God vs. Godless: 'Expelled,' the Anti-Darwinism Film, Expells a Critic

We can figure out later if it was just ID or a biblical creation. You don't know what the dinosaurs did or did not do because no one was there to see them ...except the people that saw them 4000 years ago. They described them for us and the Bible is not the only account of a fire breathing dragon.

Hmmmm ... give us a passage from the Bible on that one.

PQQAm - Yes, legends of fire-breathing dragons are older than the Bible, and still no one has actually found one. Dinosaurs were not fire-breathing dragons. I'm still not understanding how the Bibles description of a mythical fire-breathing creature somehow proves that evolution didn't happen. There are a few logical steps that seem to be missing there.

Having actually seen, touched, and walked among the fossilized footprints of humans and dinosaurs, interacting with each other, in the same layer of rock, I just can't fathom why anyone still believes in evolution. People would rather hide evidence than face the facts. When "science" requires more blind faith to believe than religion, what good is it? Are we so desparate to not believe in religion that we have to walk around believing something the very rocks of the earth disprove?

Mr Potter, a salient point of the incident is the fact that Dr Myers is actually IN this film. He is thanked in the ending credits. In spite of that, the producer kicked him out. And he's not the only person who appears in the film that hasn't been allowed to see it; Eugene Scott (sorry if I spelled her name wrong) was also interviewed for the film and has been blocked from seeing it. What is the producer afraid of? And how does his behavior square with your experience?

INFORMATION YOU WON'T HEAR IN THE MEDIA ABOUT RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM.
POLITICAL FUNDAMENTALISM HAS KILLED BILLIONS MORE THAN RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM EVER DID.
POLITICAL FUNDAMENTALISM HAS JAILED AND MAIMED AND DESTROYED THE LIVES OF BILLIONS MORE THAN RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM EVER DID.
IT'S POLITICAL FUNDAMENTALISM THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN CHECK AS RELIGION IN GENERAL IS FUNDAMENTALLY GOOD IN NATURE AND INTENT.

The other dinosaur that was described was a sauropod. Put the two together and you have evidence that cannot be refuted because the other other one was a Spinosaurus otherwise known as "the dragon". You don't know that the dragon did not breathe fire because no one today has seen it. So no one today can say one way or another but the people that described it can say that it breathed fire.

No, political fundamentalism (whatever that is) has not killed "billions" more than religious fundamentalism. Nothing has killed billions, yet. But, give the religious people some more time, they are working on it.

Robert

Did you take pictures? If such evidence existed, where is it? Anyone who could prove what you say could easily get it published in any scientific journal and would be instantly famous. Yet this hasn't happened. Why not? And I don't mean "prove" it to other creationists. I mean show us all, if it is so obvious. I keep hearing about these footprints and I'm really curious, but for some reason I can't find any pictures, anywhere. And you wonder why we don't believe you?

That is what this film is about. It is a cover-up and a conspiracy. The so called scientists more than likely throw out any human remains that they find together with dinosaurs.

If Intelligent Design is a legitimate scientific hypothesis, let alone a full blown theory, where is the objective evidence from a single repeatable and verifiable experiment that proves even one of the NECESSARY assumptions upon which ID relies? There is no objective data from repeatable and verifiable experiments because ID as most proponents push it relies entirely upon circular logic and unprovable assumptions.

* Assumption - A supreme intelligent designer must necessarily exist.
** So, where is the objective experimental data that proves this supreme intelligent designer exists?

* Assumption - The supreme intelligent designer that must necessarily exist, also must necessarily be the Judeo Christian God of the Bible.
** So, Where is the objective experimental data that proves the Judeo Christian God of the Bible exists?
** Or, where is the objective experimental data that proves the Judeo Christian God of the Bible is the one and only intelligent designer?
** Or,where is the objective data that proves the intelligent designer wasn't Jupiter, Zeus, Buddha, Odin, Zoraster, etc. etc.?
** Also, where is the objective data that proves the creation stories from every other religious tradition is wrong?

* Assumption - It is impossible for random uncontrolled events, even if given billions of years, to evlove more complex life from less complex.
** Where is the objective data that proves more complex life CANNOT EVER evolve from less complex life?

* Assumption - There is one, and only one, supreme intelligent designer.
** Where is the objective experimental data that proves there was one designer and not multiple designers?
*** Maybe plants, mammals, fish, insects, etc. etc. had separate designers. Or each specific plant, animal, and insect had its own designer, meaning there was one designer each for lions, and tigers, and bears - oh my, etc. etc.
*** Maybe each complex system had its own designer, and then different designers combined the systems in different ways to make different life forms. In other words, maybe muscular systems, and nervous systems, and digestive systems, etc. etc., had their own designers, and then a different group of designers designed different life forms from those systems.
*** In other words, maybe one group of designer designed the pieces of the puzzles, and then different designers put the pieces together in as many different ways as they could think of.

* Assumption - Only a supreme intelligent designer, i.e. one that is omnipotent and omniscient, is intelligent enough to design all of the life we see.
** Where is the objective data that proves a being, or beings, of lesser or non-omniscient intelligence could not possibly have designed any or all of the life on this planet?
*** Maybe a prehistoric but extinct race of people used eugenics and genetic engineering programs to design the life we now see.
*** Maybe a prehistoric but extinct race of people cracked the unified field theory and built machines able to change and manipulate matter and energy at will. Then, instead of using low tech eugenics and genetic engineering, they just had the high tech machines design and create the life we see now.
*** Or, maybe highly advanced aliens came here and did it with either of those two methods.

Now for the big irony. I actually belive in ID, and I believe it should be taught in schools - but only in authentic philosphy classes and religion classes; not science classes because ID is not science. At best ID is a religious hypothesis or religious theory.

Also, my version of ID is unacceptable to every ID proponent I have ever met. I believe that God chose to design evolution as His process for developing and changing life. I believe evolution is the process God designed for us to eventually evolve toward complete understanding and eventual union with Him. And I am intellecually honest enough to admit that I can't prove it.

It's not just the theory of evolution that the fundamentalists are denying, I actually saw a comment in another blog that denied Einstein's theories on Relativity. They deny anything that they simply can not comprehend, it's absolutely incredible.

Scientists have barely tapped in to 3% of universal workings. There are so many unexplainables in the life which we live, along with the life that we don't know about. People think they have the answer to everything or will someday find the answer, which, yes, have helped us acquire knowledge and wonderful aids for the life of which we live. However, no matter how much people keep pushing and pushing, they will never even begin to comprehend how much they will never ever know. The reason for the word mystery is because of the meaning...MYSTERY..some things are just not meant to be figured out! Science and Religion go more hand in hand than anybody can fathom.

M and M
Yes but which religion? Do you want your children to be taught the hindu creation myth as scientific fact? How about the mayan creation myth? If I were allowed to teach evolution I would teach the tibetan creation. Would you like that one? Or how about we only hire teachers that stick to facts.

Science classes are supposed to teach our kids how to use the scientific method of discovery in the world. This methodology requires factual support of any 'theory' put forth. Evolution isn't a theory and ID supports that fact. ID is like Darwinism in that it is a theory of evolution - why evolution happens. But it is a fundamentally flawed theory because it can not be scientifically proven - the initial assertion is flawed because no one has ever provided any direct evidence to support the existence of a supreme being, let alone that it is responsible for anything. Beyond that, the evidence in support of ID is equally flawed and has been refuted without rebuttal. In other words, other scientists have pointed out the flaws in the evidence to support ID and no one on the ID side has come up with any other evidence to support their side.

ID, therefore, provides an excellent example to teach our kids about the dangers of flawed initial assumptions (or hypothesis), flawed evidence, flawed presentation and flawed defense of a theory. There is often a fine line between science and pseudo-science, which the ID'iots are trying to blur. Showing our kids how this kind of thing happens in science is an invaluable lesson for them. It will help hone their critical thinking skills.

In conclusion, to "Political Fundamentalism = The Real Danger", fundamentalism is merely the strict, unyielding adherence to a set of ideals or beliefs.

I think the danger lies in fundamentalism alone, whether religious, political, social or what have you. And regardless of how many deaths one or the other has caused, one is too many. Killed with kindness and good intentions (a hypocrisy at best) is just as dead as killed over political differences. Though you assert that "RELIGION IN GENERAL IS FUNDAMENTALLY GOOD IN NATURE AND INTENT." I argue that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And religions have a lot of convenient excuses to send a lot of people to hell the hard way.

People are having a real problem facing the issues. Evolution is on its way out because it simply does not explain anything. The issue is that we have too much design to explain away. Another problem is that the historical record that we have of the flood and inconvenient details like descriptions of dinosaurs are also too much to explain away. It is our History. Evolution doesn't explain everything that we see. The historical account of Creation does give reasons for the way things are, not only how things happened by why things happened they way they did. You know the worse thing about it? It all makes a lot of sense.

The "only" evidence that we have is documented historical evidence and the evidence of design. That is quite a lot of evidence if you ask me. It is the only alternative that we have. We can't make things up so we have to go by these evidences that we have.

Spinosaurus is the infamous Sea Serpent or Dragon described both in history and the Bible. Spinosaurus is the only dinosaur that fits the description of Leviathan. I could be wrong theoretically but there is no other creature to date that comes close. This, of course, confirms the historical accounts found in the Bible of such a creature.

There is absolutely NO scientific evidence of any dinosaurs existing after the extinction event 65 million years ago. All claims otherwise by creationists have been totally disproven by science as either outright lies or misinterpetations of the evidence. For example the so called evidence of human footprints next to dinosaurs was shown to be just eroded footprints of another dinosaur that looked similar to a human but were clearly not human. And tales about fire breathing dragons doesn't make that historical evidence. Humans have handed down fairy tales in every culture, that doesn't make it true. No physical evidence exists for these creatures and they are not even practical scientifically anyway. Just because it says in in the bible doesn't make it true. For example its scientifically impossible to live inside a whale for days or get strength from long hair!! The bible is loaded with errors. I will go with science on the history of life on this one.

If everything continues the way we see things happen, that means that these forces or powers are God. We know that this cannot be true because they are merely physical forces and are in no way eternal no matter how much it appears that way to us. Any "laws" that we make should come with the asterisk of *theory* meaning that we don't even have any way of measuring things to be sure they continue the way they appear to us. This way, we won't look so bad if or when our observations are refuted.