I haven't this much about plumbers in political discussion since Watergate. It might be apt since the policies of Bush and McCain have sent the economy down the toilet.

Mccain needed a game-changer and he didn't get one. .The American public has been watching him closely these past several months and mainly seem to have figured out that he will literally do or say anything, whether or not he believes it, to get elected. He already proved that he puts country SECOND with his choice of Palin, whom HE can't even convincingly say is ready to be president. He is 72 years old, with a health history of cancer (including melanoma) and doesn't mind that Palin is unable to answer questions without a script--and has radical, radical religious views on religion and abortion.

Joe the plumber, Bob the builder, Jill the nurse will end up paying more taxes whereas Obama the politician, Osama the killer, Ayers the "professor" and Hussein the terrorist will have a free reign over the country

Joe the Plumber (and surely the story his story tells -- he’s already been invited to a McCain rally, the plumber himself told Diane Sawyer Thursday morning)

1.)IN REALITY HOW MANY AVERAGE AMERICANS ARE LOOKING TO BUMP INTO THAT $250K LIMIT? LIKELY LESS THAN 90% SO HE DOESN'T REPRESENT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN.

2.) WE NEED TO PAY OUR BILLS PURE AND SIMPLE. IT CAN'T COME FROM CUTS--AUTISM IS AN EXAMPLE, CUT THAT DOWN OR OUT?

3.) ANYTHING THAT HELPS THE MIDDLE AND LOWER INCOME LEVELS <$90K IS SOCIALISM AND ANYTHING THAT HELPS CORPORATIONS AND THOSE ABOVE $250K IS AN "INCENTIVE"--WHAT A CROCK.

McCain is too old and bitter; Palin is a rude idiot. Obama is this country's only chance.

I don't make a 1/4 million per year.

Let Joe Plumber work on McCain's 13 house.

Obama just won a second house. I voted early.

Joe the plumber isnt even registered to vote and it's late to register there now.

Given that an his snark about Obama being like Sammy Davis Jr, I dont think he's McCain's best spokesman.

Bob the Builder would be ashamed.

Hey Obama, facts are facts and records are records. Remember it, you Socialist Liar.

MCCAIN: Well, again, while you were on the board of the Woods Foundation, you and Mr. Ayers, together, you sent $230,000 to ACORN. So — and you launched your political campaign in Mr. Ayers’ living room.

OBAMA: That’s absolutely not true.

MCCAIN: And the facts are facts and records are records.

OBAMA: And that’s not the facts.

Unfortunately for Obama, those are the FACTS, both about Ayers and ACORN. Obama paid ACORN over $800,000 this summer for GOTV efforts, which Obama now denies, although he did finally admit that he represented ACORN as an attorney in a lending-practices case. Obama did launch his career at a party hosted by Ayers, which is such a matter of public record that I’m frankly surprised he bothered to deny it.

The analysts are being extremely kind to McCain, who once again looked whiny, desperate, and un-presidential. Obama, on the other hand, gave the impression of being a strong, composed leader who is in touch with the American people.

Obama's next big lie came during the debate on abortion. McCain pointed out Obama’s radical positions on the issue, including his repeated opposition to the Illinois version of the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act. Obama responded with a series of lies:

“There was a bill that was put forward before the Illinois Senate that said you have to provide lifesaving treatment and that would have helped to undermine Roe v. Wade. The fact is that there was already a law on the books in Illinois that required providing lifesaving treatment, which is why not only myself but pro-choice Republicans and Democrats voted against it.”

FALSE. During that period, the Illinois Attorney General reported that the practice of abandoning infants born alive during late-term abortions was NOT COVERED by the law. Jill Stanek and others testified to the practice, and the Illinois Senate heard testimony that suggested that as many as 20% of all late-term abortions resulted in a live birth. Obama LIED about the circumstances of the bill; the reason it was being proposed was because existing law was ineffective at protecting infants born alive.

“And the Illinois Medical Society, the organization of doctors in Illinois, voted against it. Their Hippocratic Oath would have required them to provide care, and there was already a law in the books.”

FALSE. There wasn’t a law on the books, and who would be surprised that the people performing the abortions and leaving the children to die WOULD NOT want more oversight to prevent that practice?

No way McCain was good enough
through out all 3 debates.
It is so sad through the
whole campaign, watching McCain going from from the "Super Hero" to "Super
Zero".

Why doesn't the press ever comment on McCain's nasty facial expressions, rolling eyes, sneers, lizard tongue, rapidly blinking eyes? He looked like a mean, nasty old man. And with his campaign so hateful on the road (especially Palin), I wouldn't put it past him to have "Joe the Plumber" as a plant in the crowd. Then we have that snide comment about "life of the mother is just a tactic". Talk about a woman hater! McCain needs to retire - erratic IS the term that describes him best. As for Palin. . .she has had her 15 minutes of fame. Send her back to Alaska.

look at dailykos.com for what may be interesting data about Joseph Wurzelbacher and his potential Republican ties.

Not just an average Joe . .. .

I don't give a crap who he knows and that should have nothing to do with this electin.Mc Cain was angry and it showed he smirked like Bush, went on to tell us the same ole crap about himself not what he can do but how good he is,He lied about Biden and he is MORE qualified to run this country then Palin Heaven help us .....Who hired Joe to do this in the first place ,,,kinnda like you have been set up .Mc Cain and Palin can go find a day job.

Uhbama was lost withot his teleprompter.

We don't care about Joe the damn plumber.
McCain has attacks and no plan and totally lost me with "Palin the unaware"

But honestly the best and most truthful thing that I've heard about this election is this

"John McCain looks as if he's about to drop dead any day. Do we really want watching Russia from Alaska {a island in the state she governs and she's never been there}, abuse of power to fire whomever her husband is mad at, irresponsibility as a parent by not teaching her daughter to use birth control, making the little boy skip school only to work in an oil field, on and on and on. Who needs this dyfunction in Washington and what does it really say about John McCain & his lack of judgment. The only people who like Sarah Palin is the conservatives (and not even all of them like her) who are blind to the fact she knows nothing. Simply she knows nothing. Alaska actually should feel ashamed letting a woman like this run their state. Glad we have Tim Kaine working for VA!!

Posted by: VA is blue | Oct 16, 2008 8:57:58 AM

This may come to bite McCain in the butt as Joe the plumber may be related to one of McCain's Keating 5 buddies [see bottom of post]

At the least this may show that Joe is not really a plumber but comes from more money than an average Joe.

--Manta.com lists two businesses owned by a Joseph Wurzelbacher of Cincinnati, Ohio: a construction firm started in 1974 and JCC Investments started in 2001, both at the same address.

--Record of Proceedings (PDF!), Special Meeting on a zoning request from Rumpke Sanitary Landfill, October 2, 2006, Colerain Township (?), north Cincinnati: "Joe Wurzelbacher of [ADDRESS REMOVED BY MR. C] is not an employee nor does he do business with them. He owns 118 acres within 2 miles of the Rumpke property. He has lived here for 70 years and not planning to leave. He urges the Board to approve."

--There is another Wurzelbacher, Richard R., who works in plumbing and septic systems just a couple miles down the road from the above Wurzelbachers.

--Search "Wurzelbacher" and "Ohio" at OpenSecrets.org, and you'll find $101,650 of contributions from Dennis and Dorothy of Cincinnati, R. and/or R.M. of Milford, Dr. Richard of Cincinnati, Robert and/or Robert M. (and Mrs. Robert M.) of Cincinnati and/or Milford, R.W. of Milford... and every penny for Republicans (though not a one for McCain yet!).

--And now for a journey into the Twilight Zone: On May 16, 1992, Charles H. Keating Jr.'s son-in-law and former senior vice-president of American Continental Corporation of Phoenix, pled guilty to "three Federal fraud counts in connection with the collapse of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Assocation." That son-in-law's name? Robert M. Wurzelbacher, Jr.

[You can google this to find original source]

What I wanted McCain to ask Obama is simply this, who gave Joe the money? How did he get in a position to buy the business? Did the government give it to him? Of course the answer is NO. Part of the "American Dream" is working for it. A hand out does not spread the wealth from the upper to the lower classes, it spreads the despair from the bottom up. Barak's tax cut idea is, in this case, just another term for welfare.
As for the comment above regarding McCains facial expressions, just a question, did you see Obama's face, lauging at McCain's comments, etc?

gg