Pushback

The Walter Reed problem is an embarrassment, but it is not new. My grandfather fought in WW I in France. He in his old age developed health problems that required hospitalization and I went with my family as he was admitted to a VA hospital. I was only about 14 years old, but I noticed the hospital was not clean and had a bad odor, unlike the hospitals from where I lived. That was 40 years ago.

Regarding questioning Senator McCain's character I have a problem with that. He is simply a political threat and thus misrepresentations in this area are to be expected however unfair.

I have the greatest respect for him.

I have no position regarding either his fundraising or Attorney General Gonzales.

I do know that the dismissed attorneys "serve at the pleasure of the president". To consider their function as apolitical is not realistic. Even if dismissed for political reasons, it is legal. What I don't understand is why it was not explained that these attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president and any can dismissed for whatever reason or without reason at any time, and left at that.

It is granted that for political reason leaves a bad taste, but it does not matter if I correctly understand the basis on which they serve.

Just more political games. None of the named candidates from either side has indicated any intention other than to preserve the ststus quo. It would be nice for someone to enter the race on one simple platform statement, "War on corruption" then outline steps to bring government into line with its' founding principle, "of the people, by the people and for the people, instead of "of, by, and for the money", and "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", rather than "death, social dictatorship, and the denial of happiness", Mr. McCain, could you be that person? So far, doesn't look that way...

The rats on both sides of the aisle would start heading for the gangplank...

Briany Whiny
Sits on his hiny,
Till it is shiny.
Briany whiny's hiny's shiny.

Briany Whiny:

You are a foreigner.

You are not "of the people".

You lack knowledge of United States democracy.

You lack knowledge in United States economics.

You lack knowledge in United States politics.

You lack knowledge in United States history.

You lack knowledge in United States sociology.

You are an outsider.

You have no rightful say. You can't vote. Voters have say.

It is apparent you have very serious problems and you are starting to again to hijack this blog to get it off track like you did the last one.

You have a serious mental disorder driving your compulsiveness.

Take your socialist ideas and devote them to correcting the problem nation from which you exist. There is no greater place to live other in the United States of America. If you are so smart, then devote your time to your sub-standard country. It needs it more than the United States does.

Briany Whiny:

I nailed you more than once related to the fact you have no concern of the murder, rape, and mutilation in mass of women and young girls. Because of where the atrocities were coming from you would not condemn these people.

Pervert; You are really a sick puppy.

You know what is "shameful" Mr McCain:

1) Not questioning Mr Bush enough about the claims of WMDs
2) Not questioning Mr Rumsfeld about the strategy to win the war
3) Not questioning the "Commander in Chief" and the Sec of Defence about the troops being sent without body armor
4) Standing by and letting our heroes being subjected to nightmarish conditions at Walter Reed and God knows how many other VA hospitals.

If it werent for the Democrats being in power in Congress, there would be no

1) Change of Strategy in Iraq
2) Sec Def Gates - Rumsfeld would still be here.
3) No investigation of Walter Reed.

Believe me Mr McCain, it is you who should be ashamed of your behavior in Congress - and Yes The Democrats love the troops a heck of a lot more than the Republicans, which is why they fight to get the troops the correct equipment, the correct hospital care and most importantly the correct strategy to fight a War - something that Bush, McCain and all the other Republicans seem to have forgotten.

To Do_do:

YOU MIGHT WANT CHANGE ALIASES. IT IS TOO CLOSE TO DODO – A STUPID BIRD THAT COULD NOT FLY.

When I went to a VA hospital were my grandfather was admitted the place was dirty and it smelled terrible. That was during a Democrat administration.

What do you know of John McCain? Well, he fought in a Democrat War in Vietnam.

(WWII was a Democrat war that began due to what at best is described as incompetence. That is putting it mildly. Pearl Harbor should have never happened.)

He was a pilot who was shot down on combat mission over Vietnam. He was captured immediately and confined in the Hanoi prison system, as was verified by Radio Hanoi broadcasts and later information gathered during his years of imprisonment. McCain was severely injured, having broken both arms and his right leg, and his strength in coping through his recuperation was inspiring to many of his fellow POWs.

The Vietnamese would have made it easy on him since his father was "Admiral John S. McCain, Jr. Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Command. As such, he directed all U.S. military operations in the vast war theater during the Vietnam war. He exercised command over ground and air operations in Vietnam. The Vietnamese would have liked to have done nothing less than use him as part of their propaganda machine. The POW John McCain would in no fashion cooperate with his captures.

To this day, John McCain suffers from war injuries such as the fact he has problems straightening his arms.

NOW JUST WHO ARE YOU? HAS YOUR FAMILY FOUGHT IN EVERY WAR IN THE UNITED STATE SINCE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR? JOHN MCCAIN’S FAMILY HAS.

Are you a decorated wounded war veteran who was a POW under the worst conditions for five and one half years? I think not.

Now who is better to understand military affairs and the treatment of the wounded than John McCain? Now unless you meet his pedigree and experience you might learn something by listening than talking.

By the way, can you fly?

Heads up everyone, Mr. ebbarn is here, and as usual, purposely making incorrect assumptions, (lying) and otherwise trying to spread the gospel according to Hitler. Don't mind him, he needs pity, it is already too late for education. the time for his kind of thinking is already over, he is one of the last dregs of American noenazis...

To Mr. McCain

Your sacrifice as a POW is a great sacrifice for anyone to make for their country, it shows that at the time you were ready to give up all in service to your nation, this is undisputable.

But now, there is a need for a new war, a war on corruption, which bankrupted the country once, and is about to do so a second, and possibly fatal time. The enemy is just as willing to literally kill any opposition to its plans as the Vietnamese were to kill the invaders.

President Kennedy lost his life for his attempt to stop the illegal paramilitary action in Cuba, Cambodia and Vietnam in the '60s, the corrupt know no bounds.

The current president and his friends have trampled over almost every law in the constitution, for the profit of his friends and supporters, and at the cost of countless innocent lives on both sides of an unnecessary conflict.

Mr McCain, knowing firsthand the nightmare that is war, surely the deaths of US men and women for the profit of Halliburton and Bechtel would leave a bitter taste for you, as they did not die for their country, just a small group of rich people seeking to become richer, and who were willing to lie to your senate fraternity, the American people, and even the UN to justify their plan for the invasion and occupation of soverign states.

We now spend literally billions every month to continue this deadly farce, and loose accounting sees much of that money disappear into seemingly thin air, money which could modernize and repair America's education, communication, transportation, and health care infrastructure.

Any president who actually takes a concrete stand to fight corruption will be a sure target for assassination, but what is the alternative?

How much longer, Mr McCain can the US absorb such abuse?

To Mr. Ebbarn
You show an unusual concern for my "shiny hiny" (sic).
Sorry dude, I don't swing that way, try your local YMCA...

To Mr. SteveinVa

I also don't doubt for a minute that Sen. McCain stands for the soldiers who are now in harms' way.
My question, however that since Bushco corruption and lies got us in there in the first place, the question becomes just what is "victory"?

Are we trying to install a puppet government there, who will submit to American rule by proxy? That will never succeed, Iraqis won't, and rightly shouldn't accept this.

Are we trying to restore some kind of order to a place we ourselves plunged into the current state of anarchy? We removed a strong hand that, for whatever we thought of him, at least kept order, and for us to reestablish order, we will have to use the same tactics Saddam used, how does this make us any better than Saddam?

The problem is the lies that sent us there, they don't entail any solution that can be called victory, there was no real goal before we went in.

On the day of the invasion, Bushco told the American public that the reason for going in was "to disarm Iraq," (they weren't armed) "to free its' people" (whose land we now occupy illegally) "and to protect the world from danger" (again, they weren't armed)...

So now we are there for no real reason, just what is meant by "victory"?

Brian:

Okay Pervert.

You never have answered the reason you do not condemn the rape, murder, and mutilation of women and young girls from a sect of people in Africa.

Just where did I lie and how do you connect me to Hitler? Please give case and point. Reference blog date and time. I am calling your hand.

Just what are my incorrect assumptions? Please give case and point. Reference blog date and time.

What evidence do you have that I am connected to neo-Nazis. Please give case and point. Reference blog date and time.

Again, reference my blog by date and time where I lied and made incorrect assumptions.

My father taught me that a liar will do anything. In my graduate study one of my professors taught me that “truth is that which is consistent, does not disagree with itself, and corresponds to reality.” By the way, what is your level of education and what is it in? Also, as part of my enrolling into a Baptist college I was required to take a psychological profile. My adviser was the most qualified in the college and he determined I am solid as a rock. He was fluent in Hebrew and was one of the translators of the New King James Translation.

I have a double major in accounting and business administration with emphasis in economics from an award winning university. I have an equivalent major in religion. My graduate work is in theology with emphasis in apologetics and psychology. I am a licensed professional in one of the most demanding field in business.

When was the United States bankrupted as you claim? Please give case and point.

You claim verbatim: "President Kennedy lost his life for his attempt to stop the illegal paramilitary action in Cuba, Cambodia and Vietnam in the '60s, the corrupt know no bounds." What is your documentation? Please give case and point. You have none liar. The reason is you are a foreigner and are butt ignorant in this area.

Regarding your "shiny hinny", it apparently results from your sitting on your dead hind end, not my interest. You are juvenile. It is a nursery rhyme play on "fuzzy wuzzy was a bear, fuzzy wuzzy had no hair." Over 15 years, I worked with over 7,000 kids and I have seen a lot of juveniles like you. It is appropriate that I deal with you as a juvenile.

You don't spend anything in United States taxes if as you claim that you are a foreigner. What is your concern related to United States spending? Why not deal with the affairs of your own second rate nation if you are so smart? I doubt they would listen to you.

What got us in Iraq was as much the fault of the Clinton administration as anything. They gutted intelligence and left the military in deplorable shape. These plans, tests, and acquisitions of armor and equipment were set in motion years before Bush took office.

Bush inherited a Democrat created problem. Clinton’s incompetence resulted in Bin Laden getting away. If Clinton had been on the ball, it is unlikely there would have ever been a 9/11 and 3,000 lives would have been save. All Clinton did was facilitate Bin Laden to go in hiding and scare a bunch of camels with cruise missles.

What massive assault has been made by U.S. forces on the Iraqi people? The assaults are on the insurgency, foreign fighters, and sectarian violence. The assaults on the Iraqi people are by the insurgents, foreign fighters, and sectarian violence. Islamic extremists hate democracy and your support of their murderous actions indicates you also do. True and sadly like any war innocent citizen get caught in the crossfire, but the United States incites no violence. Granted like any segment of any population there are military personnel that are capable of atrocities and commit such, but it is vastly separated from the military in general.

Hussein had a vest bomb factory and a $25,000 reward to any family who’s a member died in a suicide attack on Israel. Used enough the net effect of suicide attacks is horrible and in time becomes as destructive as WMDs.

Does that get you off Pervert? You ignore and have no concern of such facts. Hitler wanted the Jews murdered and not once have you voiced concern.

Following your logic it can only end in another Holocaust of the Jews. Hitler hated the Jews. You have once to defend Israel against Hamas, Hussein’s aspirations, and Iran’s aspirations. I have been to Israel, even the West Bank, and found them to be good people but also a people on guard for the purpose of preventing what Hitler did. I was there during attacks on the Israeli people. That does not bother you at all does it Pervert?

Hussein had a desire to develop WMDs for certain. He behaved as a guilty man. A hidden centrifuge under a bush in the sands of Iraq and the possession plans for a nuclear bomb is evidence of his intent but probably not his ability given the scrutiny he was under.

Also, just what satellite surveillance is capable of detecting an atomic weapon as you claim? There is none. That is really a joke. You really revealed your ignorance there.

Again Pervert. You would take no opposition to the murder, rape, and mutilation of women and young girls by extremists in Africa.

That gives you a sick thrill doesn’t it?

Brian:

OK Hot Shot.

Give me some evidence, not the talk of your senseless rambling accusations and assertions.

I am trained and experienced in dealing with and determining the validity of evidence. I have done it for over 30 years.

I have been in civil court 128 times and have been on the winning side 125. I knew the 3 lost were losers before going to court. Two were done on principle. I wanted to make a couple of men sweat. One was only a partial victory and should have never gone to court.

Your accusations in a United States court would go nowhere and you would be revealed as the nut case you are. I have seen it happen too many times.

I am trained and experienced in Apologetics. If you don't know what it means use a dictionary.

I have made firm stands regarding Christianity. As such, why are you so stupid to attempt to connect me with Neo-Nazism? Christianity is diametrically opposed to Neo-Nazism you reprobate. Are you so ignorant that you lack the least fragment of intelligence that such an assertion is the rambling of a fool?

Such paranoia is evidence that you are a man left to his own thoughts condemned to senseless rambling till the day you die.

I would like to know a couple of things.

Why do you not defend Israel and why have you never condemned the murder, rape, and mutilation of women and young girls by extremists in Africa?

There is a thing about manure. When a person sits in it long enough he or she gets so accustomed to it that there is no longer a sense of smell of manure. You have sat in manure so long you can not smell it, but most everyone else can. I certainly smell it.

Brian:

There is no avoidance of battle with Fundamental Islam. There are around 1.3 billion Muslims in the world. About 250 million of these fall in the Fundamental Jihadist camp. With unwavering conviction they are dedicated to the destruction of Western culture in its entirety.

Now I grant that the intelligence and interpretation of the evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was faulty and even somewhere in the Bush administration faulty. At some point there seemed to be misrepresentations at some level. Did Bush outright lie? I don’t think so. I do think that as with all endeavors of this sort there was evidence to the contrary that Iraq had WMDs. The problem was sifting through it.

This may be the worst or most fortunate thing that could have happened. The greatest evidence that there is some benefit to the United States is that there have been no attacks on United State soil or on its foreign interests including embassies since 9/11.

It is important to choose your battlefield in war. By that you have advantage.

Now let me pose a question. Is it better to fight the unavoidable war with Islamic extremist in the Middles East or is it better to fight it on United States soil? I suspect you would rather that it be on United States soil based on your logic.

to Mr. Ebbarn,

Your own words convict you, I don't need to add more, all of your fascism is evident throughout
all of your posts on all blogsites that you haunt.

To answer your rather idiotic last question, it is better not to fight them at all. Its better to create the America that for once lives up to the promise for all it's own citizens, become a caring, humane, and fair country, defeat corruption, and become an example to the world of the positive aspects of humanity. Provide a decent quality of life for all who live in her, and become something other countries would emulate. This would do far more to defeat extremism than your rather sociopathic and just as extremist approach of "kill 'em all, cause my interpretation of God said so"...

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Brian:

Your refusal to answer question is because you do not like the
answers.

What words have I wrote that convict me of what?

What standard do you use to label me as a fascist?

Why is being a devout Christian being a fascist, you hate monger?

You say "To answer your rather idiotic last question, it is better not to fight them at all."

Idiot: There is no choice. You know nothing of Jihadism.

That being the case the where is the best place to fight the Jihadist idiot?

You I said: "This would do far more to defeat extremism than your rather sociopathic and just as extremist approach of "kill 'em all, cause my interpretation of God said so"..."

Where did I say to “kill them all" butt head?

I didn't say that.

Pervert

Why have you not spoken out against the religious sect’s murders, rapes, and mutilation Christian women and girls in Africa?

Why not pervert?

Why don't you answer these questions?

I tell you why. It is because to answer them shows you to be stupid plus a liar.

A fool lacks sensible answers.

A liar is the scum of the manure pit.

Brian:

To correct typos.

Idiot: There is no choice. You know nothing of Jihadism.

That being the case then where is the best place to fight the Jihadist idiot?

You said I said: "This would do far more to defeat extremism than your rather sociopathic and just as extremist approach of "kill 'em all, cause my interpretation of God said so"..."

Where did I say to “kill them all" butt head?

Now let me ask you why you support the murder of Christians? Your hate-monging rhetoric is almost exactly why millions of Christians have been murdered and why they are being murdered by your friends today.

I can give you case and point if you wish. I will do something you won’t do because of your damnable lies.

To Mr. Ebbarn
Since you insist...

Like you, the Fascist movement in Italy was convinced that its' world view was the only correct one, and that they were best qualified to judge what was best for their society, democracy be damned.

Like Adolph Hitler you are only too ready to condemn a whole group of people as scapegoats for the ills of your country, and more than willing to carry out mass murder to achieve his goal of world domination. Your Muslims are his Jews...

Unlike you, I, and most of the world, including Muslims do not believe that some kind of war is inevitable, ("kill "em all) unless we allow people with your intolerance to dominate discussion. The vast majority of people of all religious stripes worldwide are even now engaged in discussions regarding how to eliminate, or at least diminish the effects of extremism, while you and your ilk seem to be only interested in continuing, even escalating conflict.

It has long been proven that poverty is the most fertile ground for extremism of all types, and that international corruption is one of the main causes of poverty. We are working to alleviate poverty, which will stop giving motivation to extremists, this is why I constantly cite corruption as our greatest problem.

You, on the other hand, seem to ignore and/or deny the existence of corruption, and frequently posit that it is some ethnic trait or religious deficiency of the people that causes the problem, this is the racism of the most ignorant and virulent kind

You at least began to admit, however begrudgingly, as you wrote,"Now I grant that the intelligence and interpretation of the evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was faulty and even somewhere in the Bush administration faulty. At some point there seemed to be misrepresentations at some level"

Knowing this, your line seems to be "as long as we're over there anyway, let's turn it into a religious war, and settle this problem for good"

If you admit that mistakes were made, then why not get out of Iraq, and account to the American people just who caused their sons and daughters to die? A crime has been committed here, that has resulted in the unnecessary death of countless innocents, as Bush said, "On my orders..." the buck stops where?

You quote Bible and say that Jesus was about divine love, and all the rest, then preach death and destruction to further your religious intolerance in the same postings, who is the real pervert?

As for condemnation of murder in Africa, only the insane would condone such. I am not insane, as you believe, I simply posit that before we comment on the mote in our neighbors eye, we should at least remove the stone from our own.

To Mr.Ebbarn
After the tsunami(you do know what that is, yes?)I was involved in the rebuilding of Aceh, the Indonesian province affected. I raised funds through concerts, and was on the ground helping distribute relief supplies. I also helped install computer networks to better coordinate efforts, and even layed brick for a new elementary school.

Aceh is known here as "little Mecca" because of the very conservative Islamic nature of the people. They know full well that I am not a Muslim, as I am rather well known throughout Indonesia for my work with top artists.

Everywhere I went, I was welcomed, invited to dine with people who were living in refugee tents, and barely had enough food for themselves. Never once did I even hear whispers of anti west, or anti Christianity. One question that was occasionally asked of me was "Why does Bush hate Muslims?" Notice that I did not say "why does America hate Muslims", or "why do Christians hate Muslims"...

The overwhelming majority of world Islam does not hate Americans, nor do they hate Christians, They do, however take righteous exception to pseudo-Christians like you calling them evil, and advocating war on them solely for the sake of their religion, and just like (maybe) you, they will die in defense of the religion of their choice.

To Mr. Ebbarn
But not passively...

to Mr.Ebbarn
As I posted on another site,the religious pimps of Islam, and the religious pimps of Christianity need the conflict as a means to solicit money from gullible followers. The religious pimps in Islam take hate speech from religious pimps of Christianity like you, and show it as proof of Christian hostility. You are, in fact, one of radicalism's best friends...

Brian:

I am not indicating all Muslims are involved in terror. About 20% of the Muslim religion falls into the Fundamental Jihadist camp. These 20% are so violent, even against other Muslims; there is a strong possibility of their dominating the Islamic political landscape. I personally am very certain they will dominate the Islamic political landscape.

There was the attack against the United States in the bombings in Beirut where United States soldiers died.

There are several attacks on United States embassies by Muslim extremists.

There was the first bombing of the World Trade center.

There was the bombing of the USS Cole.

There was the attempted assassination of the senior President Bush in Kuwait.

There was the flying of planes into the World Trade Center where 3,000 innocent people from around the world died.

All these attacks were unprovoked.

There have been no such attacks since the United States invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. The attacks have been against United States military, but more so other Muslims which are call “soft targets”.

“Soft target” attacks are the acts of evil cowards.

I know that 80% of the Muslim population is not directly involved, but they are largely passive not taking sides vehemently against the Jihadists. I also know the liberal and moderate Imams know the principle of Jihad whether they teach it to their followers of not. If they do not so know, then I would either question their ability as an Imam or simply conclude they are lying. From my perspective the more likely conclusion is they are lying.

I think the tsunami in Indonesia had a calming effect within the country. On some islands Christians were being killed or forced from their homes and the country under threat of death.

Now the following is just plain sick.

Before the tsunami three Christian school girls were decapitated and their bloodied heads dumped in nearby villages. Their names were Theresia Morangke and Yarni Sambue, both 15, and 17-year-old Alfita Poliwo. The murderers were linked to the al-Qaeda Jemaah Islamiah network and they left a handwritten note close to the bodies, vowing more killings to avenge the deaths of Muslims in earlier sectarian violence on Sulawesi Island. ‘Wanted – 100 more heads, Blood must be paid with blood, lives with lives, and heads with heads.’

A fourth girl in the attack, Noviana Malewa, then 15, received serious injuries to her face and neck, but survived. After the attack, Noviana suffered damaged nerves, a dislocated lower jaw and loosened teeth. VOMedical provided reconstructive surgery to repair nerve damage and reduce scarring.

This attack is the act of evil cowards.

Here is part of a news release on the sectarian violence in Sulawesi Island:

"Sectarian violence raises its ugly face"

by Bhimanto Suwastoyo (AFP, May 31, 2005)

Nathalia Timparosa, a survivor of Saturday's bomb blast, wipes her eyes during a funeral service for her mother Nggau Timparosa in Sulawesi island's Christian-dominated town of Tentena yesterday. Whether the work of shadowy Islamic extremists from outside the region or local agitators, a deadly bombing on Indonesia's Sulawesi will unravel months of painstaking effort to reconcile warring Christians and Muslims on the island, community leaders say.

Two bombs exploded minutes apart in a busy market place in the predominantly Christian town of Tentena early Saturday, killing 20 people and leaving more than 50 injured.”

I Googled the Sulawesi violence event, but the return was massive. I am assuming that there was some sort of “christian” atrocities or at least the Jihadists were claiming so, but if so they were not true Christians. They were fakes. I did not have time to go past the beginning of the first article.

On the aftermath of the tsunami most of the first responders were from Christian organizations. I think this also served to lessen the hate-monging toward the Christian community in Indonesia. Indonesia was desperate for aid and the aid from the Christian community was truly appreciated. I do not know how long that will last. The radical Islamic Imams can not be expected to permanently stop spreading their messages of hate.

I do want to commend you for you assistance in the assistance of the victims of the tsunami. I could not go. I have health complications that prevent such for right now. I did send significant money though. You see Brian, if I had hated these people I would not have sent assistance, nor would their plight have reduced me to tears several times. I know what death is more than most people. One of the most dominate events in my life was holding and comforting one of my friends as she bled on me dying with no hope.

Islam is not only a religious system. It is a political system dedicated to eventual world dominance. The Fundamental Islamic extremists normally dominate the political arena. That means the 80% that are passive are prone to be dominated by the 20% that are aggressive. There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world right now. That is already a lot of political clout and they are already exercising it where possible.

Like in Iraq, the extremists have exhibited unconcern for their wholesale murder of their own people. What kind of people are these to do such a thing, and it is all about political struggle. What if the United State pulls out? Will the Shiites seek to eliminated the Sunnis who they hate so much and out number? Will Saudi Arabia step in to defend the Sunnis has they have already indicated? Will Iran step in to defend the Shiites against a Sunni invasion? Will Syria join in to defend the Sunnis then? You see, the Islamists are their own worst enemy.

Hopefully the above scenario will not happen.

I have a job where I have to work. I am going to drop this discussion for right now except for one short blog.

Brian:

You wrote:

“As I posted on another site,the religious pimps of Islam, and the religious pimps of Christianity need the conflict as a means to solicit money from gullible followers. The religious pimps in Islam take hate speech from religious pimps of Christianity like you, and show it as proof of Christian hostility. You are, in fact, one of radicalism's best friends...”

Where is you empirical evidence that the Christian community needs this conflict to solicit money?

Where is you empirical evidence that the Islamic community needs this conflict to solicit money?

Quote my so-called hate speech. Please give day and time. Please give context.

Give a reason as to why I am “one of radicalism's best friends”. All you have is what I wrote to come to this conclusion. Please give day and time. Please give context.

What I am saying is give evidence, not continued senseless rambling.

Brian:

Are you using the tactics of the Islamic extremists in Iraq in your writings.

There are constant unwarranted and senseless attacks from all over for the purpose of simply overwhelming and wearing your opposition down on the assumption they will go away.

Oh Briany Boy:

I just got a question in my mind. This is related to your last post.

Do you agree that Muslims should murder Muslims or do you disagree that Muslims should murder Muslims?

To Mr ebbarn

You wrote,"I am not indicating all Muslims are involved in terror. About 20% of the Muslim religion falls into the Fundamental Jihadist camp"
Wrong, the numbers are more like 5%
there is a difference between conservative, even ultra conservative, and Jihad. Been eating too many Bushflakes for breakfast, methinks...

In Sulawesi, the violence that you assume is religious is, in fact none of the sort, the violence does happen, it does get quite nasty, but it is the usual Mafia-style bid to control a region rich in natural resources. Local politicioans as well as Australian and American corporations are also involved, each backing their guy. The "religious terrorism" label helps the warlords (who are also the politicians in Jakarta)and the international concerns divert attention from possible involvment, you and the wingnuts in the US buy it, cause it helps your agitprop. Been there, know better.

You ask, "Where is you empirical evidence that the Christian community needs this conflict to solicit money"
Pat Robertson, Billy Graham Jr. and reps from Oral Roberts all went on CNN during the agitprop for the murder campaign, claiming this was a war on Islam. You think they did it for free? They might be wingnuts, but they know opportunity when they see it, they have multi-megabuck mortgages to pay, ya know...

You write, "Give a reason as to why I am “one of radicalism's best friends”. All you have is what I wrote to come to this conclusion"
Yes, and all I have to do is hit "print" and I have hard copy to show to anyone I wish. If I can do it, the "radicals" can also, they know how to use the 'net as well as anyone, and yours is especially rich in calories.

You ask, "Do you agree that Muslims should murder Muslims or do you disagree that Muslims should murder Muslims?
Hello, knock knock anybody home? "Thou shalt not kill", Even though it happens, no one should murder anyone! Precisely my point, why are US soldiers continuing to do it in the name of the US, even though the reasons for going in in the first place were BS? We need to get out of there right now, and Bushco has to account for how misinformation allowed us to go kill and die needlessly. Staying longer and killing more Iraqis only worsens his crime, there is no "victory to be won, there was no "clear and present danger".

We've been over this time an again through this debate, c'mon, how about something original?

Brian:

The main issue on Islam is that it is evil because without a supernatural change in heart by the Lord God Jesus Christ the heart is capable of motivating the worst of atrocities.

There are those who call their selves Christians but are not because they have never experienced this supernatural change, and then they too are capable of the worst of atrocities.

The same goes for the rest of mankind. Without the supernatural change in heart by the Lord God Jesus Christ the heart is capable of motivating the worst of atrocities.

The supernatural change is wrought by the Holy Spirit, the third person of the God Head. The Apostle Paul explains in Galatians 5:19-26, “The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.

I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other." (New International Translation)

That is what I believe, I taught it to youth, I taught it specifically in my radio broadcasts, and in my newspaper column. My neighbors, community, and acquaintances across the United State know that of me.

Now there have been some misconceptions made. Because I live my life this way I am weak and can be run over. That has been proven far from the truth. Nowhere in the Christian Bible does it teach to be a door mat.

Now just let me know why that makes me a fascist or a crazy right wing fundamental or what ever else you claim I am?

I must have tried a dozen times to get you to voice your opposition to the murder, rape, and mutilation of women and young girls by Islamic Extremist. I have a hard time reconciling as to why it took you so long to answer you opposed it.

Now did you oppose it because you found it profoundly evil as most any human would have immediately done or did you oppose it because you found it taking a toll on what little credibility you have? I am going on the assumption that you found it profoundly evil as most any human would.

Christ teaches, “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.” (Matthew 15:19 New International Translation) This is the condition of all mankind of all history other than the Lord God Jesus Christ. Their heart is dark. For that reason such “will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

It should be understood that young children are not held accountable for their sin and their place in Heaven is secure until the age when they are responsible for their sins.

To Mr Ebbarn
There is an American company called Freeport in Indonesia, you should come see how they grab land, forcing the people out with help from the bribed local military, (it's cheaper than fair compensation)they even forced their victims to remove their deceased loved ones from graveyards in their search for gold. The tailings are dumped offshore, polluting the water and introducing mercury into the environment, poisoning the people left. If any of the locals object, they simply dissappeared, this has gone on for at least a couple of decades.

At one point about two years ago, the locals staged a mass protest against Freeports' corruption, In the west they were immediatly branded as "terrorists", and calls came from the wingnuts for Bush to pressure the Indonesian government to "deal with the terrorists"...

I helped to produce an on-location documentary on the subject from the victims' point of view, Indonesian TV played it, and it possibly helped save some lives. It at least put a little pressure on freeport to submit to investigations into its' practices. I don't expect much, Freeport has a lot of money, and Indonesian law is cheap. US News didn't want it, though, I guess the wingnuts didn't want to be caught pantsless...

My point here is just because you, or some other wingnuts say its terrorism doesn't mean its terrorism. This is another reason why your hate speech is dangerous, it helps cover up corruption. Big business loves you too...

To Mr Ebbar,
You write, "Now just let me know why that makes me a fascist or a crazy right wing fundamental or what ever else you claim I am?" You then answer your own question with "The main issue on Islam is that it is evil because without a supernatural change in heart by the Lord God Jesus Christ the heart is capable of motivating the worst of atrocities."
Still haven't figured it out, eh?

Briany Boy:

Regarding "Now just let me know why that makes me a fascist or a crazy right wing fundamental or what ever else you claim I am?"

Briany boy:

You only gave a small part of my answer.

It is common knowledge that a half truth is a whole lie.

Just let me ask you one thing. What remedy does Islam offer to all past, present, and future evil?

Christianity has an answer.

To Brian:
Okay, we will use 5%. I think we are just talking definition here. That is 65,000,000 Jihadists. Quite a force, isn’t it? They can really cause a lot of heartache, can’t they?

Regarding Christians I think that probably 10 to 20 percent are true Christians and the rest are Christian by name only. They have no more hope of Heaven than the Jihadist. It is just that their eternal torment might be less or may not be because of how many they deceived.

Regarding the three school girls beheaded and the one mutilated in Sulawesi, the murderers were caught. They are Islamic extremists and convicted as such. As usual, You avoided addressing the murder of three Christian school girls.

You avoided the following facts as you usually do and tried to divert the attention to other subjects:

“There was the attack against the United States in the bombings in Beirut where United States soldiers died.
There are several attacks on United States embassies by Muslim extremists.
There was the first bombing of the World Trade center.
There was the bombing of the USS Cole.
There was the attempted assassination of the senior President Bush in Kuwait.
There was the flying of planes into the World Trade Center where 3,000 innocent people from around the world died.
All these attacks were unprovoked”.
You are going to pretend these don’t exist as you usually do, aren’t you.

The violence in Sulawesi is religious related. I only gave a couple of examples. Also I believe a lot of what you claim is truth, but the primary violent conflict was religious aimed at cleansing the islands of Christianity. That conflict has substantially reduced to the massive help of Christians and their organizations related to aid and physical comfort to the Indonesians subsequent to the Tsunami.

I can overload you with atrocities directly associated with Islamic extremists in Indonesia. Do you want me to do that. Again I see no mention of the beheading of the three Christian school girls as far as some sort of horror that happened. You are really calloused, aren’t you?

I do agree with this much as you wrote: A “Mafia-style bid to control a region rich in natural resources. Local politicians as well as Australian and American corporations are also involved, each backing their guy.”

Regarding Pat Robertson and the Oral Roberts people, they are apostate and nut cases. They are also money grabbing cons.

Bill Graham JR. is solid though. He is not in it for the money. He has a massive fund raising organization and it is not built on slander of Islam. If he said Islam is evil and the murder, rape and mutilation of women and little girls by Islamic extremists is evil, then he is correct. The same evil resides in the common man or woman walking down a busy city side walk anywhere in the world. If their heart has not been changed by the Holy Spirit, then the same “seed” of evil rest there as is in the Islamic extremist

You danced around the issues again.

You write, "Give a reason as to why I am “one of radicalism's best friends”. All you have is what I wrote to come to this conclusion"
Yes, and all I have to do is hit "print" and I have hard copy to show to anyone I wish. If I can do it, the "radicals" can also, they know how to use the 'net as well as anyone, and yours is especially rich in calories.
There is an old country saying “put up or shut up”. Just do a copy and paste, and reference day and time. If you have this written evidence then post it and comment on it. Try to destroy my credibility with evidence.

I dare you. I even double dog dare you.

You wrote:
“You ask, "Do you agree that Muslims should murder Muslims or do you disagree that Muslims should murder Muslims?
Hello, knock knock anybody home? "Thou shalt not kill", Even though it happens, no one should murder anyone! Precisely my point, why are US soldiers continuing to do it in the name of the US, even though the reasons for going in in the first place were BS? We need to get out of there right now, and Bushco has to account for how misinformation allowed us to go kill and die needlessly. Staying longer and killing more Iraqis only worsens his crime, there is no "victory to be won, there was no "clear and present danger".

The Scripture that is commonly translated “Thou Shalt Not Kill” is literally “You Shall not murder.” There is a difference. So what you are saying is that the United States military are murders in the name of the United States. They are killing murders. These murderers kill tens of thousands of Iraqis and I think it may be in the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. .

I have seen pictures of what the suicide bombers accomplish against other Muslims. You have men, women, and children’s bodies torn apart in pieces scattered about the bomb site. What little is intact on the bodies are twisted and torn to the point a person hardly can see that they were one time a living human if it were not for tattered pieces of clothing around.

Now these attacks are by Muslim suicide bombers. The bombers bodies are usually the easiest to identify. Now let me ask you if these bombers are murders of their own people? They are the direct source of the violence and they do no have orders from United States military. They have orders and training from Muslim extremists.

Now let me ask you if these bombers are murders of their own people?

You wrote:
“We've been over this time an again through this debate, c'mon, how about something original?”
I say we can do that when we start to get truthful and realist answers from you.

To Mr Ebbarn
The whole answer is on the same page, didn't think I needed to copy the whole thing.
But it doesn't matter, your entire post still illustrates my point perfectly.

Briany boy:

Sorry typo:

The Scripture that is commonly translated “Thou Shalt Not Kill” is literally “You Shall not murder.” There is a difference. So what you are saying is that the United States military are murderers in the name of the United States. The United States military are killing murderers. These murderers kill tens of thousands of Iraqis and I think it may be in the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

Why do you hate the general population of Iraq that desires peace? You do you not speak out against the Jihadist that are murdering a massive number of Iraqi citizens that voted in a democracy? What do you have against democracy? Are you a Socialist, Monarchist, of Communist?

Briany Boy:

Here is my answer that you would not post in its entirety, but rather did a pick and choose to quite simply lie:

The main issue on Islam is that it is evil because without a supernatural change in heart by the Lord God Jesus Christ the heart is capable of motivating the worst of atrocities.
There are those who call their selves Christians but are not because they have never experienced this supernatural change, and then they too are capable of the worst of atrocities.
The same goes for the rest of mankind. Without the supernatural change in heart by the Lord God Jesus Christ the heart is capable of motivating the worst of atrocities.
The supernatural change is wrought by the Holy Spirit, the third person of the God Head. The Apostle Paul explains in Galatians 5:19-26, “The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.
I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other." (New International Translation)
That is what I believe, I taught it to youth, I taught it specifically in my radio broadcasts, and in my newspaper column. My neighbors, community, and acquaintances across the United State know that of me.
Now there have been some misconceptions made. Because I live my life this way I am weak and can be run over. That has been proven far from the truth. Nowhere in the Christian Bible does it teach to be a door mat.

To Mr. ebbarn
Again, you write, "The Scripture that is commonly translated “Thou Shalt Not Kill” is literally “You Shall not murder.”Interpretation, still in the dark, eh?
"Thou shall not kill," means "Thou shall not kill" no interpretaion needed, unless you still want to twist it to justify killing those who you don't like...

To Mr Ebbarn
Thank you for posting your entire post again. I read it a second time, and it is still fascist.

You wrote earlier,"Bill Graham JR. is solid though. He is not in it for the money. He has a massive fund raising organization and it is not built on slander of Islam. If he said Islam is evil and the murder, rape and mutilation of women and little girls by Islamic extremists is evil"
No, he did not say anything about murder rape, mutilation, he just said that that are about to embark on a war against Islam, because it was an evil religion, period. He is just as fascist as you, but maybe more dangerous because of his father's political connections.

Brian:

You are correct regarding a lot of problems related to Freeport. I have some knowledge going back a couple of years related to environmental concerns. I know nothing and found nothing related to stealing gold from grave yards. It would be unsubstantial and why risk the bad publicity related to a company that at least awhile back and probably is still gutting the environment resulting in bad press.

My concern is why does the Indonesian government not only allow that but also the tragic depletion of its rain forests. Why does the world allow it?

Maybe the United States should invade. (Just kidding)

Here is a copy and paste of a segment of a new article that may explain something about terrorist complaints whether founded or unfounded.

The complex story of Freeport
Denise Leith, The Politics of Power: Freeport in Suharto’s Indonesia, University of Hawai’i Press, Honolulu, 2003
David Tonkin
In late June 2004, the US government officially charged a West Papuan rebel leader for his role in the killing of two American and one Indonesian teacher in the remote highlands of the province in August 2002. The teachers worked at a school for the children of mining giant Freeport Indonesia employees, and were returning from a picnic at the time.
A preliminary Indonesian police investigation found a ‘strong possibility’ that the shooting was carried out by the Indonesian military. A subsequent investigation by the US State Department appeared to support this view.

Briany boy:

Islam teaches that I as well as all others who are not Islam are infidels worthy of nothing less than eternal torment in Hell unless we forsake our religion or non-religion and convert to Islam.

Of course we would have to get in the line. I think I can get by the line if I became a suicide bomber and killed many Israelis or innocent Iraqis. Boy, those 70 virgins that Ben Laden has promised would really be nice, but then I would have to embrace the fact that I would have to become an eternal sexual pervert.

By your definition of fascism, the Muslims are also fascists. Why would you slander devout Muslims and call them fascist? If you love these people so much then why would you spread such a terrible lie?

Brian:

You are out of your league. I just have to do other stuff than sit on my dead hind end all day and night and blog.

I am looking at cleaning up 145 acres here if my health will allow me. I have constant chronic pain.

Brian:

I have found out something I find totally disturbing related to theft.

It may be that Bin Laden shortchanged his suicide attackers on the World Trade Center. He promised them 70 virgins. Also did Hamas activist Muhammad Abu Wardeh, who recruited terrorists for suicide bombings in Israel. Abu Wardeh would say to the prospective suicide bomber in his own words as follows:

"I described to him how God would compensate the martyr for sacrificing his life for his land. If you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins, 70 wives and everlasting happiness."

Bin Laden and Wardeh both were in fact shortchanging their recruits since the rewards in Paradise for martyrs is 72 virgins.

Maybe Bin Laden and Wadeh were stealing a couple for each self each time a suicide attacker accomplished his mission.

To Mr. Ebbarn
You wrote, "My concern is why does the Indonesian government not only allow that but also the tragic depletion of its rain forests. Why does the world allow it?"
This comes to my point again, the government, as are all governments, is corrupt, we are the ones importing the cheap wood, taken with slave labor. In Freeport's case, the Indo government is bribed by American concerns to look the other way while Freeport proceeds to commit atrocities. In our documentary, we filmed a man who was forced to dig up the remains of his late wife, father, and whoever else he could find of his family, and hand-carry the remains away, so that freeport could expand one of the many open-pit mines. In tears and with cries of pain and anger, this man would probably touch all sane hearts except for the wingnuts, who instead probably salivate over the prospect of more gold. This man, by name, was one of the so-called "terrorists" that Bushco was pressuring the Indonesian government about. We have, in fact, already "invaded"...

The three Sulawesi children were victims of a turf war between two group of people fighting over an area slated for mineral extraction and development, one group is unofficially backed by certain high ranking Indonesian government officials, with help and assistance from Australian and US money, the other by the local mafia, backed by money from neighboring countries. They cloak their identities and motives by claiming to struggle for their religions, and the western press loves this angle, Christian vs. Muslim. However, everyone in Indonesia and surrounding countries knows the real story. The problem is made worse because westerners love the religious struggle angle, they use it to further their own agendas, again, been there, seen that.

You wrote, "Bin Laden and Wardeh both were in fact shortchanging their recruits since the rewards in Paradise for martyrs is 72 virgins."
This is just another example of how "pie-in-the-sky-by-and-by" rhetoric is used by both sides to make poor suckers accept their current situation. What use would dead hijackers have for virgins from Bin Laden, whose family, incidently, is partners with Bushco in several businesses under the Carlysle group of companies, maybe this is why they still can't "find" him.

You wrote, "By your definition of fascism, the Muslims are also fascists"
Ahh, the beginnings of understanding, you are learning, grasshopper... Anyone who preaches "my way is the only way" regarding any socio-economic structure is.

The difference between you and I is that I have met and made friends with a few million more Muslims than you have, clerics, teachers, and everyday working stiffs, and the vast majority also don't subscribe to the hard line of the extremists, in fact, I only know personally one or two, and even the hardliners don't ask me to convert, or consign me to some "hell" for my nonconversion, rather they insist on resisting attempts by Christians to convert them.

As for your reference to Denise Lieth, she either doesn't know, or purposely ignores that the US government and Freeport bribe the Indonesian military to protect Freeport, and its facilities. The killing was a set up attempt to create another "terrorist" (the rebel leader), then justify whosale extermination of the locals who resist Freeport. This is Bushco for you...

You, the western press, and Hollywood have a bad habit of calling thugs, rapists, and gangsters "Muslim terrorists," this is the same as calling Al Capone Lucky Luciano, and John Gotti "Catholic terrorists". The vast Islamic majority of Indonesia state through their most revered leaders clearly and repeatedly that terrorism is not Islamic, but this you don't wish to hear, instead condemning an entire religion for the actions of a few Islamic versions of Pat Robertson. They also have their wingnuts, and you both work together, knowingly or not, to achieve the same goal, to further religious conflict.

Brian:

You wrote

“This comes to my point again, the government, as are all governments, is corrupt, we are the ones importing the cheap wood, taken with slave labor. In Freeport's case, the Indo government is bribed by American concerns to look the other way while Freeport proceeds to commit atrocities. In our documentary, we filmed a man who was forced to dig up the remains of his late wife, father, and whoever else he could find of his family, and hand-carry the remains away, so that freeport could expand one of the many open-pit mines. In tears and with cries of pain and anger, this man would probably touch all sane hearts except for the wingnuts, who instead probably salivate over the prospect of more gold. This man, by name, was one of the so-called "terrorists" that Bushco was pressuring the Indonesian government about. We have, in fact, already "invaded"...”

You are saying that the United States has invaded Indonesia. That is so asinine that unless you push it I am not even going to address it. If all your ideas were followed the world would be pushed into the Dark Ages.

What empirical evidence do you have that President Bush is a corporate leader related to Freeport or the corporations depleting the natural resources of Indonesia? You keep using Bushco. That seems to mean Bush and Company. Plans such as that of Freeport and the depletion of the other natural resource takes many years to develop and significantly preceded President Bush and corporate law regulating such activities are Indonesian law. Jump the Indonesian government. Better yet, since you are personal friends with several million Muslims, protest in the capital of Indonesia. (Trust me. No one will hurt you.) In any form President Bush has not promoting the gutting of Indonesia.

You wrote:
“What use would dead hijackers have for virgins from Bin Laden, whose family, incidently, is partners with Bushco in several businesses under the Carlysle group of companies, maybe this is why they still can't "find" him. “
Are you just plain nuts or a pathological liar?
Are you saying then that Islamic teaching is heresy?
Islam specifically teaches the eternal afterlife either in Heaven or Hell. Are you stupid of Islam, just a Jihadist trying to cover for them, or is Islam stupid? The 72 virgins for martyrs is a promise of Islamic teaching.
Are you saying the Imams are wholesale liars?

Bush has no connection to Bin Laden and is not hindering his capture; idiot. Just how low and stupid can you get?

You wrote:
You wrote, "By your definition of fascism, the Muslims are also fascists"
Ahh, the beginnings of understanding, you are learning, grasshopper... Anyone who preaches "my way is the only way" regarding any socio-economic structure is.”
So what you are saying is that the 1.3 billion Muslims are fascists as well as the so called billion plus Christians. Why don’t you write an article on that or produce a movie on that subject. Please put your name in big credits on your movies that claim Islam or any sect of Islam is fascist, if you are not what we call a weenie in the United States. Tell the Muslims where you live of course. They have a history of dealing with things of this sort. (They are such peaceful good souls.) If you slander Muslims as being fascist, then the definition fits Buddhists, Hindus, and all the world religions. You are saying they are all fascists.

Only the unreligious are right. Just what are you? Are you religious or non-religious? Do you think you are right? If you think you are right then your way is the only way regardless of your position. You are a fascist by your own definition. You don’t think you are wrong do you? If you think you are wrong, then being wrong is the only way. You are still a fascist. You are a very confused man.
Do you think that there are many ways then? If that be the case is the only way is many ways. Do you know just how stupid that is? It is an impossibility for the only way to be many ways. It is called a self refuting statement.

As far as converting you, have you ever considered the possibility they don’t want you. They hate you and that according to their belief system you are worthy only of death and hell. They teach their way is the only way. They firmly teach an eternal afterlife in heaven or hell with no in between. Apparently, by not trying to convert you, you are saying they are a lazy bunch with no religious integrity. Why try to convert Brian? We believe in hell and just let him burn. Also we will make sure to keep the Christians from converting him. They teach Hell also. We had better hedge our bet and make sure Brian burns in hell.

Boy Brian; you must really get around. You wrote: “The difference between you and I is that I have met and made friends with a few million more Muslims than you have”.
That means you have met more people and made friends than any other person who has ever lived. Let me just ask a question here. I am in no way that popular. What you are saying is that you are either several hundred years old in your meeting and making friends of Muslims or you have, let just say in 40 years you met and made friends with 2,000,000 Muslims; then if you never slept in 40 years you have met and made friends specifically with a Muslim every 1 and ½ minutes. (Several million is at least 2,000,000.) So you under your clothes you have a suit that has a big S meaning Superman or does it just mean Stupidman?

Now this is what is really stupid. Let me quote you. You say:
“Anyone who preaches "my way is the only way" regarding any socio-economic structure is (fascist).”
I can only quote Christ who says, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father but by Me.” So you are slandering the Lord God Jesus Christ. That means Christ is a liar and a fascist as well as the Muslim Imams who teach their way is the only way. Of course, what you are saying is your way is the only way putting yourself above all the teachers of the world religions for all ages. I would be very humbled in your holy presence.

Okay, You contradict Denise Lieth’s article. From what I am seeing is that there may be a hundred of articles on this. They all say basically the same. I am not going to post them all. I am just going to post part of the next one. Here it is:
“Subject: AT: Papua Puppetry Leaves Murders Unsolved [+Freeport Inquiry]
also: Payments by Freeport McMoRan Prompt U.S. Inquiry
Asia Times Thursday, January 19, 2006
Papua Puppetry Leaves Murders Unsolved
By Gary LaMoshi
DENPASAR, Bali - The United States and Indonesia have gotten their man in the ambush killings of two Americans in Papua three years ago. The arrest of Antonius Wamang, an alleged separatist military commander, is supposed to quell speculation that the Indonesian military was behind the shootings. But in this intercontinental production of wayang kulit - Indonesian shadow puppetry
Wamang has admitted firing shots in the August 31, 2002, attack near Timika on a road to Freeport-McMoRan's vast Grasberg mining complex in otherwise remote Papua (see Indonesia's gold standard, Asia Times Online, September 7, 2002). His lawyer says Wamang told police and others he chose the site after receiving information that Indonesian troops would be there, and he intended to attack them.


Instead, he attacked a van full of teachers and other Grasberg employees returning from a picnic. Three people were killed - an Indonesia teacher and two Americans, school principal Edwin Burgon and teacher Ricky Lynn Spier - and 11 others wounded. Wamang was indicted for murder in the US in June 2004 but eluded security forces and a US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) team until last week, though Australian television managed to interview him three months after the indictment.”

I know, the almighty- all knowing Brian says this is false also. (DUH, What am I thinking?)

Now let’s get back to the three beheaded Christian school girls. I still think you are a sick pervert or you would not dance around these issues.
You wrote:
“The three Sulawesi children were victims of a turf war between two group of people fighting over an area slated for mineral extraction and development, one group is unofficially backed by certain high ranking Indonesian government officials, with help and assistance from Australian and US money, the other by the local mafia, backed by money from neighboring countries. They cloak their identities and motives by claiming to struggle for their religions, and the western press loves this angle, Christian vs. Muslim. However, everyone in Indonesia and surrounding countries knows the real story. The problem is made worse because westerners love the religious struggle angle, they use it to further their own agendas, again, been there, seen that.”

There are probably a hundred articles that say basically the same thing. Of course they don’t fit in your vast conspiracy paranoia. Here is part of one:

“Beheaded girls were Ramadan 'trophies'
• Stephen Fitzpatrick, Jakarta correspondent
• November 09, 2006
THREE Christian high school girls were beheaded as a Ramadan "trophy" by Indonesian militants who conceived the idea after a visit to Philippines jihadists, a court heard yesterday.
The girls' severed heads were dumped in plastic bags in their village in Indonesia's strife-torn Central Sulawesi province, along with a handwritten note threatening more such attacks.
The note read: "Wanted: 100 more Christian heads, teenaged or adult, male or female; blood shall be answered with blood, soul with soul, head with head."
Javanese trader Hasanuddin appeared in Jakarta Central Court yesterday charged with planning and directing the murders in October last year. He faces a death sentence if found guilty under anti-terrorism legislation.
Hasanuddin allegedly returned from a visit to members of Philippines Islamist group the Moro Islamic Liberation Front with tales of how that organisation regularly staged bombings to coincide with Lebaran, the festival that ends the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. He later spoke with a preacher in Poso, Central Sulawesi, about whether such a plan could work in Indonesia, but expressed doubt about whether it was appropriate.
However, after further discussion with friends, he decided that beheading Christians could qualify as an act of Muslim charity.”

To Mr Ebbarn
The hundreds of articles you refer to can be lumped together with the TV media coverage of the events, all presenting a slanted view from people who, at best pay a short visit to the general areas with preconceived ideas, take a few photos, talk to a couple politicians, then go home where they can "fill in the blanks" to fit the agitprop of their employers.

Freeport did indeed start their treachery before Bush became president, Bushco, like Clinton before him, and Bushco SR before Clinton, used the power of their office to aid and abet Freeport, exerting pressure through the US Embassy in JKT. Guess who the ambassador to Indonesia was during the latter eighties and early nineties? Paul Wolfowitz. Great move that, sending a Jewish, staunchly pro Israel hawk as ambassador to a country of 260 million people, 85% Muslim.
I hope you aren't so naive as to think that those corrupt presidents would help Freeport for free?

You quote,"The arrest of Antonius Wamang, an alleged separatist military commander, is supposed to quell speculation that the Indonesian military was behind the shootings. But in this intercontinental production of wayang kulit - Indonesian shadow puppetry
Wamang has admitted firing shots in the August 31, 2002, attack near Timika on a road to Freeport-McMoRan's vast Grasberg mining complex in otherwise remote Papua (see Indonesia's gold standard, Asia Times Online, September 7, 2002). His lawyer says Wamang told police and others he chose the site after receiving information that Indonesian troops would be there, and he intended to attack them."
Antonius is a name given here by Christians to their children, you would be very hard pressed to find a Muslim named Antonius here, not impossible, but also not very likely at all...

Wayang Kulit is a puppet show that illustrates the Ramayana, the tale of Arjuna, an Indian deity, his family, and their history of struggle against their rivals the Pandawas. Wayang puppet shows are also used for humorous editorial purposes. The reference to International Wayang kulit is an acknowledgement by the author of the article that this is indeed about international intrigue, that most of the players are "puppets" for others...

The military protect Freeport, doing the "dirty work" Freeport tells it to do. The military even ride around in Freeport-marked vans, trucks and unmarked cars, the cars being "gifts" to the higher ups in the military. Bottom line, it is not a religious attack, as you seem bent on believing...

You quote,"“Beheaded girls were Ramadan 'trophies'
• Stephen Fitzpatrick, Jakarta correspondent
• November 09, 2006
I don't think I need to copy the whole thing, I reference your posting, but here is a bit of info you missed, probably because the west skipped this one also...

The grisly murders you refer to are two-fer responses for the earlier beheadings of some fifty people who just so happen to be Muslims, who refused to vacate land that was being taken by the local governor, who is also claims Islam, to build a palm-oil plantation. Their compensation for giving up their ancestral homes? US$250.00 per family. They refused, so they were slaughtered. the fact that they just so happened to be Muslim meant that, first, any "Islamic Ebbarns" in the woodworks would have fuel to call for revenge, and two, that it wouldn't be covered by the western media, and three, the real story would be effectively buried. Again, it was made out to be a religious struggle, when it was nothing more than a rather nasty land grab. The Muslims also have their Ebbarns, who prefer to use misinformation as long as it agrees with their point.
Mr Hasannuddin and two others have been executed for terrorist activities, the people behind the palm-oil land grab are sitting back, enjoying the good life...

You wrote, "Hasanuddin allegedly returned ", but the word "allegedly" just skips right by you, you treat it as fact.

Again, my point, Mr Ebbarn, is that one man's "terrorist" is another man's "freedom fighter" (remember that one from Reagan...), this is no religious struggle, this is simply propaganda used to mask even more sinister doings, people world wide are starting to stand up against colonialism in its' many forms, false labels and fear mongering by the perpetrators and their supporters turns it into what seems as religious strife, and calling the resisters "terrorists" gives corrupt governments, including the US, carte blanche to murder anyone in their way.
And you just keep on helping them...

Brian:

To you and the 2,000,000 personal friends you have met and know.(DUH)

Why did you not address fascism, and the "one way" premise?

You premise makes Christ and Mohammed fascists. Even you are a fascist. Now the reason you said nothing is because you got nailed in your stupidity and lies as you have others.

I have already run down some of the unevidenced assertions you made in the post you just made. You really are not very intelligent. You do not know how to research. You ignore irrefutable evidence.

Regarding the other issues I think you need to produce evidence.

You produce nothing other than your rambling nonsense on the assumption that you think just because you blog something means everyone should believe you.

Your postings have been substantially nothing but lies or stupidity.

You try to make yourself seem real important. I told what you wrote to my 89 year old mother and she really had a good laugh.

Now the following is an example of your lies and stupidity claim:

Boy Brian; you must really get around. You wrote: “The difference between you and I is that I have met and made friends with a few million more Muslims than you have”.
That means you have met more people and made friends than any other person who has ever lived. Let me just ask a question here. I am in no way that popular. What you are saying is that you are either several hundred years old in your meeting and making friends of Muslims or you have, let just say in 40 years you met and made friends with 2,000,000 Muslims; then if you never slept in 40 years you have met and made friends specifically with a Muslim every 1 and ½ minutes. (Several million is at least 2,000,000.) So you under your clothes you have a suit that has a big S meaning Superman or does it just mean Stupidman?

Now it is clear that you have a very high opinion of your importance, but it is your opinion only. Try a little sense and truth for awhile. If you did you would find you have nothing to blog.

to Mr ebbarn
You wonder, "That means you have met more people and made friends than any other person who has ever lived. Let me just ask a question here. I am in no way that popular. What you are saying is that you are either several hundred years old in your meeting and makin