God vs. Godless: 'Expelled,' the Anti-Darwinism Film, Expells a Critic

You know, it's almost to the point where it's a bigger waste of time arguing over it than actually looking at it in a scientific viewpoint. There will always be religion, and there will always be science. The two are always going to fight over who's right and who's wrong. Hell, I'm sure there'll be wars over it in the future. So for now, my mind is made up. I know that evolution happens and is going to continue to happen. Untill someone from the I.D. side can show the exact same amount of plausible evidence, not just a few things, and spout that God did it as evidence, I'll continue to believe this. I'll also continue to believe in God as well, I can do that and know that evolution without fear that my belief system is going to come crashing down around me. I evolve, I adapt my belief system around what science tells me. Now, I'll leave you with the greatest religious quote I've ever heard. "Religious wars are nothing more than two people fighting over who's imaginary friend is better." And with that, let the argueing begin!

we are still a free country and people are allowed to voice politically incorrect views specially when they upset communists and godless academics.

If people understood both science AND faith, as complementary views, then we would not have Intelligent Design creationists pushing their blinkered views. I went to a promo for "Expelled" at a local church ... and they weren't peddling truth. But if it makes a few bucks to bash rational science, then they'll fit right in with the anti-science Bush acolytes.

There is really no contest on who is trying to "expel" intelligence. Science is a completely open process. The ID proponents can't compete in that open process, not because they are discriminated against, but because they are simply wrong.

"Anti-Darwinist" film?

Well, Ned, I can see you're buying into the rhetoric of Ben Stein and company.

Biologists don't call themselves "Darwinists." That's the name the godder lobby came up with to bash science and scientists, naming them as if they're just another dubious faith-based evidence-free religious sect.

If you're going to call it anything, call it "anti-science." Or maybe anti-reason, anti-intellect, or anti-science-education.

Hank Fox,
You are right of course, but to be fair, the film itself probably calls itself "Anti-Darwinist," so that may be why Ned chose the term. THEY certainly think they are fighting "Darwinism."

It is actually very interesting. I have heard creationists point out errors in the Origin of Species, thus trying to show that the "bible" of the "Darwinists" is flawed, so the "theory" of evolution must be wrong. They really don't seem to get science at all. How the ongoing process of science is always correcting itself and progressing, and how far we have come since Darwin, who of course was wrong about many things.

I watched the Ben Stein's super trailer and it just about made me cry to think that there still may be people with reason left on this earth. This has got to be the best movie since Schindler's list or something like that.

It's not anti-anything. It's just pro-stupidity.

hi beatruefriend! I'm glad you were moved by it. Religion can certainly move people very profoundly. I think that's great. But science is not based on emotions. Science and religion are both important but need to be kept separate.

Evolutionists have to wake up to the fact that living dinosaurs were documented thousands of years ago in more ways than one. This means that evolution needs to go the way of the dinosaurs.

It was truth of Science that moved me coming out of the mouths of human beings.

I find scientific 'reason' hardest to believe in the fact that no man has ever lived over a thousand years to actually see with his own eyes how much the world would change in that time period. But then I have these educated people trying to convince me about what the world was like MILLIONS of years ago. Anyone could make a pretty cool story, but no one can actually comprehend it, no matter how educated youu are.

You're right, PQQAm. There is documentation of living dinosaurs all over the place. They're called birds.

I've heard many, many arguments citing documentation of dinosaurs living with man (usually it's the Bible, itself), and it's never failed to be question-begging. You can't attribute evidence in a such a tenuous manner and then argue that you have evidence. That's not how science works.

Jon L. - Of course we can't know exactly what it was like millions of years ago, but there was quite a bit of evidence left behind in the rocks that we can piece together fairly well. Combine that with observations of the modern world, where scientists have actually watched and measured evolution happening at rates every bit as fast as it would have to to explain the fossil record. All of the evidence actually comes together quite well.

Five hundred years ago, religion was arguing for the earth being the center of the univers. Now we look back at that concept as ridiculous.

So I would imagine that in five hundred years, historians will look at Ben Stein as an idiot. Some of us do now....

Earth being the center of the universe is one thing, evolution is another thing altogether. One issue at a time. Evolution ...is the only thing that you have to hold on to and you all are losing your grip!

The dinosaurs described in the Bible and other places are historical documentations. Yes, this is evidence and it is the only history that we have.

Whenever anyone finds a dinosaur bone, they have found a confirmation of what the Bible has been saying for thousands of years.

PQQAm - Well, there were thousands od species of dinosaurs, and most of them were quite small. And none of them breathed fire. So there was a few points the Bible seems to have missed. Which is understandable; the Bible was not intended as a scientific document.

PQQAm: You apparently did not get the memo from the ID people who falsely try to disavow themselves from biblical creationists.