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One can't help but wonder if the Native American demographers made similar projections for population shifts for the plains, where inroads were made by the Sioux, the Ojibway, and others. It would seem that the only rationale for these studies is to find out who will spend how much on what. The only other reason I can think of is about who will assimilate into a culture and who will be assimilated by another culture. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Normans invaded Ireland and were never heard from again.

When I was a student at the National Autonomoous University of Mexico in Mexico City in the summer of 1973, I and a group of friends were interviewed by a very professional, well-spoken middle-aged man as to our opinions on the rate of Mexican immigration into the US. We knew such immigration was happening, but not at what rate, so we answered as honestly as we possibly could. We believed this man was some university official and thought nothing more about this until the next day. You can imagine our astonishment when a group picture of us students appeared on the front page of a very popular tabloid newspaper, loudly proclaiming that Chicanos--people of Mexican descent--would take power in the US within seven years!

Since then, I've been somewhat leery of such predictions, treating them as academic exercises. They're almost never fulfilled because "current trends" DIDN'T continue the way the analysts thought. I have no expectations that this academic exercise will have any different results.

Good thing we're all Americans!

And we'll all be speaking Spanish in 50 years too, I'm sure, all because big business bowed to a large immigrant group who didn't want to learn English, so said big businesses wrote all their instructions, packaging, store signs, etc in Spanish. Sure, many of us have [legal] immigrant ancestors, but those ancestors had to learn English to deal here. Not anymore. Way to go, America, letting our common language (and hence our identity) go by the wayside. I'm so embarassed.

1780 - "US German Population to Triple"
1840 - "US Irish Population to Triple"
1860 - "US Chinese Population to Triple"
1890 - "US Italian Population to Triple"
1910 - "US Polish Population to Triple"

Glad I won't be around then....

Well, I guess I have to learn Spanish.

I feel the same way Gerald does, I mean even my package of toilet paper is written in Spanish. If you don't know what it is regardless of language, I feel sorry for you and if you want to be here, you should be able to hold a half was descent conversation in English. My grandparents did in a local high school at night after working all day, they were not ivy league people, but they did what was expected of them.....the difference is that no one expects these people to do anything.

the biggest indicator of population growth is maternal age. And the biggest indicator of maternal age is education and income. Women who have more education have babies later, have less babies and their babies have babies later. The population that is least educated always grows the fastest. I remember studying this in college socioeconomics class. It's obvious that whites will be a minority. It has been for some time, unless, hispanics move their class up and then they too will start having less babies and start having them later in life. WHen the Irish first started streaming into the US there were fears of an Irish dominance rather than the more refined English which used ot dominate. Now hte most predominate race in the US is Irish. the English have been gone as the predominate race for about a hundred years. Just the irish blended so well no one noticed.

I wonder if all the whites start flooding Mexico, would the government bow down like the US has to all the hispanics? Think they would change the language to English? It's sad that there are NO politicians who have the guts to do something about this.

to the one who posted about the irish population tripling...it did. and then some. The most predominate ancestry for an american is Irish. We are more Irish than English. WE have been for about a hundred years.

This is why immigration needs to be addressed immediately and have stricter border control, etc.

D's post brings up and illustrates a point, namely, that those statements represent observations made as a spike in immigration occurred. That's what passes for "current trends" in today's idiom, and it's patently obvious that they were made in a panic, because of the sudden influx of a particular nationality at a given point in time. Well, take my word for it, the sky isn't falling. How will the situation be viewed when the immigration situation is finally straightened out? Most likely, panic will subside and rational thought will again prevail, and the same number of people will immigrate, but it's all calmed down and the "current trend" will be normal.

Language is the least of our worries. Gangs, crime and welfare x 3.

Thank God for small .. well, BIG favors! I won't be around then .. that's a beautiful thing! Enjoy!!

Too many baby's mamas.. Time to move to Czechoslovakia

I pretty liberal when it comes to politics, but even I am against all these illegal immigrants.

Like Lori said, I'm worried about gangs, welfare, and the state of my neighborhood.

We're in a downward slide. Immigration without assimilation spells disaster and this country will become another Bosnia or Iraq with diverse racial and ethnic groups fighting for power.

I don't understand why we have laws if our government isn't going to follow through and toss them out.

assimilation.

What a joke that word has become.

To all of you people who are horrified by this projection; you can blame me personally. Go for it. I am not afraid. My husband is Mexican, I am American born to American parents and grandparents. We buck the trends that are most often cited. I am educated and employed. My husband is employed and pays taxes, state and federal. We have 2 beautiful Hispanic children and we plan on many more and we waited until we were in our late 20's to have them. We do not rely on any type of assistance and we bear the financial burden alone. Everyone needs to wake up and understand that these predictions are grounded in fact. These children of immigrants are here, they ARE American citizens and that can never be taken away. You can send everyone back if you wish, but in 10, 20 years there will be an enormous backlash. Handle the problem now and treat these immigrants with dignity and respect and it will pay off. You can never imagine the poverty these people are trying to escape until you've experienced it for yourself. They are just trying to survive and the majority are good, hard working folks.

That's what happens when one race gets greedy and limits their family size to 1.5 kids so they can accumulate junk.and the other race values family and has a family size of 3.5 kids.

California, Arizona(though they are fighting back) Texas, Colorado, Florida looks like a third world, banana republic; little by little they are taking over this country. The United States will be unrecognizable in a few decades if we don't halt this horrible invasion. Barbarians destroyed Rome this way, now it is happening to us. My husband is a policeman in L.A. and we are trying to get out. The Mexicans are responsible for flooding this country with drugs, FBI records show that their gangs bring in 99 percent of all illegal drugs into this country. Why don't our elected representatives act and do something about this? Why do they just sit there and watch as our country slides into third-world status?

hehehe, I just laugh when I hear people say they're here for good reason. Look at what they did to southern California. lol

It's not a matter of being anti immigrants. Americans are anti ILLEGAL immigrants. Why is it so hard for LEGAL Hispanics to understand this? You might be paying taxes and you might only have two children, but the majority of babies born in places like CA are Hispanic babies. Walk around and you will see a Hispanic mom with 5 children who are all 1 year apart. So stop making this a racial issue. The facts are the facts. ILLEGALS should be DEPORTED, regardless of whether they are or are not Hispanic.

our governement and big business are the beneficiaries of the entire illegal immigrant situation.
God help this country... between most US towns and urban areas becoming Hispanic outposts, outsourcing US jobs overseas and China bailing out our banking institutions, America we hardly know ye.

THIS COUNTRY IS SAD AND NEEDS TO BE ASHAMED OF ITSELF THIS COUNTRY MAY HAVE BEEN FOUNDED BY IMMIGRANTS BUT LOOK AT THE MAJOR DIFFERENCES IN BEHAVIOR BACK THEN THE IMMIGRANTS HUDDLED TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING WITH THE PURPOSE OF MAKING THIS NATION GREAT THE NEW WAVE OF IMMIGRANTS DONT CARE ANYTHING ABOUT THE LAWS DONT WANT TO LEARN THE LANGUAGE AND BASICALLY LOOK AT AMERICAN BORN CITIZENS WHO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW EVERYDAY AND LAUGH AT US WHILE THEY SEND THEIR MONEY BACK TO MEXICO

Mexicans should be proactive and fix their government instead of just leaping fences.

If they never take the time to fix their government this mass migration of people will never stop. Which means, sooner or later they're going to mess(even more) up our government too.

I too, believe the Constitution should be changed. No anchor baby should be given automatic citizenship in America. The Constitution is not the bible, therefore it can be altered to fit the times. We are becoming the United States of Mexico and the Mexicans will be running this country in a generation if we don't do something.

Lol....too bad we didn't have blogs back when the europeans were coming across. I bet they said their glad not to be around when the white dominated the landscape.

Wow Lori, so let me get this straight, no hispanics means no gangs, crime & welfare. Hahaha, that's the funniest thing I've read, hahahah!

Oh hey white people, I hate to tell you this, but your 'white' government does care what you 'white' people think or say because they are only thinking how to make more green....that's all. I feel sorry for those who think this 'white' government is actually looking out for you. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

Andy – Your observations are interesting. Put it this way. There are very few of us (Native Americans) who speak our native languages or practice our old religions or even know the ceremonies and customs. Some come to our traditional dances but don’t know the old songs or their meanings. Their kids know more about McDonald’s than they do kinichee or squirrel soup or even hominy. — Non-Indians celebrate Thanksgiving which was an Indian feast long before the Pilgrims got here. They eat foods that weren’t known in Europe a few centuries ago. They use words which have Indian origin without even knowing it. — Each culture will change from the close association however one will be dominate. The rise in Hispanic population will continue while the white population decreases. You tell me what will happen. ?Tu habla Espanole? We might all need to learn.

Its fascinating to see the prejudice espoused here. Not once did the article mention illegal immigrants, yet everyone is assuming it because they said Hispanics, not once did the article mention crimes, but everyone is worried about it, because they are talking about Hispanics. Get a grip people, we are Americans, they are talking about Americans. The greatest asset this country has is that it can change, if you don't like it then maybe you should go to Czechoslovakia. America will survive because of its diversity, whether its Spanish, English or Swahili. Get a grip and remember what this country is based on and that hispanics have been here since the country was born. They have fought in all our wars since the revolutionary war and have contributed greatly to our society.

Am I the only one who finds some irony in people complaining about too many Hispanics in places named Los Angeles (California), Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas?

ANOTHER THING THEY NEED TO DO IS GET RID OF THE OLD AND USELESS LAW THAT IF YOURE BORN ON AMERICAN SOIL THAT MAKES YOU AN AMERICAN,THERE SHOULD BE RESTRICTIONS TO THIS CONSIDERING IT DOESNT MAKE SINCE IF THE PARENTS ARE ILLEGAL!!! THERE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE HERE PERIOD!!!

You can only assimilate people who are welcome to a place. Give latinos the same opportunities and they will contribute as much or more to the nation than any other group before them. As for those racists who equaled latinos with gangs, violence, welfare and all of that, they should check the statistics. More white people live on welfare than of any other group. Italians (mafia), French (French Connection) and many other groups were also at one time and still now, being accused of violence and resistance to assimilation.

The very fabric of our country is at stake. The quality of life will be lower for all of us with the invasion of these kinds of people. I am voting for Huckabee now because I care about the furure of our country. Put the military on that border and do it now.

CHRISTOPHER, I agree they should make the law retroactive to March 21, 1621 (when the mayflower landed).

they can take back TX for all I care. lol...

My only concern is, if they're not willing to be proactive and fix their government now. This mass migration will keep happening until they screw us over.

oh, and for those you who hold the English language so high - about 40% of our English vocabulary comes from French. Language is a tool that changes to reflect the needs of its users.

If they are american citizens why should they fix another countries government. Read the article again, they are talking about AMERICAN CITIZENS. Its such a shame that people dont know how to read.

All those illegal immigrants should fix their freaken mexican government instead of jumping fences.

OMG....

wow! thank god im learning spanish!

>>Catholics are helping that along with thier no contraceptives policy.<<

Nice try but most of us Catholics do in fact practice birth control.

One only has to look at areas with a high percentage of illegal Mexican immigrants to realize how poor and dirty they make these areas, like what THEODORE posted above.

THE SAD THING ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT IT SEEMS AMERICANS DONT HAVE ANY ENTITLEMENT TO THEIR OWN COUNTRY I DONT WANT TO HEAR FROM ANYBODY ON THIS ISSUE UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE YOUR FATHER'S FATHER'S FATHER'S FATHER'S FATHER WAS BORN HERE AND THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD PAY NO MIND TO THOSE WHO DON'T MEET THIS STANDARD THIS IS CRAZY WERE LETTING FOREIGNERS DICTATE OUR ACTIONS

Hey Patty, the Indians said the same thing when the pilgrims landed, look at the results (love canal, 3 mile island).

Who cares how many % of the English language comes from French or Spanish or any other language? The point is that Hispanics refuse to learn English!

And who cares if the Spaniards discovered the New World? We have established new boundaries that is recognized internationally and this is the United States of America. So the official language is English. That's probably why people dislike Hispanics, because instead of trying to adapt to a new environment, they want everyone else to change the rules for them.

No, the Spaniards did not discover the new world, Columbus did and he was Italian. The Spanish introduced genocide into the new world.

Who is saying Hispanics don't want to learn English. Look at the history of all immigrants, it took at least a generation for fluency in English. Again, read the article, they are talking about Hispanics who are American citizens already.

First Kyle, it is assumed he is from Genoa, they are not really sure. It is reputed that his mother was of Spanish birth which is why he was familiar with spain. Also I guess the rest of the Europeans where moronic enough to think that they would fall of the edge of the earth, since it was only the spanish who funded his voyage. Also was it not the French and English who during the French an Indian wars made it a habit of giving indians blanket from those who where infected by small pox. Read your history before you start calling people names, you may find that you are looking at yourself in that mirror.

Thanks for your interest, jijalagi. But things on this blog have taken a turn for the ridiculous. Time for a short hiatus.

our immigration policy isn't much more thought out than the Native Americans' immigration policy. I fear ours will work out for Americans as well is the Native American's did for them.

Did it ever occur to people that ABORTION - the elimination of future U.S. citizens - at a rate of over 1.5 million per year for more than 30 years has created this situation. By killing off more than 45 million Americans - because they were in the womb and couldn't protect themselves - our society created a void that's being filled by people from other countries - legal and illegal. As the saying goes, "nature abhors a vacuum." A large part of the natural population increase of our country has been aborted and so Latinos and others are taking the "empty spaces" created by the abortion of un-born U.S. citizens. It's common sense and a simple law of nature.

Christopher: My fathers go back even one father further than your standard! (LOL - But I do see your point...)

We must remember one thing, this amnesty bill will come up again with anyone who's elected. But the 12 million that they are talking about is nothing. The last amnesty bill INCREASED IMMIGRATION to 3 times its current level PLUS all those 12 million can bring their ENTIRE EXTENDED FAMILY, upwards of 40 FAMILY member, READ BETWEEN THE LINES AND ASK THESE CANDIATES ABOUT this. We stopped this once before, we can do it again

CHRISTOPHER, YOU ARE RIGHT, THE INDIANS SHOULD BE RUNNING THINGS FROM NOW ON.

argh, by your premise then Iraqis have good reason to hate americans, since some soldiers have been convicted or murdering and raping iraqis. Like I said I feel sorry for you.

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Iraqis do hate americans as a whole. They do hate our soldiers. lol...who really likes america at this point in the war.lmao

Real simple fixes, for a nation with guts and a sense of self-preservation:

1) Send the illegals back NOW. Yes, round them up, judge them, then send them (and their cute anchor babies) back home. Doesn't matter if they're Hispanic or not, just deport anyone without documents. So sad for them, but they shouldn't have broken the law in coming here.

2) Crush, and I mean really destroy, a few high-profile employers who choose to employ illegals. Set a few good examples and businesses everywhere will fall into line. The recession will help, too. Tie this enforcement with a national database of SSNs, and require all employees to have a valid SSN.

3) Enact new restrictions on using wire transfer services (MoneyGram, Western Union) to send money out of the country. No remittances = no reason to cross the border.

4) Criminalize the harboring of illegal aliens, same as aiding and abetting any other criminal. This should curtail the activities of so-called "sanctuary churches."

5) Amend the Constitution to end birthright citizenship. From now on, just because you're born within U.S. borders should not mean you're an American. Being American is not a geographical accident; it's cultural.

6) Complete the fence with Mexico. Then do another one with Canada. Sorry to say we can't trust our neighbors, but if they won't do more to help us keep illegals from sneaking in, we'll have to fence them out. Look at the stats - fences work!

Finally, if anyone is concerned about whites being "bred out" by brown folks, well personally I would agree that it'd be a darn shame if there were no more blonde blue-eyed kids around. But whose fault is that? No one's but those Caucasians who aren't having enough babies! 2 per family, and preferably 3.

Stop delaying reproduction for your career or self-gratification. Start thinking about the future of this country and what you want it to look like. Have kids, and be happy. Nothing is better than being a parent!

To those who support these illegals. I see your point. And I see why they come over.

MY point is if they don't become proactive and fix their government, this will keep happening.

They should stand up for themselves in their country. Stand up to their government instead of coming to American and rallying at our state capitals.

We should also build a giant dome made of concrete and steel and painted black so that not even sunlight can come in. That way we are walled off against the world and any potential corruption from anything in the universe. Wow, its incredible how low are society has sunk in its ignorance.

ignorant for following the laws and rules of our country? Really?!?!

illegals are so smart, that's why they dont' follow the laws and rules set in place.

I see, so I've been going through life all the wrong.

I should be breaking laws and rules.

I think it's completely unfair to treat latinios with 'most favored immigrant' status. There are people all around the world who'd love to become US citizens as much or more than those coming from south of the border. They should have the same opportunity to do so as the latinios. Why should one ethnic group have such a monopoly? People from Africa, Europe, Asia and so on should have the same chance as they do.

We should favor more highly-educated immigrants as well. If we just have tons of under-educated laborers pouring in, we're headed for 3rd world status as a nation. The welfare/nanny state federal and state governments will grow due to pandering to poor latinios, the tax burden will probably skyrocket and our economy will tank.

let's take over mexico. IF THEY HATE THEIR GOVERNMENT so much I'm sure they wouldn't mind joining sides with american to take over and "AMERICANIZE" Mexico.

Why is it if that want the dream of America so bad do they put up their flag when they get here?

let's see how they feel when we take over their country.

I guess I would have to vote for a republican for that to happen.
I guess it wont' happen than.

Steve, read the previous post to the dome one and get some perspective. Learn how to read.

Lomax: Pointing out the real cause of the problem rather than the symptoms has been met with silence from the "throw the bums out" crowd.

petee

your opinion, you have no facts to back it up

Mike from Michigan: More than 35 million abortions were performed in the U.S. between 1973 and 1990. The U.S. workforce (those 18 and over, who would have been born between 1973 and 1990) has been reduced by 35 million. Not surprisingly, illegal immigration started to accelerate in the late 1980's - just when those 1.5 million + aborted per year would have been entering the workforce.

I work in a Human Service office in the East (food stamps, Medicaid and Welfare - which by the way is now called TANF). I work with Illegal Aliens and get so tired of handing out benefits. If an illegal is admitted into a hospital, they get emergency Medicaid for the entire hospital stay! Uninsured US citizens do not have this luxury. In fact, an American with no health insurance and who are unable to pay such outrageous medical bills most likely will go bankrupt and have their credit ruined.
Children of illegals are eligible for food stamps; only a portion of the parent’s income will count in the food stamp budget.
TANF - only the children of illegals are allowed a monthly federal cash grant and Medicaid. A US citizen who receive TANF has to work, do job search or job training in order to earn the TANF monthly check - an illegal person does not.
What needs to happen? A child born on the US soil should NOT become a US citizen unless one of the parents is a citizen.
We need to stop putting money into an illegal aliens emergency Medicaid and put that money into either our SS system or help Americans with Medicaid.
Don't believe me on the above info? Call your local Medicaid / food stamp office.

Once upon a time when labor was cheap and unions did not exist, immigrants understood that they would need assimilate to make it in this country. Underbidding for their services was not possible, English was the de facto standard, and most immigrants came through ports of entry via commerical transportation lines (steamships). To have a better life their children would have to apply themselves in school and become Americans. Now labor costs are so high and the minimum wage such that they can easily underbid others and find work, the neolib apologists provide any and all information they may need in their own language at the taxpayers' expense, and there is no coordinated attempt to control illegal immigration to this country. (Curiously, all security and immegration measures focus on those entering the country through legal channels, rather like the police surveilling customers comming through the entrance of a store rather than keeping an eye on the back doors and windows.) People who come to this country illegally are not interested in assimilating, because they have little incentive to do so. Until public services (schooling, financial assistance, medical care, etc.) are restricted to the domain of citizen entitlement, and citizenship is withheld from those whose parents are in this country illegally, this will not change.

Who cares what the population makeup is, am I the only one concerned that there are going to be that many people squeezed in here whether from birth or immigration? How long before we pass laws limiting family size? This can't possibly go on forever!

America is changing demographics and there is little you can do about it. Think of it as the revenge of the American Indians. Mexicans have learned our opportunistic behavior and now they are beating us at our own game! I don't remember any of our ancestors learning how to speak the language of the American Indian. Boo hoo! Learn to accept change or go somewhere else to live.

So *obviously* all these illegals are responsible for EVERYTHING. Oh don't blame the business that actively seek out and hire them, our our inept government...Oh no its ALL their fault.
/sarcasm

Just remember it takes two to tango people. No one has really touched on those issues yet...I wonder why

There is a great interview on ABC "Exclusiva" hosted by David Puente, where he interviews vincente fox ex-presidente of mexico. David asks el presidente fox about what responsibility Mexican politicians are taking for the poor of Mexico...answer????? David then asks el presidente fox about the INHUMANE and UNCONSCIONABLE way that the Mexican government treats illegal immigrants (coming from central american countries) in Mexico....answer???? So ironic that Mexico ####### on its own people and hispanics from other countries, but the Mexican govt is demanding the US to accept responsibility for its poor ragged masses. Also, we have seen lots of instances of racism & arrogance by Mexicans and other hispanics toward african-americans, "I won't vote for a n----r" (stories I heard on NPR) and hispanics wonder why they are not wanted in this country except for labor exploitation. Mexico should take care of Mexicans and stop dumping them in america in exchange for repatriated funds!!!

Mike in Michigan: I agree with you. The things you're pointing out are are true. But common sense would tell you that eliminating 35 million workers out of the workforce through abortion has exascerbated the problem many times over. BTW - I'm a U.S. citizen living in a wretchedly poor Latin American country. I know about the conditions first hand.

Juanita Chiquita: My point was that language changes, and societies keep on functioning just fine, no matter what the current lexicon sounds like. 40% of the English language came from France - and yet the last time I checked, the United Kingdom did just fine for itself over the last 1000 years. In other words - deal with it. It's not that big a deal.

I'm with you on the population growth concerns, JMS.

What we should do is limit every woman to having 2 children. Use the tax code to punish couples having more than 2 kids, rather than rewarding them. Make it so you can only have more kids if you're wealthy and can afford the penalties. Make the poor, irresponsible parents ineligible for any public assistance unless they accept a birth-control implant.

This will create more people in the mid and upper-classes and fewer in the welfare/can't afford to be having kids class and raise the quality of life for everyone. Also give big tax breaks to those who don't have kids.

That would be the sensible, not to mention "green" thing to do.

petee

Work with me here. Lets say all those abortions, or a large part didnt take place. Okay, now we have women or parents now taking care of some child they did not want. I say about 1/2 would give it their best shot. Lets say the other 1/2 didnt give a sh*t about the kid, let him run wild , abuse him, grown up in complete #########. Now lets say 1/2 of those went criminal hard core.Okay, we stick them in jail for 20 years, the other 1/2of the first 1/2 barely do anything with their lives. So how many would companies hire ?? Not many--why-- they still cost more than illegal aliens do to hire.So we pay for them and the illegals. No win

Mike in Michigan: Lot of "ifs" you're putting on these unwanted kids. Practically speaking, we don't know if any of them will be a future Albert Einstein or end up behind bars. Also, it's kind ironic that couples that want to adopt newborns have to go overseas to adopt them - another unintended result of abortion.

The issue is with OUR government and big business. We're practically inviting them to come and then forcing them to live in some shadow society. Which will breed more issues. They need to be in clear sight and paying all of the taxes. Meanwhile I just do not get why Mexico doesn't have their act together better by now. You can't tell me they can't improve things down there.

Mexico is a failed state. 44% below the poverty line, yet has recently produced the richest man in the world, Carlos Slim. Carlos Slim, by the way, ridiculed Bill Gates and Warren Buffet for their philanthropic efforts. Latin America as a whole has the widest income disparity in the world historically due to "Latifundia", which is basically a class-based system (amongst other things). In sum: "If you are poor you stay poor, if you are rich you stay rich and piss on the poor". This has of course bred populist movements (Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez), and lately there has been a new strategy by the Mexican Oligarchs to dump large quantities of the "undesireables" into the US with under the auspices of so-called immigration. Illegal Immigration fosters the oligarch tradition in Mexico (and throughout latin america) instead of Mexican politicians reforming corrupt policies and economic systems, they benefit from the ignorant ragged masses of workers shuffling across the border. The saddest part is that the illegal immigrants themselves wave a Mexican flag for a country that has ###### on them. Brilliant!!

petee
I would not force anyone to do anything to themselves they didnt want to. I cant and wont force a woman to have a child.

Sandra

They can, but they wont, much cheaper for them this way.Mexican pres in in town, he supports all our candiates, ill give you one guess why..

Mike in Michigan: Then get ready for a lot more illegals filling the void created by the lack of natural increase in our workforce because of abortion. "Nature abhors a vacuum".

Hmmm...
No racist coments from me. Just try to read
Boewulf in the original Old English
The Carterbury Tales in original Middle English
The Taming of the Shrew as penned by shakespeare..\
Languages evolve and no one take over anyone
Carlos in California