Science and Society

If the idiot Gary Baur thinks this is true, it must be false.

I believe you Ned. You are right though. It does keep coming back. And I'll keep on believing in science, which tells me I evolved from an ape. I did find it interesting that Bauer said that Darwinism is supported by atheists. Kind of sounds like he means that all supporters of this are atheists, and that it is "blind faith". He kind of hypocrasizes himself by saying this. Any religion, is based on "blind faith". There is no solid proof that God exists. The bible isn't one of them, it's a tome written by men long ago about God.

Anybody out there who believes super-dude breathed into a mud puddle and created man and then, performed unauthorized surgery on the poor fellow to create woman? Anybody? Anybody with a brain, that is.

Well-when I die, and my belief in God is false-then I will just be dead. If I am right, and athiests are wrong-then it will suck to be them!!!

Anyone who believes we evolved from apes without a single transitional species to be found (and there should be "countless" millions of them in the fossil record) is clearly operating on blind faith.

There are SO many gaps in evolutionary theory, how it is so widely accepted is miraculous. This movie will expose alot of truth that has been withheld for too long.

The answer is simple: All the ID adherents have to do is present some proof or evidence that they're correct, without resorting to the dogma of the bible. Just a little scientific method, if you please.

Yay! Magic and Superstition vs. Logic and Reasoning, yay!

Funny, I didn't peg Stein as a magic and superstition type of guy. Ah well.

Can't find transitional species? What fiction do these guys read? Who does your thinking for you?

Deny the obvious and believe that some loving god turned a curious woman into a pile of salt? Incredible! Absolutely incredible. It's all jibber-jabber that makes uninformed believers feel good when they can't pound a square shape into a circular hole.

Tom, there are many transitional species in the fossil record. If the process of fossilization were that simple we would have countless numbers of them, but unfortunately everything that dies is not fossilized. More often than not scavengers, bacteria, insects and weather destroy a corpse long before it can be fossilized. That and our common ancestors didn't like living in deserts or in areas prone to landslides (as it is dangerous) so they weren't often preserved by natural events.

Shame on you Ned Potter for reporting
this as a straight news story.
You're a "science" reporter for pete's
sake. There is no issue here--ID is
a philosophy with no evidence to back
it up.

If flat earthers were protesting the
teaching of a spherical earth, no one
would treat them seriously. So why
is abcnews taking the ID folks
seriously?

Again, shame on you Ned Potter -- how
about standing up for science and
rationality?

Of course there are transitional fossils found! Any student of the subject would know this. And we really are beginning to collect an impression collection of human/hominid fossils stretching way back. Of course, every time a new fossil is found we create another "gap." So the abundance of gaps in the fossil record is a testimony to the abundance of fossils we have found, a huge amount of evidence.

The evidence is not only in the fossil record itself, but also in our own DNA.

I am a former creationist. I have not lost faith in God one little bit, but I have lost faith in creationism and the pseudo-science that is done in the name of God. None of it is real science, none of it follows the evidence to come to a conclusion, but all of it, all of the evidence and interpretation of it in creationism is bent to a predetermined conclusion. Lying is pretty much an all-the-time event, including lying about what science says, what science is, what science does, and why it does it. These lies are blatant and fill their literature. They take what scientists say and remove the context and twist the words to make it appear that they are saying something else or admitting to something they are not. They easily ignore anything that does not agree with their predetermined position, and continue to repeat arguments or claim as evidence things which have been conclusively shown to be false.

Dawkins was absolutely right to be incensed by the trickery of these hypocrites. True Christians would have been straightforward and honest in their dealings. The interviews in the picture were stolen by lies.

So please, fellow Christians, forgive me when I say that no good thing can come from this. Any philosophy or position which must be supported by lying is corrupt, and creationism is about as corrupt as it is possible to get. Hmmm. Now what punishment did Christ say would be handed out to "workers of iniquity" who claimed to follow him?

I have no problem with evolutionism if it is taught as a THEORY.

So Deb -- what's your definition of a theory?

This from a staunch atheist: Thanks, Raymond, for a breath of fresh and honest air. I believe as you do, that the creationists violate the truth (in every sense of the word) and twist it. I don't believe for a minute they have an agenda, though. Their methodology is so corrupt and fanciful that they haven't the wit to defend it properly.

All of Creation proves there is a God because evolution theories have done a very poor job to explain the origin of life and they have found no missing chains. So we don't even need a Bible to see there is a God but the documented history recorded in the Bible also proves there is a God. The Bible describes two great dinosaurs showing that they were created at the same time man was created and to this very day we can follow the route that Moses took when he led the children of Israel out of Egypt all the way across the "Sinai peninsula" which is Egypt and the crossing of the red sea together with markers that Solomon placed on each side and traces of Pharaoh's army in the sea. The route can be followed all the way to the real mount Sinai complete with the caves of Moses and the cave also used by Elijah as well as other sites. It is all there to this day virtually untouched. Then there is the issue of the accuracy of the prophets and the predictions of Messiah which have pointed to Messiah Yeshua (Jesus).

I would say a theory would be an explanation, not the end all be all. Humans are just that-humans, and thinking can be flawed. Okay Andy-why is it that creationists are the only ones who are corrupt? So much arrogance...

I knew it wouldn't last. Sigh.

Andy -- the motive is $$$$. Those who write the creationist nonsense make fortunes selling their silly assertions to those who want to believe. It's VERY BIG BUSINESS and the concern over anyone's soul is obviously of little importance in the larger scheme of things.

Funny though -- I serously doubt that the folk who believe this tripe have actually read the bible. Most are truly shocked by the rubbish within.

Even after Messiah there is more proof of God in the Bible that says every Island will fall into the seas. (Islands sit on long tall columns that rise from the ocean floor.) And the Bible also speaks of a flesh eating disease that will aflict people while they are standing.

I'm reminded of Elmer Gantry, and the rest of the religious hucksters who purport to take care of the poor. They seem to have plenty of money for jets and fine homes, etc. They are the poor - poor in spirit. They don't practice what they preach.