The Environment? Is That an Election Issue?

We can no longer tolerate canidates that say they support the enviornment, but then find every excuse in the book to use tax payers money to for anything but the enviornment. This is what the current republican president realy is doing for the enviornmental budget. He has slashed most money from Combined funding for these programs has plummeted by more than 90 percent since 2001. The President’s Fiscal Year 09 budget includes the most dramatic cuts to these programs we have seen yet. The proposed budget cuts the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF) by $104 million from last year’s level. This program is the principal source of funds for acquisition of lands for parks, wildlife refuges, and other conservation lands. The President also proposes only $12.5 million for the Forest Legacy Program, representing a $40 million cut from the FY08 appropriation of $52 million. The President’s budget only allocates funding for 300 acres in 3 states, despite the fact that almost 400,000 acres were proposed for protection under the Forest Legacy Program in this year’s project proposals. In addition, the Highlands Conservation Act (HCA) receives no funding dollars in this budget enviornmental programs....
The health of our world can not sustain another republican in the White House, vote for someone who cares about our childrens world.

Certainly isn't Hillary, remember early in the campaigning she had flown a airplane cross country, while another airplane was flying out to pick her up, so why would she send the first airplane all the way back and not let the pilot wait? 2 airplanes flying round trip and Hillary flying each half on a different airplane.

Both parties do the same thing, the difference being that the Republicans are honest about not conserving while the Democrats tell you to conserve but do not do it themselves. Pelosi, Clinton, Gore .........and the list goes on.

Why didn't they mention Mike Huckabee. After becoming governor, he and his wife took a week long raft trip on a river in Arkansas specifically to highlight the need to protect the environment and that river. He stands by the idea that God a gave us stewardship over the earth, therefore we need to take that responsibility seriously, and protect it to the best of our ability. And all you non-Christians thought that religion was a bad thing.

Is this about poli(TICS) of or government of... Green Peace and Global Warming are not to be ignored, so who won't ignore it? Hillary. Who won't ask how much does it cost first? Hillary. Who's going to make sure the issues addressed get done? Hillary. Who's got the most to prove? Hillary. Who's the underdog? Hillary. Who should we be supporting and encouraging? Hillary. If Hillary wins, we could be making history ourselves as the 'underdog' generation finally making the decisions come true for those who've been waiting for them since WWII. What a way to go huh? Restoration in Humanity! What a statement! She can't do it alone. None of them can. Both male running mates seem to think this is a 'one man effort'. It's not. It's the 'effort of the individual working as a team', not an "individual effort" with everybody working for the boss instead. Is environmentalism an issue? Damn right it is and it can not be ignored because of money or because of denial. it would be a very 'Inhuman' mistake like it's been for the past 30 years. To tell you the God's honest truth, our government took away our rights a long time ago, they've just liked the money we spend and the services provided that they don't have to pay for that make them look good and they get all the credit for. Vote Humanitarianism like my friend said!

A the earth is going into a period of Global Cooling. See below:

A physicist proves global warming is false and another scientist says we are moving into a period of global cooling.

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Summary of Gerhard Gerlich Criticism Greenhouse Effect

The following is a summary of the conclusions of
(Dr. Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D. Tscheuschner - “Falsification of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effects Within the Framework of Physics”)

“5 Physicist’s Summary

A thorough discussion of the planetary heat transfer problem in the framework of theoretical
physics and engineering thermodynamics leads to the following results:

1. There are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effect, which explains the relevant physical phenomena. The terms \greenhouse effect” and \greenhouse gases” are deliberate misnomers.

2. There are no calculations to determinate an average surface temperature of a planet:
a) with or without atmosphere,
b) with or without rotation,
c) with or without infrared light absorbing gases.

The frequently mentioned difference of 33 C for the fictitious greenhouse effect of the atmosphere is therefore a meaningless number.

3. Any radiation balance for the average radiant flux is completely irrelevant for the determination of the ground level air temperatures and thus for the average value as well.

4. Average temperature values cannot be identifed with the fourth root of average values of the absolute temperature’s fourth power.

5. Radiation and heat flows do not determine the temperature distributions and their average values.

6. Re-emission is not reflection and can in no way heat up the ground-level air against the actual heat flow without mechanical work.

7. The temperature rises in the climate model computations are made plausible by a perpetuum mobile of the second kind [perpetual motion machine]. This is possible by setting the thermal conductivity in the atmospheric models to zero, an unphysical assumption. It would be no longer a perpetuum mobile of the second kind, if the average fictitious radiation balance, which has no physical justification anyway, was given up.

8. After Schack 1972 water vapor is responsible for most of the absorption of the infrared radiation in the Earth’s atmosphere. The wavelength of the part of radiation, which is absorbed by carbon dioxide is only a small part of the full infrared spectrum and does not change considerably by raising its partial pressure. Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects : : : 93

9. Infrared absorption does not imply “backwarming”. Rather it may lead to a drop of the temperature of the illuminated surface.

10. In radiation transport models with the assumption of local thermal equilibrium, it is assumed that the absorbed radiation is transformed into the thermal movement of all gas molecules. There is no increased selective re-emission of infrared radiation at the low temperatures of the Earth’s atmosphere.

11. In climate models, planetary or astrophysical mechanisms are not accounted for properly. The time dependency of the gravity acceleration by the Moon and the Sun (high tide and low tide) and the local geographic situation, which is important for the local climate, cannot be taken into account.

12. Detection and attribution studies, predictions from computer models in chaotic systems, and the concept of scenario analysis lie outside the framework of exact sciences, in particular theoretical physics.

13. The choice of an appropriate discretization method and the definition of appropriate dynamical constraints (flux control) having become a part of computer modelling is nothing but another form of data curve fitting. The mathematical physicist v. Neumann once said to his young collaborators: “If you allow me four free parameters I can build a mathematical model that describes exactly everything that an elephant can do. If you allow me a fifth free parameter, the model I build will forecast that the elephant will..fly.” (cf. Ref. [185].)

14. Higher derivative operators (e.g. the Laplacian) can never be represented on grids with wide meshes. Therefore a description of heat conduction in global computer models is impossible. The heat conduction equation is not and cannot properly be represented on grids with wide meshes.

15. Computer models of higher dimensional chaotic systems, best described by non-linear partial differential equations (i.e. Navier-Stokes equations), fundamental differ from calculations where perturbation theory is applicable and successive improvements of the predictions - by raising the computing power - are possible. At best, these computer models may be regarded as a heuristic game.

16. Climatology misinterprets unpredictability of chaos known as butter fly phenomenon as another threat to the health of the Earth. In other words: Already the natural greenhouse effect is a myth"


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Science and Technology, Greenhouse gas disproved, Gerhard Gerlich, Ralf D Tscheuschner

In addition we are going into a period of global cooling, not warming.

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David Archibald’s new paper “Solar Cycle 24: Implications for the United States”, will be presented at the Heartland Institute Climate Conference in NY City, March 2-4, 2008. David points out how solar data indicates that Solar Cycle 24 which is in the early throes of commencing now, could initiate global cooling." He points out in his paper that carbon dioxide is good not bad and could help mitigate the effect of global cooling on our food crops.

In the event of global cooling, we will need more oil and coal to keep everything running, not less. Moreover, if the State stays out of the way maybe the oil and coal companies can do what they do best and find the coal and oil we need to keep afloat. P.S. getting the State out of way of the Oil and Coal Companies might actually bring our gasoline and heating costs down.

changeforwhat
I downloaded the PDF by Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D Tscheuschner, very interesting. Thank you. I have read a lot from the Heartland site but they don't post any peer reviewed papers. Do you know of any paper rebuffing Gerlich?

changeforwhat
David Archibald’s new paper “Solar Cycle 24: Implications for the United States”, sound like it would support the late Dr. Rhodes Fairbridge. Do you know where I could download a copy?

Speaking of the environment --- why is there no media coverage of the climate change conference in NYC. 500 scientists are disagreeing with the claims of Al Gore, and nobody is paying attention. There's no bias, is there??????

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"Media organizations represented at the day's events included ABC, CBS, CNN, the BBC, The New York Times, Washington Post, and The Wall Street Journal, among many others."

Report #2 from the Global Warming Conference in New York City

Written By: Joseph L. Bast
Published In: News Releases
Publication Date: March 3, 2008
Publisher: The Heartland Institute

Mark

"(New York City - March 3, 2008)--The co-authors of the best-seller Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1,500 Years today released a second list of more than 400 peer-reviewed scientists who’ve recently found physical evidence of the long, natural climate cycle--bringing the total of such authors to more than 700."

Research of Hundreds More Scientists Shows the Natural 1,500-Year Climate Cycle

Written By: Dennis Avery
Published In: News Releases
Publication Date: March 3, 2008
Publisher: Hudson Institute

Depends on if the issue were to provide me with a job or simply to use the tax money talking about providing me a job which don't get me the job and millions are spend talking about the job. Did you want a job, is this all the environment bills are about apending taxpayer funds and not getting the the job they should have to meet the law of supply and demand at their homes and businesses? Give me a break, if it don't make jobs don't bring it up, at least I don't waste time thinking I will have a job only to learn its up to the company to make that decision. Dummies in government really only spend money, can I stay out of work 10 more years and get paid for not working? When do I get a pension for not working so much?

they might be able to fix the economy later, but as for global warming, there is no quick fix like there is no way to stop hurricanes. why don't people just reach out and help the cause. why? because Earth is our only home!!____Humanitarianism First!!

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