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Is God 'Obsolete'?

April 28, 2008 2:27 PM

Hubblepillars_of_creation Often the best part, for me, of writing this page is reading your comments.  After thirteen hundred on natural selection and intelligent design (after the release of Ben Stein's "Expelled"), we're actually crashing that page on some computers.

So let's pick up the conversation here, if you'd like to continue.  And to add some new material, let me offer the following from the John Templeton Foundation: a debate titled  "Does science make belief in God obsolete?"  

"Absolutely not!" writes physicist William D. Phillips.

"No, but it should," writes Christopher Hitchens, author of "God is not Great."

The foundation assembled a diverse group of thinkers for its "conversation," and their answers to the question are both reasoned and passionate.

Click HERE to take a look at their essays.  The foundation took out full-page newspaper ads in Sunday papers to publicize its debate.  Sir John Templeton, who made his fortune in mutual funds, makes it clear that his personal faith is strong, writing that he hopes his foundation will support the work of those who might deepen our "knowledge and love of God." 

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If there is no God what is the point to life? Is it to study how we as human beings essentially just don't matter, I don't think so. As virtually minute as we are in this Universe I would rather be wrong and have faith in something than go through life with no hope, no faith and no meaning.

Posted by: Dennis | Apr 28, 2008 4:45:25 PM

>>>>GOD IS GOOD!! <<<<

That's amazing that your husband's cancer was healed by God. Just one question Sue, why doesn't god heal amputees?

I'm not arguing for or against your god here, just wondering why it's always vague "healing" and never something obvious.

Posted by: bubba | Apr 28, 2008 4:51:45 PM

Science is based on empirical and mathematical proofs which are no longer parts of modern science. Today’s scientists sell themselves to the highest bidder and endeavor to replace empirical and mathematical proofs with nose counts and dollar totals. Modern scientists seek opinions and majority votes in understanding and explaining natural phenomena without regards to honest observations, rigorous experimentations, and solid mathematics. Modern science is political and shyster crock.

Posted by: fred | Apr 28, 2008 4:58:50 PM

">>>>GOD IS GOOD!! <<<<

That's amazing that your husband's cancer was healed by God. Just one question Sue, why doesn't god heal amputees?

I'm not arguing for or against your god here, just wondering why it's always vague "healing" and never something obvious."

Indeed that is a good question but if you watch "Bruce Almighty" you might find a good answer to that. its a movie for modern times and it explains that answer in a funny way.

Posted by: adam | Apr 28, 2008 4:59:15 PM

God will be around long after us humans go extinct. He always has been and always will be. -That is a simple definition of God... -No Bible (or Koran, or other religious book) needed for that definition. For those that don't believe in God, His existence will soon become obvious enough... -"It is a fool who has said in his heart 'there is no God.'"

Posted by: Ben | Apr 28, 2008 4:59:29 PM

>>>Indeed that is a good question but if you watch "Bruce Almighty" you might find a good answer to that. its a movie for modern times and it explains that answer in a funny way.>>>>


Sorry, I just can't accept that a Jim Carey movie contains any useful information.

Now, god may hate amputees. Could be they are just big babies who whine so much that it drives him crazy. Or it could be that God specializes in internal medicine or possibly in divine chemotherapy of sorts. Or maybe rebuilding limbs is just a lot of work and he's really busy. Maybe tumors are much easier and he's going for COSTCO-esque bulk miracles here.

I don't have the answer but I know if I were an amputee I would find God's track record a little distressing.

I just wish you people would stop denying the other gods though, I just don't know where you get off doubting them.

Posted by: bubba | Apr 28, 2008 5:21:04 PM

My God is alive and well. Thank you.

Posted by: johnny2cat | Apr 28, 2008 5:23:25 PM

Example: if you were about to shoot someone in the head and you knew that there was no god, you would think that there would be no punishment after death for your crimes so killing another would be that much easier. If no one believed in god, then we would be just another species of animals basing all our actions on our primordial instincts, having no ethics or morals to look to because most of what we look to as "good and bad" comes from religion.

adam : there are different levels of moral development. Some people need the direction that religion can give, and some do not. I'm not worried about being punished in an afterlife, but I sure as heck know it's absolutely wrong to murder someone. It's really rather insulting when people say that without religion, there are no morals.

Posted by: cturple | Apr 28, 2008 5:28:09 PM

I have some answers for some of you..here they are:

Adam- I cannot answer why God doesnt heal amputees.. but I can tell you that there was a woman who had a goiter on her neck the size of a grapefruit and she woke up every morning and the first thing she would say was " Thank you God for healing me from my goiter" and people used to think she was crazy and say "Ugh!! its still there" but one morning as she woke up and began to thank God she looked in the mirror and it was gone.. not just a urban legend either I know her! Faith is very important. In the bible there was a woman who bled for many years and she said if she could just touch the cloak of Jesus she would be healed and when she did he turned to her and said "Woman your faith has healed you".

Adam- a different one not sure
Yes you are right Jesus filled over 300 oold testament prophecies that were about the coming messiah. He took 39 strikes with a cat and nine tails and was crucified yet none of his bones were broken!!

As for Free will.. its funny that you said He (meaning God) gave us free will tbelieve in him or not.. LMAO so your saying God said that I can believe he doesnt exist..lol

Posted by: SueEllen | Apr 28, 2008 5:39:09 PM

Bubba-
Ever think that losing a leg is a blessing because God spared a life?
Lets look at both sides here.

Posted by: SueEllen | Apr 28, 2008 5:45:52 PM

"My God is alive and well," said bubba.

Well... what God are you worshiping. It sounds like an idol.

How can one know the condtion of their God if it is superior to he/she? I mean you can say that you know God and what God wants and etc, but you know?
Many people attempt to twist faith and the e.g. "God approved" lable to their favor.

Define God.

Nevermind no one can, God is undefinable but still...

Posted by: qqr2 | Apr 28, 2008 5:47:04 PM

My cousin actually woke up one morning and FOUND a giant goiter on his neck. So clearly god is just shuffling this stuff around. That's not healing, he's just passing the buck around trying to confuse you SueEllen.

Honest and true. What? You don't trust anonymous text on the internet?

Posted by: bubba | Apr 28, 2008 5:47:53 PM

Also really it would be soo easy to have faith in a god that we all know physically exists. i mean its like saying a pizza right in front of you doesnt exist, what is the point in that. God wanted us to have true faith in him which means we dont know physically that he exists we just have that feeling and that urge to have faith in him and know that all will be well.

Posted by: adam | Apr 28, 2008 5:51:52 PM

"My cousin actually woke up one morning and FOUND a giant goiter on his neck. So clearly god is just shuffling this stuff around. That's not healing, he's just passing the buck around trying to confuse you SueEllen.

Honest and true. What? You don't trust anonymous text on the internet? "

The fact is, god is not in control, the reason to that is because we have free will. When jesus fasted, the devil said to him that if he were to bow down to the devil, the devil would give him control of all the nations in the world. In the end times however this will all change.

Posted by: adam | Apr 28, 2008 5:55:56 PM

Well, good to know youve got it all sorted out adam, but that's not the only view of god, or gods, or the divine.

I take comfort that faith in religion is plummeting with each generation. The Pew poll shows an 11 point drop in faith among 18-29yos since the late 80s.

That's why I love fundamentalists and creationists. They do more harm to religion than I ever could.

Posted by: bubba | Apr 28, 2008 6:00:04 PM

If there really is a god, then why did it let the little 10 year old girl die, who's parents prayed non stop for it to heal her diabetes. I quess they didn't have true faith then huh. Or maybe it's just gods way, or maybe the world is flat, and is the center of the universe.

Posted by: LUBES | Apr 28, 2008 6:17:16 PM

I scoft bubba and adam with great humor. I laugh not at you, but... with you. You two are arguing the same cause. Who will win? It sounds really violent!

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LUBES
I am sorry for the passing a person with great potential. In faith we hope the best for her.

Posted by: qqr2 | Apr 28, 2008 6:53:46 PM

Well, good to know youve got it all sorted out adam, but that's not the only view of god, or gods, or the divine.

"I take comfort that faith in religion is plummeting with each generation. The Pew poll shows an 11 point drop in faith among 18-29yos since the late 80s.

That's why I love fundamentalists and creationists. They do more harm to religion than I ever could."

This poll actually is part of a prophecy in itself, as the anti-christ will use the notion that there is no god to dominate over all.

Posted by: adam | Apr 28, 2008 7:11:55 PM

"If there really is a god, then why did it let the little 10 year old girl die, who's parents prayed non stop for it to heal her diabetes. I quess they didn't have true faith then huh. Or maybe it's just gods way, or maybe the world is flat, and is the center of the universe."

We have to remember that even though that girl did die, her soul lives on in heaven, which is a heck of a much better place than where we live now. If god were to answer everyone's prayer to cure from diseases and injuries, then we would all know that god exists and there would be no reason to put one's faith in the divine being because we know he is there. It is having that absolute faith and having complete trust in a god that many will try to argue his existance in that makes life feel like a test of one's will.

Posted by: adam | Apr 28, 2008 7:18:24 PM

""That's why I love fundamentalists and creationists. They do more harm to religion than I ever could.""~adam

-LOL! Yep, together the fundamentalists and the creationists double team to help others and tell them what is what and how what is why what.

Yes the "the anti-christ will use the notion that there is no god to dominate over all" is somewhat commonly recited by some religious believers.

Yes there is some trfalseth with that statement. However, on the other worlds prespective polls are only pushed public if out of the e.g. "3" neibors or friends sevayed, a majory if by .000001 agreed such that one can sum up their minute intrestes and proclaim the world is coming to an end when it is. OR is the world's life expectcy growing loger as it is?

Posted by: qqr2 | Apr 28, 2008 7:23:58 PM

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