitement of "Change" mantra was so overused with Hillary that the Staleness of that formula is not sticking with people. He has to become more practical and keep his feet on ground than staying as a Orator unless he wants to become Pastor.
Posted by: Tim | Sep 12, 2008 2:05:05 PM
Vote the issues folks. If you are making under 250,000 a year vote Obama, if you are luck enough to be making over 250,000 a year vote McCain. Forget the stupid partisan crap it's a joke. This election has been taken over by the MSM for ratings. The issues and facts are not there concern it's all about the money, so make this about YOUR money.
Posted by: J | Sep 12, 2008 2:06:06 PM
Real Clear Politics:
RCP National Average 44.9 47.7 McCain +2.8
Favorable Ratings +18.8 +20.8 McCain +2.0
Intrade Market Odds 46.6 53.0
McCain +6.4
Go Obama - just keep those sexist remarks coming in These numbers continue to show you sinking down the porcelain fixture.
Posted by: dl | Sep 12, 2008 2:06:16 PM
I am from a state that is fortunate enough to have a great republican governor. Our governor has guided the state from a huge deficit to a comfortable surplus, cut property taxes by 1/3, improved the infrastructure, and is fixing the school system and working toward health care for all, some decisions have been unpopular as some state employees had to actually do a days work for a days pay. Our governor runs the state like a CEO of a successful company. This is what we need in a president, a person that can run this country like a CEO of a successful company. Oh, by the way, I am not from Alaska and I don't see any such qualities in McCain or Palin. I have to give Palin one thing, she sure does know how to wag the dog. One day for the bridge to no where, then when the time was right she opposed it and kept the money. Back stabbing appears to be her strong point. For McCain he would have probably made a fair president during the civil war.
Posted by: LANNY EDWARDS | Sep 12, 2008 2:06:28 PM
LANNY EDWARDS
You seem selective with your facts even though they're not all true. Live on rumors, do you?
Posted by: dl | Sep 12, 2008 2:08:43 PM
When a mouse roars the world still hears a squeak.
Obama is a defenseless child in a world of lions.
Posted by: reason | Sep 12, 2008 2:10:27 PM
real Change Real reform.. super. Barack.. way to go.. consistently providng that you can beat anyone by taking lowest of the lowest roads.. First abused Bill Clinton of playing race card; then Gender card abuse on Hillary & now Old age card on McCain. I have been a life long democrat. You will bever get my vote this time. Now I have decided to vote for Mccain.. th epatriot.
Posted by: Ggoodman | Sep 12, 2008 2:13:29 PM
Obama/Biden must focus on the double talk and outright lies being spouted by McCain/ Palin. She lied about the eBay plane sale, about the Bridge to Nowhere, about her love for earmarks when mayor, about Troopergate; It is doubletalk to say McCain fought Republicans when he voted with Bush 93% of time on all major issues including war, taxes and healthcare. The Rove people are experts at using propaganda techniques like thr Big Lie, but Obama/Biden miust hammer home the truth: McCain is a Bush Republican: "You can't throw the bums out if you are one of the bums". Obama received the excellent advice that to win it is not whether you can take a punch that counts, it is whether or not you can give one. In the waning weeks ahead, Obama/Biden must follow three tracks: (1) Expose the McCain/Palin lies, (2)Get out the Obama/Biden policy message (3) Deliver hard direct blows at McCain/Palin as fake mavericks playing the American Idol game. In American politics, candidates to who don't fight back with iron fists lose to Swift Boaters and Willie Horton ads and Rove's specialty, The Big Lie.
Posted by: jefflz | Sep 12, 2008 2:13:56 PM
Sarah Palin: Teaching the socialists how to field dress a donkey!
Posted by: dl | Sep 12, 2008 2:18:20 PM
Obama's problems are not with his own media team (re: earlier post). The MSM is one of his problems. They have been so over the top in the tank for Obama that people do not trust them to cover Mccain/Palin fairly.
Obama and Biden both tried sexism and it backfired. Dem women I know are disgusted with the entire election...so disgusted the are crossing over to vote for a woman.
Posted by: katherine | Sep 12, 2008 2:21:51 PM
I love these McPalin supporter, Obama is a wimp if he doesn't attack back and he is hypocrite if he does. The facts are clear, McCain and Palin have lied, they will cheat and they will steal to win this election. There is one and only one reason you do that, you know you can't do it any other way. All of this crap they spew tells me that I've picked the right ticket to support. If the republicans are throwing rocks at you, you must be doing something right.
Posted by: Danny | Sep 12, 2008 2:25:10 PM
Danny
Oh Danny Boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling.
They're calling Obama back to his Chicago thugs!
Posted by: dl | Sep 12, 2008 2:34:55 PM
ETHICAL QUESTIONS: Bloomberg: “Palin's office approved a state job for a friend and campaign aide with whom she shared a land investment, financial records and interviews over the past two weeks show. She hired a former lobbyist for a pipeline company to help oversee a multibillion-dollar deal with that same company. She named a police chief accused of harassment to head the state police. And she sent campaign e-mails on her city hall account while serving as mayor of Wasilla -- conduct for which she later turned in an oil commissioner on ethics charges.
“These incidents raise ‘some serious questions about her judgment and serious questions about her standards of ethics in public service,'’ said James Thurber, director of American University's Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies in Washington. Suggesting a real estate investment partner for a job ‘may be acceptable in Alaska; it would not be acceptable in Washington, D.C., a place whose norms she wants to
Posted by: truth | Sep 12, 2008 2:36:16 PM
Palin - America's woman. She's been there done that and most American woman recognize that fact.
Still, there are some ugly women and women who can't make it so they align themselves to the party of victims -- standing proudly next to PITA, the greenies and those who claim their grandfathers voted for FDR.
Posted by: dl | Sep 12, 2008 2:41:39 PM
Posted by: katherine | Sep 12, 2008 2:21:51 PM
Sure, the so-called MSM has been "kind" to Barack Obama.
What you seem to forget that the MSM has been equally kind of McCain.
McCain himself said of the "liberal media"
(I paraphrase)
"The Media? They are my base."
As to Sarah Palin? Most of the discussion in the MSM seems to have been restricted to discussion the over-heated public reaction to her selection as McCain's VP.
Republicans - who know nothing about her record - are falling over backwards singing her praises.
Democrats - who know a little more, but still little about her actual record, distort that record, and otherwise exaggerate her weaknesses and shortcomings.
What we, the public, is left to discuss is the inflated hype.
We are NOT discussing Sarah Palin's actual record, we are not discussing Sen. Obama's actual record or policies, we are NOT discussing John McCain's policies.
We're running around like chickens with our heads cut off talking about lipstick on pigs, is Obama a secret Muslim, the number of planes McCain crashed (it was 3 not five, and none of them where his fault), McCain's P.O.W. record, whether Sarah Palin wants to force the nation to teach creation in public schools (she does not), whether Sarah Palin thinks that the war in Iraq is God's will (she never said so, despite Gibson's quote), and now we are being asked to care whether or not John McCain knows how to use eMail?
I could care less.
and on, and on....
We, the public are being played for fools by both campaigns, and all the media does is report THE HYPE, the rival ads, the fabrications, misstatements, and other nonsense.
Obama was to gentle when he said this garbage is catnip to the press, its not catnip, its CRACK! And we, the public are being asked to play along.
Can we return the discussion to the real world...please?
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 2:44:02 PM
Palin is not america's woman. She's conservative's woman.
Posted by: ? | Sep 12, 2008 2:47:50 PM
I am amazed that a simple phrase like "Lipstick on a Pig" made by Barack Obama has been take so far out of context and twisted to sound like he was making reference to Sarah Palin.
In June 1998 while speaking at a republican dinner John McCain made the following remarks:
Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.
This was not a lipstick remark taken out of context. On 10/11/2007 John McCain used "Lipstick on a pig" in a direct reference to Hillary Clinton and has done so on two other documented occasions.
Do we really want a person of such despicable character as president??
Posted by: LANNY EDWARDS | Sep 12, 2008 2:49:22 PM
LANNY EDWARDS: Sexist Pig!
Posted by: dl | Sep 12, 2008 2:51:36 PM
Unfortunately negative ads do work. Obama has been trying to stay above the fray and concentrate on the issues. Taking the high, ethical and truthful road. Given the onslaught of negative smear ads launched by the McCain campaign however, Obama is going to have to start fighting back.
Posted by: Hedley Lamar | Sep 12, 2008 2:52:42 PM
Should he say that McCain called his wife a c*nt
or maybe say he fathered a black child.
what about the keating 5
oh yeah how about voting against MLK Day
no low road for us.
we will leave that to mccain (wink)
Posted by: Omentum | Sep 12, 2008 2:54:53 PM
Hedley Lamar
Obama appears above it all but he sends his underlings and bloggers out to spew hate, lies and innuendos. He's a monster. He's not what he says he is. He's a terrorist who wants to destroy America.
Posted by: rodney | Sep 12, 2008 2:55:23 PM
The lipstick on a pig fiasco is proof that the McCain campaign will distort anything they can to make a fake controversy. If you watched the entire 25 minute speech by Obama, you clearly understand that he was talking about policy, not Palin. In NO WAY did he call Palin a pig, and McCain knows damn well he didn't. Come to think of it, McCain and Palin do kind of remind me of Kermit and Miss Piggy!
Posted by: Hedley Lamar | Sep 12, 2008 2:55:38 PM
LOL, Rodney. How is life in La La Land?
Posted by: Hedley Lamar | Sep 12, 2008 2:56:36 PM
Obama’s campaign claimed the reason MO wasn’t at the 9/11 ceremony yesterday was that she was back in Chicago for her children’s FIRST WEEK of school. Yet another LIE. On Sep. 10th, she spent the day speaking at a roundtable in Fishers, Indiana. And on the evening of Sept 10th she was speaking at the Baptist Convention in Cincinnati. Her children’s FIRST WEEK of school didn’t stop her from attending these 2 events!! Clearly, she hates America.
Posted by: HP Boston | Sep 12, 2008 2:57:42 PM
Headley Lamar
you beat me to it. you are reading my mind
rodney is stuck on stupid.
Posted by: Omentum | Sep 12, 2008 2:58:22 PM
What happened to McCain not wanting this to be a negative campaign. He knows he can't win on the issues so he sold his soul to the devil and allowed the negative and false attacks. If people aren't focused on the issues that's good news for McCain.
Posted by: d | Sep 12, 2008 2:59:33 PM
Obama is goint to get tough? Sharper? "..We Will Respond With Speed And Ferocity" - this is so funny. How is O'bummer going to get tough and say I will raise you raxes and you will be enthusiastic about it! I hope I don't miss this. What time? What channel will Obama be on? I hope its on you-tube.
BTW, its official, Obama is the real bridge to nowhere!
Posted by: Norman | Sep 12, 2008 3:00:10 PM
LOL, right Omentum. Anyone can make stuff up. I could start a rumor that McCain is a "sleeper" agent of the Communists or something. Brainwashed all those years ago by the North Vietnamese. Programmed like the Manchurian Candidate to, decades later, become President so our enemies can control the White House!
Posted by: Hedley Lamar | Sep 12, 2008 3:01:36 PM
Posted by: Hedley Lamar | Sep 12, 2008 2:52:42 PM
Unfortunately negative ads do work. Obama has been trying to stay above the fray and concentrate on the issues....
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True. Negative ads do work.
But if you are going to take that route, then you should do all in.
Obama's most recent attack on McCain was weak, and not very funny.
He doesn't have to take the low road like McCain, he doesn't have to smear McCain. I can think of a couple of negative ads off the top of my head that would be fact-based, accurate, paint a true, but negative picture of Palin and McCain.
AD #1:
Split-screen of McCain over the past 8-years saying one thing, which would be contradicted in the other screen by what McCain is currently saying.
AD #2: McCain's honor?
Ad that details the various angry, insulting, vicious remarks that McCain has made against political opponents both Democratic and Republican
AD #3:
AD selecting quotes from Palin's stump speeches that than gives the lie to her various claims about having said "thanks, but no thanks to the bridge to nowhere", opposition to raising taxes, opposition to earmarks (27 Million for Wasilla...etc).
AD #4:
McCain saying Hillary's health care proposals was like putting lipstick on a pig.
And on, and on...They are easy to think up. I don't know why his media advisors are dropping the ball on this.
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 3:02:12 PM
Norman, you must make more than $250,000 per year because those are the people that would get a tax increase. Me, I expect a tax break given my income
Posted by: Hedley Lamar | Sep 12, 2008 3:02:57 PM
Man, something is wrong with rodney, didn't know they allowed computer access in mental institutions.
Posted by: LANNY EDWARDS | Sep 12, 2008 3:02:58 PM
My fellow Democrats: Do NOT blame me for this debacle. I voted for Hillary.
Hillary...you know, the one who could have won this thing.
Posted by: ch | Sep 12, 2008 3:04:55 PM
Yes Hedly, you got it. Obama wants to demonize success and award lazy people. Obama is confused!!!
Posted by: Norman | Sep 12, 2008 3:06:00 PM
ch
How could we blame you for anything. its not your fault
you were dropped on your head as baby.
the fact that you can type with brain damage is inspiring.
ch
take a bow
(clapping)
Posted by: Omentum | Sep 12, 2008 3:11:59 PM
Good news on the western front!
"Democratic jitters about the US presidential race have spread to Capitol Hill, where some members of Congress are worried that Barack Obama’s faltering campaign could hurt their chances of re-election." - Financial Times, 12 Sep 2008
Posted by: Norman | Sep 12, 2008 3:12:17 PM
BTW, its official, Obama is the real bridge to nowhere!
Posted by: Norman | Sep 12, 2008 3:00:10 PM
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So, you're saying Gov. Sarah Palin supports Barack Obama for President.
'Cause we all know that she in fact supported "the Bridge to Nowhere".
That she is telling a naked lie when she claims she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the earmarks.
She NEVER DID.
She said Thanks...I'll take the money and run.
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 3:13:05 PM
ch, heed your candidate's words at the DNC:
"No way, not ever, no McCain"
Sen. Hillary Clinton
Posted by: Hedley Lamar | Sep 12, 2008 3:16:09 PM
Yes Hedly, you got it. Obama wants to demonize success and award lazy people. Obama is confused!!!
Posted by: Norman | Sep 12, 2008 3:06:00 PM
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NO. Obama loves success, he's been quite successful himself, and certainly had and will make more than 250,000 a year between his royalties as author, and his wife's salary as lawyer.
Unlike Republicans, however, Obama is actual
1. fiscally responsible
2. actually understands ordinary people, and does NOT want to burden them with extra taxes.
Obama wants to pay down the deficit, put government finances back on sane footing, reduce financail pressures on middle class Americans (anyone earning less than 250,000 - sounds middle-class to me).
The money to pay down Pres. Bush's enormous debt MUST come from somewhere. Why not from people who can afford it?
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 3:18:54 PM
Hey Niccolo,
"After skewering Sarah Palin over the Alaskan 'Bridge to Nowhere' claiming she lied about shutting down the project, a matter which which even Alaskan Democrats repudiated, it now turns out Obama and Biden voted for it twice, even over Katrina funding." - Digital Journal 8 Sep 2008
More reading: Bill: H R 3058
Posted by: Norman | Sep 12, 2008 3:19:43 PM
Obama needs to drive home the poinyt thsat Sarah Palin is scary. After her comments about the Iraq War being the work of God, it is further proof that this woman is a liar. More than that, she is a know-nothing who needs a lot more prepping before she can be let loose on her own. Apparently she is like George W. Bush who takes his orders directly from God. Scary Sarah is truly unprepared and unqualified. She all set to start WWIII - if God tells her its the right thing to do. McCain has put at risk the long term stability of this country by bringing this wingnut into the election. He has made a mockery of the electoral process. Palin must be rejected for the sake of future generations and for the entire world. Shoot First is not an acceptable policy in a nuclear world. She is another Goldwater.
Posted by: jefflz | Sep 12, 2008 3:20:35 PM
Hey Niccolo,
Obama wants to base our economy on a failed Marxist idiology.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - Karl Marx
And we know how well that when for the old commie countries!
Posted by: Norman | Sep 12, 2008 3:23:54 PM
Posted by: Norman | Sep 12, 2008 3:19:43 PM
Wake up NORM.
The point isn't who supported it, who didn't support it.
The point is WHO IS LYING.
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 3:24:55 PM
SARAH PALIN’S OWN WORDS: As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?
Posted by: God Particle | Sep 12, 2008 3:28:09 PM
McCain’s Own Words:
“I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.”
Posted by: God Particle | Sep 12, 2008 3:28:38 PM
If this women seems informed and intelligent, blame your school.
VOTING MANIPULATION
State Republicans, though, have a plan to give the McCain campaign an edge: suppress the vote.
The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP's effort to challenge some voters on Election Day. "We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren't voting from those addresses," party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week.
State election rules allow parties to assign "election challengers" to polls to monitor the election. In addition to observing the poll workers, these volunteers can challenge the eligibility of any voter provided they "have a good reason to believe" that the person is not eligible to vote. One allowable reason is that the person is not a "true resident of the city or township."
The Michigan Republicans' planned use of foreclosure lists is apparently an attempt to challenge ineligible voters as not being "true residents."
The scheme would, of course, disproportionately affect African-American families in the area, who are more likely to vote Democratic, and more likely to be in foreclosure as a result of sub-prime loans.
This is just part of a "comprehensive voter-challenge campaign" Michigan Republicans are launching this year, which will coordinate with the regional McCain campaign to train volunteers in challenging those who wish to vote on Election Day. (Whether the foreclosure-driven scheme will be implemented statewide is unclear.)
Asked about the GOP's efforts, Carabelli said, "I would rather not tell you all the things we are doing."
Posted by: basementfrog | Sep 12, 2008 3:29:54 PM
Wake up Norm:
Obama wants to base our economy on sound fiscal policy, i.e. "pay as you go".
Not the "pie-in-the-sky" "have-your-cake and-eat-it-too" financial policy of Republicans.
Here's the Bush/McCain financial policy
Unrestrained spending, cut taxes, borrow from China to pay your bills, put the country's economy in hoc to foreign bankers, and "sovereign funds", out-source American jobs, encourage the wealthy to avoid taxes by opening investment accounts in Bermuda, encourage American Corporations to do the same by incorporating in Bermuda,
keep Health Care wholly privatized - thereby burdening American automobile companies with paying their employees health insurance costs (a cost foreign car companies do not have to carry, making them more competitive), I could go on, and on...
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 3:30:43 PM
McSame voted with Bush 91% of the Time... NO CHANGE THERE!
McSame employs 134 Lobyests on his campaing.... NO CHANGE THERE!
McSame has the soon to be indicted Carl Rove working for him .... NO CHANGE THERE!
Posted by: God Particle | Sep 12, 2008 3:31:14 PM
Hey niccolo
"pay as you go". ?? Lazy people will not be paying taxes but they get a rebate? Where does the rebate come from?
It comes from those evil hard workers.
I repeat...
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - Karl Marx
Posted by: Norman | Sep 12, 2008 3:35:51 PM
Posted by: God Particle | Sep 12, 2008 3:32:12 PM
Hey "God's Particle", nice to see you on the board.:-)
As I'm sure you well know, debating McCain/Palin supporters is like talking politics with lunatics who've escaped from an insane asylum.
Nice to find someone in the blog-o-sphere whose thinking is grounded in reality.:-)
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 3:39:22 PM
Yes ... the smell of all those whacked out left wing nutballs defecating in their drawers is PRICELESS dontcha think.
Posted by: Iben Hakenluggis | Sep 12, 2008 3:41:29 PM
Just doing my part to combat the lies and hypocrisy spewed by the GOPers
Posted by: God Particle | Sep 12, 2008 3:43:33 PM
GOP Rebates came from China... Hush money to buy the voters
Posted by: God Particle | Sep 12, 2008 3:46:10 PM
I repeat...
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - Karl Marx
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Indeed, your repeat yourself, though you have yet to make an argument to support this claim.
As a cowboy once said, and he could have had you in mind...
"You Sir, never miss a good chance to shut up."
Finally, and for good measure, here's why i think McCain/Palin are in fact genuinely lunatics.
1. McCain voted more than 90% of the time in support of Bush's policies
2. McCain has not offered ANY concrete proposals indicating how he might do things differently from Bush.
ergo...
McCain, at least now, intends to pretty much continue Bush's policies, despite his assertions to the contrary.
Finally,
"A sign of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome"
McCain and his supporters intend to keep "doing the same thing" that Bush has been doing, yet they expect a "different outcome".
They are insane.
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Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 3:49:47 PM
There were more Republican Officials indicted under bush than any other administration by over 10 times.... Hypocracy and corruption run wild.
Posted by: God Particle | Sep 12, 2008 3:55:56 PM
The biggest science experiment in human histoy, The Hadron Collider experiment was almost blocked by a scared, vocal minority of Right Wing Religious Cooks convinced that turning on the LHC would spell doom for the earth. Yet some simple research and background in fairly basic science should have been enough to allay the fears generated by the LHC project.
Perhaps the Right wingers attack on science is having an affect in that our students lag all other first world nations in science education. And now we have a VP candidate who actually supports the nonsense of Creationism. If you believe in creationism then you would have to reject all of Physics, Biology, Geology, Astronomy, Archeology, Mathematics and on and on.
Palin is a member of the
“Flat Earth Society”
Obama Biden ‘08
Posted by: God Particle | Sep 12, 2008 3:56:54 PM
I am pissed off with that damn Hadron Collider experiment. The experiment obviously failed - No alternate universe created for liberals, they are still here.
Posted by: Norman | Sep 12, 2008 4:02:37 PM
"A sign of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome"
McCain and his supporters intend to keep "doing the same thing" that Bush has been doing.
To quote Sen. Barack Obama McCain/Palin promise "the same fiscal policy, the same foreign policy, the same health care policy, the same energy policy"...yet they expect a "different outcome".
They are insane.
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 4:09:05 PM
New Question.
What's cuter a "pig" or a "pitbull"?
I think a pig is a lot cuter that a pitbull. When I think of pigs, I think of "Wilbur" from "Charlotte's Web", or of "Babe" from that movie.
A pitbull is the ugliest, meanest dog around.
Palin caller herself a pitbull with lipstick.
Now, whatever you think of her politics, she's a lot prettier than a pit-bull!
Obama was paying her a complement.:-)
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | Sep 12, 2008 4:13:44 PM
The more she talks the Uglier Palin becomes as far as I'm concerned
Posted by: God Particle | Sep 12, 2008 4:15:23 PM
When is Biden going to release his resignation letter.
Babycakes has been begging for Hillary to please be VP.
He and Bill started the vetting process...they worked it out.
I hope Hillary says no!
Posted by: HP Boston | Sep 12, 2008 4:18:01 PM
When is Biden going to release his resignation letter.
Babycakes has been begging for Hillary to please be VP.
He and Bill started the vetting process...they worked it out.
I hope Hillary says no!
Posted by: HP Boston | Sep 12, 2008 4:18:04 PM
Oh god why would Hillary even talk to Obuma..she must not take the vp slot.
The word is Michelle is pissed that they are even going there...she hates Hillary. She did not even show at the 9/11 service. A Storm is a brewing and it ain't IKE.
So Biden is going to fold, I am stunned.
Posted by: HP Boston | Sep 12, 2008 4:24:09 PM
Hillary is cackling her ar$e off at all of this!
Posted by: Norman | Sep 12, 2008 4:35:14 PM
“Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.”
Sex ed, no?
Posted by: FlaLady | Sep 12, 2008 4:47:44 PM
And the Obama bigots continue their mud slinging and guilt by association in a desperate attempt to deflect the fact that the shallow one is slowly slipping out of sight. And now, perhaps taking a few democratic obstructionists with him.
Chortle chortle.
Posted by: dl | Sep 12, 2008 4:52:08 PM
And the Obama bigots continue their mud slinging and guilt by association in a desperate attempt to deflect the fact that the shallow one is slowly slipping out of sight. And now, perhaps taking a few democratic obstructionists with him.
Chortle chortle.
Posted by: dl | Sep 12, 2008 4:53:02 PM
“Today, McCain-Palin 2008 released its latest television ad, entitled “Disrespectful.” The ad highlights the Obama campaign’s desperate efforts to attack and smear Governor Sarah Palin. Yet, despite all their tactics, Governor Palin is demonstrating time and again that she will be the strong vice president our country needs. The ad will air in key states.” - from McCain Press Release



