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Florida and the E-Word

January 11, 2008 4:56 PM

Fla_seal_080111_main The Florida Department of Education included the word "evolution" in its proposed new standards for science education, and started brushfires around the state.  The school board of Taylor County, for example, on the Gulf Coast, replied with this resolution: (The full minutes are HERE; see p. 7)

"Whereas, the Florida Department of Education has drafted and is now proposing new Sunshine State Standards for Science, the Taylor County School Board opposes the implementation of the new standards as currently presented.

"Whereas, the new Sunshine State Standards for Science no longer present evolution as theory but as “the fundamental concept underlying all of biology and is supported in multiple forms of scientific evidence,” we are requesting that the State Board of Education direct the Florida Department of Education to revise/edit the new Sunshine State Standards for Science so that evolution is presented as one of several theories as to how the universe was formed."

"'One of several theories as to how the universe was formed?'" asks Daily Kos today. "Good grief, could they be any more blatant in their scientific ignorance? Evolutionary biology examines how living things change over time, regardless of how the universe (Or the earth) ‘formed.’ Evo is about as relevant to the origin of the universe as geology."

Florida Citizens for Science lists about a dozen counties that have objected in one way or another to the teaching of evolution without the teaching of competing ideas.

The arguments have been plenty.  The Florida School Board votes on the issue Feb. 19. 

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Ned, do you really want to start this again? LOL Seriously, it will be interesting to find out who is behind this new campaign to manufacture "local" school board resolutions.

Posted by: jock59801 | Jan 11, 2008 5:27:55 PM

This argument must be laid to rest along with all other forms of religious intervention in the education of children.

There is nothing wrong with being religious; I just don't want any religious zealot who incapable of evaluating evidence relying on divine intervention for things they cannot understand.

The theory of evolution is just that - a theory but the preponderance of evidence suggests that it is true. There is no rational basis for creationism - it requires faith or in other words; "a belief in the supernatural".

People who would argue this point should really consider Russell's Teapot conjecture. That may require more mental maturity than many in the creationist wing can handle though.

Posted by: Andy Clark | Jan 11, 2008 5:35:17 PM

I don't believe in magic.

Posted by: yehork | Jan 11, 2008 5:38:22 PM

Florida is the 'new' Kansas.

Posted by: [some monkey] | Jan 11, 2008 5:38:45 PM

Good article Ned but Ih hanit gonna touch it.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 11, 2008 5:47:08 PM

jock59801
Go back and read the posts that followed yours over the last few days and I think you will know.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 11, 2008 5:57:46 PM

The responsibility of educating our children has been given to us...the parents ..by God..The parents and local schools should make these decisions....not state or Fed Government...thats why I am for Ron Paul.....

Posted by: arthall33 | Jan 11, 2008 6:17:32 PM

arthall33
Parents can and do make these decisions, and if they feel that their children should not be exposed to science then send them to a private school. Public schools have a responsibility to educate our children with the latest available knowledge and their failure to do so has degenerated the U.S. from a world leader in science to a 4th rate also ran. The majority of us want what is best for our children as I must assume you do because of your concern. To not teach them as best we can in the available knowledge is to harm the child. Public schooling is poor enough without making it worse by denying them the same information available to the rest of the planet.
I suggest that, instead, you supplement their education at home as I have. Not undermining what the school teaches but explaining how it fits in. Our knowledge of science is far from perfect, but a working knowledge is required in the real world.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 11, 2008 6:32:36 PM

arthall33
P.S. - I like Ron Paul's libertarian views as well.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 11, 2008 6:37:15 PM

Taxpayer schools should not be teaching imagination as fact. Theory (or "evolution") is imagination. It is not fact. It is not fact because it changes so much for one thing. It is not fact because there is evidence to the contrary. Teachers should be able to understand that if a historical record describes dinosaurs in detail, it is evidence that dinosaurs lived together with man. There is no way that we can have a description of a dinosaur if they were not living at the same time as man. This is proof beyond a doubt that dinosaurs were living as little as 5,000 (five thousand) years ago. If you want to teach something that is true, teach the knowledge of the nature of dinosaurs as described in the Bible. The Bible even speaks of people who professing (Professors professing) to be wise, they became fools. The last thing that we need is tax supported idiocy!

Posted by: Daleri | Jan 11, 2008 7:00:26 PM

Well just another way to make Florida look stupid, but it's one of those "little" counties still run by idiot rednecks and the southern baptists. How come it's always evolution? You would think they'd be screaming about any science? Archaeology? Chemistry? History? All document events prior to their weird biblical time of earth's creation.

The Bible was written before scientific analysis was available. The writers explained it as best they could, given ignorance at the time. Why can't people in the 21st century get a clue?

Posted by: azg | Jan 11, 2008 7:11:57 PM

Why are we blaming schools for teaching theories? It's not their job to teach religion. If parents were responsible, they wouldn't rely on the school system to teach kids religious values anyway. It makes me sick just to think about that. That's the parent's job.

Let them teach theories so your kids can learn different points of view. Then teach them religion.

Posted by: michael charlton | Jan 11, 2008 7:17:26 PM

The Bible, which teaches Creation, also happens to be very historical in it's teaching. It describes at least two different kinds of (living) dinosaurs. You can't have a description of a (living) dinosaur if it was not living at the time! People are willingly ignorant! ...also something that the Bible says.

Posted by: Daleri | Jan 11, 2008 7:55:03 PM

Whenever I hear someone say "evolution is a theory not fact" it is like a big red flag that says, "I don't know what science is."

Evolution will never be a fact. It is a theory that unites literally thousands if not millions of facts. When a scientific theory has so many facts under it, knocking down one, two, or even a handful, doesn't diminish the theory by all that much.

Posted by: Todd | Jan 11, 2008 8:01:24 PM

Daleri - I can describe a dragon but I'm pretty sure I've never seen one. Leviathan sounds like a dragon to me. Or do you really think dinosaurs breathed fire?

Find me real evidence, or leave the science to the scientists.

Posted by: jock59801 | Jan 11, 2008 8:12:15 PM

How embarassing to be living in such an ignorant state. I can't wait to leave this backwater.

Posted by: cturple | Jan 11, 2008 8:35:05 PM

Yea, I don't think I can believe the bilbe's so called dinosaurs. Especially since the bones and rock layers have been scientifically dated to the date of their deaths, within a few million years. I've never seen or heard ANY evidence that is pro creationism that can stand up to science. ID and Creationism are but mere "theories" too. So if you don't want "theories" taught, then you can't teach ID or creationism. Also, if ID and creationism are to be taught in schools, seeing as their "theories" with absolutly NO proof, then my theory that Thomas the Train is the creator of all winds on the planet.

Religion and any "theories" religion has, should be taught in church. Any and all sciences that the modern age has given us, should be taught in schools. Neither can mix peacefully. This is why our country's founding Fathers created the separation of Church and State. Trying to mix the two is against our beloved Constitution.

I also agree with many here that say that parents should also be teaching their children. Also if they want any religious text or any "theory" that comes from any religious text taught to their children, then put them into a school that teaches such, don't try and make the rest of the U.S. teach it to their children as well. Take responsibility for your own kids, stop asking the Government to. Just my two cents.

Posted by: Lawrence | Jan 11, 2008 9:44:24 PM

Oh, and P.S.

Ned, you sure know how to pick them. I enjoy all your postings. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Lawrence | Jan 11, 2008 9:45:23 PM

I guess most of the people posting here are not well educated even by American High School standards.

The rush to judgement about evolution and the abrogation of personal responsibility to an all powerful supernatural being would be quite funny if it were not so serious.

Hey, GOD gave me a brain and He expects me to use it! I can and do think scientifically and my thoughts evolve over time.

JUST LIKE THE PLANTS AND ANIMALS HERE ON EARTH AND PROBABLY ELSEWHERE IN THIS VAST UNIVERSE. JUST AS THE UNIVERSE ITSELF IS EVOLVING.

Evolution is a fact of life, of Physics, Biology and Chemistry and human emotions. Evolution IS change and it is happening all around us and sometimes within us.

Posted by: A | Jan 11, 2008 9:59:10 PM

Daleri
Re: "People are willingly ignorant!"
Finally an admission of truth!

Posted by: Ed | Jan 11, 2008 11:13:07 PM

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